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Re: Knab

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Bruce,

I will try the computer again and see if this gets through. 

I think I have essentially a hybrid-range prop 54x62. The engine redlines at 3300 rpm, so although the 2850 seems fast to you O-200 dudes, it is not too high for the Jab. I have to make a pretty aggressive dive to get it to 3300 rpm in my testing so far. I will need to get down to lower altitudes to see what it will do wide open and level when the air is thick. I can get close to 3000 rpm at my altitude when I go WOT and level.

I still have a pretty draggy machine at the high end, since I have no wheel fairings.  So maybe after cleaning the gear up a bit, I may see about getting my prop re-piitched. In any case, this is the perfect phase 1 prop for me, and I am very happy so far. 

Cheers,
Jay

On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:10:11 GMT, "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" wrote:

 

 

Thank you Jay for that info.  It is good to know especially for the newbies.  Are you using a climb prop? 2850 is a pretty fast rpm on take off.
Bruce

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Date: 29 Aug 2019 02:51:14 +0000
 

 

 

Answered this in a reply from my computer, but it apparently does not want to post, so I will post from the Yahoo interface:

 
I fly out of a 2600 foot paved strip at 4725 MSL. I have flown off of this field with DA's up to 8000' while using about 1600' of the total 2600' to break ground (lest you think I am daft, we have 600' of grass tacked onto the end of the 2600). 
 
I pull the plane off the runway at 80 mph IAS, and climb to over 50' by 3000' of runway, then see climb rates over 500 fpm. I have a Jabiru 3300 engine that turns 2850 on the takeoff run. According to the manual, that is just over 100 HP at this altitude, so if you have an O-200, it will have less power at the same altitude. 
 
I have taken off at up to 1075 pounds GW, and will probably not exceed that when going out of this strip in the summer. That weight includes the pilot, standard equipment and a little over 20 gallons of fuel. I have a 28 gallon max capacity. 
 
There is a 10,000' runway 10 miles east with fuel. So for long trips, I will pack myself, luggage, and minimal fuel, then fly to the larger strip, pick up fuel. All of that subject to testing, since I am still in phase 1 for a few more hours. 
 
Cheers,
Jay  N8WQ  45 hours

 



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Re: Knab

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Knab

Jay Scheevel
 

Answered this in a reply from my computer, but it apparently does not want to post, so I will post from the Yahoo interface:

I fly out of a 2600 foot paved strip at 4725 MSL. I have flown off of this field with DA's up to 8000' while using about 1600' of the total 2600' to break ground (lest you think I am daft, we have 600' of grass tacked onto the end of the 2600). 

I pull the plane off the runway at 80 mph IAS, and climb to over 50' by 3000' of runway, then see climb rates over 500 fpm. I have a Jabiru 3300 engine that turns 2850 on the takeoff run. According to the manual, that is just over 100 HP at this altitude, so if you have an O-200, it will have less power at the same altitude. 

I have taken off at up to 1075 pounds GW, and will probably not exceed that when going out of this strip in the summer. That weight includes the pilot, standard equipment and a little over 20 gallons of fuel. I have a 28 gallon max capacity. 

There is a 10,000' runway 10 miles east with fuel. So for long trips, I will pack myself, luggage, and minimal fuel, then fly to the larger strip, pick up fuel. All of that subject to testing, since I am still in phase 1 for a few more hours. 

Cheers,
Jay  N8WQ  45 hours


Re: Knab

Corbin Geiser <c_geiser@...>
 

Good to know about Truckee and the 5,900 elev.....highest DA I have flown so far is 3,900 (just a warm day in Texas) and I still got off the ground in about 1,200ft.  Can't remember how many gallons I had that day though.

I believe the brake lines are recommended to be replaced at least within 15 years.  Mine are about 1.5 years old...it is the compression fittings that need to be redone on mine.  But I will likely still switch to stainless sometime in the future.

Corbin

On August 28, 2019 at 7:48 PM, "logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST]" wrote:

 

Corbin,

Mark Summers flew your Q out of Truckee Tahoe regularly for a couple years (which is about 5900’. ELEV). He felt it was marginal at best even with the injected 0200. I have flown into and out of Truckee in my Q several times as well and felt the same way. With a little higher temperatures it gets quite mushy.

At my home airport KAUN down the hill in Auburn, Ca. 1,500’ ELEV., I regularly see 4,000’ density altitude. Makes for a bit more fun!

You might also want to read my prior posts about the hydraulic brake line failure I experienced a year or so ago landing at Auburn. I found out the hard way that the tubing we used will shatter when it gets old. The failure occurred in the 1/8” hydraulic line about a foot from the left wheel pant. I am switching to stainless the next time I take it down for inspection. Check out the runway length at Auburn and imagine running down that at 85 mph near dark, braking with one pedal only and snow pissing down.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP - Q200
1500+ hours on airframe


Re: Knab

Jim Patillo
 

Corbin,

Mark Summers flew your Q out of Truckee Tahoe regularly for a couple years (which is about 5900’. ELEV). He felt it was marginal at best even with the injected 0200. I have flown into and out of Truckee in my Q several times as well and felt the same way. With a little higher temperatures it gets quite mushy.

At my home airport KAUN down the hill in Auburn, Ca. 1,500’ ELEV., I regularly see 4,000’ density altitude. Makes for a bit more fun!

You might also want to read my prior posts about the hydraulic brake line failure I experienced a year or so ago landing at Auburn. I found out the hard way that the tubing we used will shatter when it gets old. The failure occurred in the 1/8” hydraulic line about a foot from the left wheel pant. I am switching to stainless the next time I take it down for inspection. Check out the runway length at Auburn and imagine running down that at 85 mph near dark, braking with one pedal only and snow pissing down.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP - Q200
1500+ hours on airframe


Re: Knab

Corbin Geiser <c_geiser@...>
 

I’m really hoping to start gathering higher DA performance numbers once I get my brake issue resolved for good.  

I’d really be interested in hearing from others as well.

Corbin

On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Mike Neidenthal n7000t@... [Q-LIST] wrote:

  

Hi everyone,

Isn’t there any performance numbers that can be used at higher elevation airports?
I know Allan and another friend who fly out of KFLY with  Long EZ’s. It’s around 6800 ft elevation and has density altitudes of 8 to 10 on any given day..  Their runway is 6,000
Thanks

Mike


On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:46 AM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Say Ryzard I looked at Kanab and it looks a little high and short for a Q200 to take off with 2 on board.  Not impossible but I would need a cool morning say around 50 or less.  I could do it but would need to dial in the MT prop to about 2750 for enough hp to get off.  Would love to hook up with the EZ guys!  We have some wonderful Quickies and a great bunch of guys in the group!
Bruce Crain

---------- Original Message ----------
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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Knab
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 03:25:48 GMT

 

Hi Ryzard!  With that said I would like to invite the EZ guys to Enid, OK WDG for the "Field Of Dreams" September 20-22.  We are hosting a tandem wing Reunion here and would love to see anyone that can join us.  The URL is below
Click on the upper left hand corner where the 3 horizontal lines appear and it will give you all the info on the gathering!
Bruce Crain

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Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Knab
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 20:24:13 -0400

 

 
I can’t see any reason y’all wouldn’t be anything but recieved with enthusiasm at Kanab or any other Canard event. 
 
Ryszard 
Pres. Rutan Aircraft Flying Experience 

On Aug 25, 2019, at 20:12, jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Mike,

I had thought about that a few times in the past because I am in the neighborhood, but then I found out that it would be more properly named the "EZ-fly-in", so I have never really gotten around to making the trip. No disrespect intended towards the EZ flyers, they are just different animals from Quickies.

Cheers,
Jay N8WQ

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:56:40 -0700, "Mike Neidenthal n7000t@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi,
Was wondering if anyone on this list in the west goes to the canard flyin at Knab? Or is that a 4 letter word here? I’m in the Vegas area and was thinking of flying my metal plane up
Thanks

Mike Neidenthal (Q200 wannabe)

 



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Re: Knab

 

Hi everyone,
Isn’t there any performance numbers that can be used at higher elevation airports?
I know Allan and another friend who fly out of KFLY with  Long EZ’s. It’s around 6800 ft elevation and has density altitudes of 8 to 10 on any given day.  Their runway is 6,000
Thanks

Mike


On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:46 AM, 'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Say Ryzard I looked at Kanab and it looks a little high and short for a Q200 to take off with 2 on board.  Not impossible but I would need a cool morning say around 50 or less.  I could do it but would need to dial in the MT prop to about 2750 for enough hp to get off.  Would love to hook up with the EZ guys!  We have some wonderful Quickies and a great bunch of guys in the group!
Bruce Crain

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "'jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Knab
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 03:25:48 GMT

 

Hi Ryzard!  With that said I would like to invite the EZ guys to Enid, OK WDG for the "Field Of Dreams" September 20-22.  We are hosting a tandem wing Reunion here and would love to see anyone that can join us.  The URL is below
Click on the upper left hand corner where the 3 horizontal lines appear and it will give you all the info on the gathering!
Bruce Crain

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ryszard Zadow ryszardzadow@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Knab
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 20:24:13 -0400

 

 
I can’t see any reason y’all wouldn’t be anything but recieved with enthusiasm at Kanab or any other Canard event. 
 
Ryszard 
Pres. Rutan Aircraft Flying Experience 

On Aug 25, 2019, at 20:12, jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Mike,

I had thought about that a few times in the past because I am in the neighborhood, but then I found out that it would be more properly named the "EZ-fly-in", so I have never really gotten around to making the trip. No disrespect intended towards the EZ flyers, they are just different animals from Quickies.

Cheers,
Jay N8WQ

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:56:40 -0700, "Mike Neidenthal n7000t@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi,
Was wondering if anyone on this list in the west goes to the canard flyin at Knab? Or is that a 4 letter word here? I’m in the Vegas area and was thinking of flying my metal plane up
Thanks

Mike Neidenthal (Q200 wannabe)

 



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Re: Knab

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Kanab Canard Fly-in 2019

 

In case anyone remembers Allan's Long EZE  was the Grand Champion Plans Built winner at this years Oshkosh.
He and Laura were the only ones who congratulated me on the Quickie's recognition.  Very nice folks.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:41 AM Jay Scheevel jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,
I got this invitation a few days ago and thought I should pass it along:

Howdy,  my name is Allen Floyd, myself with My better half Laura Noel host the Kanab fly in over the Labor Day weekend.  I would like to invite you to join us as it is a great event.   We welcome ALL canard enthusiasts in the fun.   We have EZ’s, Berkuts, Cozys, Velocities, RV types , certified aircraft, VariViggen.... love to have a Quickie type or 2..   please spread the word that all are invited. 

Sincerely
Allen Floyd


The "Green Video" by Clio Crop Care

Q plusTwo
 

Does anyone know if another copy of this exists somewhere? The short segments on quickheads won't load for me and it looks like Microsoft is discontinuing Silverlight support in the near future anyways.


http://www.quickheads.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=473:the-qgreenq-videos&catid=19&Itemid=101


Dan Yager, any chance you can move what you've got to YouTube??


-MD


Re: Tire inflation tool

Q plusTwo
 

I just use two of these screwed together; bought them at Big Lots of all places.

I will say that Corbin's suggestion seems much easier. I seem to recall that these barely stick out past the wheel pant once fitted, which makes fitting the air chuck a royal pain.

-MD


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Kanab Canard Fly-in 2019

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi All,
I got this invitation a few days ago and thought I should pass it along:

Howdy,  my name is Allen Floyd, myself with My better half Laura Noel host the Kanab fly in over the Labor Day weekend.  I would like to invite you to join us as it is a great event.   We welcome ALL canard enthusiasts in the fun.   We have EZ’s, Berkuts, Cozys, Velocities, RV types , certified aircraft, VariViggen.... love to have a Quickie type or 2..   please spread the word that all are invited. 

Sincerely
Allen Floyd


Re: Field Of Dreams 2019!

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Autopilot

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Tire inflation tool

Richard Kaczmarek 3RD
 

NAPA has the metal valve stem extensions that will screw together they are used on Semi tires. We use them with our Q's and other aircraft with access through the wheel pants. Don't forget to remove them after use they will break off and not hurt the stem but it's a pain to get the part left behind off we may or may not have done this one or twice.

Richard


Re: Tire inflation tool

Mike Dwyer
 

I just screwed 2 metal extenders from the auto parts store together.  Had no issue with the threads...  Locktight them to make sure they don't come apart...
Mike


Re: Autopilot

Jim Patillo
 

Mike,

I have a belly board/speed brake and use it for landings. This allows me to put added pressure on the tailwheel during roll out.

I also have and use an aileron reflexor but mostly for landing. I use it to balance loads in flight for heavy aft loading conditions. In my opinion the reflexor was designed as a band aid for wings that were out of spec/angle of incidence. I don't fly with full reflexor in flight under any conditions, that seems kind of odd.

 It is true that you can pick up a couple of miles per hour by reflexing the ailerons up and trimming the elevators down.

Jim Patillo
N46JP - Q200


Re: Tire inflation tool

John Hoxie
 

Thanx Corbin,
I ordered a 6" dually. To get it overnight, I had to use a different brand, but should work well. 


Re: Tire inflation tool

Corbin Geiser <c_geiser@...>
 

Better pic...I ordered it off amazon.



Corbin

On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Corbin Geiser wrote:

I can get a better pic later today....here ya go for now:



Corbin

On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:21 AM, hoxdesigns@... [Q-LIST] wrote:

  

What extender do we use for going through the wheel pant? I am trying to move my plane. I have a set of plastic and metal 1-1/4 inch extenders. The metal ones look threaded, so I always figured I could join two of them. Imagine my surprise when I can't screw them together. They are grooved, but not threaded, ie: the grooves are parallel and not helical. I have seen some flexible ones online, but we need rigid. Only have two days to get these inflated. Don't want to take the wheels off. Thanks in advance.

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