Re: Reflex
Thanks Jerry. That is partially on my to-do list and partially on my to-done list.
Cheers, Jay
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:47 AM To: 'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST] Cc: Jerry Marstall Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Reflex
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Time will tell, Richard, Time will tell.
I have an alternate setup on my reflexor. Two photos are worth a thousand words, so here you go:
Cheers, Jay
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Jay,
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Re: Reflex
quickieaircraft
Neat setup. (I am sure you are planning to enclose the leads.) Please take care with working on the reflexor. I think you will find that your left stick is just as powerful a control as the elevator if not more. Is that a throttle linkage sitting below it? I have a little bit of a tab on my reflexor and I prefer to fly with sleeves rolled up--I get nervous that a sleeve edge will catch on a handle when reaching past one control for the other. Dave Dugas's and Jerry Marstall have some of the tougher reflexor locations to accidentally bump. I doubt there will be much change in fuselage geometry due to thermal or structural loads, but I expect that your cable and its joints may stretch some initially. If you are able to integrate a spring around the turnbuckle to apply a pre-load in parallel to the cable, you might be able to reduce your maintenance load on that item. Just for reference, mine is a throttle-type cable glued to the interior wall of the fuselage. IE, a push pull cable inside a ribbed metal sleeve. It is wired to a lever arm that has a decent amount of friction against a phenolic block that has a step or two machined in it so it the lever "clicks" into place at either end and at neutral. -if
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 7:52:14 AM CDT, Jerry Marstall jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST]
Note. All controls linkeages passing through the baggage area need to be shrouded. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> Date: 3/19/18 5:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Reflex Time will tell, Richard, Time will tell.
I have an alternate setup on my reflexor. Two photos are worth a thousand words, so here you go:
Cheers, Jay
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Jay,
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Re: Reflex
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Note. All controls linkeages passing through the baggage area need to be shrouded. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> Date: 3/19/18 5:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Reflex Time will tell, Richard, Time will tell.
I have an alternate setup on my reflexor. Two photos are worth a thousand words, so here you go:
Cheers, Jay
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Jay,
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Re: Reflex
Time will tell, Richard, Time will tell.
I have an alternate setup on my reflexor. Two photos are worth a thousand words, so here you go:
Cheers, Jay
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 12:52 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Reflex
Jay,
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Re: Reflex
Jay,
Do you fly as well as you calculate :-) ?? Well gang, Does everyone have the studs in the phenolic ring for stops ? and how much friction has everyone got a) at the cockpit lever & b) at the Donut lever ? ( yes I know some have got vernier adjustment). Rich T UK.
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Re: Q-born at last
quickieaircraft
Terrific news!
Best, IF
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Re: Q-born at last
That's really great Jerry! Back in the saddle again. Very happy to hear you are both healing and flying. Cheers, Jay "'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote: My body, the Q and the weather all aligned today to usher in my first Q flight since August when I face-planted into a mountain off my motorcycle.
I just finished the condition inspection and was ready to go. Fortunately, it was totally uneventful except for the wonderful thrill it was to be back in the air in the Q again. The Q cockpit is a special place to be.
Surprisingly, my flying skills (or lack of) seemed to not have deteriorated sufficiently to scare me any more than they usually do. I am sure it helped that Nancy would periodically take me flying so I could “see the picture” down final a few times before launching off in my plastic fantastic.
Anyway, the skies are no longer safe. I have returned to flight. Everyone fly safe. Jerry
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Re: Q-born at last
ryan goodman
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Q-born at last
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
My body, the Q and the weather all aligned today to usher in my first Q flight since August when I face-planted into a mountain off my motorcycle.
I just finished the condition inspection and was ready to go. Fortunately, it was totally uneventful except for the wonderful thrill it was to be back in the air in the Q again. The Q cockpit is a special place to be.
Surprisingly, my flying skills (or lack of) seemed to not have deteriorated sufficiently to scare me any more than they usually do. I am sure it helped that Nancy would periodically take me flying so I could “see the picture” down final a few times before launching off in my plastic fantastic.
Anyway, the skies are no longer safe. I have returned to flight. Everyone fly safe. Jerry
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Re: Re-Mounted the engine today
Be careful of cylinder envy, Bruce!
Cheers, Jay
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 9:43 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re-Mounted the engine today
Wow I wish I had that many cylinders! Bruce
Hi Kevin,
I am now at up to 58%, since I put the engine back on today!
Cheers, Jay
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Re: Reflex
Chris Walterson
Thanks for the offer Jay, but it is already built like the plans from a fellow in Canada in one of the old newletters.
Canada Chris
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Re: Reflex
That sounds about right. I used the phenolic donut with eccentric hole drilled on the rotating "donut hole" design. if this doesn't make sense, contact me offline and I will send you plans. Cheers, Jay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID "Dorothea Keats dkeats@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote: I did some rough measuring today and to get +6 degrees on the ailerons
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Reflex
Chris Walterson
I did some rough measuring today and to get +6 degrees on the ailerons I would need to move the QCSA3 down 1/4 inch.
To get -2 degrees the QCSA3 needs to be up less than 1/8th. So that would be about 3/8ths of a inch total up and down movement for the reflexor. Seem logical?? Chris
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Re: Re-Mounted the engine today
Kevin Boddicker
Very good!
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Onward and UPWARD!! Keep the nose low enough to see the whole runway in front of you! Don’t ask me how I know this. OH! you had a front row seat!! Nose to the grind stone.. Kevin
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Re: Reflex
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Just measured my up reflex position fodr landing and it is exactly one inch as Jay said it would be. He is one dazzling dude. Jerry Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Jerry Marstall jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> Date: 3/17/18 9:38 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Q-LIST@... Cc: Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Reflex
You continue to dazzle this business major. Good info. Ill get back to you on the up-deflection of ailerons for landing. Jerry Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> Date: 3/16/18 10:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Reflex The reflexor was an approved mod by QAC. It was sold as a retrofit kit or as an option by QAC in the very latest kits they sold. Usage recommendations are addressed in one of the QAC newsletters, but I don’t remember which one. The range of up 6 degrees to down 2 degrees is recommended.
I have been trying to determine the significance of those numbers and establish limits for my own plane, so I can do what Jerry recommends and put limit stops on mine. To do this, I have been modeling the effect of a range of reflexor settings on my airplane’s decalage of -1.5 degrees, meaning the canard is 1.5 degrees higher angle than plans built. The factory prototype was a -1.0 degree decalage, meaning its canard was leading edge up 1 degree wrt plans. Jerry’s plane has a decalage of +1, meaning his canard angle relative to wing is 1 degree leading edge LOWER than plans. I have personally measured this on his plane.
The first graph below is how different decalages fly (angle of attack/alpha vs elevator setting). Each colored curve corresponds to a different decalage. The black contours are airspeed, so at the right side of the graph is where the at highest angle, elevator and lowest speed (in graph is in ground effect). Jerry’s plane should follow the dark green line when no reflexor is used, so without reflexor he will arrive at the ground with his plane around 4.5 degrees. His taxi angle is 4.5 degrees, so he would land 3 point. If he reflexed trailing edge down, it would indeed slam his nose into the ground even with full elevator as he has said. This is not the case for his landings, because he is using a highly reflexed trailing edge up when landing.
So how does reflexor change the curves in the first graph? I have been modeling this for my plane only on the second graph. With no reflexor, my plane will fly the green curve, and I will arrive at the ground with an angle of about 6.5 degrees, This is 2 degrees higher than Jerry, because my declage is about 2.5 degrees different from his. If I reflex up 6 degrees (-6 by my sign convention), I will land at angle of a little over 8 degrees, so the change in alpha at landing caused by reflex is about 0.25 degrees of alpha increase for each degree of trailing edge up deflection of reflexor.
Jerry actually lands at about 8 degrees angle, so his reflexor, according to my modeling is up about 14 degrees. This would correspond to more than 1 inch of up deflection at the trailing edge. Seems high, but Jerry can let me know if I am off base.
Anyway, as Sam H. says: “Your results may vary”. I would only add the following: You need to know your decalage before you will know what your reflex limits should be. If you have a decalage of -1.0 like the QAC factory prototype, then you would want to use the factory recommendations of up 6 degrees to down 2 degrees.
Cheers, Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building
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I like to use aileron TE down for approach till touch down. This assures a good visibility of the approach and maximum main wing lift. It is easily overcome with elevator control while near touch down and once I’m on all three wheels I dump to reflexor TE up.
To my mind this plane is guaranteed to stay on unless I add power.
Phil
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Re: Reflex
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
You continue to dazzle this business major. Good info. Ill get back to you on the up-deflection of ailerons for landing. Jerry Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> Date: 3/16/18 10:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Reflex The reflexor was an approved mod by QAC. It was sold as a retrofit kit or as an option by QAC in the very latest kits they sold. Usage recommendations are addressed in one of the QAC newsletters, but I don’t remember which one. The range of up 6 degrees to down 2 degrees is recommended.
I have been trying to determine the significance of those numbers and establish limits for my own plane, so I can do what Jerry recommends and put limit stops on mine. To do this, I have been modeling the effect of a range of reflexor settings on my airplane’s decalage of -1.5 degrees, meaning the canard is 1.5 degrees higher angle than plans built. The factory prototype was a -1.0 degree decalage, meaning its canard was leading edge up 1 degree wrt plans. Jerry’s plane has a decalage of +1, meaning his canard angle relative to wing is 1 degree leading edge LOWER than plans. I have personally measured this on his plane.
The first graph below is how different decalages fly (angle of attack/alpha vs elevator setting). Each colored curve corresponds to a different decalage. The black contours are airspeed, so at the right side of the graph is where the at highest angle, elevator and lowest speed (in graph is in ground effect). Jerry’s plane should follow the dark green line when no reflexor is used, so without reflexor he will arrive at the ground with his plane around 4.5 degrees. His taxi angle is 4.5 degrees, so he would land 3 point. If he reflexed trailing edge down, it would indeed slam his nose into the ground even with full elevator as he has said. This is not the case for his landings, because he is using a highly reflexed trailing edge up when landing.
So how does reflexor change the curves in the first graph? I have been modeling this for my plane only on the second graph. With no reflexor, my plane will fly the green curve, and I will arrive at the ground with an angle of about 6.5 degrees, This is 2 degrees higher than Jerry, because my declage is about 2.5 degrees different from his. If I reflex up 6 degrees (-6 by my sign convention), I will land at angle of a little over 8 degrees, so the change in alpha at landing caused by reflex is about 0.25 degrees of alpha increase for each degree of trailing edge up deflection of reflexor.
Jerry actually lands at about 8 degrees angle, so his reflexor, according to my modeling is up about 14 degrees. This would correspond to more than 1 inch of up deflection at the trailing edge. Seems high, but Jerry can let me know if I am off base.
Anyway, as Sam H. says: “Your results may vary”. I would only add the following: You need to know your decalage before you will know what your reflex limits should be. If you have a decalage of -1.0 like the QAC factory prototype, then you would want to use the factory recommendations of up 6 degrees to down 2 degrees.
Cheers, Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building
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I like to use aileron TE down for approach till touch down. This assures a good visibility of the approach and maximum main wing lift. It is easily overcome with elevator control while near touch down and once I’m on all three wheels I dump to reflexor TE up.
To my mind this plane is guaranteed to stay on unless I add power.
Phil
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Re-Mounted the engine today
Hi Kevin,
I am now at up to 58%, since I put the engine back on today!
Cheers, Jay
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Re: Reflex
The reflexor was an approved mod by QAC. It was sold as a retrofit kit or as an option by QAC in the very latest kits they sold. Usage recommendations are addressed in one of the QAC newsletters, but I don’t remember which one. The range of up 6 degrees to down 2 degrees is recommended.
I have been trying to determine the significance of those numbers and establish limits for my own plane, so I can do what Jerry recommends and put limit stops on mine. To do this, I have been modeling the effect of a range of reflexor settings on my airplane’s decalage of -1.5 degrees, meaning the canard is 1.5 degrees higher angle than plans built. The factory prototype was a -1.0 degree decalage, meaning its canard was leading edge up 1 degree wrt plans. Jerry’s plane has a decalage of +1, meaning his canard angle relative to wing is 1 degree leading edge LOWER than plans. I have personally measured this on his plane.
The first graph below is how different decalages fly (angle of attack/alpha vs elevator setting). Each colored curve corresponds to a different decalage. The black contours are airspeed, so at the right side of the graph is where the at highest angle, elevator and lowest speed (in graph is in ground effect). Jerry’s plane should follow the dark green line when no reflexor is used, so without reflexor he will arrive at the ground with his plane around 4.5 degrees. His taxi angle is 4.5 degrees, so he would land 3 point. If he reflexed trailing edge down, it would indeed slam his nose into the ground even with full elevator as he has said. This is not the case for his landings, because he is using a highly reflexed trailing edge up when landing.
So how does reflexor change the curves in the first graph? I have been modeling this for my plane only on the second graph. With no reflexor, my plane will fly the green curve, and I will arrive at the ground with an angle of about 6.5 degrees, This is 2 degrees higher than Jerry, because my declage is about 2.5 degrees different from his. If I reflex up 6 degrees (-6 by my sign convention), I will land at angle of a little over 8 degrees, so the change in alpha at landing caused by reflex is about 0.25 degrees of alpha increase for each degree of trailing edge up deflection of reflexor.
Jerry actually lands at about 8 degrees angle, so his reflexor, according to my modeling is up about 14 degrees. This would correspond to more than 1 inch of up deflection at the trailing edge. Seems high, but Jerry can let me know if I am off base.
Anyway, as Sam H. says: “Your results may vary”. I would only add the following: You need to know your decalage before you will know what your reflex limits should be. If you have a decalage of -1.0 like the QAC factory prototype, then you would want to use the factory recommendations of up 6 degrees to down 2 degrees.
Cheers, Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:26 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Reflex
I like to use aileron TE down for approach till touch down. This assures a good visibility of the approach and maximum main wing lift. It is easily overcome with elevator control while near touch down and once I’m on all three wheels I dump to reflexor TE up.
To my mind this plane is guaranteed to stay on unless I add power.
Phil
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I like to use aileron TE down for approach till touch down. This assures a good visibility of the approach and maximum main wing lift. It is easily overcome with elevator control while near touch down and once I’m on all three wheels I dump to reflexor TE up.
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To my mind this plane is guaranteed to stay on unless I add power. Phil
On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:08 PM, Mike Dwyer q2pilot@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
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