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Canard Tip Landing Gear

Dave Anderson <usaf_david@...>
 

Would someone who currently flys or has experience with the canard tip mounted landing gear (original design) please contact me offline at this email address? I have some specific questions. Thanks!


Regards,


Dave Anderson


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Jim Patillo
 

Remember what Burt said........"if you throw it up and it comes back down it's to heavy. My Q200/0200 weighs 740 lbs but it has a lot of "extras" that added weight. Doesn't seem to affect the performance much tho. Still a blast!

Daily Driver
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Richard,

Sounds like you are making good progress on your projects. Keep us posted.

Battery (or perhaps batteries) will go behind the seat-back. I intend to install at least one of the EarthX LiFePo batteries. The LiFePo are much lighter than the standard lead acid battery with better cranking power. The EarthX version LiFePo contains electronics that protects the battery from any adverse voltage situations, so it becomes very difficult to damage it under nearly any circumstance. The Jabiru is lighter than the O-200, but I have mounted it a bit farther forward using the same mount that Paul Spackman has, so the moment is about the same as the O-200.

About my engine. I actually have a Jabiru not a Camit. Although the Camit was a very close version of the Jab, and by all accounts, better. They (Camit) have now gone belly up and all of their manufacturing equipment has been repossessed and sold at auction last month. I am not sure what the future portends, but there is always the possibility of a Phoenix moment for Camit if some of that equipment ends up in the right hands.

With respect to my engine. Jabiru is still in business, so the engine is marginally supported. Basically, the Jab is a well built engine, but is not as robust as the typical LycCon, so it is not a "set it and forget it" engine. With appropriate care, the Jabiru is a solidly reliable engine.

I have made some mods to mine that will add to this reliability. The only Camit mods that I have incorporated are as follows: I replaced the early hydraulic lifters (original in my engine) with solid lifters and associated rockers, bushings and pushrods...all Camit. I also installed Camit's thermostatically controlled oil cooler attachment. This replaces the Jabiru one, which has unregulated flow to the oil cooler. The thermostat mod should allow the engine oil to heat to operating temp faster.

The other mods that I have added are all made by Rotec Aerosport (the Aussie company that makes the radial engines). The most significant Rotec mod is the liquid cooled heads mod. If you recall the Voyager (round the world rutan aircraft), it had a one of a kind Continental IOL-200 engine on the rear with specially made liquid cooled heads. The Rotec design is similar to that, inasmuch as the cooling is only in the head itself, not the entire cylinder. The barrels remain air cooled. I have replaced the original Bing carburetor with Rotec's throttle body injector (TBI). That is significantly simpler than the Bing and allows for simpler, more direct mixture control. The overall size of the TBI, also allows me to have essentially a flat firewall. The third mod is to replace the fixed magnet generator/alternator that is integral with the flywheel in the Jab (nominally 17-amps). This is removed entirely and replaced with a more "conventional" belt driven alternator. This Rotec mod comes with a 40-amp automotive alternator. I decided I did not like the integral regulator in the Rotec supplied Chinese alternator, so I bought a B&C alternator of the same size and the B&C regulator to go along with it. I have installed the regulator on the interior side of the firewall to keep it cooler. The overall effect of my mods, once you consider the radiators, hoses, ducting, coolant, brackets, etc. adds about 10 pounds to the overall installation. All up, the engine with everything is about 194 pounds, as opposed to 184 in the original configuration.

Cheers,
Jay


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Sam,

Merry Christmas. My last weight was 625 pounds. I had thrown in a bunch of shot bags to account for a number of things like avionics, battery and fluids, but it was probably an underestimate. My guess at this point is I will not make my advertised minimum empty weight of 650 pounds. I will have a better estimate in a month or so, after I get the rest of the fuselage ready for paint. Will keep you posted. Everything I do seems to make it heavier...imagine that..

Cheers,
Jay


1/2vw Q1

MATT HUGHES
 

Hello all,

I'm new to the group. I have restored and am flying a plans built Q1 (original config*) in Alberta Canada. I have posted a few videos on YouTube( https://youtu.be/tOtvNmYGqoo ). I have flown mostly tailwheel( AG planes), but have some some twin IFR commercial experience as well. I find the Q1 a very fun plane to fly. The only experience I have with canards and quickies is with my quickie.

I have the original onan 20hp engine and can get 3300rpm at static with 42x30 prop. Stall is 58mph IAS, cruise at 3200rpm is 90mph. 1100ft takeoff at 480lbs, 3500ft ASL. 300lbs empty. I think I'm getting good performance based on what I've read.

Any idea on prop pitch in can put on a 32hp 1/2vw for Q1. I have read in back posts that 1/2vw engines have been installed on Q1's but I cannot seem to find details like, performance, configurations ect.

*I have converted hand brakes to heel. Changed tailwheel swivel rake angle to neutral for better ground handling. Changed tailwheel deflection for tighter turning. Aileron reflexor. Aerovee trim on elevator.

Thanks in advance
Matt
Matthughes@...


Re: Call to John Forde

MATT HUGHES
 

John,

Sure. I have a 1/2vw 32hp engine. I want to swap the onan out, but I rebuilt the onan with all new upgraded parts so it's a shame. I wanted to keep it original but..... a little more speed would be nice.

Merry Christmas


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Sam Hoskins
 

Jay, what is your current EW?

Sam

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On Dec 23, 2016 12:58 PM, "jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Here are my weights: Canard only with slot cores installed, weighed prior to installing on the airframe was 70 pounds. My wing  with trailing edges and slot cores, prior to installation was 37 pounds.

I keep revising my W&B in a spreadsheet as I add components to the airframe.  I have measured weight on the three wheels maybe 15 times since installing the gear legs several years ago. These weighings are done with or without any of the 32 individual sub-components that I treat as separate in my spreadsheet. I tweak any of the then-installed components after each weighing to match the spreadsheet weight and moment to the actual weight measured on the wheels. In this way I allocate additional weight to individual installed components until it matches each weighing. Some of this extra weight gets lumped as wing or canard including the mounting glass, fillets, fairings, elevators, ailerons, including elevator and aileron supports, torque tubes, control horns, mass-balance counterweights, nuts, bolts, etc.  At this time, with my plane  nearly finished, my spreadsheet shows the "canard" at 95 pounds, and the "main wing" at 47 pounds. So I have factored an additional 25 pounds to the canard and 10 pounds to the main wing, as installed.

By the way, my tail section is now complete and final painted. I ask people to guess the weight. The lowest guess has been 85 pounds. They are surprised when I tell them it weighs in at 32 pounds.


Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building 


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Sam Hoskins
 

Not sure and I'm not near any records, but in the latest go-around for an LS canard, slot cores installed, no elevator or wheel pants, 27 pounds comes to mind.

Sam

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On Dec 23, 2016 9:04 AM, "mylittlemgb@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Well we are heading to the finish now and I we would like to see if we are in the window for weights. Our process for the canard and wing should have us lighter then what could be built by hand layup. So if you know the weight of your canard or wing we would love to know.

Richard
Fast Little Airplanes


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

mylittlemgb@...
 

Thank you Jay,

Out of curiosity since you have the Camit engine are you having to move the battery box to the tail cone for CG? I didn't know what kind of weight gain you would get with the Camit upgrades.


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Jerry Marstall
 

Mine must be lighter than air because they are floating in air when I fly.  Put me down for "0".

On Dec 23, 2016 10:04 AM, "mylittlemgb@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Well we are heading to the finish now and I we would like to see if we are in the window for weights. Our process for the canard and wing should have us lighter then what could be built by hand layup. So if you know the weight of your canard or wing we would love to know.

Richard
Fast Little Airplanes



Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Jay Scheevel
 

Here are my weights: Canard only with slot cores installed, weighed prior to installing on the airframe was 70 pounds. My wing  with trailing edges and slot cores, prior to installation was 37 pounds.

I keep revising my W&B in a spreadsheet as I add components to the airframe.  I have measured weight on the three wheels maybe 15 times since installing the gear legs several years ago. These weighings are done with or without any of the 32 individual sub-components that I treat as separate in my spreadsheet. I tweak any of the then-installed components after each weighing to match the spreadsheet weight and moment to the actual weight measured on the wheels. In this way I allocate additional weight to individual installed components until it matches each weighing. Some of this extra weight gets lumped as wing or canard including the mounting glass, fillets, fairings, elevators, ailerons, including elevator and aileron supports, torque tubes, control horns, mass-balance counterweights, nuts, bolts, etc.  At this time, with my plane  nearly finished, my spreadsheet shows the "canard" at 95 pounds, and the "main wing" at 47 pounds. So I have factored an additional 25 pounds to the canard and 10 pounds to the main wing, as installed.

By the way, my tail section is now complete and final painted. I ask people to guess the weight. The lowest guess has been 85 pounds. They are surprised when I tell them it weighs in at 32 pounds.


Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building 


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

mylittlemgb@...
 

Any and all info is good for us. So yes please.


Re: Weight of Canard and Wing

Martin Skiby
 

Richard,  I have an LS canard and Wadlow main wing that do not yet have the control surfaces on them.  Would this help or are you looking for a weight of them completed and ready to mount?

Martin


Weight of Canard and Wing

mylittlemgb@...
 

Well we are heading to the finish now and I we would like to see if we are in the window for weights. Our process for the canard and wing should have us lighter then what could be built by hand layup. So if you know the weight of your canard or wing we would love to know.

Richard
Fast Little Airplanes


Call to John Forde

John Forde <johnforde@...>
 

Hey Matt,

I found your email in my junk folder.

I am eager to lear more about your Q!, but very busy for a while.

Let’s talk after the Holidays.

Thanks

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Re: Noisy Wheels/Brakes and weight and balance

MATT HUGHES
 

This is not related to the topic...sorry in advance.
Calvin, I'm flying a q1 out of olds/didsbury. I live in Cochrane, would like too see your bird.


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Jerry

 

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Re: Save the Date Jan 7th

Martin Skiby
 

Thanks Jay,  The TriQ is flying well and we have a Q200 that is getting close to going.  The BBQ will be a great event and anyone can let me know at mskiby at bak.rr.com if they are coming.

Lets hope that makes it.


Re: Save the Date Jan 7th

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Martin,

Just to let you know that Yahoo groups skims off the domain name for e-mail addresses that are included in your notes (ostensibly to preserve your privacy)

If you want to leave you e-mail address, just type it in kind of like this: me at domainname.com. Then it will be posted.

Cheers,
Jay


Re: Save the Date Jan 7th

Martin Skiby
 

The BBQ will be at KMIT on Saturday January 7th at 1pm.  We will have burgers and other stuff.  I will make sure we have plenty of food and side dishes for my friends flying in.  Please let me know if you can make it.

Look for the yellow A26 at the field.  There is ample parking in that area and you will see our two Q200s there also.  I have confirmation from at least two folks that are coming.  Jim P.  I certainly hope to see you and the group.

Again all are welcome in anything you want to fly in.  I look forward to meeting you all and talking Quickies and Dragonflies and stuff!!!!

Thanks all.

You can let me know you are coming VIA mskiby@...

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