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Re: Selling Q2

Corbin
 

On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Mark Palazzo <markpalazzo@...> wrote:

Try this number in eBay search.

264796827060

It ends Wednesday 8:45 pm                   7-22-2020



On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:15 AM, John Lewis <john@...> wrote:


Mark,

I don't see it yet.  Is it sold already?

John Lewis

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:46 AM Mark Palazzo <markpalazzo@...> wrote:
I’m selling Q2 (damaged tail) on Ebay
For parts or repair. It formerly was hanging in Blackhawk hanger in Janesville WI.




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Selling Q2

Mark Palazzo
 

Try this number in eBay search.

264796827060

It ends Wednesday 8:45 pm                   7-22-2020



On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:15 AM, John Lewis <john@...> wrote:


Mark,

I don't see it yet.  Is it sold already?

John Lewis

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:46 AM Mark Palazzo <markpalazzo@...> wrote:
I’m selling Q2 (damaged tail) on Ebay
For parts or repair. It formerly was hanging in Blackhawk hanger in Janesville WI.




Re: Selling Q2

John Lewis
 

Mark,

I don't see it yet.  Is it sold already?

John Lewis

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:46 AM Mark Palazzo <markpalazzo@...> wrote:
I’m selling Q2 (damaged tail) on Ebay
For parts or repair. It formerly was hanging in Blackhawk hanger in Janesville WI.




Selling Q2

Mark Palazzo
 

I’m selling Q2 (damaged tail) on Ebay
For parts or repair. It formerly was hanging in Blackhawk hanger in Janesville WI.


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Bruce Crain
 

So sorry Joe!  It would have made a great cross country aircraft!
Bruce


On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:


2.1 with the 75hp heads. Empty weight of 620 lbs. 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:03 AM Theo Scheepers <theo.intermark@...> wrote:
Hi Joe
I’m so glad that you’re safe. As a matter of interest which  Revmaster engine were you using  the 2,1 L or the 2,4L and what was your aircraft’s empty weight 
Regards 
Theo


On 16 Jul 2020, at 03:03, Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Joe
I'm sorry about your crash as well, but glad you are ok. Also grateful for your consideration and courage to share your experience with our group. Things happen quick and could happen to any of us at any time, so sharing your experience hopefully keeps the rest of us alert.
Dave Dugas


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:28 PM, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:
I don't think with the visible delamination in the fuselage that I have anything worth rebuilding. A bit of uncertainty now as family members weigh in and may have to delay my dreaming again.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM John ten via groups.io <johntenhave=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Glad to hear you walked / limped away..a hard lesson to learn. 

I would suspect you were well down on power.  If your report saves one person from a similar or worse fate, it was not a complete loss. I could not help but reflect that your images were the perfect metaphor for 2020...

What are the plans going forward?


On Thu, 16 Jul. 2020 at 6:46 am, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.




Re: Keith, Zoom

Jay Scheevel
 

Great job, Keith! Video was a little weird, but I understood everything you went over. Thanks for doing this.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:19 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Keith, Zoom

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ/


Re: Keith, Zoom

Brian Larick
 

We’re the brakes talked about?  Is it still single lever or dual?

Brian

On Jul 16, 2020, at 08:01, "gbrighton@..." <gbrighton@...> wrote:


Super great watching ( im just youtube) ... THANKS to all the Zoomers .... and the fantastic series thats really terrific ..,
Awesome ; )
Cheers,
Graham Brighton
 

Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Keith, Zoom

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ/

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Keith, Zoom

gbrighton@...
 

Super great watching ( im just youtube) ... THANKS to all the Zoomers .... and the fantastic series thats really terrific ..,
Awesome ; )
Cheers,
Graham Brighton
 

Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Keith, Zoom

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ/

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Joe Hood
 

2.1 with the 75hp heads. Empty weight of 620 lbs. 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:03 AM Theo Scheepers <theo.intermark@...> wrote:
Hi Joe
I’m so glad that you’re safe. As a matter of interest which  Revmaster engine were you using  the 2,1 L or the 2,4L and what was your aircraft’s empty weight 
Regards 
Theo


On 16 Jul 2020, at 03:03, Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Joe
I'm sorry about your crash as well, but glad you are ok. Also grateful for your consideration and courage to share your experience with our group. Things happen quick and could happen to any of us at any time, so sharing your experience hopefully keeps the rest of us alert.
Dave Dugas


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:28 PM, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:
I don't think with the visible delamination in the fuselage that I have anything worth rebuilding. A bit of uncertainty now as family members weigh in and may have to delay my dreaming again.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM John ten via groups.io <johntenhave=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Glad to hear you walked / limped away..a hard lesson to learn. 

I would suspect you were well down on power.  If your report saves one person from a similar or worse fate, it was not a complete loss. I could not help but reflect that your images were the perfect metaphor for 2020...

What are the plans going forward?


On Thu, 16 Jul. 2020 at 6:46 am, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Theo Scheepers
 

Hi Joe
I’m so glad that you’re safe. As a matter of interest which  Revmaster engine were you using  the 2,1 L or the 2,4L and what was your aircraft’s empty weight 
Regards 
Theo


On 16 Jul 2020, at 03:03, Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2@...> wrote:

Hi Joe
I'm sorry about your crash as well, but glad you are ok. Also grateful for your consideration and courage to share your experience with our group. Things happen quick and could happen to any of us at any time, so sharing your experience hopefully keeps the rest of us alert.
Dave Dugas


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:28 PM, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:
I don't think with the visible delamination in the fuselage that I have anything worth rebuilding. A bit of uncertainty now as family members weigh in and may have to delay my dreaming again.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM John ten via groups.io <johntenhave=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Glad to hear you walked / limped away..a hard lesson to learn. 

I would suspect you were well down on power.  If your report saves one person from a similar or worse fate, it was not a complete loss. I could not help but reflect that your images were the perfect metaphor for 2020...

What are the plans going forward?


On Thu, 16 Jul. 2020 at 6:46 am, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.


Re: Video of Field of Dreams 2019!

millenniumflier@...
 

Hey John, many thanks for the good words, grateful you enjoyed it!  Glad it played well for you!

Thanks again,

Blessings,

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns@...>
To: main <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Video of Field of Dreams 2019!

Just finished your awesome video Alan! Thanx for all the work.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 07:36:09 AM MDT, John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns@...> wrote:


Alan,

I didn't receive it yesterday either. I will upload my pictures & video to DropBox and send the link (which lasts about a week) to this group I took at Field of Dreams. I'm looking forward to watching your video today, Alan. Alan, are you going to the Fling this week?


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:19 AM, millenniumflier via groups.io
<millenniumflier@...> wrote:
Thanks, Rick!  Interesting...  glad you got both messages...  and thanks for the encouragement!  Hope you enjoy the rest of it too!  :-)

Thanks again,

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hole <r.hole@...>
To: main <main@q-list.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 6:05 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Video of Field of Dreams 2019!

Both messages arrived.  I watched part of the video but was interrupted.  looking forward to the rest of it.  Well done!
Rick Hole 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 11:12 PM millenniumflier via groups.io <millenniumflier=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Hope you all are doing well. Yesterday, I sent out an e-mail to the Q List, but it seems that very few received it, I just talked with a few friends and they have no trace of anything from me on the Q List yesterday, so I’m re-sending this, in the hopes that it will get through ok, as some messages don’t seem to go through, or if they do, they wind up in your spam folder. I wanted to let everyone know that I have been working hard on editing together all the video footage that I took at our Field of Dreams event last year in Enid, and finally have a really nice presentation to share. In the past, I had made professional quality DVD sets, complete with a nice case, graphics, motion menus, and even spread over two discs, but all these years later, I’m not sure who might even still have DVD players around. I do, but then I guess I’m a dinosaur! So I am posting the video on YouTube, it’s free for the whole world to see, and no worries about getting a bad disc in the mail, or region mis-matches, or sending me a check and all….


It came out to just over an hour and a half, and is a nice encapsulation of the fun, food and fellowship that we shared last September in Enid. I was able to retain most of our big Saturday night Banquet proceedings, though that alone, ran well over 3 hours. But the history that Jim Masal shared of our organization is priceless, and that made the cut. As an actor/filmmaker, I have learned that less is more, yet there is still a story to be told, so I hope everyone enjoys it.


Again, I hope you get this, and if you can take a look at it, please do let me know if you experience any issues, like sync problems, gaps, stupid ads, and I’ll try to get back to YouTube on those. It took almost 8 hours alone to upload and process, so there could be some hiccups, but I wanted it in hi-def, so I hope will look good to you. My final edited version that did finally get uploaded seemed to play fine. Stream it if you can to your big-screen TV, it should look great! Please feel free to leave comments too! Especially, I guess, let me know if you were able get the YouTube link below and if it works, thanks!


I wanted it to be a nice reminder of the time we spent together last year, and for those who weren’t able to attend, I hope the video will help you think about trying to make our next event and will serve as a shot-in-the-arm for you to keep building. We always come away refreshed, encouraged and re-vitalized as builders and flyers!

https://youtu.be/sT5FmhNc_wc

Enjoy and let me know how y’all like it!


Be safe out there, and fly safe,

Alan Thayer

Quickie 1, Q-2, LongEZ,

Livermore, CA



Re: Video of Field of Dreams 2019!

John Hoxie
 

Just finished your awesome video Alan! Thanx for all the work.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 07:36:09 AM MDT, John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns@...> wrote:


Alan,

I didn't receive it yesterday either. I will upload my pictures & video to DropBox and send the link (which lasts about a week) to this group I took at Field of Dreams. I'm looking forward to watching your video today, Alan. Alan, are you going to the Fling this week?


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:19 AM, millenniumflier via groups.io
<millenniumflier@...> wrote:
Thanks, Rick!  Interesting...  glad you got both messages...  and thanks for the encouragement!  Hope you enjoy the rest of it too!  :-)

Thanks again,

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hole <r.hole@...>
To: main <main@q-list.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 6:05 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Video of Field of Dreams 2019!

Both messages arrived.  I watched part of the video but was interrupted.  looking forward to the rest of it.  Well done!
Rick Hole 

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 11:12 PM millenniumflier via groups.io <millenniumflier=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Hope you all are doing well. Yesterday, I sent out an e-mail to the Q List, but it seems that very few received it, I just talked with a few friends and they have no trace of anything from me on the Q List yesterday, so I’m re-sending this, in the hopes that it will get through ok, as some messages don’t seem to go through, or if they do, they wind up in your spam folder. I wanted to let everyone know that I have been working hard on editing together all the video footage that I took at our Field of Dreams event last year in Enid, and finally have a really nice presentation to share. In the past, I had made professional quality DVD sets, complete with a nice case, graphics, motion menus, and even spread over two discs, but all these years later, I’m not sure who might even still have DVD players around. I do, but then I guess I’m a dinosaur! So I am posting the video on YouTube, it’s free for the whole world to see, and no worries about getting a bad disc in the mail, or region mis-matches, or sending me a check and all….


It came out to just over an hour and a half, and is a nice encapsulation of the fun, food and fellowship that we shared last September in Enid. I was able to retain most of our big Saturday night Banquet proceedings, though that alone, ran well over 3 hours. But the history that Jim Masal shared of our organization is priceless, and that made the cut. As an actor/filmmaker, I have learned that less is more, yet there is still a story to be told, so I hope everyone enjoys it.


Again, I hope you get this, and if you can take a look at it, please do let me know if you experience any issues, like sync problems, gaps, stupid ads, and I’ll try to get back to YouTube on those. It took almost 8 hours alone to upload and process, so there could be some hiccups, but I wanted it in hi-def, so I hope will look good to you. My final edited version that did finally get uploaded seemed to play fine. Stream it if you can to your big-screen TV, it should look great! Please feel free to leave comments too! Especially, I guess, let me know if you were able get the YouTube link below and if it works, thanks!


I wanted it to be a nice reminder of the time we spent together last year, and for those who weren’t able to attend, I hope the video will help you think about trying to make our next event and will serve as a shot-in-the-arm for you to keep building. We always come away refreshed, encouraged and re-vitalized as builders and flyers!

https://youtu.be/sT5FmhNc_wc

Enjoy and let me know how y’all like it!


Be safe out there, and fly safe,

Alan Thayer

Quickie 1, Q-2, LongEZ,

Livermore, CA



Re: Hope You're Sitting Down!

millenniumflier@...
 

Hey Kevin,

Thanks so much for the good confirmation, it's crazy cuz lots of people didn't get the first send-out, but glad that somehow you did... and glad the video worked ok for you, grateful you enjoyed it.  And yeah, in the future, i hope to get more actual footage of my flying too, so i'll have to start doing that.  Interestingly, some people actually subscribed to my channel, so that's a compliment!  Now i'll have to keep things coming!

Thanks again for the data point, that's helpful, just to know how the Q List handles things like URL's on it...  and yup, see you in Enid in a few months, Lord willing!  We just heard in the news out here  that the Gov of OK has now tested positive.... immediately, i thought about the fly-in... uh oh! 

Stay well, Kevin and thanks again!

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
To: main <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hope You're Sitting Down!

Alan,
Fantastic presentation!
Most fun to watch. Need more of your flying footage too!
Data point, I got the first email from the list and was able to watch from that URL.
See you in Enid!

Kevin


On Jul 13, 2020, at 6:09 PM, millenniumflier via groups.io <millenniumflier@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,


Hope you all are doing well. And hope you are sitting down… find a chair real quick...you just might feel faint… I wanted to let you know that I have been working hard on editing together all the video footage that I took at our Field of Dreams event last year in Enid, and finally have a really nice presentation to share with you. In the past, I had made professional quality DVD sets, complete with a nice case, graphics, motion menus, and even spread over two discs, but all these years later, I’m not even sure who might still have DVD players around. I do, but then I guess I’m a dinosaur! So I am posting the video on YouTube, it’s free for the whole world to see, and no worries about getting a bad disc in the mail, or region mis-matches, or sending me a check and all….


It came out to just over an hour and a half, and is a nice encapsulation of the fun, food and fellowship that we shared last September in Enid. I was able to retain most of our big Saturday night Banquet proceedings, though that alone, ran well over 3 hours. But the history that Jim Masal shared of our organization is priceless, and that made the cut. As an actor/filmmaker, I have learned that less is more, yet there is still a story to be told, so I hope everyone enjoys it.


Please let me know if you experience any issues, like sync problems, gaps, stupid ads, and I’ll try to get back to YouTube on those. It took almost 8 hours alone to upload and process, so there could be some hiccups, but I wanted it in hi-def, so I hope will look good to you. My final edited version that did finally get uploaded seemed to play fine. Stream it if you can to your big-screen TV, it should look great! Please feel free to leave comments too!


I put in countless hours of work on it, so I hope it will be a sweet reminder of the time we spent together last year, and for those who weren’t able to attend, I hope the video will help you think about trying to make our next event and will serve as a shot-in-the-arm for you to keep building. We always come away refreshed, encouraged and re-vitalized as builders and flyers!


https://youtu.be/sT5FmhNc_wc


Enjoy and let me know how y’all like it!


Be safe out there, and fly safe,


Alan Thayer

Quickie 1, Q-2, LongEZ,

Livermore, CA


Re: Hope You're Sitting Down!

Kevin Boddicker
 

Alan,
Fantastic presentation!
Most fun to watch. Need more of your flying footage too!
Data point, I got the first email from the list and was able to watch from that URL.
See you in Enid!

Kevin


On Jul 13, 2020, at 6:09 PM, millenniumflier via groups.io <millenniumflier@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,


Hope you all are doing well. And hope you are sitting down… find a chair real quick...you just might feel faint… I wanted to let you know that I have been working hard on editing together all the video footage that I took at our Field of Dreams event last year in Enid, and finally have a really nice presentation to share with you. In the past, I had made professional quality DVD sets, complete with a nice case, graphics, motion menus, and even spread over two discs, but all these years later, I’m not even sure who might still have DVD players around. I do, but then I guess I’m a dinosaur! So I am posting the video on YouTube, it’s free for the whole world to see, and no worries about getting a bad disc in the mail, or region mis-matches, or sending me a check and all….


It came out to just over an hour and a half, and is a nice encapsulation of the fun, food and fellowship that we shared last September in Enid. I was able to retain most of our big Saturday night Banquet proceedings, though that alone, ran well over 3 hours. But the history that Jim Masal shared of our organization is priceless, and that made the cut. As an actor/filmmaker, I have learned that less is more, yet there is still a story to be told, so I hope everyone enjoys it.


Please let me know if you experience any issues, like sync problems, gaps, stupid ads, and I’ll try to get back to YouTube on those. It took almost 8 hours alone to upload and process, so there could be some hiccups, but I wanted it in hi-def, so I hope will look good to you. My final edited version that did finally get uploaded seemed to play fine. Stream it if you can to your big-screen TV, it should look great! Please feel free to leave comments too!


I put in countless hours of work on it, so I hope it will be a sweet reminder of the time we spent together last year, and for those who weren’t able to attend, I hope the video will help you think about trying to make our next event and will serve as a shot-in-the-arm for you to keep building. We always come away refreshed, encouraged and re-vitalized as builders and flyers!


https://youtu.be/sT5FmhNc_wc


Enjoy and let me know how y’all like it!


Be safe out there, and fly safe,


Alan Thayer

Quickie 1, Q-2, LongEZ,

Livermore, CA


Re: Keith, Zoom

Sam Hoskins
 


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Joe
I'm sorry about your crash as well, but glad you are ok. Also grateful for your consideration and courage to share your experience with our group. Things happen quick and could happen to any of us at any time, so sharing your experience hopefully keeps the rest of us alert.
Dave Dugas


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:28 PM, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:
I don't think with the visible delamination in the fuselage that I have anything worth rebuilding. A bit of uncertainty now as family members weigh in and may have to delay my dreaming again.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM John ten via groups.io <johntenhave=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Glad to hear you walked / limped away..a hard lesson to learn. 

I would suspect you were well down on power.  If your report saves one person from a similar or worse fate, it was not a complete loss. I could not help but reflect that your images were the perfect metaphor for 2020...

What are the plans going forward?


On Thu, 16 Jul. 2020 at 6:46 am, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Joe Hood
 

I don't think with the visible delamination in the fuselage that I have anything worth rebuilding. A bit of uncertainty now as family members weigh in and may have to delay my dreaming again.


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM John ten via groups.io <johntenhave=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Glad to hear you walked / limped away..a hard lesson to learn. 

I would suspect you were well down on power.  If your report saves one person from a similar or worse fate, it was not a complete loss. I could not help but reflect that your images were the perfect metaphor for 2020...

What are the plans going forward?


On Thu, 16 Jul. 2020 at 6:46 am, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

John ten
 

Glad to hear you walked / limped away..a hard lesson to learn. 

I would suspect you were well down on power.  If your report saves one person from a similar or worse fate, it was not a complete loss. I could not help but reflect that your images were the perfect metaphor for 2020...

What are the plans going forward?


On Thu, 16 Jul. 2020 at 6:46 am, Joe Hood
<joe.hood@...> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

One Sky Dog
 

Preston, Idaho was on my phase one north boundary. I flew up there once in my Dragonfly and gave it a look and decided NO. 

Glad you are ok and yes you do need to lean for best power at altitudes.

Right now At OGD 4361 ft pa 89.8 F. 7334 Ft DA 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:


Talked to both FAA and NTSB. They both had pictures, so I don't think there is any hold. I think with the visible delamination, there is no putting her back together. One blade of the wooden prop is broken but the wings appeared to take the bulk of the damage, so the 75hp Revmaster could go somewhere. But the wreckage is in Preston, ID and I'm now back in MI.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 3:25 PM John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Joe,
Terribly sorry to hear about that. Can you retrieve it now or does the NTSB investigate? Mine is still a project, so I can't speak from experience, but I will add 500 feet of runway length required for every thousand feet of density altitude. My local airport is 9200 feet long and 4200 elevation. This time of year it is in the upper 90s and 100s, but the humidity is low.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 12:46:34 PM MDT, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:


I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.


Re: Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks for the report, Joe. I am sorry to hear about your plane, but very glad that you got out unhurt and chose to share your tale with us.

 

I agree with Paul and Jim M., especially the point that the Revmaster is no engine for high density altitude.

 

I apologize if any of my flight reports about my short strip have given the impression that this is routine for a Q2. It is not, even for mine. I have a Jabiru 3300 engine (200 cu. In.) which does 120 hp at sea level. My static RPM is close to the redline of a continental O-200, so I am generating a lot of power, even at high density altitude, yet I am still am wary of density altitude. My previous plane which I logged 300+ hours out of my short field had the same power loading and wing loading as my Tri-Q2, so I also had that reference point.

 

I think Joe is well aware of this issue now, but please, no one else on this group should be cavalier about density altitude when it comes to these Q’s. I spent a lot of time documenting take-off distance as a function of DA on a 10,000’ runway before I ever considered going in or out of my home strip. Even then, the first flights in and out were in the winter and were very focused on documenting the capabilities.

 

If you have the test flight data to support your efforts, you can verify the envelope, but you should gather the data and scrutinize it before you even think about pushing limits.

 

Cheers,

Jay  Tri-Q2, N8WQ 100 hours.

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of JMasal via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:37 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

 

AND a 75 horse Revmaster.

A 3400 foot runway with 8000' density altitude is just scary!



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Im Sorry, I Crashed my Q2

Joe, 

I'm glad you are alright.  And thank you for sharing, hopefully someone else can learn from this.  A 3400 foot runway with 8000' density altitude is just scary!

 

Paul

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 14:14 Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

Just to clarify, this wasn't my first flight but the start of the second leg, after 3.5 hours of cross-country flying. I had done a number of touch and goes but only in density altitudes up to 4500'.

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 2:46 PM Joe Hood via groups.io <joe.hood=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I spent so much time learning how to fly my Q2 (high speed taxis and all) but didn't learn proper performance taking off at 8000' density altitude.

The alternate airport I chose from the air had way too short of a runway (3400') when just 20 miles more was a strip of 9000' (I normally fly out of 3500' runway (at 839'), so the normal warning bells didn't sound). My planned destination had a 10,000' strip.

On take off, doing the normal hold the stick back until rotation, then release pressure at 70: nothing happened. 75mph, still on the ground. 50 foot wide runway and my hold the plane on the centerline was not good enough to brake and remain on the runway. At the end of the runway was a cliff. I ended up trying to push the plane into ground effect, like other planes but only succeeded in porpoising and rolling right. I leveled on the way down, impacted terrain, then off a bluff, landing in a Russian Olive tree (overlooking a river valley at U10).

I am lucky to be alive.

In hindsight I didn't need to learn mountain flying at the same time as learning to fly the Q2; flying her was like having fleeting time with a high school crush. The Q2 was like the perfect horse, you could direct her whichever direction you wanted her to go.

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