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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

Robert Bounds
 

This letter assures me that Jim is at his usual 100% mentally and on the way to full recovery.  So glad to see it.  And a classic dose of reality from our mentor.  Thanks, Jim.
R Bounds
Pink Q-1 driver that also moved on.  (sure was a blast, though)
 

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap
 
 

OK  OK  OK  Let me weigh in.
 
I started the QBA with a partner some 40 years ago. He finished but never flew his Q-1. I finished and flew mine and the FAA blessed it.
Here are a few things I believe:
The days of the Q1 and Q2 are over. They were nifty and attention grabbing aircraft. The QAC sold a pile of those kits but the majority of them were never finished or flown. I would bet against anybody who thinks he can resurrect that kit and make money doing it. I have a Masters degree in management and have actually managed and marketed aircraft parts. There is no longer a profitable market for this aircraft... but we live in the USA and can spend our money as we choose.
In 40 years of organizing and attending Q specific events there are only a few of these craft regularly flying. Can somebody find for me 100 that were finished and still flying?
My Q1 never did what I hoped it would. Lousy engine. Half or more Q2's had to change engines and gear. The cockpits are not comfy for 2. Baggage capacity is poor. Where are they all now? Yes there are a few builders who have persisted and enjoyed their planes but how many projects have been abandoned? Too many guys have lost big gobs of money. The time has passed. Some of our very successful builders are moving on to aluminum.
It would surprise the hell out of me if FLAP or anybody has a big fat handful of orders with deposit $$$ attached. Too many newbies out there like to flap their gums but won't put up any $$$. Remember this is 40 years talking. Builders-to- be are notoriously cheap.
Newbies should not be awash in the dream world but should carefully consider the available facts.
 
While I seem to be negative I am only trying to analyze 40 years of facts. Somebody prove me wrong.
They are beautiful, they are fast but their time has passed. Move on.
 
j.
 
 
 
 



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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

Sanjay Dhall <sdhall@...>
 

Classic Jim! Glad to see you back online.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:39 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

 

 

OK  OK  OK  Let me weigh in.

 

I started the QBA with a partner some 40 years ago. He finished but never flew his Q-1. I finished and flew mine and the FAA blessed it.

Here are a few things I believe:

The days of the Q1 and Q2 are over. They were nifty and attention grabbing aircraft. The QAC sold a pile of those kits but the majority of them were never finished or flown. I would bet against anybody who thinks he can resurrect that kit and make money doing it. I have a Masters degree in management and have actually managed and marketed aircraft parts. There is no longer a profitable market for this aircraft... but we live in the USA and can spend our money as we choose.

In 40 years of organizing and attending Q specific events there are only a few of these craft regularly flying. Can somebody find for me 100 that were finished and still flying?

My Q1 never did what I hoped it would. Lousy engine. Half or more Q2's had to change engines and gear. The cockpits are not comfy for 2. Baggage capacity is poor. Where are they all now? Yes there are a few builders who have persisted and enjoyed their planes but how many projects have been abandoned? Too many guys have lost big gobs of money. The time has passed. Some of our very successful builders are moving on to aluminum.

It would surprise the hell out of me if FLAP or anybody has a big fat handful of orders with deposit $$$ attached. Too many newbies out there like to flap their gums but won't put up any $$$. Remember this is 40 years talking. Builders-to- be are notoriously cheap.

Newbies should not be awash in the dream world but should carefully consider the available facts.

 

While I seem to be negative I am only trying to analyze 40 years of facts. Somebody prove me wrong.

They are beautiful, they are fast but their time has passed. Move on.

 

j.

 

 

 

 



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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

albert jolliffe
 

Do you think the electric motors will make any difference


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Subject : Re: [Q-LIST] Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

OK  OK  OK  Let me weigh in.


I started the QBA with a partner some 40 years ago. He finished but never flew his Q-1. I finished and flew mine and the FAA blessed it.
Here are a few things I believe:
The days of the Q1 and Q2 are over. They were nifty and attention grabbing aircraft. The QAC sold a pile of those kits but the majority of them were never finished or flown. I would bet against anybody who thinks he can resurrect that kit and make money doing it. I have a Masters degree in management and have actually managed and marketed aircraft parts. There is no longer a profitable market for this aircraft... but we live in the USA and can spend our money as we choose.
In 40 years of organizing and attending Q specific events there are only a few of these craft regularly flying. Can somebody find for me 100 that were finished and still flying?
My Q1 never did what I hoped it would. Lousy engine. Half or more Q2's had to change engines and gear. The cockpits are not comfy for 2. Baggage capacity is poor. Where are they all now? Yes there are a few builders who have persisted and enjoyed their planes but how many projects have been abandoned? Too many guys have lost big gobs of money. The time has passed. Some of our very successful builders are moving on to aluminum.
It would surprise the hell out of me if FLAP or anybody has a big fat handful of orders with deposit $$$ attached. Too many newbies out there like to flap their gums but won't put up any $$$. Remember this is 40 years talking. Builders-to- be are notoriously cheap.
Newbies should not be awash in the dream world but should carefully consider the available facts.


While I seem to be negative I am only trying to analyze 40 years of facts. Somebody prove me wrong.
They are beautiful, they are fast but their time has passed. Move on.


j.












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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

Paul Fisher
 

I'm not happy about it, but I have to agree with you Jim. "Move on" is probably the best advice.

Glad you are feeling better!!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF currently ~1550 hours over 25 years... But I too "moved on"

On Aug 4, 2015 8:38 PM, "JMasal@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

OK  OK  OK  Let me weigh in.

I started the QBA with a partner some 40 years ago. He finished but never flew his Q-1. I finished and flew mine and the FAA blessed it.
Here are a few things I believe:
The days of the Q1 and Q2 are over. They were nifty and attention grabbing aircraft. The QAC sold a pile of those kits but the majority of them were never finished or flown. I would bet against anybody who thinks he can resurrect that kit and make money doing it. I have a Masters degree in management and have actually managed and marketed aircraft parts. There is no longer a profitable market for this aircraft... but we live in the USA and can spend our money as we choose.
In 40 years of organizing and attending Q specific events there are only a few of these craft regularly flying. Can somebody find for me 100 that were finished and still flying?
My Q1 never did what I hoped it would. Lousy engine. Half or more Q2's had to change engines and gear. The cockpits are not comfy for 2. Baggage capacity is poor. Where are they all now? Yes there are a few builders who have persisted and enjoyed their planes but how many projects have been abandoned? Too many guys have lost big gobs of money. The time has passed. Some of our very successful builders are moving on to aluminum.
It would surprise the hell out of me if FLAP or anybody has a big fat handful of orders with deposit $$$ attached. Too many newbies out there like to flap their gums but won't put up any $$$. Remember this is 40 years talking. Builders-to- be are notoriously cheap.
Newbies should not be awash in the dream world but should carefully consider the available facts.

While I seem to be negative I am only trying to analyze 40 years of facts. Somebody prove me wrong.
They are beautiful, they are fast but their time has passed. Move on.

j.







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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

Sam Hoskins
 

Glad to see you're feeling better Jim.


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015, 8:38 PM JMasal@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

OK  OK  OK  Let me weigh in.

I started the QBA with a partner some 40 years ago. He finished but never flew his Q-1. I finished and flew mine and the FAA blessed it.
Here are a few things I believe:
The days of the Q1 and Q2 are over. They were nifty and attention grabbing aircraft. The QAC sold a pile of those kits but the majority of them were never finished or flown. I would bet against anybody who thinks he can resurrect that kit and make money doing it. I have a Masters degree in management and have actually managed and marketed aircraft parts. There is no longer a profitable market for this aircraft... but we live in the USA and can spend our money as we choose.
In 40 years of organizing and attending Q specific events there are only a few of these craft regularly flying. Can somebody find for me 100 that were finished and still flying?
My Q1 never did what I hoped it would. Lousy engine. Half or more Q2's had to change engines and gear. The cockpits are not comfy for 2. Baggage capacity is poor. Where are they all now? Yes there are a few builders who have persisted and enjoyed their planes but how many projects have been abandoned? Too many guys have lost big gobs of money. The time has passed. Some of our very successful builders are moving on to aluminum.
It would surprise the hell out of me if FLAP or anybody has a big fat handful of orders with deposit $$$ attached. Too many newbies out there like to flap their gums but won't put up any $$$. Remember this is 40 years talking. Builders-to- be are notoriously cheap.
Newbies should not be awash in the dream world but should carefully consider the available facts.

While I seem to be negative I am only trying to analyze 40 years of facts. Somebody prove me wrong.
They are beautiful, they are fast but their time has passed. Move on.

j.







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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits= recap

JMasal@...
 

OK  OK  OK  Let me weigh in.

I started the QBA with a partner some 40 years ago. He finished but never flew his Q-1. I finished and flew mine and the FAA blessed it.
Here are a few things I believe:
The days of the Q1 and Q2 are over. They were nifty and attention grabbing aircraft. The QAC sold a pile of those kits but the majority of them were never finished or flown. I would bet against anybody who thinks he can resurrect that kit and make money doing it. I have a Masters degree in management and have actually managed and marketed aircraft parts. There is no longer a profitable market for this aircraft... but we live in the USA and can spend our money as we choose.
In 40 years of organizing and attending Q specific events there are only a few of these craft regularly flying. Can somebody find for me 100 that were finished and still flying?
My Q1 never did what I hoped it would. Lousy engine. Half or more Q2's had to change engines and gear. The cockpits are not comfy for 2. Baggage capacity is poor. Where are they all now? Yes there are a few builders who have persisted and enjoyed their planes but how many projects have been abandoned? Too many guys have lost big gobs of money. The time has passed. Some of our very successful builders are moving on to aluminum.
It would surprise the hell out of me if FLAP or anybody has a big fat handful of orders with deposit $$$ attached. Too many newbies out there like to flap their gums but won't put up any $$$. Remember this is 40 years talking. Builders-to- be are notoriously cheap.
Newbies should not be awash in the dream world but should carefully consider the available facts.

While I seem to be negative I am only trying to analyze 40 years of facts. Somebody prove me wrong.
They are beautiful, they are fast but their time has passed. Move on.

j.







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Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits

quickieaircraft
 

Richard did make some parts for me.  He worked with me to get them right for my application, despite some challenges on both of our ends. We had a surprising number of discussions and each time his interest was in improving the part/installation. If you need a specific part(s) or even a kit I'd suggest giving him a call and asking him what he can do.

Not to hijack this thread, but I recently started up the new engine. Fired right up.  It's a good feeling.

Best,
IF

Tri Q200 15hrs.


Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits

mylittlemgb@...
 

The reason no one has seen any new Q kits is due to the fact that up till this week Fast Little Airplanes has been a part time shop and all development has been out of my pocket. We did try to work with an investor once and by the time that relationship was over I almost ended up completely folding and closing the doors. We can make the original Q2 shells and we do make all the metal parts. Fact is we can offer a new kit of the original bird but in the research that was done we found that the cost to produce the old style kit to be more then folks would be willing to pay for an airplane that was 2 place and averaged 2000 hours to build. Now F.L.A.P.'s is a full time shop and we are pressing forward with the NXQ-1 and 2 plus still offer all the parts and support for the original Q's.

Richard
Fast Little Airplanes LLC


Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits

Alvaro Domenighi
 

I heard that a company bought the rights for the Q200 kit (I don't remember the name of the company), but apparently nothing happen, does anyone have more latter information.

 

Some of the parts can be bought at http://www.quickheads.com/ like some hardware, plans and CNC cut foam but I believe that the hardest part is to replace the fuselage panels. Does anyone know if someone had build a Q building their own fuselage panels ? The original panels where constructed with layers of fiberglass (does anyone know have the specs on the layers and screen angle of each layer ?) with semi-rigid closed-cell foam added for rigidity and toughness (does anyone has the specs on the construction). And if was build does anyone replaced the fiberglass for carbon, Kevlar or any other type of composite ?

 


Re: What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits

Alvaro Domenighi
 

I heard that the manufacturing rights was sold for a new company (I don't remember the company name), but apparently nothing happen. At quickheads.com is possible to buy the plans, spars, some of the hardware and the pre cut CNC foam cores.

 

I want to believe that the hard part is to replace the fuselage panels, will be interest to know if anyone had build a Q2 or Q200 building their own fuselage panels, the original ones where build with layers of fiberglass (does anyone know the specs on the fiber and what screen direction angle is each layer ?) with semi-rigid closed-cell foam added for rigidity and toughness (again does anyone know the specs ?). Does anyone had use carbon or Kevlar or any other type/mix ?

 


 


Re: Any Q-2 OR Q-200 Near Knoxville, TN?

mylittlemgb@...
 

After you're done visiting Jerry in NC your welcome to come on down to KGRD Greenwood, SC I would be happy to sell you a nice project Q to get you on your way.

Richard


Re: Update on Jim, July 31

laser-dart@...
 

On 8/1/2015 3:03 PM, Dave Dugas davedq2@... [Q-LIST] wrote:
 
Thanks for bringing good news Sam.
Jim, get well soon.
Dave D




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From "Sam Kittle skittle@... [Q-LIST]"
Date: 07/31/2015 9:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
To Q-LIST@...
Subject [Q-LIST] Update on Jim, July 31


 
Here's the latest on lil Jimmy.

Sam K

Jim update Friday, July 31, 2015

Hello!
Jim has been home more than two weeks now, and making progress each day. 

Home health workers have been parading through here Monday through Friday. Jim has good strength but little endurance, so that has been the focus for exercises. His speech therapist has officially released him to eat soft foods, which somehow oddly includes vanilla wafers!  Just knowing he can eat something, has improved his attitude immeasurably.  

We continue to be grateful for your prayers, cards, emails, texts, and visits.  Jim is also back on email every day so have at it! 

The full moon tonight is also a blue moon. Enjoy!   Mary

Dave, whatever happened to theQ-LIST moderator?
I sold everything associated with Q-2's several years ago and requested removal from the Q-LIST, which happened.
About a month ago I started receiving Q-LIST mailings again and have tried everything I know how to get removed again,without success.
I'm a computer novice and have e-mailed to every address I could find, checked every "unsubscribe" box I could find and the e-mails still keep coming.
Can you give me any suggestions or notify those responsible for the mail to delete my address "laser-dart@... from all mailing lists. GRATEFULLY  !!! Vince


What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits

Rich Gillen
 

What ever happened to the new Q2/Q200 kits that were going to be reproduced? Did that deal fall through or what?
 
Rich


Re: Any Q-2 OR Q-200 Near Knoxville, TN?

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

How's Asheville?
828-712-9779



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From: "axmanflier2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 08/01/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Any Q-2 OR Q-200 Near Knoxville, TN?

 

I am still looking for a Q2 or Q200 that would be within a few hours of Knoxville to come check out.


Re: Any Q-2 OR Q-200 Near Knoxville, TN?

axmanflier2@...
 

I am still looking for a Q2 or Q200 that would be within a few hours of Knoxville to come check out.


Re: Update on Jim, July 31

Dave Dugas
 

Thanks for bringing good news Sam.
Jim, get well soon.
Dave D




Sent from Samsung tablet



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From "Sam Kittle skittle@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 07/31/2015 9:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
To Q-LIST@...
Subject [Q-LIST] Update on Jim, July 31


 

Here's the latest on lil Jimmy.

Sam K

Jim update Friday, July 31, 2015

Hello!
Jim has been home more than two weeks now, and making progress each day. 

Home health workers have been parading through here Monday through Friday. Jim has good strength but little endurance, so that has been the focus for exercises. His speech therapist has officially released him to eat soft foods, which somehow oddly includes vanilla wafers!  Just knowing he can eat something, has improved his attitude immeasurably.  

We continue to be grateful for your prayers, cards, emails, texts, and visits.  Jim is also back on email every day so have at it! 

The full moon tonight is also a blue moon. Enjoy!   Mary


Re: Update on Jim, July 31

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Update on Jim, July 31

Paul Fisher
 

Thanks Sam.  I'm glad he's on the mend!

Keep at it Jim!

Paul

On Jul 31, 2015 8:20 PM, "Sam Kittle skittle@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Here's the latest on lil Jimmy.

Sam K

Jim update Friday, July 31, 2015

Hello!
Jim has been home more than two weeks now, and making progress each day. 

Home health workers have been parading through here Monday through Friday. Jim has good strength but little endurance, so that has been the focus for exercises. His speech therapist has officially released him to eat soft foods, which somehow oddly includes vanilla wafers!  Just knowing he can eat something, has improved his attitude immeasurably.  

We continue to be grateful for your prayers, cards, emails, texts, and visits.  Jim is also back on email every day so have at it! 

The full moon tonight is also a blue moon. Enjoy!   Mary


Update on Jim, July 31

Sam Kittle
 

Here's the latest on lil Jimmy.

Sam K

Jim update Friday, July 31, 2015

Hello!
Jim has been home more than two weeks now, and making progress each day. 

Home health workers have been parading through here Monday through Friday. Jim has good strength but little endurance, so that has been the focus for exercises. His speech therapist has officially released him to eat soft foods, which somehow oddly includes vanilla wafers!  Just knowing he can eat something, has improved his attitude immeasurably.  

We continue to be grateful for your prayers, cards, emails, texts, and visits.  Jim is also back on email every day so have at it! 

The full moon tonight is also a blue moon. Enjoy!   Mary


Re: Q2 waterline drawing [2 Attachments]

Larry Severson
 

Thank you. Perfect!

 

Larry Severson

18242 Peters Ct

Fountain Valley, CA  92708

(714) 968-9852

 

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To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Q2 waterline drawing [2 Attachments]

 

 

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These will probably do the trick

Jay

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