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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

One Sky Dog
 

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain
 

There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Brilliant.....now researching foam options and might even could put in the foam from previous seat.  Love this group.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.




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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Rik
 

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain
 

I didn’t say it would relax in time.  I think that was the upholstery guy.  I said it relaxes when it gets warm from your butt sitting on it.
Bruce


On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain
 

Normally they put 3 pieces of 1" foam with the stiffest being on the bottom and the softest on the top.  Is you foam only one piece?  I kind of like what Reg said.  "Sand the foam down where  your butt sits" if it is only one piece.  If it is 3 pieces just take out one or 2 of the 1" foams.  If it is one piece you can order the one inch foam and cut to size and let your upholstery guy or gal refit.
Surely your upholsterer can size the leather down to fit without much trouble.
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Hmm....the shop says it will conform but I am sure it is also high quality so maybe it will take longer than I am thinking.  I might look into the sanding method and just deal with loose leather.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:50 AM, "Reginald Clarke via groups.io" <airryder@...> wrote:

Comment on foam, 
If the foam is a cheaper (low density) and or open cell foam it will compress over time and stop bouncing back. If it’s a good quality foam ( high density closed cell furniture foam type) it’s may take years for it to compress because it keeps pushing back according to pressure on it there for can be comfortable but it needs to be shaped. What I would consider is taking out foam and sanding it down and dish out the foam  with 40 to 80 grit sandpaper to the shape you want move. 

Reg C





On Apr 15, 2020, at 07:38, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Reginald Clarke
 

Comment on foam, 
If the foam is a cheaper (low density) and or open cell foam it will compress over time and stop bouncing back. If it’s a good quality foam ( high density closed cell furniture foam type) it’s may take years for it to compress because it keeps pushing back according to pressure on it there for can be comfortable but it needs to be shaped. What I would consider is taking out foam and sanding it down and dish out the foam  with 40 to 80 grit sandpaper to the shape you want move. 

Reg C




On Apr 15, 2020, at 07:38, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Corbin
 

Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

One Sky Dog
 

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Corbin
 

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Adrian Rogers
 

Before I had my seats made, I bought one of those rolled up camping pads (1/4” - 3/8” thick) From Walmart; I cut it to fit perfectly...no complaints, it served its purpose. 👍

Sent from the ultimate iPhone 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

Interesting, the one and only time I've ever sat in mine. My head (I'm 6'3") hit the canopy in the right seat (full padding) and left seat was fine (extensive sitz marks). I thought the curve of the felt good, even without the pad. I bet a thin backpacking pad would work well in a pinch.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Martin Skiby
 

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Joe Hood
 

Interesting, the one and only time I've ever sat in mine. My head (I'm 6'3") hit the canopy in the right seat (full padding) and left seat was fine (extensive sitz marks). I thought the curve of the felt good, even without the pad. I bet a thin backpacking pad would work well in a pinch.

Re: Reg’s Expresso

Jim Patillo
 

Hi Sam,

I don’t know much about it other than what Reg said. Maybe he will shed some light! It might help someone else.

Btw, do you have the Yamaha part number for the 8 retainer springs for the exhaust pipe connection to engine.



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Jim, I missed the first part of this story, though it's apparent. 

What are the details? 

Sam 

Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Reginald Clarke
 

Ya that’s true, he was telling me some of the airplanes he’s flown and well he was good at stick and rudder. He must hit really hard few times because these airplanes are difficult to brake like he did this one 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:09, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200

Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Dan Thomas
 

 Jim, Jerry, and all others,

Please do not cut up your airplanes upon your retirement from flying them.   I have been wanting to fly one for so many years now, and understanding that no owner is going to let me fly theirs, I tried to buy one a few years ago but it was sold to someone else instead of me even though I was making a better offer.  This experience has really soured me on how some people operate in regards to buying and selling experimental aircraft.   I still hope to fly a Q bird someday either by ownership or whatever because I think they are the most incredible airplane design of all time.

—Dan Thomas
   Everett, WA
   700 hrs Luscombe 8A
   1300 hrs RV-6




On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 2:09 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200

Re: Reg’s Expresso

Sam Hoskins
 

Jim, I missed the first part of this story, though it's apparent. 

What are the details? 

Sam 

Re: Reg’s Expresdo

Robert Cringely
 

I was going to buy a Vari-EZ a number of years ago but I still wasn't comfortable after an hour of takeoffs and landings so I walked away from the deal. I just couldn't keep my wrist from flaring. Yet when it came time to fly my Quickie (Q1) there was no problem. I just told myself it was a taildragger and I was doing a wheel landing. I had 2800 hours before flying my first tricycle aircraft so that psychological trick was easy once I thought of it.  


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:09 PM One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200

Re: Reg’s Expresdo

One Sky Dog
 

They just do not teach canard flying in pilot training. Pilots think single engine land I can fly that and do not understand what they are gettin into.


On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Hey Reg,

I’m very sorry to hear about your beautiful “Expresso”.


This is a story that is getting real old and one that keeps repeating itself.  I for one am getting tired of
”Know It All’s” buying our beautiful totally proven airplanes and smashing and destroying them on the first or second flight. The people that successfully transition to the Q or Dragonfly’s are the ones that LISTEN and don’t keep telling you what they don’t know. These planes could have had much better resale value if this wasn’t happening. I don’t care if you fly a 150 or a 767, this airplane has to be respected or it can kick your ass. 

Maybe I will just cut mine up when the time comes. 
Jim
N46JP Q200