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Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

This aircraft (ARES) has been modified a few times to be a test bed for a number of systems. It has been observed a few times moving in and out of Paul Allen's hangar in Washington. It has over 300 hours on the airframe. The registration lapsed at the end of 2016, so may be non-flying status. The registration was still listed with Scaled Composites, but since Paul Allen is a part owner of Scaled, that may have been a formality. Would love to see it fly at an airshow. Maybe Jerry Marstall can buy it from Paul Allen, since JM is single pilot jet rated!

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Martin Skiby
 

Now here is a project that would be fun to tackle.  Too bad there are no plans anywhere!!!!  Getting the gun would be a challenge however.  Too bad the military would not even try it out.  I guess it was not expensive enough!!



Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Awesome. Never knew about it.



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From: "jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 2/19/17 9:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

 

Richard,

Don't let Burt hear that you have forgotten about his most outstanding (and successfully flight tested) composite jet canard, the ARES. Maybe you could get one of these for your museum!

https://youtu.be/zG9LlHcX8lg

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Richard Thomson
 


Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Ryszard Zadow
 

If you’re talking about Bill Sylva.. that’s a T-58 powered Viggen and it’s yet to fly.

 

There’s one in France with two Micro-Turbos on it and it doesn’t’ fly much it at all anymore.

 

Either way.. the only successfully flying COMPOSITE canard homebuilt is the CozyJet.

 

I wish NAMES were displayed on these emails so I knew who was spouting this stuff.. sign your name please!

 

Ryszard

 

 

From: mylittlemgb@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:39 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

 

 

It is still flying based in Hollister, CA as I remember to was built in the mid 80's in an interview with Sylvia at Oshkosh years ago early 90's the range was like 1200 nm. But regardless it is the oldest and longest flying Rutan designed aircraft that has been converted to a jet and would be a better fit for the museum then the Cozy jet.

 


Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Ryszard Zadow
 

< Perhaps not fully Composite…>

 

So what’s your point? The criteria was “composite canard … jet”. Why not suggest a Lear Jet with the disclaimer “Perhaps not fully Composite..”

 

I am well aware of the jet-Viggen.. how long has it been consistently flying? How many hours are on it? 1000 lbs useful load? Seriously? What’s its range?

 

I’m fairly confident my statement was very accurate.

 

Ryszard Zadow

Founder and President, Rutan Aircraft Flying Experience

Waller County Aviation Museum

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From: 'richard@...' richard@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:39 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

 

 

Well I think you are both wrong,  You seem to forget the Jet powered VariViggen, N31GC, with around 1000 lbs useful load. Perhaps not fully Composite but great utility. 

 Must get mine finished sometime. 

Richard Thomson

UK. 

 

 

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Re: NTSB report Jet powered Quickie

Tommy Castleman
 

Wow.... 

This is interesting to me because last semester I had a discussion with a fellow NASA intern about putting jet engines on a quickie. When we were having that discussion, I did not know about this airplane. I thought it was a bad idea, and that it would be easier/better to redesign the aircraft. I even laughed at him, because he kept going on about how "easy" it is to put R/C jet engines on a quickie (he didn't know much about the airplane).

I was very surprised to see that someone had actually done it. When we had that discussion, the plane had not yet flown. Although, I would still consider the addition of the extra fuel tanks a redesign.

I have to give a lot of credit to Elliot Seguin, though. He had an idea, and did more than talk about how cool it would be. He actually built and flew it. It's unfortunate that it did not go past a third flight, but thankfully he survived. I'm sure he will sit down and do a thorough "lessons learned," before attempting anything new. I would be interested to see what his next idea is!

I must say.... Sometimes I can be a tiny bit superstitious. Maybe perhaps he "cursed" the project by calling the airplane a "twerp." No offense.

twerp



nounSlang.
1.
an insignificant or despicable fellow:
Her father thinks her boyfriend is just a twerp.



Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Richard Thomson
 


Re: NTSB report Jet powered Quickie

David J. Gall
 

All respect and kudos to Mr. Seguin, however, trying to expand the envelope to crosswind landings (15 to 18 kts direct x-wind) on flight number three with 0.8 hours on the airplane is ... well ... dumb. Even if the "airframe" (Q1) is a "known quantity," the new power plants made it a whole new airplane. The downwind (lee side) engine flamed out? Look at the configuration and tell us you couldn't have foreseen that.

Then again, I seem to recall more than one report of a Q1 being unable to recover from a low altitude roll/yaw resulting in ground contact in an undesirable aircraft state ("crash"). Eh, Jimmeh?

ALL envelope expansion, including yaw conditions, should be extensively investigated AT ALTITUDE before being employed as an operational requirement (i.e. crosswind landing *requires* some amount of yaw/slip). Translation: try some slips at altitude before deliberately *needing* them for a crosswind landing. "Discover" that the lee side engine will flame out in a slip while you have sufficient altitude to recover, not on deliberate crosswind landing attempt number one. At least know the engine-out characteristics before *planning* to do touch-and-goes! Sheesh.

Remember, this is Experimental Aviation and it is incumbent on each of us, however many Quickies have flown before, to test fly OUR new Quickie/Q2/Q200/Q-baru/Q-whatever as though it was the first one ever built. When you bought the kit you signed up to be a test pilot - act like one or hire one. (Try SETP.org)

I hope we all learned from this....


Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Richard,

Don't let Burt hear that you have forgotten about his most outstanding (and successfully flight tested) composite jet canard, the ARES. Maybe you could get one of these for your museum!

https://youtu.be/zG9LlHcX8lg

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Q2 coming back to life

mylittlemgb@...
 

Well engine is now back on just have to remember how all the controls hooked up. Still have to replace ALL of the fuel lines and repair some minor hanger rash. With weather like this for a bit we just might make SNF and the spring fling. Fingers crossed and safety first.

Richard


Re: Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Ryszard Zadow
 

The CozyJet is STILL the worlds only successfully flying composite-canard jet.

 

 

Sincerely,

Ryszard Zadow

Founder and President

Rutan Aircraft Flying Experience

Waller County Aviation Museum

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From: Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Quickie List
Subject: [Q-LIST] Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

 

 

Thanks to Pat P. for the heads up.

 

http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/34_3/exploring/High-Desert-Tales-Scary-Stuff_21769-1.html

Sam

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NTSB report Jet powered Quickie

Sam Hoskins
 

Here is the beginning of the story.

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20160513X30806&key=1
Sam

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Here's what happened to the jet powered Quickie

Sam Hoskins
 

Thanks to Pat P. for the heads up.

http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/34_3/exploring/High-Desert-Tales-Scary-Stuff_21769-1.html
Sam

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Re: Tip up canopy gas struts

britmcman99
 

It must be the season for gas struts. I just bought from Amazon a 2 pack of Truck Lifters 27.5 extended 15.6 compressed 38 pounds force for 36.95 to get free shipping I added a few items. 

Phil


On Feb 18, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I finally got around to replacing the gas struts that hold my canopy up.  The old ones were just weak enough to let the canopy slam down on your head at an inopportune moment.  Guess how I know that!  I think this is only the second time I have changed them, so it was time.

In case anyone is interested, I replaced them with p/n H9500-80 from orrorr.com. They fit perfectly and now actually hold the canopy open.

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF, ~1620 hours over almost 27 years


Tip up canopy gas struts

Paul Fisher
 

I finally got around to replacing the gas struts that hold my canopy up.  The old ones were just weak enough to let the canopy slam down on your head at an inopportune moment.  Guess how I know that!  I think this is only the second time I have changed them, so it was time.

In case anyone is interested, I replaced them with p/n H9500-80 from orrorr.com. They fit perfectly and now actually hold the canopy open.

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF, ~1620 hours over almost 27 years


Edvac throttle body

mylittlemgb@...
 

Well the old Revmaster is back on 350JD but have come across an issue on the carb. This carb is an Edvac and I have never worked with one. Looks much like the Revflow but I would rather not assume. Wendy and I are working hard to hopefully fly this bird to SNF and the Spring Fling so any info on the carb unit will be appreciated.

Richard


Re: Foam

JMasal@...
 

Not well, Jay, but still capable of getting "steamed"


-----Original Message-----
From: jay@... [Q-LIST]
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2017 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Foam

 
HI Jim,

Nice you know you are still monitoring the group. I am not very modern, but I am getting very close to moving from "speculating" to  "reporting" status. Stay tuned.... Hope you are well.

Cheers,
Jay


Re: Foam

Brad Walker
 

Works for me.. 8-)

-brad w.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:40 AM, David@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

In other words, the experiment has already been conducted and it was a failure resulting in the death of the experimenter. End of discussion ... please?


Re: Foam

David J. Gall
 

In other words, the experiment has already been conducted and it was a failure resulting in the death of the experimenter. End of discussion ... please?

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