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Re: Foam

David J. Gall
 

Brad,

Normally I would concur, except in the specific case of glueing multiple sheets to obtain the block thickness needed for wing/canard cores, it apparently has been tried with fatal results. So has mix-it-yourself foam met with similar fatal results. That's why this particular topic draws so much ire from the "old heads" on this list: their warnings are not "theoretical speculations" but cautions based on historical evidence.

David J. Gall
Gall Aerospace
Re: Spring Fling

Sam Hoskins
 

Looks good for me.

Sam H.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Boddicker trumanst@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Listers,
Once again I plan to host the Spring Fling with the assistance of Fisher and Crouch.
The weekend I have picked is May 19-21, 2017.
That time frame has the least conflicts that I know of.
So get it on your calendars!
Please let me know if you plan to attend or not.
Hope to see everyone there, a good time will be had by all.
As long as I can keep from, we'll you know.

All the best,

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 410 hrs
Luana, IA
Re: Spring Fling

Bruce Crain
 

Re: Spring Fling

Kevin Boddicker
 

I've got everything you will need
Kevin


On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I can't get my guitar or piano in the Q!  I would have to build a really big pod!  Somebody bring a guitar and I will attempt it.  No my booking agent doesn't have to know!  It will be "Pro-Bono".
"Rock the Hanger Bubba"!
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Spring Fling
Date: 13 Feb 2017 17:29:24 +0000

 

I am sure the turnout will be much higher if Bruce can promise he will sing a solo in Kevin's hangar :-)

Could not resist.  Small but finite chance I will be there.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building

 



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Re: Spring Fling

Kevin Boddicker
 

What Paul said. 


On Feb 13, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Bruce,
You are welcome to assume that, but it would be wrong!  ;-)  

We will all be in Decorah (KDEH) in northeast Iowa.  I'm glad you are considering attending!!

Paul

On Feb 13, 2017 09:13, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Is it  safe to assume it will be at Davenport Airport?
"Assuming Bruce"


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Kevin Boddicker trumanst@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Spring Fling
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:44:29 -0600

 

Listers,
Once again I plan to host the Spring Fling with the assistance of Fisher and Crouch.
The weekend I have picked is May 19-21, 2017.
That time frame has the least conflicts that I know of.
So get it on your calendars!
Please let me know if you plan to attend or not.
Hope to see everyone there, a good time will be had by all.
As long as I can keep from, we'll you know.

All the best,

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 410 hrs
Luana, IA

 



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Re: Foam

Brad Walker
 

I've tried to stay out of this discussion but just can't resist. 8-)

I lurk on this list because I want to build a Q-200, so I'm learning as I get my affairs in order.

Going back to the original question about glueing foam blocks together. I don't really have a problem with you experimenting. Matter of fact, I would encourage it. After all, it's called experimental for a reason. But, there are several things to think about.

1 - If you are deviating from the plans and this is purely a mental exercise, you should really just stop right there. You are wasting peoples time and getting everyone frustrated. Not helpful to your cause.

2 - If you deviate from the plans, then you need to make sure your engineering is rock solid. Design your idea, test your idea, refine your idea, rinse, and then repeat.. Do this a few times. Otherwise, someone is likely to get hurt. I trust the plans because they came from a professional aeronautical engineer, Rutan, and have stood the test of time. It's well understood and I can draw on lots of peoples advice.

3 - You have to ask yourself are you an engineer or a builder? I do s/w & h/w engineering professionally for many companies. I can very quickly work through problems and get them implemented. I've looked at and done some simple design work on aero structures. It's a slow process that takes time to do correct. It's fun to do and satisfies my mental curiosity. But, at the end of the day, it does take time away from organizing my shop, looking for a kit/project to purchase, etc. So I say to myself, is it better to spend the time designing a new process to glue blocks together or to actually build something? Usually the answer, for me, is it is better to be building or working on my composite techniques.

4 - Lastly, people will strongly discourage you because they don't want to see people perish for an avoidable reason/s. If you stick to the plans, you will get a result that is well understood and reproducible. Your pilot skills and risk level might still get you killed. But, at least the plane won't come apart on you while flying.

Hope my comments help.

-brad w.





On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Yes, must be our brothers keepers. I have had THREE Quickie friends die in their aircraft, and the are plenty more whom I didn't personally know.

So when I see someone going off on some untried tangent, it raises my red flags. But like Jim, at least I can take some comfort in knowing that the chances are  99.9% the aircraft will never get as far as a test flight.

Plus, discussions of untried ideas really tends to waste everybody's time. Personally, I don't mind if people contact me directly for a quick answer, then everybody else doesn't have to look at it.

Sam

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On Feb 14, 2017 12:15 AM, "afarr afarr@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 
We are all amateurs, and of course we can follow any advice from any source that we want - as adults we pick and choose and make informed choices.  This list isn't the thought police, and we are not our brothers keepers.
Re: Spring Fling

Bruce Crain
 

Re: Foam

Sam Hoskins
 

Yes, must be our brothers keepers. I have had THREE Quickie friends die in their aircraft, and the are plenty more whom I didn't personally know.

So when I see someone going off on some untried tangent, it raises my red flags. But like Jim, at least I can take some comfort in knowing that the chances are  99.9% the aircraft will never get as far as a test flight.

Plus, discussions of untried ideas really tends to waste everybody's time. Personally, I don't mind if people contact me directly for a quick answer, then everybody else doesn't have to look at it.

Sam

Sent via wireless Gizmo.

On Feb 14, 2017 12:15 AM, "afarr afarr@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

We are all amateurs, and of course we can follow any advice from any source that we want - as adults we pick and choose and make informed choices.  This list isn't the thought police, and we are not our brothers keepers.




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Re: Foam

Allan Farr
 

We are all amateurs, and of course we can follow any advice from any source that we want - as adults we pick and choose and make informed choices.  This list isn't the thought police, and we are not our brothers keepers.




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Re: Weight and Balance of N33QR

britmcman99
 

I am very sensitive about my weight!  How many of us have any "weight reduction" numbers having removed vacuum pump, vacuum hoses, filter, and all
steam gages and swap for glass panel alternatives? 

Phil



On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Mike Dwyer q2pilot@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Wow that's a heavy Q200.  90 lbs more than mine.  And with a gu canard.   Better make every landing a squeeker.

Mike Q200 N3QP


On Feb 13, 2017 11:37 AM, "mskiby@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 


Good Morning all.  We had the opportunity to weigh the plane yesterday and the following is the chart we attained.  I would appreciate any of you that have comment to let me know.  We have a GU Canard on this Q200 so the CG range is a bit different than the LS Canard.





Empty Weight                     		  













Weight

          













         Arm (in)                 		          












           Moment












CG












               Weight












       Arm












       Moment
        Right 359 38.625 13866.375
Aircraft 727 40.98 29792.46 Left 358 38.625 13827.75
Oil 10 5 50 Tail 10 210.125 2101.25
Header Fuel 30 24 720
Fuel Main 120 44.6 5352 Total 727 29795.375
Pilot  200 59.5 11900
Passenger 0 59.5 0 CG= 40.98400963
Baggage 0 78 0
Ballast 0 119.75 0
Totals: 1087   47814.46    



Re: Foam

Jay Scheevel
 

HI Jim,

Nice you know you are still monitoring the group. I am not very modern, but I am getting very close to moving from "speculating" to  "reporting" status. Stay tuned.... Hope you are well.

Cheers,
Jay
Re: Foam

JMasal@...
 

A nice liberal idea except that an unsuspecting amateur following another experimenting amateur can get killed or damaged.
So... the experimenter ought to be required to vett himself with his background of experience,engineering or otherwise and report
on actual +or-- experience not just speculate for others to emulate.
I'd like to see just ONE speculator finish and fly an airplane (I've been waiting 30+ years), with modern materials and ideas.


let everyone and anyone comment about anything Q related. Let's not be precious about it,  the group needs livening up.




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Re: Weight and Balance of N33QR

Martin Skiby
 

Great,  Thanks,

We are good to go it seems.  Thanks Jay.  Your the best.  Let me know if you want to pull the trigger and buy the TriQ for training!!!  hahahaha
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Re: Weight and Balance of N33QR

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Martin,

Sent you the corrected version offline and am replacing the one in the files section with the correct version that has the GU limit posted on it, along with the LS-1 limits.

Cheers,
Jay
Re: Spring Fling

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:30 PM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I can't get my guitar or piano in the Q!  I would have to build a really big pod!  Somebody bring a guitar and I will attempt it.  No my booking agent doesn't have to know!  It will be "Pro-Bono".
"Rock the Hanger Bubba"!
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Spring Fling
Date: 13 Feb 2017 17:29:24 +0000

 

I am sure the turnout will be much higher if Bruce can promise he will sing a solo in Kevin's hangar :-)

Could not resist.  Small but finite chance I will be there.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building

 



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Re: Weight and Balance of N33QR

Martin Skiby
 

Jay,  I made some adjustments to your sheet.  Main and header tank were swapped I believe.  I also added the GU canard to the chart.  Uploaded for your review.

Thanks again for the help.  Looks like we are in good shape on the weights.
Re: Weight and Balance of N33QR

Martin Skiby
 

Your sheet is so much better!,,

Thanks Jay!!
Re: Weight and Balance of N33QR

Martin Skiby
 

I sent you the Excel sheet.  I have done that already, but did not attach it to the numbers earlier.

Thanks Jay.  
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