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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Martin Skiby
 

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Joe Hood
 

Interesting, the one and only time I've ever sat in mine. My head (I'm 6'3") hit the canopy in the right seat (full padding) and left seat was fine (extensive sitz marks). I thought the curve of the felt good, even without the pad. I bet a thin backpacking pad would work well in a pinch.


Re: Reg’s Expresso

Jim Patillo
 

Hi Sam,

I don’t know much about it other than what Reg said. Maybe he will shed some light! It might help someone else.

Btw, do you have the Yamaha part number for the 8 retainer springs for the exhaust pipe connection to engine.



Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:03:37 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reg’s Expresso
 
Jim, I missed the first part of this story, though it's apparent. 

What are the details? 

Sam 


Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Reginald Clarke <airryder@...>
 

Ya that’s true, he was telling me some of the airplanes he’s flown and well he was good at stick and rudder. He must hit really hard few times because these airplanes are difficult to brake like he did this one 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:09, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Dan Thomas
 

 Jim, Jerry, and all others,

Please do not cut up your airplanes upon your retirement from flying them.   I have been wanting to fly one for so many years now, and understanding that no owner is going to let me fly theirs, I tried to buy one a few years ago but it was sold to someone else instead of me even though I was making a better offer.  This experience has really soured me on how some people operate in regards to buying and selling experimental aircraft.   I still hope to fly a Q bird someday either by ownership or whatever because I think they are the most incredible airplane design of all time.

—Dan Thomas
   Everett, WA
   700 hrs Luscombe 8A
   1300 hrs RV-6




On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 2:09 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Reg’s Expresso

Sam Hoskins
 

Jim, I missed the first part of this story, though it's apparent. 

What are the details? 

Sam 


Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Robert Cringely
 

I was going to buy a Vari-EZ a number of years ago but I still wasn't comfortable after an hour of takeoffs and landings so I walked away from the deal. I just couldn't keep my wrist from flaring. Yet when it came time to fly my Quickie (Q1) there was no problem. I just told myself it was a taildragger and I was doing a wheel landing. I had 2800 hours before flying my first tricycle aircraft so that psychological trick was easy once I thought of it.  


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:09 PM One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Reg’s Expresdo

One Sky Dog
 

They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Jerry Marstall
 

Amen, Jim
Jerry 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 3:29 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

John Hoxie
 

Has anyone tried the egg sitter gel support seat or one of the similar purple seat cushions? 

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 12:53:59 PM MDT, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:


Damn. Another one lost to an ego.

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/14/20 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Reg,

 

So sorry to hear the fate of your nice plane. I had heard rumors, but hoped it was not that bad. I am happy to be flying my own now and do my best to keep each flight safe. Hope you are well also.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Hello Jay,

That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  

Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe

Sincerely 

Reg CLARKE

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 




On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  Image removed by sender. wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  Image removed by sender. red_smile

Bruce

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Reg’s Expresdo

Jim Patillo
 

Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Damn. Another one lost to an ego.

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/14/20 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Reg,

 

So sorry to hear the fate of your nice plane. I had heard rumors, but hoped it was not that bad. I am happy to be flying my own now and do my best to keep each flight safe. Hope you are well also.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Hello Jay,

That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  

Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe

Sincerely 

Reg CLARKE

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 




On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  

Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Reg,

 

So sorry to hear the fate of your nice plane. I had heard rumors, but hoped it was not that bad. I am happy to be flying my own now and do my best to keep each flight safe. Hope you are well also.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Hello Jay,

That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  

Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe

Sincerely 

Reg CLARKE

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 




On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  Image removed by sender. wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  Image removed by sender. red_smile

Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Reginald Clarke <airryder@...>
 

Hello Jay,
That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  
Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe
Sincerely 
Reg CLARKE





On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile

Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile

Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Reginald Clarke <airryder@...>
 

To Corbin,
What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 
I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats
If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

Sincerely, Reg C





On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Corbin 
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain
 

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks John,

 

So, based on this info, we are looking at (GW of 1000 pounds) a power loading of 15.4 lb/hp! Probably unconfortable for anything but a looong strip and low density altitude.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hoxie via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 4:13 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

The original Revmaster was 64 h.p. and the Rev Flo carburetor raised it to 65h.p.

 

 

John Hoxie

He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot

 

 

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 03:26:30 PM MDT, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

 

 

My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

 

Corbin

 

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On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!

77_77

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 

 

 


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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

I found that I am plenty comfortable with just the thinnest of memory foam on the seat bottom. Maybe you could take the bottom cushion back to the person that make it for you and have most of the foam removed. Here is my cockpit. Fuel tank is covered with Lear Jet carpet, then seat backs like yours (except thinner) and seat bottoms are just two pieces of fabric quilted over the thin memory foam (just peeking into the right corner of the second photo). I have flown long distance with no discomfort and lots of welcome headroom.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

 

Corbin

 

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On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!

77_77

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 

 

 


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