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Re: Dual Electronic Ignitions

Sam Hoskins
 

I would talk to the manufacturers to see if they think they are compatible. 


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 5:43 PM 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Sammy,
When my mag is run out (which is most likely about 280 hrs) I am thinking of putting an E-Mag in it's place.  The other mag was replaced a long time ago and in it's place is the Electroair EI.  I have just finished putting on another Electroair after  2000 hours so it is brand new.  
My question is, will the Electroair work with an E-Mag?  Are their advance curves compatible?  I don't want to build a back up battery system so E-Mag seemed the right way to go.
 
Any and all info is welcome.
 
Bruce Crain


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Dual Electronic Ignitions

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

victor taylor
 

A lot of Velocities are set up with a mag and one EI. The procedure is to always roll the start with mag only until it fires then turn on the EI. 

Victor Taylor
CFII 


On Feb 28, 2019, at 23:43, Phil Lankford britmcman@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Jim: supposing you were running only one plasma light-speed ignition and one standard Magneto, would you do initial startup on the plasma light-speed only before switching to both ignitions?


Phil


On Feb 28, 2019, at 7:50 PM, logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi Robert,

I’ve been running a key start 320H B&C starter for the last 17 years along with dual Lightspeed Plasma 3 ignitions with no kickbacks. In my opinion B&C is the way to go.

I destroyed 4 Skytec starters with kickbacks before installing the B&C starter.

Jim Patillo
N46JP - Q200
1550 hours


Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

britmcman99
 

Jim: supposing you were running only one plasma light-speed ignition and one standard Magneto, would you do initial startup on the plasma light-speed only before switching to both ignitions?

Phil


On Feb 28, 2019, at 7:50 PM, logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi Robert,

I’ve been running a key start 320H B&C starter for the last 17 years along with dual Lightspeed Plasma 3 ignitions with no kickbacks. In my opinion B&C is the way to go.

I destroyed 4 Skytec starters with kickbacks before installing the B&C starter.

Jim Patillo
N46JP - Q200
1550 hours


Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

Jim Patillo
 

Hi Robert,

I’ve been running a key start 320H B&C starter for the last 17 years along with dual Lightspeed Plasma 3 ignitions with no kickbacks. In my opinion B&C is the way to go.

I destroyed 4 Skytec starters with kickbacks before installing the B&C starter.


Jim Patillo
N46JP - Q200
1550 hours


Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

Mike Dwyer
 

I have the Pull starter and Cessna 90Amp alternator.  Over the early years I had problems with kick backs on start up.  One kick back would wreck the Cont Key Starter.  The Cont Pull Starter could take more like 10 kickbacks.  I hear the BC can't take a kick back.  Also, to install a BC onto an engine with the pull start you got to cut off the shaft that the pull starter rides on.  Cut it off or split the engine and remove it.  That makes the Cessna Pull starter a win over the BC in my book.  The Cessna Pull Starter is easy to work on too.  I solved the kickback problem with mags with an electronic system that won't allow firing until after TDC when a switch is flipped.
Mike Q200 N3QP


Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

Jay Scheevel
 

B & C….Bruce & Crain?  😊  I have a B&C alternator and regulator. I highly recommend. Top quality.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

 

 

B and C definitely!  The starter and alternator are bullet proof!  You will need to modify the top right motor mount to make the starter fit but it is worth the extra time.  Lighter weight on both count also!  Can't say enough good about B and C!

Bruce Crain

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Q200 Starter and Alternator questions
Date: 28 Feb 2019 15:57:10 +0000

 

I am trying to install an O-200 on airframe N275CH, which was a previously flying aircraft (some years ago). 

 

The original O-200 engine was removed and subsequently sold prior to my obtaining the airframe. 

 

The replacement O-200 that I bought has a pull starter and a generator. 

 

Preliminary measurements seem to indicate there may be room in the firewall to fit the pull starter, and the generator. 

 

I assume the lightweight starters (B&C or Prestolite), and lightweight alternators are both smaller footprints, and may have some advantages that would justify the cost of buying them.

 

I have read the article in Q-talk 91 - 0-200 Starter Thoughts by Tom Moore, where he makes a pretty good argument to keep the pull starter.  Any other good references that I should look in to?

 

In general, the alternator on my 1975 C150, looks to be a more attractive package than keeping the generator.

 

Advice, insights from those who may have experience with similar situations, would be appreciated.

 

I'm also looking for a set of spark plug wires for a magneto, if you have something, please contact me offline (robertdotkiddatngcdotcom)

 

Thanks,

Robert Kidd

Logan, Utah 

 

 

 



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Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

britmcman99
 

I have the pull starter and original generator on my Q-200 84RC. No complaints. My other engine is set up with all B&C. No complaints there either. 

Phil


On Feb 28, 2019, at 7:57 AM, robert.kidd@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I am trying to install an O-200 on airframe N275CH, which was a previously flying aircraft (some years ago). 


The original O-200 engine was removed and subsequently sold prior to my obtaining the airframe. 


The replacement O-200 that I bought has a pull starter and a generator. 


Preliminary measurements seem to indicate there may be room in the firewall to fit the pull starter, and the generator. 


I assume the lightweight starters (B&C or Prestolite), and lightweight alternators are both smaller footprints, and may have some advantages that would justify the cost of buying them.


I have read the article in Q-talk 91 - 0-200 Starter Thoughts by Tom Moore, where he makes a pretty good argument to keep the pull starter.  Any other good references that I should look in to?


In general, the alternator on my 1975 C150, looks to be a more attractive package than keeping the generator.


Advice, insights from those who may have experience with similar situations, would be appreciated.


I'm also looking for a set of spark plug wires for a magneto, if you have something, please contact me offline (robertdotkiddatngcdotcom)


Thanks,

Robert Kidd

Logan, Utah 




Re: Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

Bruce Crain
 


Q200 Starter and Alternator questions

robert.kidd@...
 

I am trying to install an O-200 on airframe N275CH, which was a previously flying aircraft (some years ago). 


The original O-200 engine was removed and subsequently sold prior to my obtaining the airframe. 


The replacement O-200 that I bought has a pull starter and a generator. 


Preliminary measurements seem to indicate there may be room in the firewall to fit the pull starter, and the generator. 


I assume the lightweight starters (B&C or Prestolite), and lightweight alternators are both smaller footprints, and may have some advantages that would justify the cost of buying them.


I have read the article in Q-talk 91 - 0-200 Starter Thoughts by Tom Moore, where he makes a pretty good argument to keep the pull starter.  Any other good references that I should look in to?


In general, the alternator on my 1975 C150, looks to be a more attractive package than keeping the generator.


Advice, insights from those who may have experience with similar situations, would be appreciated.


I'm also looking for a set of spark plug wires for a magneto, if you have something, please contact me offline (robertdotkiddatngcdotcom)


Thanks,

Robert Kidd

Logan, Utah 




Re: Item of Interest [1 Attachment]

Dustin Graber <nitsudls1@...>
 

“…nothing worse than being forced to drive in lol.

Matthew Curcio”

 

 

Envy ensues

Dustin Graber

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Windows 10 device

 


Re: Item of Interest [1 Attachment]

Matthew Curcio
 

Oh yeah and if your not to far away and want to come out to watch. You should be able to land 8-26 and go to voyager. Other option is tehachapi which has just as good a view of the burn. 

Matthew Curcio
419-290-3773


On Feb 19, 2019, at 08:41, 'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I was doing hypothetical flight planning this morning from Grand Junction to Santa Barbara, and look what popped up as a scheduled TFR!  Looks like Branson means business this time (see attached screen shot)

 

Cheers,

Jay  Tri-Q, N8WQ, stuck at 28 hours (winter weather)

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Re: Item of Interest [1 Attachment]

Matthew Curcio
 

Yep - I don’t work for them so I can spill the beans. it’s gonna be tomorrow morning, wheels up at 0700, drop at ~0730, plan to go a little higher than last time and I think they’re going to carry a passenger. I saw the nitrous tanks showing up last week and started to get a little giddy. It never gets old watching! 

I just wish they didn’t close my way into work, nothing worse than being forced to drive in lol.

Matthew Curcio
419-290-3773


On Feb 19, 2019, at 08:41, 'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I was doing hypothetical flight planning this morning from Grand Junction to Santa Barbara, and look what popped up as a scheduled TFR!  Looks like Branson means business this time (see attached screen shot)

 

Cheers,

Jay  Tri-Q, N8WQ, stuck at 28 hours (winter weather)

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Item of Interest

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi All,

 

I was doing hypothetical flight planning this morning from Grand Junction to Santa Barbara, and look what popped up as a scheduled TFR!  Looks like Branson means business this time (see attached screen shot)

 

Cheers,

Jay  Tri-Q, N8WQ, stuck at 28 hours (winter weather)


Weight and Balance

Matthew Curcio
 

Hey all, 

I borrowed a good set of calibrated scales from work and re-computed my W&B. I've done a lot of work on the plane so I figured it'd be a good idea to recalculate it. I also wanted to get some good arms and a good understanding of where I am at in the envelope for the loading I most commonly operate at, now that that is defined by experience for me. I removed the 14" added in front of the firewall because it makes my math a little simpler and its all arbitrary anyways.  The attached document is my new sheet. I transposed the Q200 manual's envelope on there as well as some vertical lines for the limits I have operated at. The fwd vertical line I have demonstrated a stall at as well as the aft dashed black line. I've always assumed that the shape of the envelope in the POH was just based on the possible loading of the airplane being that there is no way to add weight without pushing the CG aft. What I'm seeing is that while I'm comfortable and have operated just above the 1200 updated max gross I'm still forward of the aft CG limit published in the manual. That is re-assuring. I don't think I would want to go any further aft because its pretty clear that you're just chipping away at the static margin on an already not very stable airplane. I would hope that folks on here have done stall testing at the aft CG limit listed in the POH but I know I haven't. I didn't do a full phase 1 flight test regimen when I put the airplane back into service. I'm getting ready to do that so I can get some good data before I start making performance mods and I'm kind of curious what to expect with the stall back there? I have noticed a distinct difference in the way the airplane stalls with a forward and light CG compared to the aft most testing I have done. With the Y CG moved in the positive direction (towards the passenger) the right canard wants to break first and with the associated aft X CG the stall occurs before running out of elevator authority.  When I'm light and forward I have to do a lightly accelerated stall to get it to break before I run out of elevator. 


Re: Model 68/Amsoil Racer/Laser

Q plusTwo
 

Judging by the date, that link is likely just an uncredited (jerks) repost of the airfoil(s) listed on the UIUC database:

https://m-selig.ae.illinois.edu/ads/coord_database.html

No idea where Selig got them from but I would guess it was from David Lednicer back when he was doing CFD analysis on some of the Rutan designs.


Re: FW: Travelling soon?

Sam Hoskins
 

It's a fake. 


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 6:52 PM Kevin Boddicker trumanst@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@... wrote:
 

Yikes Stripes in my shorts!!!


On Feb 7, 2019, at 8:41 AM, 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


 

 

Subject: Fw: Travelling soon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey,  you guys in the tower,......watch this.

 

--Probably the first low level roll by a jet liner with survivors !!!! 


Note the pilot had full opposite aileron in through the whole roll and how much the wings were bending, watch the slow motion at the end.

Skillful but lucky save !...   Lots of laundry after that
!

How many of these passengers are still flying??

 

 


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Re: FW: Travelling soon?

One Sky Dog
 

Reported to be fake news! 


On Feb 7, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Kevin Boddicker trumanst@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

Yikes Stripes in my shorts!!!

On Feb 7, 2019, at 8:41 AM, 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


 

 

Subject: Fw: Travelling soon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey,  you guys in the tower,......watch this.

 

--Probably the first low level roll by a jet liner with survivors !!!! 


Note the pilot had full opposite aileron in through the whole roll and how much the wings were bending, watch the slow motion at the end.

Skillful but lucky save !...   Lots of laundry after that
!

How many of these passengers are still flying??

 

 


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Re: FW: Travelling soon? [1 Attachment]

Kevin Boddicker
 

Yikes Stripes in my shorts!!!

On Feb 7, 2019, at 8:41 AM, 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


 

 

Subject: Fw: Travelling soon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey,  you guys in the tower,......watch this.

 

--Probably the first low level roll by a jet liner with survivors !!!! 


Note the pilot had full opposite aileron in through the whole roll and how much the wings were bending, watch the slow motion at the end.

Skillful but lucky save !...   Lots of laundry after that
!

How many of these passengers are still flying??

 

 


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