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Re: engines

Allan Farr
 

Just wondering, I've got one in my Titan Tornado and like it. As you say - probably best just to use an O200.

P.S. That Bearcoupe looks like a mean machine;)


Re: engines

Robert Bounds
 

Hmmm.  I’ve never heard of one.  It would seem to be an ideal engine in a Q2.  I drive a Vari-eze and I’ve never seen one in one of those either.  I suspect that the price might have a lot to do with it.  The 0-200 works so darn well in the Q-200 and is cheaper than the Rotax that I can’t see a reason to change.  If you’ve got the bucks, maybe you could be the first with a Rotax.  You might consider a Jabiru or a UL engine also if you’re buying new.  There’s a guy in the UK flying a Long-eze with a small diesel that would be interesting.  So many choices now but if you have a Q-200, I’d go with the 0-200.  The installation is a known process and is a proven success.
 
R Bounds
tech counselor
serial builder
Q-1
Vari-eze
Bearcoupe (my latest, big ole sled, search “Bearcoupe” on youtube if ya wanna see it)
 

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Subject: [Q-LIST] engines
 
 

Hi. Are there any Q2/200's with the Rotax 912? Would one work?


engines

Allan Farr
 

Hi. Are there any Q2/200's with the Rotax 912? Would one work?


Re: Oil consumption

Jerry Marstall
 

I have 320 hrs on new ECI cylinders and having the same experience that Lynn is having.  Very satisfied with them.
Jerry

On 12/20/2013 11:02 PM, N142LF wrote:
 
When I got my engine it had chrome cylinders that never really broke in right. So after several hundred hours I broke down and put on ECI cylinder and piston assemblies ( of course I had to mess with compression, EFI, ignition, ect. as well ). When the ECI's were broke in I very seldom add oil between oil changes. I will let others pipe up, but there are some on the list with that same or better performance. Some would say oil consumption is good, but I always thought it was a hassle. 
LJ 

Short & simple from my mobile 

On Dec 20, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Ok, got me curious.  New cyl or new engine?
Thanks & Merry Christmas!

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 20, 2013 4:44 PM, "N142LF" <n142lf@...> wrote:
 
But if you do upgrade, there are options that give you 20+ hours per quart. Still may not be worth it unless you are doing it for other reasons, but that is the route a few of us have gone. 
L J French

Short & simple from my mobile 

On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the input.  So my better than average engine has slowly degraded over the years to average!  I will do the compression test and borescope soon.  Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!


Mike Dwyer 
Q200 N3QP


My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:
 

I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption is 1/3 qt per hr




Re: Digest Number 5066

Paul Poulsen
 

Hi ! Sorry about the no text l am still trying to get the creating a new
topic thing to work. Q2, RevMaster 2100 I need to get a prop for it and I
was hoping that you may have some suggestions on diameter, pitch and
material.
Thank you for advice in advance
Paul

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Hi Mike,
It sounds like rings, are you blowing any/much smoke (blue/grey) on start
up or acceleration?
You could try pulling the plugs and check them for carbon build up with any
oily look and feel. If one or more are coated in soot and oily crap then
confirm with a leakdown check and or borescope test. Clean the spark plugs
with fuel and a wire brush being careful not to beat up the porcelain
around the electrode or grit blaster if you have access to one. Reset the
gap as per the AC65-12A (if you need the procedure let me know) and
manufacturers (Gap) recommendations, refit and Bob's your Auntie.

How is your oil temperature and pressure?I worked on OI-360s for a couple
of years when the big end bearings and piston skirts were having arguments
with the engine and walking out in mid flight. A few of the aircrew came in
very pale and US'd the aircraft for oil pressure fluctuations

When was the last time that you had the oil checked for metal fragments? If
your cylinder pressures and plugs are ok, Change the oil and filter and
have an oil sample and the filter element checked for metal (coppery
fragments in the oil are not a happy sign.

I hope that it is just something simple,

All the best
Paul
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:01 am (PST) . Posted by: dancharnews <danchar18@...?subject=Re%3A%20Oil%20consumption>
According to my 0-200 manual that is about normal. That is what my Cessna
150 has been doing for ever.

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I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption
is 1/3 qt per hr

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:33 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Mike Dwyer" planedude_99 <q2pilot@...?subject=Re%3A%20Oil%20consumption>
Thank you all for the input. So my better than average engine has slowly
degraded over the years to average! I will do the compression test and
borescope soon. Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are
like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!

Mike Dwyer
Q200 N3QP

My YouTube channel:
http://goo.gl/ddljYZ<http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLfVhmCxFkbRukD
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My Vimeo: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG <https://vimeo.com/user418576/videos>
My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:



I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption
is 1/3 qt per hr


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:40 am (PST) . Posted by: "Sam Hoskins" SammyQ2 <sam.hoskins@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If
it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:



FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass
prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/
On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm
not building this thing outside.

Sam


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:52 am (PST) . Posted by: "Mike Dwyer" planedude_99 <q2pilot@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
I tried sheets of peel ply and it was very tough to pull off. I'd stick to
the 2" widths.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/
On Dec 20, 2013 7:40 AM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If
it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional
weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:



FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass
prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/
On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:



The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm
not building this thing outside.

Sam


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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:09 am (PST) . Posted by: "dkeats" dkeats2000 <dkeats@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Sam------------ When I do my building, I find it better to peel ply the
entire wing when I am finished. You can still get any excess epoxy out and
it is so much easier to do the final finish. I use cheap aircraft fabric I
buy from ACS. Keep up the good work. The world is watching.---------
Canada Chris

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:37 am (PST) . Posted by: "Me" a1pilotdude <oldjagman@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Um..... Additional weight??

As the name imply's , the added layer, gets peeled off, along with excess
epoxy, therefore reducing weight
of the laid up item.

Charlie
(in Texas)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:40, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If it
pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional
weight was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...>
wrote:

FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior
to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm
not building this thing outside.

Sam
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:27 am (PST) . Posted by: quickieaircraft <quickieaircraft@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Peel ply can leave a resin rich surface, hence higher weight. UW and
Boeing did some work on peel ply, see illustration on page 9 of
http://depts.washington.edu/amtas/publications/presentations/
Phariss_SAMPE_11-05.pdf


For good bonding and low weight, we want the blue fracture line and not
the red. My understanding is that this fracture line is controlled by
chemical compatibility (btwn peel ply and resin) and also by working
temperature. Low temps can cause high viscocity, which can cause problems
with wicking out. I suspect that a hair dryer and some light pressure with
a squeegee should be able to reduce this resin-rich layer to an
insignificant thickness for weight purposes.


I have had a similar experience to Mike Dwyer with large sheets of peel
ply.


Emron
Try Q200 15hrs
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:11 am (PST) . Posted by: "Frisbee, Robert P"
firefaxx <robert.p.frisbee@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
There is a little extra weight using peel ply. On a big aircraft like a
Cozy it can equal several pounds if you peel ply the whole aircraft, on a Q
it would probably be pretty small.

Robert Frisbee

Overall NFC Validation & Quality Lead

Intel Corporation

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Me
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:38 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Cc: Quickie List
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Canard update

Um..... Additional weight??

As the name imply's , the added layer, gets peeled off, along with excess
epoxy, therefore reducing weight

of the laid up item.

Charlie

(in Texas)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:40, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If it
pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior
to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm not
building this thing outside.

Sam

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:19 am (PST) . Posted by: "Frisbee, Robert P"
firefaxx <robert.p.frisbee@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
One thing I am using for peel ply is Dacron purchased at Fabric Depot. You
can get a whole bolt of it for something like $.93 a yard. Also Dacron
comes in several different Weave thicknesses so you can choose a silky
finish, or a rough finish by the type of Dacron you use. When purchasing
the Dacron, make sure it is "Untreated". I picked up 20 yards of
untreated Dacron for $10 during a sale. The only problem I have had is
when purchased as a bolt, there is a fold line which can cause problems
with
a large layup. I end up cutting the fold line out. Also, I have found
the finer the weave the easier it is to pull off the peel ply which makes
doing large finished parts like fuselage or wings much easier.

Robert Frisbee

Overall NFC Validation & Quality Lead

Intel Corporation

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Canard update

I tried sheets of peel ply and it was very tough to pull off. I'd stick to
the 2" widths.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 20, 2013 7:40 AM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup. A friend donated a
bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now. If it
pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight
was insignificant.. Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

FYI. I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will
attach to the fuselage. This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior
to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

The latest. The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend. Good thing I'm not
building this thing outside.

Sam

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:42 am (PST) . Posted by: "Me" a1pilotdude <oldjagman@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Thank you Emron,
For clearing this up.

I have used Peel ply in fabricating a boat hull, over a male mold.
However, IT WAS ALWAYS IN 80 + degree temps.
so, I never has issues with the viscosity.
And the resin rich surfaces were not an issue either.

Very interesting research project. I didn't know that there even was one.
I stand edjumacated, now... :-o

Thanks again

Charlie
(In Texas)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:27, <quickieaircraft@...> wrote:

Peel ply can leave a resin rich surface, hence higher weight. UW and
Boeing did some work on peel ply, see illustration on page 9 of
http://depts.washington.edu/amtas/publications/presentations/
Phariss_SAMPE_11-05.pdf



For good bonding and low weight, we want the blue fracture line and not
the red. My understanding is that this fracture line is controlled by
chemical compatibility (btwn peel ply and resin) and also by working
temperature. Low temps can cause high viscocity, which can cause problems
with wicking out. I suspect that a hair dryer and some light pressure with
a squeegee should be able to reduce this resin-rich layer to an
insignificant thickness for weight purposes.



I have had a similar experience to Mike Dwyer with large sheets of peel
ply.



Emron

Try Q200 15hrs

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Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:46 am (PST) . Posted by: "Jay Scheevel"
jay_scheevel <jay@...?subject=Re%3A%20Canard%20update>
Looking good Sam. Keep up the pace! We are all pulling for you out here in
freeze-ville. Average temp for December so far has been 13 degrees F.

Cheers,

Jay

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Re: Prop for a Q2 with a revmaster 2100 engine

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Paul
The Cowley prop that came with the original kits is a good way to start. My 2100 powered Q2 climed out at 5-600 fpm, at 100 mph. I can't remember the pitch and length though. 
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tablet



-------- Original message --------
From paul.poulsen1957@...
Date: 12/20/2013 9:00 AM (GMT-05:00)
To Q-LIST@...
Subject [Q-LIST] Prop for a Q2 with a revmaster 2100 engine


 

Hi Guys,

I am sorry if this is a dumb question. I am restoring a Q2 with a Revmaster 2100DQ and I need a prop. What type, diameter and pitch is best for general flying. Runaways around here are not that wonderful as far as length goes so I am thinking a finer pitch prop would be better. I will go by your advice as you guys are flying.

Thanks for your help in advance

Regards
Paul


Re: Oil consumption

Jim Patillo
 

Good evening Mike,

I bought my 0200A with about 2900 hours on it. Tore it down and rebuilt it, magnafluxed, zyglowed and yellow tagged everything. "Zero'd It".

I now have about 1250 hours on the engine  (upgraded to Superior Cylinders and 9.5:1 pistons @ 200 hours) and now have about the same blow by as yours.  I get about 42-45 lb. oil pressure on start up and use 15W50, never filling the sump more than 4.5 qts.on the stick, unless going on a long cross country. Compression averages 70's/80. I add Marvel Mystery Oil to the fuel and oil during every 50 hour oil/filter change.

I also installed a microwave baby bottle on a tube from the seperator to capture the blow by. It works well unless I forget to empty it. Then its belly cleaning time.

BTW, did you install the "Real Gasket" spring loaded push rod tubes. That helps as well.

Jim Q200 N46JP


Re: Oil consumption

Lynn French
 

When I got my engine it had chrome cylinders that never really broke in right. So after several hundred hours I broke down and put on ECI cylinder and piston assemblies ( of course I had to mess with compression, EFI, ignition, ect. as well ). When the ECI's were broke in I very seldom add oil between oil changes. I will let others pipe up, but there are some on the list with that same or better performance. Some would say oil consumption is good, but I always thought it was a hassle. 
LJ 

Short & simple from my mobile 

On Dec 20, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Ok, got me curious.  New cyl or new engine?
Thanks & Merry Christmas!

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 20, 2013 4:44 PM, "N142LF" <n142lf@...> wrote:
 

But if you do upgrade, there are options that give you 20+ hours per quart. Still may not be worth it unless you are doing it for other reasons, but that is the route a few of us have gone. 
L J French

Short & simple from my mobile 

On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the input.  So my better than average engine has slowly degraded over the years to average!  I will do the compression test and borescope soon.  Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!


Mike Dwyer 
Q200 N3QP


My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:
 

I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption is 1/3 qt per hr



Re: Oil consumption

Mike Dwyer
 

Ok, got me curious.  New cyl or new engine?
Thanks & Merry Christmas!

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 20, 2013 4:44 PM, "N142LF" <n142lf@...> wrote:
 

But if you do upgrade, there are options that give you 20+ hours per quart. Still may not be worth it unless you are doing it for other reasons, but that is the route a few of us have gone. 
L J French

Short & simple from my mobile 

On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the input.  So my better than average engine has slowly degraded over the years to average!  I will do the compression test and borescope soon.  Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!


Mike Dwyer 
Q200 N3QP


My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:
 

I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption is 1/3 qt per hr



Re: Oil consumption

Lynn French
 

But if you do upgrade, there are options that give you 20+ hours per quart. Still may not be worth it unless you are doing it for other reasons, but that is the route a few of us have gone. 
L J French

Short & simple from my mobile 

On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the input.  So my better than average engine has slowly degraded over the years to average!  I will do the compression test and borescope soon.  Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!


Mike Dwyer 
Q200 N3QP


My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:
 

I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption is 1/3 qt per hr



Re: Oil consumption

Mike Dwyer
 

Thank you all for the input.  So my better than average engine has slowly degraded over the years to average!  I will do the compression test and borescope soon.  Will report back what I find but otherwise the CYL are like $800 times 4 so maybe oil is cheaper!


Mike Dwyer 
Q200 N3QP


My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM, <danchar18@...> wrote:
 

I just looked in my 0-200 manual and it says the average oil consumption is 1/3 qt per hr



Re: Canard update

Jay Scheevel
 

Looking good Sam. Keep up the pace! We are all pulling for you out here in freeze-ville. Average temp for December so far has been 13 degrees F.

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Canard update

Skyraider
 

Thank you Emron,
 For clearing this up. 

I have used Peel ply in fabricating a boat hull, over a male mold.
However,  IT WAS ALWAYS IN 80 +  degree temps.
so, I never has issues with the viscosity.
And the resin rich surfaces were not an issue either.

Very interesting research project. I didn't know that there even was one.
I stand edjumacated, now...      :-o

Thanks again


Charlie
(In Texas)




On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:27, <quickieaircraft@...> wrote:

 

Peel ply can leave a resin rich surface, hence higher weight.  UW and Boeing did some work on peel ply, see illustration on page 9 of http://depts.washington.edu/amtas/publications/presentations/Phariss_SAMPE_11-05.pdf


For good bonding and low weight, we want the blue fracture line and not the red.  My understanding is that this fracture line is controlled by chemical compatibility (btwn peel ply and resin) and also by working temperature. Low temps can cause high viscocity, which can cause problems with wicking out.  I suspect that a hair dryer and some light pressure with a squeegee should be able to reduce this resin-rich layer to an insignificant thickness for weight purposes.


I have had a similar experience to Mike Dwyer with large sheets of peel ply.


Emron

Try Q200 15hrs


Re: Canard update

R. Frisbee
 

One thing I am using for peel ply is Dacron purchased at Fabric Depot.  You can get a whole bolt of it for something like $.93 a yard.   Also Dacron comes in several different Weave thicknesses so you can choose a silky finish, or a rough finish by the type of Dacron you use.  When purchasing the Dacron, make sure it is “Untreated”.    I picked up 20 yards of untreated Dacron for $10 during a sale.   The only problem I have had is when purchased as a bolt, there is a fold line which can cause problems with a large layup.  I end up cutting the fold line out.   Also,  I have found the finer the weave the easier it is to pull off the peel ply which makes doing large finished parts like fuselage or wings much easier.

 

Robert Frisbee

Overall NFC Validation & Quality Lead

Intel Corporation

 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Canard update

 

 

I tried sheets of peel ply and it was very tough to pull off.  I'd stick to the 2" widths.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 20, 2013 7:40 AM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

 

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup.  A friend donated a bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now.  If it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

 

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight was insignificant..  Can't remember where I saw it though.

 

Sam

 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

 

FYI.  I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will attach to the fuselage.  This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

 

The latest.  The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

 

 

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend.  Good thing I'm not building this thing outside.

 

Sam

 

 

 


Re: Canard update

R. Frisbee
 

There is a little extra weight using peel ply.  On a big aircraft like a Cozy it can equal several pounds if you peel ply the whole aircraft,  on a Q it would probably be pretty small. 

 

Robert Frisbee

Overall NFC Validation & Quality Lead

Intel Corporation

 

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Um..... Additional weight??

 

As the name imply's ,  the added layer, gets peeled off, along with excess epoxy, therefore reducing weight

of the laid up item.

 

 

Charlie 

(in Texas)



 


On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:40, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

 

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup.  A friend donated a bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now.  If it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

 

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight was insignificant..  Can't remember where I saw it though.

 

Sam

 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

 

FYI.  I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will attach to the fuselage.  This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

 

The latest.  The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.

 

 

We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend.  Good thing I'm not building this thing outside.

 

Sam

 

 

 


Re: Canard update

quickieaircraft
 

Peel ply can leave a resin rich surface, hence higher weight.  UW and Boeing did some work on peel ply, see illustration on page 9 of http://depts.washington.edu/amtas/publications/presentations/Phariss_SAMPE_11-05.pdf


For good bonding and low weight, we want the blue fracture line and not the red.  My understanding is that this fracture line is controlled by chemical compatibility (btwn peel ply and resin) and also by working temperature. Low temps can cause high viscocity, which can cause problems with wicking out.  I suspect that a hair dryer and some light pressure with a squeegee should be able to reduce this resin-rich layer to an insignificant thickness for weight purposes.


I have had a similar experience to Mike Dwyer with large sheets of peel ply.


Emron

Try Q200 15hrs


Re: TriQ200 Sparless Canard

quickheads
 

Phil,
Q-talk 159 from earlier this year discusses the Waddelow canard in great detail.  You can find that online here:

http://goo.gl/8PD6JN

There are links to the drawings (for free) from those articles.  Hope this helps.  Please let me know.

Thanks,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

 

On 2013-12-11 12:44, Phillip J. Kocmoud wrote:

 

 

Emron,

 

Thank you.

 

That makes sense, my spar area look like a big rectangle, so I assume it is the Waddelow spar. Can someone provide me with the shorter span layup drawings?

 

Thank you,

 

Phil

 

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Marc Waddelow redesigned the layup schedule to make a canard for his Tri Q, and distributed the plans to others.  He also included a 240in schedule.  There are a number of flying examples, Bruce Crain's being the most famous at this time.  I have been happy with my Waddelow to date.  Please note the loads analysis was done for Tri-Q aero loads only--if you ever wanted to convert to taildragger, you'd need to re-evaluate. I'm  not aware of anyone who has used the Waddelow layup with the taildragger configuration.

 

My understanding is that one way to verify your canard is a sparless Waddelow is by inspecting the aft edge of the center section.  You will need to stick your head into that hole where you usually stick your legs, and it'll be about where your knees were.  The aft edge of the canard is flat in a Wadd elow, otherwise round due to the presence of a round spar.

 

-Emron

Tri Q200 15hrs

 

 

 


Re: Canard update

Skyraider
 

Um..... Additional weight??

As the name imply's ,  the added layer, gets peeled off, along with excess epoxy, therefore reducing weight
of the laid up item.


Charlie 
(in Texas)




On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:40, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

 

I hope to be peel plying the crap out of this layup.  A friend donated a bunch of old Ceconite fabric and I have a test layup going right now.  If it pans out, I will try and peel ply the whole surface.

BTW - I seem to recall some testing someone did, and the additional weight was insignificant..  Can't remember where I saw it though.

Sam


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:
 

FYI.  I used peel ply on the top and bottom of the canard where it will attach to the fuselage.  This way you don't have to rough up the glass prior to fuselage attachment.

Mike Dwyer

My YouTube channel: http://goo.gl/ddljYZ
My Vimeo Videos: http://goo.gl/bsaLsG
My Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

On Dec 19, 2013 8:34 PM, "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
 

The latest.  The bottom of the canard gets it's glass on Saturday.


We are supposed to get 4-5 inches of rain this weekend.  Good thing I'm not building this thing outside.

Sam




Re: Canard update

dkeats <dkeats@...>
 

 Sam------------   When I do my building, I find it better to peel ply the entire wing when I am finished. You can still get any excess epoxy out and it is so much easier to do the final finish. I use cheap aircraft fabric I buy from ACS.  Keep up the good work. The world is watching.---------  Canada Chris


Prop for a Q2 with a revmaster 2100 engine

Paul Poulsen
 

Hi Guys,

I am sorry if this is a dumb question. I am restoring a Q2 with a Revmaster 2100DQ and I need a prop. What type, diameter and pitch is best for general flying. Runaways around here are not that wonderful as far as length goes so I am thinking a finer pitch prop would be better. I will go by your advice as you guys are flying.

Thanks for your help in advance

Regards
Paul

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