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Re: Springfling wx

Paul Fisher
 

Ok, tell you what - I promise to have no impact what so ever on the weather between now and the Spring Fling flyin.  I feel pretty safe making that promise!!

I hope you will make it!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On May 13, 2017 9:48 AM, "Jerry Marstall jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Ok Fisher, don't tweak the wx any more. I can get there and back as forecast now.
Jerry


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Springfling wx

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Ok Fisher, don't tweak the wx any more. I can get there and back as forecast now.
Jerry


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Revmaster carburetor

 

Hi everyone,

Last week I had my Revmaster 2100d carb rebuilt and when I got it back, the throttle arm/housing/springs/screw stops, were on the top of the carb, and all of my control rods/cables are configured to have it on the bottom. Before I sent it off, that's were it was located. I hope the attached pictures help, if I'm not using the right lingo......

My question is: 

Can I unscrew the entire throttle arm + (stuff I mentioned above) and reverse it easily?  I'm having a hard time finding a diagram for the set up and I already called Joe at Revmaster. He said this is standard look/feel for the controls. Before I unscrew stuff, I'm looking for a little reassurance it'll be ok and easy (maybe not, but not complicated)

Thank you in advance for any info,

--
Do something today, your future self with thank you for,
 
Adrian Rogers

CalBRE# 01890975

Berkshire Hathaway Home Services
arogers@...
805-415-3600 cell


Forward Canopy Hinge

Kris <l_kris_browne@...>
 

I've been studying the plans for the forward hinging canopy. There is plenty of detail, but I can't seem to find any reference to the stock that the 2 aluminum hinges are cut from. There is an excellent layout showing the shape but no material call-out or material thickness? are these cut from 1/2" thick 2024T3?


Re: FW: Fire extinguisher

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Got'r done.



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Kevin Boddicker trumanst@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 5/6/17 10:18 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] FW: Fire extinguisher

 

Looks like someone needs to recharge the thing!!!



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    417 hrs
Luana, IA.



On May 3, 2017, at 4:41 PM, 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


Attached are two pictures of my automatic suppression system.  A 2.8lb bottle with two lines – one goes into the engine compartment and the other (pictured) into the cockpit.  Both have heat sensors like the one shown.  When the temperature reaches the setting for the sensor, the fire bottle is activated.

 

Today I flew to Hickory, NC to a fire extinguisher company that serves most of the SE.  They had some halon left over and were willing to work with me.  They met me at the airport and verified they could refill it.  

 

After 8 years, the halon had crystalized and froze the plunger in the “activate” position.  Which meant that I had to bleed the halon out by loosening the fittings.  Since it was low, it only took about 15-secs.  As the halon came out in a mist, it vaporized nearly instantly.  No puddles.  15 minute later we were on the way to their plant.

 

Back at the plant they replaced the plunger valve, cleaned the inside of the canister and refilled with 2 lbs of halon plus the requisite nitrogen.  Then they drove me back to the airport.  All of this cost me ZERO.  Yep, they were so interested in my installation and my charming personality that they simply told me “enjoy”.  My understanding is halon costs $60/lb, plus all of the labor (2hrs of conversation) and parts plus the personal Uber service.  I don’t run into deals like this very often.

 

I mentioned the discussion that has been going on with the list.  He confirmed that we don’t want any powder suppressants.  I then asked about the lethal effects of the halon stealing all of the oxygen.  I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mark Waddelo but this fellow indicated that it wouldn’t kill us, even in a cockpit.  

 

His position was that a 2 lb bottle will disperse very quickly.  In order to rob the fire of oxygen it must attack in full force.  Dispensing the suppressant out slowly would not evacuate sufficient oxygen to squelch a fire.  Yes, there will be no oxygen for that timeframe and lots of really bad odor from the halon.  

 

Since our cockpits aren’t airtight (at least not mine), the inflow of fresh air with oxygen will cycle by quite rapidly.  He would expect to experience difficulty breathing for a few seconds, but it would not be incapacitating.

 

I personally feel better with an automatic system.  Several of our accidents have terminated inverted.  On such occasions, it is questionable if the occupants will be in any condition to locate (if it isn’t bound down) or unbind the canister (if it is) and deploy the suppressant.  If I’m unconscious or pinned, I hope that when the flames start licking my pink little body, the automatic system is still conscious.

 

That’s all I know.

Jerry

 

From: Jerry Marstall [mailto:jnmarstall@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Jerry Marstall <jerrymarstall@...>
Cc: Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Subject: Fire extinguisher

 


Re: FW: Fire extinguisher [2 Attachments]

Kevin Boddicker
 

Looks like someone needs to recharge the thing!!!


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    417 hrs
Luana, IA.



On May 3, 2017, at 4:41 PM, 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


Attached are two pictures of my automatic suppression system.  A 2.8lb bottle with two lines – one goes into the engine compartment and the other (pictured) into the cockpit.  Both have heat sensors like the one shown.  When the temperature reaches the setting for the sensor, the fire bottle is activated.

 

Today I flew to Hickory, NC to a fire extinguisher company that serves most of the SE.  They had some halon left over and were willing to work with me.  They met me at the airport and verified they could refill it.  

 

After 8 years, the halon had crystalized and froze the plunger in the “activate” position.  Which meant that I had to bleed the halon out by loosening the fittings.  Since it was low, it only took about 15-secs.  As the halon came out in a mist, it vaporized nearly instantly.  No puddles.  15 minute later we were on the way to their plant.

 

Back at the plant they replaced the plunger valve, cleaned the inside of the canister and refilled with 2 lbs of halon plus the requisite nitrogen.  Then they drove me back to the airport.  All of this cost me ZERO.  Yep, they were so interested in my installation and my charming personality that they simply told me “enjoy”.  My understanding is halon costs $60/lb, plus all of the labor (2hrs of conversation) and parts plus the personal Uber service.  I don’t run into deals like this very often.

 

I mentioned the discussion that has been going on with the list.  He confirmed that we don’t want any powder suppressants.  I then asked about the lethal effects of the halon stealing all of the oxygen.  I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mark Waddelo but this fellow indicated that it wouldn’t kill us, even in a cockpit.  

 

His position was that a 2 lb bottle will disperse very quickly.  In order to rob the fire of oxygen it must attack in full force.  Dispensing the suppressant out slowly would not evacuate sufficient oxygen to squelch a fire.  Yes, there will be no oxygen for that timeframe and lots of really bad odor from the halon.  

 

Since our cockpits aren’t airtight (at least not mine), the inflow of fresh air with oxygen will cycle by quite rapidly.  He would expect to experience difficulty breathing for a few seconds, but it would not be incapacitating.

 

I personally feel better with an automatic system.  Several of our accidents have terminated inverted.  On such occasions, it is questionable if the occupants will be in any condition to locate (if it isn’t bound down) or unbind the canister (if it is) and deploy the suppressant.  If I’m unconscious or pinned, I hope that when the flames start licking my pink little body, the automatic system is still conscious.

 

That’s all I know.

Jerry

 

From: Jerry Marstall [mailto:jnmarstall@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Jerry Marstall <jerrymarstall@...>
Cc: Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Subject: Fire extinguisher

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Fire extinguisher location

David J. Gall
 

Jimmeh, I don't know what killed Marc Waddellow either, but I can surmise based on these excerpts from the Halon 1301 MSDS and the circumstances of his death in his basement that Halon exposure may have contributed:

"Inhalation: Vapour is heavier than air and can cause suffocation by reducing oxygen available for breathing. Breathing very high concentrations of vapour can cause lightheadedness, giddiness, shortness of breath, and may lead to narcosis, cardiac irregularities, unconsciousness or even death."

"Self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece and protective clothing when re-entering unventilated fire areas where product has been used."

"Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by Exposure: Cardiac problems."

"Respiratory Protection (Specify Type): Not normally necessary if controls are adequate. For high concentrations exceeding 10%, or if exposure is prolonged, use positive pressure air-supplied respirator."

"Ventilation: Local Exhaust: Recommended to control exposures. See mechanical."

"Ventilation: Mechanical (General): Recommended in low areas or indoors where vapours may collect."

"Eye Protection: Chemical goggles recommended. Full faceshield in addition if splashing of liquid form is possible."

Took about 13 seconds to find that on Google, by the way....


Re: Fire extinguisher location

Richard Thomson
 


Re: Q-200 kit for sale

Lynn French
 

I do have a number of Tri-Q parts, but that is one of the aircraft I am keeping so I need to keep those parts. 
Thanks. 

Short & simple from my mobile 

On May 4, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Norm Parmley norm_parm@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

Do you have any TRI-Q parts?



From: "N142LF n142lf@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 10:37 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-200 kit for sale

 
Guys,
I have a collection of too much stuff and am trying to clean out one of my hangers. I don’t foresee the opportunity to get this kit completed, but it would definitely be a good start for someone else looking to get a jump start on one.
Give me a shout offline if you are interested.
Thanks
L. French
 
 
Q-200 Kit. Immaculate build with all wing and structural components completed. Excellent workmanship by experienced builder. Firewall has been fitted for an O-200 but no engine or instruments included. Many of the standard QBA mod improvements have been incorporated. Includes fuselage, canopy, cowling, tail cone, rigging, plans, templates, and other major kit components. An excellent kit for someone wanting a great start at building a Q-200.
 
L. James French
402-606-1553
 
 
 



Re: Fire extinguisher location

JMasal@...
 

Really, Richard, you KNOW what happened to Marc Waddelow?? Where'd you get that?
Richard



-----Original Message-----
From: fastlittleairplanes@... [Q-LIST]
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Wed, May 3, 2017 6:57 am
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Fire extinguisher location

 
You definitely don't want a Halon unit. If you are stuck fighting an in flight fire the Halon will take take the air out of the cockpit and it won't be the fire that gets you at that point. This is what happen to Marc Waddelow in a large room his own home the small cockpit of the Q would take even less.

Richard


Re: Q-200 kit for sale

Norm Parmley <norm_parm@...>
 

Do you have any TRI-Q parts?



From: "N142LF n142lf@... [Q-LIST]"
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 10:37 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-200 kit for sale

 
Guys,
I have a collection of too much stuff and am trying to clean out one of my hangers. I don’t foresee the opportunity to get this kit completed, but it would definitely be a good start for someone else looking to get a jump start on one.
Give me a shout offline if you are interested.
Thanks
L. French
 
 
Q-200 Kit. Immaculate build with all wing and structural components completed. Excellent workmanship by experienced builder. Firewall has been fitted for an O-200 but no engine or instruments included. Many of the standard QBA mod improvements have been incorporated. Includes fuselage, canopy, cowling, tail cone, rigging, plans, templates, and other major kit components. An excellent kit for someone wanting a great start at building a Q-200.
 
L. James French
402-606-1553
 
 
 



Re: Fire extinguisher location

Martin Skiby
 

Yes I put out a 210 once on fire and the powder was a mess.  But we got the fire out!!  It was on the ground and just had a new motor put in it.  Sad


Q-200 kit for sale

Lynn French
 

Guys,

I have a collection of too much stuff and am trying to clean out one of my hangers. I don’t foresee the opportunity to get this kit completed, but it would definitely be a good start for someone else looking to get a jump start on one.

Give me a shout offline if you are interested.

Thanks

L. French

 

https://sites.google.com/view/n142lf/q-200-kit-for-sale

 

Q-200 Kit. Immaculate build with all wing and structural components completed. Excellent workmanship by experienced builder. Firewall has been fitted for an O-200 but no engine or instruments included. Many of the standard QBA mod improvements have been incorporated. Includes fuselage, canopy, cowling, tail cone, rigging, plans, templates, and other major kit components. An excellent kit for someone wanting a great start at building a Q-200.

 

L. James French

AV8R_Bum@...

402-606-1553

 

 

 


Re: FW: Fire extinguisher

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Thanks Jim,

What an awful way to go. 

He truly had no options.

J

 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:05 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: FW: Fire extinguisher

 

 

Jerry,

As usual, thanks for clearing things up. Speculation is simply that. Real world is where we operate. I will keep my Halon unit. Haven't had to use it yet, hope I never will. We had a friend burn up on his second flight two years ago. He jumped from 1,500'. Had severe burns all over his body. Not a good way to go.

Regards,
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: FW: Fire extinguisher

Jim Patillo
 

Jerry,

As usual, thanks for clearing things up. Speculation is simply that. Real world is where we operate. I will keep my Halon unit. Haven't had to use it yet, hope I never will. We had a friend burn up on his second flight two years ago. He jumped from 1,500'. Had severe burns all over his body. Not a good way to go.

Regards,
Jim
N46JP Q200


FW: Fire extinguisher

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Attached are two pictures of my automatic suppression system.  A 2.8lb bottle with two lines – one goes into the engine compartment and the other (pictured) into the cockpit.  Both have heat sensors like the one shown.  When the temperature reaches the setting for the sensor, the fire bottle is activated.

 

Today I flew to Hickory, NC to a fire extinguisher company that serves most of the SE.  They had some halon left over and were willing to work with me.  They met me at the airport and verified they could refill it. 

 

After 8 years, the halon had crystalized and froze the plunger in the “activate” position.  Which meant that I had to bleed the halon out by loosening the fittings.  Since it was low, it only took about 15-secs.  As the halon came out in a mist, it vaporized nearly instantly.  No puddles.  15 minute later we were on the way to their plant.

 

Back at the plant they replaced the plunger valve, cleaned the inside of the canister and refilled with 2 lbs of halon plus the requisite nitrogen.  Then they drove me back to the airport.  All of this cost me ZERO.  Yep, they were so interested in my installation and my charming personality that they simply told me “enjoy”.  My understanding is halon costs $60/lb, plus all of the labor (2hrs of conversation) and parts plus the personal Uber service.  I don’t run into deals like this very often.

 

I mentioned the discussion that has been going on with the list.  He confirmed that we don’t want any powder suppressants.  I then asked about the lethal effects of the halon stealing all of the oxygen.  I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mark Waddelo but this fellow indicated that it wouldn’t kill us, even in a cockpit. 

 

His position was that a 2 lb bottle will disperse very quickly.  In order to rob the fire of oxygen it must attack in full force.  Dispensing the suppressant out slowly would not evacuate sufficient oxygen to squelch a fire.  Yes, there will be no oxygen for that timeframe and lots of really bad odor from the halon. 

 

Since our cockpits aren’t airtight (at least not mine), the inflow of fresh air with oxygen will cycle by quite rapidly.  He would expect to experience difficulty breathing for a few seconds, but it would not be incapacitating.

 

I personally feel better with an automatic system.  Several of our accidents have terminated inverted.  On such occasions, it is questionable if the occupants will be in any condition to locate (if it isn’t bound down) or unbind the canister (if it is) and deploy the suppressant.  If I’m unconscious or pinned, I hope that when the flames start licking my pink little body, the automatic system is still conscious.

 

That’s all I know.

Jerry

 

From: Jerry Marstall [mailto:jnmarstall@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Jerry Marstall
Cc: Jerry Marstall
Subject: Fire extinguisher

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Fire extinguisher location

Mike Dwyer
 

I believe the powder type will wreck all your electronics.  That powder gets in everything and trashes it.  We had someone set one off in an Electronics Engineering lab and wow, what a mess it made.

Mike N3QP


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:27 AM, quickieaircraft@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I buckle the fire extinguisher into the passenger seat.  In case of passenger, you make the passenger hold it and it keeps them awake. The small fire extinguishers are mostly intended for small electrical fires.


I have the powder type (mostly baking soda). In a fire emergency, I think most people would trade "on fire" for "dusty".

Emron
TriQ200 ~20hrs.



Flight Report

Mike Dwyer
 

Today in West Central Florida was 90F on the ground and 85F at 1000 feet.  It was 91F in the cockpit.  I have a total of 5.5 hours on the newly honed cylinders and have not been below redline and above 1000 feet during the breakin period.  I plan to do 10 hours at redline.


As you can see I was buzzing up and down the beach.  Around Ft Desoto park (south part of the flight) I found 5 adult Dolphins cruising along in the shallow clear water with 1 baby.  Not far from there was hundreds of Sting Rays all clumped in a small bunch.  Doing 155K and turns around a point is hard on ya.  I was pulling a steady 1.6G for about 5 turns.  Plus that the point was moving as the Dolphins were swimming!  Try that on your next flight review.

Out in the Gulf of Mexico a half mile was a Coast Guard Helicopter practicing some kind of rescue.  The water was white under him as he hovered.   Sounds like the Gov is cutting the Coast Guard budget.  We need these guys for search and rescue.  Guess I'll be calling the Army to come find me one day?

I've been trying to monitor closely my oil consumption as I break in the engine.  After my last flight +1 day the measurements showed that I used 0.6qt for my 1.3 hr flight.  Then a week later the oil level was up showing I used 0.4qt.  I guess my oil cooler is slowly draining down as it sits and it's nearly impossible to measure oil consumption.  

It appears that the oil consumption rate was 1.25 Qt/HR at 1 hour TT, 0.75 Qt/HR at 2 hours TT, 0.29 Qt/HR at 4 hours TT and now at 5.5 its... going to have to wait till it cools down.  Prior to me doing the Cylinder hone I was at around .3 Qt/HR so I think I'm already better than I was and the engine is not broken in yet.

I could tell the wind was kicking up because toward the end of the flight I was getting beat around like a cork in a washing machine.  By the time I got back to the home drone the wind was 110 degrees at 12K gusting 17.  The best runway was 04, a 70 degree right crosswind.  Piece of cake landing.  I like right crosswinds.

Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200 




Re: Fire extinguisher location

Martin Skiby
 

My largest concern is more having a ground incident that would require the extinguisher.  If the plane is on fire in the air, the best thing to do it get it on the ground and get out of it.  I think we all agree here.  Having halon in the plane should a fire start may just provide some slowing of the spread until you can depart the plane.

My thoughts and 2 cents.


Re: Fire extinguisher location

Jay Scheevel
 

Nevermind Jerry,

I re-read your post and see that you also use Halon.

Cheers,
Jay

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