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Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Jim Patillo
 

Correction: “pumps directly from AUX tank to Header tank”

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Jim Patillo
 

Correction: “pumps gas directly from AUX tank to Header tank”

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Jim Patillo
 

Mathew I made a 6.8 gal Fiberglas AUX tank with fuel resistant quick disconnects and used a small on demand motor home fuel pump which pumps directly to the engine and internal baffles to prevent tank sloshing. This gives me a total of 27.1 gal.

I burn AUX off first. Pictures in files above. I’ve been across the country several times and it gives a lot of piece of mine. Tank is molded to lock in just aft of the pax bulkhead. Works great and tank weighs nothing. Can be installed and removed in 10 minutes.

Just a thought.

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Sold as parts

Larry Severson
 

Thank you.

 

 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
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To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Sold as parts

 

 

As I understand the regs, if the AW certificate was sent to FAA for any reason, decommissioned, wrecked, did not want the liability when done flying, etc,

the FAA will NOT issue another certificate, as they know exactly where the certificate is. It’s not lost or stolen or misplaced, it’s in OK City. That plane will not get a certificate again without lying to the FAA. They frown on such things.

 

I believe this to be true, but would deny it under oath!

 

  

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  445 hrs
Luana, IA.





On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

 

I'm no expert either, but my understanding is you have to show the AIRCRAFT was >50% built by amateurs in order to get a valid airworthiness certificate.  You have to show that YOU personally built more than 50% to get the repairman's certificate allowing you to sign off on annual condition inspections.  So it should be possible to show that the aircraft is eligible for an airworthiness certificate even if you didn't do the work.

 

Of course different FSDO offices may have different opinions, so you should check locally to see what they say.

 

All of this is for US residents.  I have no idea what the rules are in other parts of the world!!

 

Paul Fisher

Q-200 N17PF

 

On Dec 19, 2017 3:02 PM, "Norm Parmley norm_parm@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes, there are paths to flying that bird again. The rules say 51% if you are building. If you are using pieces of another project, and building a new project you have to build 51% of the "new" aircraft. If you are rebuilding a current project, and keeping the "N" number it will be hard to show you have built 51%.

I am no super authority on the subject. However, if you want to discuss with me, pleas call: 252-671-1567

 

Rgards,

Norm parmley

 

 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 2:40:52 PM EST, 'larry severson' larry2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

 

 

 

I see a few sales of Q2s as parts. Is there any way to put that plane in the air legally?

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Matthew Curcio
 

Thanks Sam - Duct tape will most definitely make it in my tool kit. My header tank is 5 gallons - I measured it. Over the summer I tested flows at take off angles and noted that while flow was drastically reduced as header level goes down it did still meat max requirements for the O-200. That said I have not tested this and I am leary of a go around scenario with the header tank level below full that is what is driving my 2 hour limitation. I am pretty nervous about running into airports with weird fuel availability (ive even ran into that in my amphib around ohio) - I'm going to ask around / call ahead prior to departure. I'm planning on staying on flight following as much as possible, unfortunately I don't have the transponder installion completed yet or certified which will make that a bit of a PITA. I'm going to advise departure, intended destination, and fuel on board with some friends / family as a secondary.


New job is fantastic. Working at Scaled Composites is every bit as dreamy as you might imagine. You're just surrounded by incredibly smart, hands on engineers who are basically all pilots and homebuilders as well. Its the closest thing to living at Air Venture you can get I would say. I'm working on the Stratolaunch airplane, which completed its first taxi test as of yesterday. Pretty cool to watch it out moving around and an added bonus is the big empty hangar while she was out means lots of space for us to fly RC airplanes around inside. Thanks for the advice and thanks for asking!



Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773




From: Q-LIST@... on behalf of Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Important Items for a Long Cross Country
 
 

Mathew,

I don't know the size of your header tank, but I fly until the main(s) are about empty, then I have the whole header in reserve.  In the cockpit, I use duct tape, water and a relief jug, pretty much in that order.

Out west, fuel stops are farther apart and sometimes the airports are unattended.  If you find yourself needing fuel and pick an airport off the chart, I suggest calling their Unicom 50 miles out or so to make sure fuel is available.  One place we stopped in Texas, you had to call the local sheriff's office and they sent an officer out to unlock the pump.

Flight following is very good to use and someone knows where you are most of the time. The other guy's suggestions are right on also.

How is the new job going?

Sam

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:33 AM Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.


Current List:


Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.




Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773


Re: Sold as parts

One Sky Dog
 

Kevin,

An FAA guy at the Salt Lake FSDO once said to our chapter "do not read any thing into the regulations that is not there".

Amateur Built is a category of aircraft that are unique. Before kits there was no 51% anything. There was and still is a thing called the primary builder, this person gets the airworthiness certificate. The actual airplane can be built by hundreds of people ( EAA One week wonder) but only registered by one. When you apply for a airworthiness certificate you have to convince the FAA or DAR that the airplane in question is amateur built. There is no requirement for you personally to build anything but you have to swear that you are the primary builder and it was not built by professionals.

In the eyes of the FAA an airplane is a pile of parts and a pile of paper that when married together has an airworthiness certificate and a registration. If the registration is returned to the FAA by cancelling or scrapping it is no longer an airplane just a pile of amateur built parts. There is nothing in the FAR's that prohibits reusing amateur parts to construct another airframe register it and apply for a new airworthiness inspection with you as the primary builder.

The repairmans certificate is another thing. You have to ask the DAR or FSDO for the form and convert nice him that you know enough about the construction to be able to perform an inspection. Usually this is determined by the inspector during the AWI. Being an A&P would qualify you.

Having said that there are plenty of FSDO people who use the 51% rule incorrectly. The rule actually was to determine if a kit resulted in an airplane that the major portion was not built by an amateur. Remember your local federal worker really does not care about you and your airplane. You are more work for him. Tell him you are the primary builder do not get into how much you built. Say the major portion was built by amateurs. When you fill out the form because you have a "kit" they want to know if professionals or amateurs built the components. Plans built is easy the form does not apply unless you had someone build your Lancair.

Kevin if you can find the FAR that prohibits reusing amateur built parts to construct another airplane I would like to read it.

Regards from sunny 60F AZ airport E 95,

One Sky Dog
Charlie Johnson
Dragonfly N187CD


On Dec 19, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Kevin Boddicker trumanst@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

As I understand the regs, if the AW certificate was sent to FAA for any reason, decommissioned, wrecked, did not want the liability when done flying, etc,
the FAA will NOT issue another certificate, as they know exactly where the certificate is. It’s not lost or stolen or misplaced, it’s in OK City. That plane will not get a certificate again without lying to the FAA. They frown on such things.

I believe this to be true, but would deny it under oath!

  
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  445 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


I'm no expert either, but my understanding is you have to show the AIRCRAFT was >50% built by amateurs in order to get a valid airworthiness certificate.  You have to show that YOU personally built more than 50% to get the repairman's certificate allowing you to sign off on annual condition inspections.  So it should be possible to show that the aircraft is eligible for an airworthiness certificate even if you didn't do the work.

Of course different FSDO offices may have different opinions, so you should check locally to see what they say.

All of this is for US residents.  I have no idea what the rules are in other parts of the world!!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Dec 19, 2017 3:02 PM, "Norm Parmley norm_parm@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Yes, there are paths to flying that bird again. The rules say 51% if you are building. If you are using pieces of another project, and building a new project you have to build 51% of the "new" aircraft. If you are rebuilding a current project, and keeping the "N" number it will be hard to show you have built 51%.
I am no super authority on the subject. However, if you want to discuss with me, pleas call: 252-671-1567

Rgards,
Norm parmley


On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 2:40:52 PM EST, 'larry severson' larry2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


 

I see a few sales of Q2s as parts. Is there any way to put that plane in the air legally?

 
 




Re: Sold as parts

Kevin Boddicker
 

As I understand the regs, if the AW certificate was sent to FAA for any reason, decommissioned, wrecked, did not want the liability when done flying, etc,
the FAA will NOT issue another certificate, as they know exactly where the certificate is. It’s not lost or stolen or misplaced, it’s in OK City. That plane will not get a certificate again without lying to the FAA. They frown on such things.

I believe this to be true, but would deny it under oath!

  
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  445 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


I'm no expert either, but my understanding is you have to show the AIRCRAFT was >50% built by amateurs in order to get a valid airworthiness certificate.  You have to show that YOU personally built more than 50% to get the repairman's certificate allowing you to sign off on annual condition inspections.  So it should be possible to show that the aircraft is eligible for an airworthiness certificate even if you didn't do the work.

Of course different FSDO offices may have different opinions, so you should check locally to see what they say.

All of this is for US residents.  I have no idea what the rules are in other parts of the world!!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Dec 19, 2017 3:02 PM, "Norm Parmley norm_parm@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Yes, there are paths to flying that bird again. The rules say 51% if you are building. If you are using pieces of another project, and building a new project you have to build 51% of the "new" aircraft. If you are rebuilding a current project, and keeping the "N" number it will be hard to show you have built 51%.
I am no super authority on the subject. However, if you want to discuss with me, pleas call: 252-671-1567

Rgards,
Norm parmley


On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 2:40:52 PM EST, 'larry severson' larry2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


 

I see a few sales of Q2s as parts. Is there any way to put that plane in the air legally?

 
 




Update on Quickie Builders Association / Quickheads website

Jon Matcho
 

The site has once again been brought down, but this time due to it being a target of some sort of hacking attempt.

 

We are looking into the issue and options for bringing back online in a protected environment.  One way or the other the site will come back online, even if it means migrating to a new operating platform.

 

I will keep everyone posted.

 

Once again, thank you for your patience.

 

Kindly,

Jon

 

 

 

 

Jon Matcho

 

Rebuilding Quickie Tri-Q200 N479E

Quickie Builders Association Administrator www.quickheads.com

Canard Zone Administrator www.canardzone.com

 

 

 


Re: Sold as parts

Richard Kaczmarek 3RD
 

It all depends on why they are being sold for parts and how much work you are wanting to do.


Re: Sold as parts

Paul Fisher
 

I'm no expert either, but my understanding is you have to show the AIRCRAFT was >50% built by amateurs in order to get a valid airworthiness certificate.  You have to show that YOU personally built more than 50% to get the repairman's certificate allowing you to sign off on annual condition inspections.  So it should be possible to show that the aircraft is eligible for an airworthiness certificate even if you didn't do the work.

Of course different FSDO offices may have different opinions, so you should check locally to see what they say.

All of this is for US residents.  I have no idea what the rules are in other parts of the world!!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Dec 19, 2017 3:02 PM, "Norm Parmley norm_parm@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Yes, there are paths to flying that bird again. The rules say 51% if you are building. If you are using pieces of another project, and building a new project you have to build 51% of the "new" aircraft. If you are rebuilding a current project, and keeping the "N" number it will be hard to show you have built 51%.
I am no super authority on the subject. However, if you want to discuss with me, pleas call: 252-671-1567

Rgards,
Norm parmley


On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 2:40:52 PM EST, 'larry severson' larry2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


 

I see a few sales of Q2s as parts. Is there any way to put that plane in the air legally?

 

 


Re: Sold as parts

Norm Parmley <norm_parm@...>
 

Yes, there are paths to flying that bird again. The rules say 51% if you are building. If you are using pieces of another project, and building a new project you have to build 51% of the "new" aircraft. If you are rebuilding a current project, and keeping the "N" number it will be hard to show you have built 51%.
I am no super authority on the subject. However, if you want to discuss with me, pleas call: 252-671-1567

Rgards,
Norm parmley


On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 2:40:52 PM EST, 'larry severson' larry2@... [Q-LIST] wrote:


 

I see a few sales of Q2s as parts. Is there any way to put that plane in the air legally?

 

 


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Robert Bounds
 

Matthew,
You need to mooch places to stay on your trip.  All you have to do is ask airplane guys and they’ll be glad to host you.  We have an extra bedroom and an empty hangar.  The runway here is 4800 x 60 and gas is $4.00.  I’m gone for Christmas but home after that.  I’m in southwest Nebraska 20 miles south of I-80.  Home airport is KGGF.  You’re welcome to stop here.
Bounds
308 352-6073
 

From: Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Important Items for a Long Cross Country
 
 

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.

 

Current List:

 

Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.

 

 

 

Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Sold as parts

Larry Severson
 

I see a few sales of Q2s as parts. Is there any way to put that plane in the air legally?

 

 


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

britmcman99
 

Bring some drinking water as you will need it to stay hydrated. Download Xavion from the App Store and pay for a month (around 10.00). 

Phil Lankford


On Dec 18, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.


Current List:


Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.




Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

One Sky Dog
 

Matthew,

I do not know your intended flight plan, however there is lots of military airspace in the southern US and lots of desert. Airports are far apart.

I have been to Mohave, and as far East as Wisconsin. I used to be based in Ogden Utah and have flown across AZ and NM plenty of high plateau areas with high passes.

My choice would be follow I-80 to Ogden then cut south TVY, Delta, Milford, Cedar City, St George, Lake Mead, Bullhead Az, to MHV. All under 10,000 and mostly close to civilization.

As far as equipment you might want to throw in a satellite based PLB especially if you have a 121.5 transponder. I went down less than 20 miles from my house and the transponder went off and no one came. Luckily I was in cell phone range.

Plan well change the plan as the flight conditions dictate. Have a good trip.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson


On Dec 18, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.


Current List:


Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.




Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Sam Hoskins
 

Mathew,

I don't know the size of your header tank, but I fly until the main(s) are about empty, then I have the whole header in reserve.  In the cockpit, I use duct tape, water and a relief jug, pretty much in that order.

Out west, fuel stops are farther apart and sometimes the airports are unattended.  If you find yourself needing fuel and pick an airport off the chart, I suggest calling their Unicom 50 miles out or so to make sure fuel is available.  One place we stopped in Texas, you had to call the local sheriff's office and they sent an officer out to unlock the pump.

Flight following is very good to use and someone knows where you are most of the time. The other guy's suggestions are right on also.

How is the new job going?

Sam


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:33 AM Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.


Current List:


Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.




Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Mike Dwyer
 

I made some wheel chocks out of the spare foam.  Real light and comes in handy because standard chocks don't work with the low wheel pants.  The plane sat chocked and tied down in Key West once with 55 mph winds and had no issues.  Not a bad idea to put a bungee cord to hold the control stick in place or maybe a control lock of some sort.

On Cross county's I carry a survival pack with a minimum of some space blankets, bug repellent, flash light, lighter or fire starter, compass...

I also carry a couple of quarts of oil because the FBO's want a crazy amount of $$$ for oil.

I also have a handheld EPIRB in leu of the standard 406 aircraft device.  See ResQLink.  The cool thing about this device is the batteries are replaceable by someone who can solder.  Makes it much cheaper to maintain than many other types...

I also look for the Airport Facility Directory - good runways.  Poor runways are hazardous to Q200's.  

Mike N3QP Q200


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.


Current List:


Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.




Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773



Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Important Items for a Long Cross Country

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Buy a Spot personal locator beacon.



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 12/18/17 4:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Important Items for a Long Cross Country

 

I'm getting ready to make a literal cross country to bring my Q200 out here to Mojave from my previous home airport in Ohio. I'm planning for <2 hour ~300 mile legs and I'm going to go south and around the rockies. Anywho, any Q specific items or tips you all might have for a long cross country? This will be my first time in any cross country venturing more than 3 states from Ohio.


Current List:


Warm clothes and blanket

water for 2 days and a couple of MRE's

Ipad and Iphone with foreflight for NAV and LA VFR sectional

3 Charging cables( for Ipad and Iphone and spare)

Handheld radio

tie downs (can be used for hand propping if need arises)

30ah Lipo battery back - lightweight and can be used for jumpstarting, backup source for charging nav devices, and added battery reserve for fuel pump (I ditched the hand pump in lieu of a redundant electric pump) in the event of an alternator failure.




Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773


Re: flight report

Bruce Crain
 

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