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Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

Corbin
 

Thanks guys!  I’m starting to think this is doable and within reason.  I’ll start with practicing on hearing/bending plexiglass while designing a hole to cut in lower cowling.

I have the light and mount already.

Corbin

On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Following Sam's plan, you can shape the Plexiglas to a compound curve, matching that of your cowl cutout by using a heat gun and gentle pressure with your hands (where leather gloves). Once you have it shaped, you can trim it to the shape of the hole. You may want to lay up a lip around the hole, if you want the plex to bond flush to the cowl, or just bond the plex to the inside of the cowling, in front of the light.

Cheers,
Jay

--

Corbin 
N33QR
Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

Jay Scheevel
 

Following Sam's plan, you can shape the Plexiglas to a compound curve, matching that of your cowl cutout by using a heat gun and gentle pressure with your hands (where leather gloves). Once you have it shaped, you can trim it to the shape of the hole. You may want to lay up a lip around the hole, if you want the plex to bond flush to the cowl, or just bond the plex to the inside of the cowling, in front of the light.

Cheers,
Jay
Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

Sam Hoskins
 

Corbin.

Here's the Sam Hoskins method. Buy the light and a mounting bracket, if available. Look at your cowl and figure out where you have room. (If you want to get fancy you can use the ghost images method.)
Figure out which angle you want it to point. Drill a small hole in the cowling as the center of the light. Keep making the hole bigger until it's big enough. Figure out how to attach the light to the cowling. Trim the opening as needed. Figure out how to form a piece of Plexiglas to cover the opening. Figure out how to attach the plexi to the cowl. Figure out how to touch up the paint. 
Figure out how to run your wires to a switch. Don't forget a connector so you can drop the cowl. 
Make a log book entry. 

Ghost images:


That should do it. Now start. 

Sam 



On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 6:56 PM Corbin via Groups.Io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am moving this conversation over here, from Facebook, as recommended by Jay (thanks Jay). 

I would like to add a LED landing light to my Q200.  I am leaning towards building the light flush into my lower cowling as I don't want to run wiring down the lower wing to install in the wheel pants.  Although, it would be really cool to have a flush mount light in both wheel pants.  I have also considered just mounting it under the cowling back towards the cowl flap.  However, flush would be preferred if it is not too difficult to learn how to do this.  

So...on to my question.  I am open to taking on this project so that I get a flush mount light as well as learn how to work with composite material.  Can I use my current lower cowling as a mold or should I look into cutting and building the light into the existing cowling?  

Open to suggestions and how to start learning about working with composite materials.

Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guid

John Hoxie
 

I messed up on my confidence project. Somehow I misread the thickness dimension and built it one inch thick. It's very strong, though.


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:57 PM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

That was the original intent of that project, but Corbin is going to be doing a mod on his cowl to install a landing light, so will be mostly glass, probably with little or no foam, so the confidence project may be overkill. It would be a good practice project, nonetheless.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hoxie via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 5:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Considering Very First Composite Project - Guid

 

Jay,

Would the plan's confidence project be good for practice.

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:43 PM, Jay Scheevel

<jay@...> wrote:

Just uploaded a document that you should read to familiarize yourself with composite construction, prior to starting your work. Folks here can help you with the specifics of materials you will want to order (usually from Aircraft Spruce).

 

Here is the link for the document I loaded https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Composite%20materials%20education/RAF_composite_education_section_from_Q2Plans.pdf

 

Once people have a chance to chime in, you can start designing your install and build using techniques in the above document. If you don’t get any suggestions for installations, I will chime in and tell you what I would do.

 

Cheers,

Jay N8WQ

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

 

I am moving this conversation over here, from Facebook, as recommended by Jay (thanks Jay). 

I would like to add a LED landing light to my Q200.  I am leaning towards building the light flush into my lower cowling as I don't want to run wiring down the lower wing to install in the wheel pants.  Although, it would be really cool to have a flush mount light in both wheel pants.  I have also considered just mounting it under the cowling back towards the cowl flap.  However, flush would be preferred if it is not too difficult to learn how to do this.  

So...on to my question.  I am open to taking on this project so that I get a flush mount light as well as learn how to work with composite material.  Can I use my current lower cowling as a mold or should I look into cutting and building the light into the existing cowling?  

Open to suggestions and how to start learning about working with composite materials.

Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guid

Jay Scheevel
 

That was the original intent of that project, but Corbin is going to be doing a mod on his cowl to install a landing light, so will be mostly glass, probably with little or no foam, so the confidence project may be overkill. It would be a good practice project, nonetheless.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hoxie via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 5:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Considering Very First Composite Project - Guid

 

Jay,

Would the plan's confidence project be good for practice.

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:43 PM, Jay Scheevel

<jay@...> wrote:

Just uploaded a document that you should read to familiarize yourself with composite construction, prior to starting your work. Folks here can help you with the specifics of materials you will want to order (usually from Aircraft Spruce).

 

Here is the link for the document I loaded https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Composite%20materials%20education/RAF_composite_education_section_from_Q2Plans.pdf

 

Once people have a chance to chime in, you can start designing your install and build using techniques in the above document. If you don’t get any suggestions for installations, I will chime in and tell you what I would do.

 

Cheers,

Jay N8WQ

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

 

I am moving this conversation over here, from Facebook, as recommended by Jay (thanks Jay). 

I would like to add a LED landing light to my Q200.  I am leaning towards building the light flush into my lower cowling as I don't want to run wiring down the lower wing to install in the wheel pants.  Although, it would be really cool to have a flush mount light in both wheel pants.  I have also considered just mounting it under the cowling back towards the cowl flap.  However, flush would be preferred if it is not too difficult to learn how to do this.  

So...on to my question.  I am open to taking on this project so that I get a flush mount light as well as learn how to work with composite material.  Can I use my current lower cowling as a mold or should I look into cutting and building the light into the existing cowling?  

Open to suggestions and how to start learning about working with composite materials.

Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

Corbin
 

Awesome....looks like great reading material.  Thank you!
--

Corbin 
N33QR
Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guid

John Hoxie
 

Jay,
Would the plan's confidence project be good for practice.


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:43 PM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

Just uploaded a document that you should read to familiarize yourself with composite construction, prior to starting your work. Folks here can help you with the specifics of materials you will want to order (usually from Aircraft Spruce).

 

Here is the link for the document I loaded https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Composite%20materials%20education/RAF_composite_education_section_from_Q2Plans.pdf

 

Once people have a chance to chime in, you can start designing your install and build using techniques in the above document. If you don’t get any suggestions for installations, I will chime in and tell you what I would do.

 

Cheers,

Jay N8WQ

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

 

I am moving this conversation over here, from Facebook, as recommended by Jay (thanks Jay). 

I would like to add a LED landing light to my Q200.  I am leaning towards building the light flush into my lower cowling as I don't want to run wiring down the lower wing to install in the wheel pants.  Although, it would be really cool to have a flush mount light in both wheel pants.  I have also considered just mounting it under the cowling back towards the cowl flap.  However, flush would be preferred if it is not too difficult to learn how to do this.  

So...on to my question.  I am open to taking on this project so that I get a flush mount light as well as learn how to work with composite material.  Can I use my current lower cowling as a mold or should I look into cutting and building the light into the existing cowling?  

Open to suggestions and how to start learning about working with composite materials.

Re: Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

Jay Scheevel
 

Just uploaded a document that you should read to familiarize yourself with composite construction, prior to starting your work. Folks here can help you with the specifics of materials you will want to order (usually from Aircraft Spruce).

 

Here is the link for the document I loaded https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Composite%20materials%20education/RAF_composite_education_section_from_Q2Plans.pdf

 

Once people have a chance to chime in, you can start designing your install and build using techniques in the above document. If you don’t get any suggestions for installations, I will chime in and tell you what I would do.

 

Cheers,

Jay N8WQ

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

 

I am moving this conversation over here, from Facebook, as recommended by Jay (thanks Jay). 

I would like to add a LED landing light to my Q200.  I am leaning towards building the light flush into my lower cowling as I don't want to run wiring down the lower wing to install in the wheel pants.  Although, it would be really cool to have a flush mount light in both wheel pants.  I have also considered just mounting it under the cowling back towards the cowl flap.  However, flush would be preferred if it is not too difficult to learn how to do this.  

So...on to my question.  I am open to taking on this project so that I get a flush mount light as well as learn how to work with composite material.  Can I use my current lower cowling as a mold or should I look into cutting and building the light into the existing cowling?  

Open to suggestions and how to start learning about working with composite materials.

Considering Very First Composite Project - Guidance Appreciated

Corbin
 

I am moving this conversation over here, from Facebook, as recommended by Jay (thanks Jay). 

I would like to add a LED landing light to my Q200.  I am leaning towards building the light flush into my lower cowling as I don't want to run wiring down the lower wing to install in the wheel pants.  Although, it would be really cool to have a flush mount light in both wheel pants.  I have also considered just mounting it under the cowling back towards the cowl flap.  However, flush would be preferred if it is not too difficult to learn how to do this.  

So...on to my question.  I am open to taking on this project so that I get a flush mount light as well as learn how to work with composite material.  Can I use my current lower cowling as a mold or should I look into cutting and building the light into the existing cowling?  

Open to suggestions and how to start learning about working with composite materials.
Re: Corbin’s performance numbers

Corbin
 

Agreed....and I think I can get a few more mph out of it.  Just need to "dial it in".  Thanks!
Re: Corbin’s performance numbers

Corbin
 

Thanks Bruce!  I sure do love the speed and efficiency!
Re: Corbin’s performance numbers

Jay Scheevel
 

Took the words out of my mouth, Bruce. Kind of supports the argument that the GU canard is the fastest. 2750 RPM and 190+ mph TAS!

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

That’s one sweet, fast Q200 Corbin!
Bruce


On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:16 AM, Corbin via Groups.Io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Jim,

Much appreciated!  I will definitely give this a try during my next cruise flight!  

For others, here is the video Jim is referencing:   https://youtu.be/mgeFuvCYIaw

Re: Corbin’s performance numbers

Bruce Crain
 

That’s one sweet, fast Q200 Corbin!
Bruce


On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:16 AM, Corbin via Groups.Io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Jim,

Much appreciated!  I will definitely give this a try during my next cruise flight!  

For others, here is the video Jim is referencing:   https://youtu.be/mgeFuvCYIaw


Re: Corbin’s performance numbers

Corbin
 

Jim,

Much appreciated!  I will definitely give this a try during my next cruise flight!  

For others, here is the video Jim is referencing:   https://youtu.be/mgeFuvCYIaw
Corbin’s performance numbers

Jim Patillo
 

Hey Corbin, 

The next time you are out testing your Q for performance numbers, try this method for a few more knots. In level flight, trim the elevators down just a little and reflex up just a little. Once speed is stabilized, drop the nose to unload and the speed will increase. Then Fly straight and level and see how long you can hold that increased speed with the same throttle setting. 😊

Jim

N46JP - Q200
Re: The rest of the Story

Jay Scheevel
 

Cool story, Terry!  And I already thought your plane was tiny. That is REALLY tiny.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terry Crouch via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 3:13 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] The rest of the Story

 

This model of my airplane was originally done by Robert Blaschke of Slovakia. He contacted me and asked for some detailed photos and info so he could make a 1/72  model. I almost didn't respond because I didn't think anyone would want to make detailed model that size. I was VERY wrong. he sent me some  photos during construction and I really couldn't believe the detail. You need a magnification to see the detail on this model. After showing it at model shows in Europe he asked me if I would like to have it. Fabulous offer I couldn't refuse. He was asked by Brengun to make a production version, this is on the youtube video below. If you really like working with very tiny parts this is the kit for you.

 

Terry Crouch

Quickie N14TC

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob de Bie <robdebie@...>
To: main <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] You find the strangest things on Ebay
Re: The rest of the Story

Terry Crouch
 

This model of my airplane was originally done by Robert Blaschke of Slovakia. He contacted me and asked for some detailed photos and info so he could make a 1/72  model. I almost didn't respond because I didn't think anyone would want to make detailed model that size. I was VERY wrong. he sent me some  photos during construction and I really couldn't believe the detail. You need a magnification to see the detail on this model. After showing it at model shows in Europe he asked me if I would like to have it. Fabulous offer I couldn't refuse. He was asked by Brengun to make a production version, this is on the youtube video below. If you really like working with very tiny parts this is the kit for you.

Terry Crouch
Quickie N14TC


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob de Bie <robdebie@...>
To: main <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2020 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] You find the strangest things on Ebay
Re: You find the strangest things on Ebay

John Hoxie
 


Cool!

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM, One Sky Dog via Groups.Io
<Oneskydog@...> wrote:
Jerry,

https://www.mymahoganymodel.com/

Charlie


On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

That is awesome.  Where's mine?

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 1/11/20 10:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] You find the strangest things on Ebay

Carved by hand by my father 30 years ago as a taildragger. Modified to current configuration by a buddy of mine last year. One of a kind.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I didn't even know it was for sale. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Q-2-Quickie-Rutan-Homebuilt-Q2-Airplane-Desk-Wood-Model-Small-New/163830192571?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D98796dfce5c04e10926f3f26d96b98e9%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D120489682169%26itm%3D163830192571%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

Re: You find the strangest things on Ebay

One Sky Dog
 

Jerry,

On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

That is awesome.  Where's mine?

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 1/11/20 10:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] You find the strangest things on Ebay

Carved by hand by my father 30 years ago as a taildragger. Modified to current configuration by a buddy of mine last year. One of a kind.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I didn't even know it was for sale. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Q-2-Quickie-Rutan-Homebuilt-Q2-Airplane-Desk-Wood-Model-Small-New/163830192571?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D98796dfce5c04e10926f3f26d96b98e9%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D120489682169%26itm%3D163830192571%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

Re: You find the strangest things on Ebay

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

That is awesome.  Where's mine?

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 1/11/20 10:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] You find the strangest things on Ebay

Carved by hand by my father 30 years ago as a taildragger. Modified to current configuration by a buddy of mine last year. One of a kind.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

I didn't even know it was for sale. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Q-2-Quickie-Rutan-Homebuilt-Q2-Airplane-Desk-Wood-Model-Small-New/163830192571?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D98796dfce5c04e10926f3f26d96b98e9%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D120489682169%26itm%3D163830192571%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

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