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Re: Ready for your help, Kevin

Kevin Boddicker
 

I've been turkey hunting. Jay has been partaking of the legal herb in Colorado!!!


On Apr 23, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Jerry Marstall jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Kevin asked me to respond for him. "YES! I'll even bring my own sandpaper".



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Date: 4/23/17 1:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [Q-LIST] Ready for your help, Kevin [1 Attachment]

 

Hey Kevin B,

I am starting to fill and sand the fuselage and wings. Should I prepare the guest bedroom for your visit so you can help me? 


Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building



Re: Ready for your help, Kevin [1 Attachment]

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks "Kevin"  :-)  Making progress, Jerry. Still looking good for completion this summer.

Cheers,
Jay


Re: Ready for your help, Kevin [1 Attachment]

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Kevin asked me to respond for him. "YES! I'll even bring my own sandpaper".



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-------- Original message --------
From: "jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 4/23/17 1:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Ready for your help, Kevin [1 Attachment]

 

Hey Kevin B,

I am starting to fill and sand the fuselage and wings. Should I prepare the guest bedroom for your visit so you can help me? 


Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building



Ready for your help, Kevin

Jay Scheevel
 

Hey Kevin B,

I am starting to fill and sand the fuselage and wings. Should I prepare the guest bedroom for your visit so you can help me? 


Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building



[Dragonflylist] 2 quickies for sale

One Sky Dog
 

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Date: April 17, 2017 at 2:24:35 PM MDT
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Subject: [Dragonflylist] 2 quickies for sale
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For anyone interested in Quickie 1.  I have two Quickies, 1 is a record holder for class C.1. a/o , straight line distance 777.541 sm, april 9,1987, also 15/25 Km speed 146.19 mph, July 27, 1988. This plane was first owned by Norman E. Howell N17UQ with a Rotax 503 engin with new prop. The second is in uncertified but is in good condition , It was certified at one time , I have a rotary 40 hp engine set up for aircraft use. It is a XF 40 , manufactured by Woelfle Engineering, and a prop. I would be interested in talking to interested buyers. Phone 620-910-7139, Home phone 620-285-2310 , E-Mail  studemichael@...,   located Garfield Kansas       

 

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Re: Seen on DflyList: Quickie(s) for sale

agatgs@...
 

Michael,

I tried searching for DFlyList and have been unable to locate.

What dollar figures are you looking for?

Thanks, Tom Smith / agatgs@...


Re: Engine installation

Allan Farr
 

I have a Rotax 912 in my Titan Tornado.  The good thing about it is the ability to use an inflight adjustable prop, it would really suit a Q.




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Re: Engine installation

Patrick Panzera
 

Since the 2100D, Revmaster has lost some weight by ditching the heavy dual mags and going solid state. It also picked up a few ccs going to 2332. 

The prop flange has always been included in the weight of the Revmaster, so is the complete induction system and starter. 

There's not much to add, save oil, fuel, and 12 volts for the starter - and the engine is running. 

The only thing omitted is the exhaust, as with things like an engine mount, cowl, baffles, prop and spinner, those are all airframe specific and the weights will vary.

Pat

On Apr 19, 2017 7:45 PM, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Hey Pat,
170 seems a bit on the light side but then you factor in perhaps a prop flange and oil (I don't remember the number of quarts it holds.  It has been a lot of years since I dabbled) and maybe a few other aftermarket things it might add up.  I had a 2100D Revmaster way back when.
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Patrick Panzera editor@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:25:08 -0700

 

According to their website, it's only 170 lbs.

http://revmasteraviation.com/

Pat

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:48 AM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

 

Did I get it wrong?  It's  been years since I looked into that subject.  What is  your take Pat?
Bruce

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To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 06:47:29 -0700

 

 

Hi Bruce, 
 
I'm just wondering how you came up with 207 lbs for the Revmaster? 
 
Thanks! 
 
Pat


On Apr 18, 2017 8:04 PM, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

 

With an engine that weighs only 167 lbs and putting out 107 hp you should have a rocket!  You're a good 75 lbs lighter than the Continental 0200 and 40 lbs lighter than the Revmaster!  If the rest of the air frame is light and straight.  You might be able to put the battery next to the PAX right calf if the weight and balance works out.  Don't the UL engines pick up the horse power by upping the rpm a bit say 2700 to 3000?  Jay Scheevel what say you about the engine center line?  Is there a good reason for that?  The float planes don't seem to be much interested in engine center line (see Sea Wind Aircraft).  If you end up cruising about 180 mph you could open up something new and exciting for the Quickie!
Got our eyes on you Bro!
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Re: Engine installation

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Re: Engine installation

Murry Rozansky
 

Might be total weight FWF? The UL engine weight looks like bare and dry. Really pinning down engine weights is difficult if you are not there to see what is included.
Murry
 

From: Patrick Panzera editor@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 6:25 PM
To: Q-LIST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
 
 

According to their website, it's only 170 lbs.

http://revmasteraviation.com/

Pat
 
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:48 AM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 
Did I get it wrong?  It's  been years since I looked into that subject.  What is  your take Pat?
Bruce

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From: "Patrick Panzera editor@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 06:47:29 -0700

 

Hi Bruce, 
 
I'm just wondering how you came up with 207 lbs for the Revmaster?
 
Thanks!
 
Pat
 
 
On Apr 18, 2017 8:04 PM, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

 

With an engine that weighs only 167 lbs and putting out 107 hp you should have a rocket!  You're a good 75 lbs lighter than the Continental 0200 and 40 lbs lighter than the Revmaster!  If the rest of the air frame is light and straight.  You might be able to put the battery next to the PAX right calf if the weight and balance works out.  Don't the UL engines pick up the horse power by upping the rpm a bit say 2700 to 3000?  Jay Scheevel what say you about the engine center line?  Is there a good reason for that?  The float planes don't seem to be much interested in engine center line (see Sea Wind Aircraft).  If you end up cruising about 180 mph you could open up something new and exciting for the Quickie!
Got our eyes on you Bro!
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Re: Engine installation

Patrick Panzera
 

According to their website, it's only 170 lbs.

http://revmasteraviation.com/

Pat

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:48 AM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Did I get it wrong?  It's  been years since I looked into that subject.  What is  your take Pat?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Patrick Panzera editor@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 06:47:29 -0700

 

Hi Bruce, 
 
I'm just wondering how you came up with 207 lbs for the Revmaster? 
 
Thanks! 
 
Pat


On Apr 18, 2017 8:04 PM, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

 

With an engine that weighs only 167 lbs and putting out 107 hp you should have a rocket!  You're a good 75 lbs lighter than the Continental 0200 and 40 lbs lighter than the Revmaster!  If the rest of the air frame is light and straight.  You might be able to put the battery next to the PAX right calf if the weight and balance works out.  Don't the UL engines pick up the horse power by upping the rpm a bit say 2700 to 3000?  Jay Scheevel what say you about the engine center line?  Is there a good reason for that?  The float planes don't seem to be much interested in engine center line (see Sea Wind Aircraft).  If you end up cruising about 180 mph you could open up something new and exciting for the Quickie!
Got our eyes on you Bro!
Bruce Crain
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Re: Engine installation

Jay Scheevel
 

There was recently a series of articles in KitPlanes about the Flying Flea and the issues associated with instability in the low speed range. The article mostly focused on the position of the CG relative to the rear wing and how moving that wing back in later models helped to stabilize it.

Notably, however there was also discussion about the vertical position of the CG (Water Line) and how interaction with the thrustline that came into play with respect to stability and controlability.

For most aircraft, the thrust line is designed to line up with the WL of the CG.If it is offset, there needs to be some flight surface accomodation incorporated that will compensate for the offset. In the case of float planes, this usually is done by factoring in the aerodynamic contribution of the floats or the hull design (for amphibians). The greater the offset, the more consideration is needed in aero design and also the less responsive and more resistant to instability the contol system needs to be. 

Ideally, from a response and efficiency standpoint, having the thrust-line WL the same as the CG gives the most responsive control surface efficiency and prevents mass/intertia related feedback. I think you will find that the Q2 thrust line (with the revmaster) is slightly higher than the O-200 (maybe an inch) as shown in the attached clip. Whether QAC did this because the heavier Q-200's overall CG is lower than the Q2 or simply to fit the engine into the airframe, I do not know. If it was done for aero engineering reasons, it would suggest that a lighter engine should be moved up, not down relative to the Q-200, or if it is lighter than the Revmaster, even higher.

Rather than making my brain hurt with analysis at the time, I left my thrust line for my lighter Jabiru engine (about 35 pounds lighter than the O-200) at the same WL as the O-200. All things considered, I do not think that an inch or so will be that noticeable, but that is just my current opinion...subject to change.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Seen on DflyList: Quickie(s) for sale

quickieaircraft
 

see below


studemichael
Apr 17 4:24 PM

For anyone interested in Quickie 1.  I have two Quickies, 1 is a record holder for class C.1. a/o , straight line distance 777.541 sm, april 9,1987, also 15/25 Km speed 146.19 mph, July 27, 1988. This plane was first owned by Norman E. Howell N17UQ with a Rotax 503 engin with new prop. The second is in uncertified but is in good condition , It was certified at one time , I have a rotary 40 hp engine set up for aircraft use. It is a XF 40 , manufactured by Woelfle Engineering, and a prop. I would be interested in talking to interested buyers. Phone 620-910-7139, Home phone 620-285-2310 , E-Mail  studemichael@...,   located Garfield Kansas       

 

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Re: Engine installation

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Engine installation

Patrick Panzera
 

Hi Bruce, 

I'm just wondering how you came up with 207 lbs for the Revmaster? 

Thanks! 

Pat


On Apr 18, 2017 8:04 PM, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

With an engine that weighs only 167 lbs and putting out 107 hp you should have a rocket!  You're a good 75 lbs lighter than the Continental 0200 and 40 lbs lighter than the Revmaster!  If the rest of the air frame is light and straight.  You might be able to put the battery next to the PAX right calf if the weight and balance works out.  Don't the UL engines pick up the horse power by upping the rpm a bit say 2700 to 3000?  Jay Scheevel what say you about the engine center line?  Is there a good reason for that?  The float planes don't seem to be much interested in engine center line (see Sea Wind Aircraft).  If you end up cruising about 180 mph you could open up something new and exciting for the Quickie!
Got our eyes on you Bro!
Bruce Crain
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Re: Engine installation

Murry Rozansky
 

Engine weights are difficult to pin down. Installed verses dry.  Does FWF include prop? Cowling? etc. UL and Jabaru both rate their engines at > 3000 rpm; that is why their power to weight looks better than O-200 and O-235(3). That means a smaller prop but that is not much of a negative on a clean, fast aircraft like a Q.  Any Rotax  four stroke engines on Qs? Being geared, they can swing a bigger prop and would be a bit of a challenge to prop correctly.
 
Murry
 

From: 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
 
 

With an engine that weighs only 167 lbs and putting out 107 hp you should have a rocket!  You're a good 75 lbs lighter than the Continental 0200 and 40 lbs lighter than the Revmaster!  If the rest of the air frame is light and straight.  You might be able to put the battery next to the PAX right calf if the weight and balance works out.  Don't the UL engines pick up the horse power by upping the rpm a bit say 2700 to 3000?  Jay Scheevel what say you about the engine center line?  Is there a good reason for that?  The float planes don't seem to be much interested in engine center line (see Sea Wind Aircraft).  If you end up cruising about 180 mph you could open up something new and exciting for the Quickie!
Got our eyes on you Bro!
Bruce Crain

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From: "johnogr@... [Q-LIST]"
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine installation
Date: 18 Apr 2017 22:58:26 +0000

 

Hi all
In short l am building a Q2 and not far from installing an UL260isa engine. It has been suggested that the engines center line be lowered by one and three eighths of an inch from the VW engine centre line as shown in the plans.
I am a little nervous about lowering the engine as I'm not shore what flight characteristics this may change.
As some of you have installed different sized and weight engines, what have others done.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Ray
OZ

 



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Re: Engine installation

Bruce Crain
 


Engine installation

Raymond Johnson
 

Hi all
In short l am building a Q2 and not far from installing an UL260isa engine. It has been suggested that the engines center line be lowered by one and three eighths of an inch from the VW engine centre line as shown in the plans.
I am a little nervous about lowering the engine as I'm not shore what flight characteristics this may change.
As some of you have installed different sized and weight engines, what have others done.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Ray
OZ


Re: Quickie Tri-Q200

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Jon,

I will echo what Imron said. I have about 600+ hours in a Cherokee 235 (old constant chord or "Hersey Bar" wing). It has the same power loading, and wing loading as the Q, so as a result, the pattern numbers are nearly the same as the Tri-Q-200.  If you do not use flaps, it lands at nearly the same speed as the Tri-Q. The Cherokee also has a laminar flow wing, that gives as very solid sink rate, once it gets at high angle of attack and has a limited flare and float at low airspeed in ground effect, but it does have a steeper approach than the Q because it is draggier.

You may want to give it a try if you can find one to fly. Other than those details, there is not much in common with a Q. In other words, the Cherokee ground handling is nothing like a Tri-Q and of course the sight picture is different for the pilot and the more sluggish handling in the air is nothing like a Q, but flying one may get you comfortable with approach speeds and the concept of "getting behind the curve", on a laminar flow wing which is a valuable lesson.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: Quickie Tri-Q200

Jay Scheevel
 

Jon,

My answer may not be that helpful to you because I have a Jabiru 3300 engine. But anyway, my alternator is a belt driven B&C 40 amp. The flywheel is on the back of the engine. It has a pulley mounted on it to drive the alternator.

Cheers,
Jay

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