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Q2 to to Q200

Brian Larick
 

What does it take to switch from Revmaster to O200.


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

JMasal@...
 

helpful photo!


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
To: main <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

    I like my braided hoses at the caliper interface, helps to provide a heat break and you get a sparkly look. :-) 
    From experiments on the old pipes when they were changed, it is usually some damage from abrasion that leads to failure.
    Should have done them at the pedal end as well, that's an upgrade for the future.
    Rich T
   
   
On 12/02/2020 05:24, Jim Patillo wrote:
Replaced both sides at wheel pant only, I think. May have switched to s/s braided there.

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike via Groups.Io <n7000t@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:01:58 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 
Jim,
Did Brad update the tubing or just replace what is there?

Thanks 

Mike Q200wannabe 


On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_Engineering@...> wrote:


Hey Jay, Jerry and Mike,

You can add Brad Olsen (Tom Moore’s Q originally)to that list. NF tubing failed in the wheel pant near the disc. He locked up the other brake and did a 360. No damage. Quick repair and he was flying again.

Jim
N46JP - Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:47:32 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 
Hi Mike and Rich,
 
We just discussed two cases of the nylaflow tubing failing. One was last week, Ray McCrea’s long EZ and the other was Jim Patillo’s Q200 a few years ago.
 
Cheers,
Jay
 
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 
Hi Rich,
It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.
I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.
Fly Safe.
Mike Dwyer
 
YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF
 
 
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.





Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Richard Thomson
 

    I like my braided hoses at the caliper interface, helps to provide a heat break and you get a sparkly look. :-) 

    From experiments on the old pipes when they were changed, it is usually some damage from abrasion that leads to failure.

    Should have done them at the pedal end as well, that's an upgrade for the future.

    Rich T

   

   

On 12/02/2020 05:24, Jim Patillo wrote:
Replaced both sides at wheel pant only, I think. May have switched to s/s braided there.

Sent from Outer Space

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike via Groups.Io <n7000t@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:01:58 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 
Jim,
Did Brad update the tubing or just replace what is there?

Thanks 

Mike Q200wannabe 


On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_Engineering@...> wrote:


Hey Jay, Jerry and Mike,

You can add Brad Olsen (Tom Moore’s Q originally)to that list. NF tubing failed in the wheel pant near the disc. He locked up the other brake and did a 360. No damage. Quick repair and he was flying again.

Jim
N46JP - Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:47:32 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 

Hi Mike and Rich,

 

We just discussed two cases of the nylaflow tubing failing. One was last week, Ray McCrea’s long EZ and the other was Jim Patillo’s Q200 a few years ago.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Rich,

It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.

I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.

Fly Safe.

Mike Dwyer

 

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:


     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.




Re: Brake tube failures

charlie
 

You can change from Nylon tube to Teflon tube without needing to use the braided tube. The end fittings can be the same or upgraded.
CharlieN

At 05:24 AM 2/12/2020 +0000, you wrote:
Replaced both sides at wheel pant only, I think. May have switched to s/s braided there.

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Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jim Patillo
 

Replaced both sides at wheel pant only, I think. May have switched to s/s braided there.

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike via Groups.Io <n7000t@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:01:58 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 
Jim,
Did Brad update the tubing or just replace what is there?

Thanks 

Mike Q200wannabe 


On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_Engineering@...> wrote:


Hey Jay, Jerry and Mike,

You can add Brad Olsen (Tom Moore’s Q originally)to that list. NF tubing failed in the wheel pant near the disc. He locked up the other brake and did a 360. No damage. Quick repair and he was flying again.

Jim
N46JP - Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:47:32 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 

Hi Mike and Rich,

 

We just discussed two cases of the nylaflow tubing failing. One was last week, Ray McCrea’s long EZ and the other was Jim Patillo’s Q200 a few years ago.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Rich,

It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.

I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.

Fly Safe.

Mike Dwyer

 

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:


     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.




Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Jim,
Did Brad update the tubing or just replace what is there?

Thanks 

Mike Q200wannabe 


On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_Engineering@...> wrote:


Hey Jay, Jerry and Mike,

You can add Brad Olsen (Tom Moore’s Q originally)to that list. NF tubing failed in the wheel pant near the disc. He locked up the other brake and did a 360. No damage. Quick repair and he was flying again.

Jim
N46JP - Q200

Sent from Outer Space

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:47:32 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 

Hi Mike and Rich,

 

We just discussed two cases of the nylaflow tubing failing. One was last week, Ray McCrea’s long EZ and the other was Jim Patillo’s Q200 a few years ago.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Rich,

It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.

I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.

Fly Safe.

Mike Dwyer

 

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:


     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.




Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jim Patillo
 

Hey Jay, Jerry and Mike,

You can add Brad Olsen (Tom Moore’s Q originally)to that list. NF tubing failed in the wheel pant near the disc. He locked up the other brake and did a 360. No damage. Quick repair and he was flying again.

Jim
N46JP - Q200

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:47:32 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 

Hi Mike and Rich,

 

We just discussed two cases of the nylaflow tubing failing. One was last week, Ray McCrea’s long EZ and the other was Jim Patillo’s Q200 a few years ago.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Rich,

It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.

I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.

Fly Safe.

Mike Dwyer

 

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:


     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.




Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Mike and Rich,

 

We just discussed two cases of the nylaflow tubing failing. One was last week, Ray McCrea’s long EZ and the other was Jim Patillo’s Q200 a few years ago.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Rich,

It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.

I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.

Fly Safe.

Mike Dwyer

 

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:


     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.




Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Mike Dwyer
 

Hi Rich,
It doesn't sound like there have been any nylaflow tubing breaks.
I'm still running my 35 year old stuff with 1400 hours on it with no issues.  I took a piece of the leftover 35 year old stuff and tried to break it with no luck, it seemed pretty good.  I do a brake pressure test each time before landing so if it fails in flight I'll know that I'm landing with no brakes and can plan for that.
Fly Safe.
Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

     Hi Guys,

     So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

     Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

     Rich T.





Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Richard Thomson
 

Hi Guys,

    So where have the pipe ruptures been just for interest.

    Are they mainly are the caliper end due to heat ?

    Rich T.


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jim Patillo
 

Now that’s funny Sam. I don’t care what anybody says. 👍

Good to hear from you.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:19:35 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 
As previously mentioned, I swap out the nylaflow with every canard change.

Sam 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 5:03 PM Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
As we know, nothing lasts forever. I swapped mine out for more nylafow around the 10 yr point. About time to do again. Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 2/10/20 1:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

I know that Ray’s EZ was built 28 years ago, and to my knowledge, he had not replaced the lines since then.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

For those who have experienced nylaflow failure, how long had the lines been in service?

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>

Date: 2/10/20 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Sam Hoskins
 

As previously mentioned, I swap out the nylaflow with every canard change.

Sam 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 5:03 PM Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
As we know, nothing lasts forever. I swapped mine out for more nylafow around the 10 yr point. About time to do again. Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 2/10/20 1:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

I know that Ray’s EZ was built 28 years ago, and to my knowledge, he had not replaced the lines since then.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

For those who have experienced nylaflow failure, how long had the lines been in service?

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>

Date: 2/10/20 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

As we know, nothing lasts forever. I swapped mine out for more nylafow around the 10 yr point. About time to do again. Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 2/10/20 1:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

I know that Ray’s EZ was built 28 years ago, and to my knowledge, he had not replaced the lines since then.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

For those who have experienced nylaflow failure, how long had the lines been in service?

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>

Date: 2/10/20 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jim Patillo
 

Jerry, brake lines (stock) were installed in my plane new around 1995. Left side failed about 2’ right of of the wheel pant (in elevator slot)  2-3 years ago on landing at Auburn, Ca in pissing snow and light rain at dusk. Wasn’t a lot of fun.

Jim
N46JP Q200



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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:01:25 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
 

I know that Ray’s EZ was built 28 years ago, and to my knowledge, he had not replaced the lines since then.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

For those who have experienced nylaflow failure, how long had the lines been in service?

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>

Date: 2/10/20 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jay Scheevel
 

I know that Ray’s EZ was built 28 years ago, and to my knowledge, he had not replaced the lines since then.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

For those who have experienced nylaflow failure, how long had the lines been in service?

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>

Date: 2/10/20 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

For those who have experienced nylaflow failure, how long had the lines been in service?

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 2/10/20 11:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Mike,

 

Jim P can confirm whether I am correct or now, but I think that he (Jim) has had a failure in one of his nylaflow lines, and it was in the outer third of the wing, not close to the wheel.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:17 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

 

Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Jim,

 

I think that one piece solution will be fine and dandy. Need the high pressure fittings on each end. I ordered mine pre-made from discounthydraulichose.com

Saved a lot of headache and was very reasonably priced. Unfortunately, I think 1/4 “ is the minimum size for them.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 11:46 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

 

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

One Sky Dog
 

Nylaflow ages poorly. Nylon requires a small amount of water in the matrix. We had to soak injected molded nylon structural parts in 190 F water for 24 hrs after injecting at 600 F. I believe the water slowly disperses by evaporation over time and heat exposure reducing flexibility.

I converted to stainless steel 1/8” lines with flexible SS braided Teflon lined swaged fittings in 2006. No leaks firmer brakes. Steel is real no fatigue.

Regards,

On Feb 10, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  

Mike Q200 N3QP

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200


Re: First air-to-air shots of N8WQ

Bruce Crain
 

I have had aluminum tubing and braided stainless steel Teflon from the beginning.  No worries here.
I do understand that the Nyla flow is effected by heat ie being close to the brake disc/caliper.
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First air-to-air shots of N8WQ
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:17:09 -0500

That raises a question.  Has any Tail Dagger Q had a nylaflow failure?  The nose wheel versions can really stand on the brakes so the Tri-Q might benifit from better brake line.  
 
Mike Q200 N3QP

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 01:46 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Thanks Jay,
  
I’ll let Ray know you’re thinking about him.

I plan on using AN2 S/S braided Teflon, 3,000 psi. Do you see any issues running AN2 full length from caliper to brake cylinders on rudder pedals, other than the difference in weight? Just curious. 

Jim

N46JP Q200



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