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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Bruce Crain
 

LS1 gotta have em. GU I understand doesn’t. You might not be able to hold on to the stick without the LS1 strainers. Really heavy pressure forward. In fact if the strainers are not dialed in it will have a lot of pressure also.
Bruce
On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:15 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic. I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them? Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Jim Patillo
 

Corbin,

While the GU canard is a decent canard it had the issues all GU’s have. They are useless in rain or bugs without VG’s as I said to you way back. The LS1 canard is much more forgiving and doesn’t change its lift characteristics with rain or bugs on them. Contrary to an opinion stated earlier, the LS1 is not a garbage airfoil or a band aid. One should fly both wings before spewing off about them.

The “sparrow strainers” were added because of the increased speed of the 0200 as I understood it, to keep the stick forces lower and to prevent a high speed tuck.

Jerry is very correct. Don’t fly the LS1 without the sparrow strainers or you will have a bad day. VG’s are the band aid in my opinion. Just sayin’

Jim Patillo

N46JP Q200
1750 hours on my LS1 airframe

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 5:15:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?
 
DO NOT fly without them.

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 7/26/20 8:04 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

The sparrow strainers on the LS1 are a band-aid. The LS1 airfoil was not designed to have an articulated trailing edge (the elevator). This is because there is a significant under-camber near the trailing edge. The airflow across the trailing edge causes the free floating elevator to move trailing edge up in flight and would require the pilot to compensate with significant aft stick pressure, just to hold the elevator in trail (neutral). The sparrow strainers counter this tendency, so stick pressure is balanced in flight. The shape of the GU canard/elevator does not require this correction, so no sparrow strainers are needed.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic.  I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them?  Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
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Re: View from the hangar

Richard Thomson
 

Hey Mike,  Thats cheating, great view AND a sunset ( or is it dawn ??)

Rich T.

On 25/07/2020 01:35, Mike Dwyer wrote:
DSCN1928.JPG
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:39 AM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

    Thats a great idea, we should all take a picture of the outlook from our hangers as a comparison.

    I know Jay's beats mine already in terms of natural beauty, but we do get some great aircraft come past the doors. :-0

    Rich T.

On 24/07/2020 01:16, John Hoxie via groups.io wrote:
Jay,
My airport KALM is only 410 miles from you. Perhaps you could drop in sometime.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 05:00:26 AM MDT, Keith Welsh <klw494@...> wrote:


Very relaxing atmosphere.  Got me jealous.
Now I understand why your TriQ is so near perfect.
That scenery for building would have me in a good mood too. 
Great photos, thanks for sharing.
Keith

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

My plane is very happy to have bugs removed this morning, and to be looking out on familiar territory. I told some folks at the Summer-Fling about the peaceful view from my hangar, so I thought I would send a picture or two.

 

My hangar view

 

The “next door neighbors”

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Corbin
 

Awesome.  Thanks.  I’m glad to have the GU canard and no sparrow strainer.

Corbin

On Jul 26, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

You nailed it, it's a GU vs LS1 thing. 

Just one of several reasons the LS1 is a pretty garbage airfoil. Turns out that when used in an area with a control surface the elevator/aileron portion will "float" upwards and dump lift. The sparrow strainer is simply a fixed trim tab to prevent that from happening, at the cost of some drag, just as Jay said.

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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

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Corbin 
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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Michael Dunning
 
Edited

You nailed it, it's a GU vs LS1 thing. 

Just one of several reasons the LS1 is a pretty garbage airfoil. Turns out that when used in an area with a control surface the elevator/aileron portion will "float" upwards and dump lift. The sparrow strainer is simply a fixed trim tab to prevent that from happening, at the cost of some drag, just as Jay said.

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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Martin Skiby
 

Well said Jerry.

Martin

 


On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:


The sparrow strainers on the LS1 are a band-aid. The LS1 airfoil was not designed to have an articulated trailing edge (the elevator). This is because there is a significant under-camber near the trailing edge. The airflow across the trailing edge causes the free floating elevator to move trailing edge up in flight and would require the pilot to compensate with significant aft stick pressure, just to hold the elevator in trail (neutral). The sparrow strainers counter this tendency, so stick pressure is balanced in flight. The shape of the GU canard/elevator does not require this correction, so no sparrow strainers are needed.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic.  I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them?  Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Martin Skiby
 



Martin

 


On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:07 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


Good info....thanks Jay.

Corbin

On July 26, 2020 at 7:04 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

The sparrow strainers on the LS1 are a band-aid. The LS1 airfoil was not designed to have an articulated trailing edge (the elevator). This is because there is a significant under-camber near the trailing edge. The airflow across the trailing edge causes the free floating elevator to move trailing edge up in flight and would require the pilot to compensate with significant aft stick pressure, just to hold the elevator in trail (neutral). The sparrow strainers counter this tendency, so stick pressure is balanced in flight. The shape of the GU canard/elevator does not require this correction, so no sparrow strainers are needed.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic.  I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them?  Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
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Corbin 
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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

DO NOT fly without them.

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 7/26/20 8:04 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

The sparrow strainers on the LS1 are a band-aid. The LS1 airfoil was not designed to have an articulated trailing edge (the elevator). This is because there is a significant under-camber near the trailing edge. The airflow across the trailing edge causes the free floating elevator to move trailing edge up in flight and would require the pilot to compensate with significant aft stick pressure, just to hold the elevator in trail (neutral). The sparrow strainers counter this tendency, so stick pressure is balanced in flight. The shape of the GU canard/elevator does not require this correction, so no sparrow strainers are needed.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic.  I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them?  Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
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Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Corbin
 

Good info....thanks Jay.

Corbin

On July 26, 2020 at 7:04 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

The sparrow strainers on the LS1 are a band-aid. The LS1 airfoil was not designed to have an articulated trailing edge (the elevator). This is because there is a significant under-camber near the trailing edge. The airflow across the trailing edge causes the free floating elevator to move trailing edge up in flight and would require the pilot to compensate with significant aft stick pressure, just to hold the elevator in trail (neutral). The sparrow strainers counter this tendency, so stick pressure is balanced in flight. The shape of the GU canard/elevator does not require this correction, so no sparrow strainers are needed.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic.  I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them?  Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
N33QR







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Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Jay Scheevel
 

The sparrow strainers on the LS1 are a band-aid. The LS1 airfoil was not designed to have an articulated trailing edge (the elevator). This is because there is a significant under-camber near the trailing edge. The airflow across the trailing edge causes the free floating elevator to move trailing edge up in flight and would require the pilot to compensate with significant aft stick pressure, just to hold the elevator in trail (neutral). The sparrow strainers counter this tendency, so stick pressure is balanced in flight. The shape of the GU canard/elevator does not require this correction, so no sparrow strainers are needed.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Help educate me on this old topic.  I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them?  Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
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Sparrow Strainers - Why and Why Not?

Corbin
 

Help educate me on this old topic. I understand what they do regarding pitch, however, why do some of us not have them? Is it a GU vs LS1 thing or is it simply a “don’t have a pitch issue to fix” thing?

Corbin

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Corbin
N33QR


Re: View from the hangar

Jim Patillo
 

Image.jpegView from my hangar at KLVK Livermore, Ca. Looking toward San Francisco. 

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] View from the hangar
 
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:39 AM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

    Thats a great idea, we should all take a picture of the outlook from our hangers as a comparison.

    I know Jay's beats mine already in terms of natural beauty, but we do get some great aircraft come past the doors. :-0

    Rich T.

On 24/07/2020 01:16, John Hoxie via groups.io wrote:
Jay,
My airport KALM is only 410 miles from you. Perhaps you could drop in sometime.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 05:00:26 AM MDT, Keith Welsh <klw494@...> wrote:


Very relaxing atmosphere.  Got me jealous.
Now I understand why your TriQ is so near perfect.
That scenery for building would have me in a good mood too. 
Great photos, thanks for sharing.
Keith

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

My plane is very happy to have bugs removed this morning, and to be looking out on familiar territory. I told some folks at the Summer-Fling about the peaceful view from my hangar, so I thought I would send a picture or two.

 

My hangar view

 

The “next door neighbors”

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Q Family Memories

 

Jerry,
That's right  He and Suzie attended, I believe, all our gatherings including the ones Steve Laribee and I hosted at Mattoon for a couple of years. 
Terry and I drove to Ohio for his visitation.  No way I could not say goodbye when he and Suzie were so good to us.  I remember Suzie was nearly overcome when Terry and I walked in.
I believe, if I remember correctly, a few other Q people went to his visitation as well.  There's no doubt something special about the common thread which brings us together.
If I also remember right, he had given his dad a ride in his Q shortly before his passing and Suzie continued attending our events for a few years afterwards.

How many of you have seen these shirts and wondered from where they came.  They were Dave and Suzie's creation.
Of their many contributions to the Q family this one will likely live on for many years.

I can't thank them enough for the fond memories.
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On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
A truly loved couple who made huge contributions to the Q group.  Dave and Suzie Richardson.  He died in his sleep shortly after completing and flying his Tri-Q to Field of Dreams.  Greatly missed.Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Keith Welsh <klw494@...>
Date: 7/25/20 10:07 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Q-List] Q Family Memories

I ran across this and knew several of you might know who this is.
Fond memories of a really nice couple.

I have several memories of them and am sure many of you do too.
They also did something for the group that still is seen among the Q family.
Who are they and who all knows what that might be?

I'll post a photo of it if no one can remember.
Keith


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Re: Q Family Memories

Jim Patillo
 

Jennifer and I got to know Dave and Suzie fairly well.  After Dave died we got to spend some time with Suzie at Jefferson County (I think it was there, been along time since then).  She is a strong woman .

They were indeed really nice people and  spent a lot of time with the Q community and definitely contributed a lot.  Dave is missed. 

Jim
N46JP Q200

 


Re: View from the hangar

britmcman99
 


View from KSEE “Sky Harbor Hangars” (not Phoenix, but El Cajon,CA). The view looking East into the San Diego Aerospace Museum. 

Phil Lankford
Q-200 N84RC
RV6-A N76GZ


On Jul 24, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Very nice, Jon! We are all hoping you will send some of that moisture this way.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] View from the hangar

 

Good stuff – great thing to have started Jay!!

 

Here’s the view out of my hangar this morning. It is monsoon season here in the high desert so some fun stuff up in the air that makes the flying even more fantastic!!

 

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Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] View from the hangar

 

Much less scenic, but the air is thicker! (753MSL)

 

The "volleyball" five stories up is the National Weather Service's NEXRAD.

 

Paul

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 11:34 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

My plane is very happy to have bugs removed this morning, and to be looking out on familiar territory. I told some folks at the Summer-Fling about the peaceful view from my hangar, so I thought I would send a picture or two.

 

My hangar view

 

 

The “next door neighbors”

 

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Q Family Memories

Bruce Crain
 

Sweet couple!  Hope Susie is doing well!  Would be great to see her again sometime!
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Keith Welsh" <klw494@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q Family Memories
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:53:44 -0400

I ran across this and knew several of you might know who this is.
Fond memories of a really nice couple.
 
I have several memories of them and am sure many of you do too.
They also did something for the group that still is seen among the Q family.
Who are they and who all knows what that might be?
 
I'll post a photo of it if no one can remember.
Keith



Re: View from the hangar

Lynn French
 

Just corn, soybeans, and thunderstorms. 
Typical view from the hanger this time of year. Otherwise it would have a view of the runway on the other side of the field. 
Bugs not cleaned off, but my air is denser than Jay’s just not as dense as Paul’s. 
LF


Short & simple from my mobile 

On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi All,

 

My plane is very happy to have bugs removed this morning, and to be looking out on familiar territory. I told some folks at the Summer-Fling about the peaceful view from my hangar, so I thought I would send a picture or two.

 

My hangar view

<image001.jpg>

 

The “next door neighbors”

<image002.jpg>

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Q Family Memories

Kevin Boddicker
 

Good folk indeed.
I was fortunate enough to know them both. 
Also was able to take his towel on cross country, from Emporia to KDEH.
Don’t recall where or how he got any farther.

Kevin

On Jul 25, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:

Wow, yes, lots of memories.  Dave is truly missed.  I think he came up with the line "Together we build better airplanes".



On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 08:54 Keith Welsh <klw494@...> wrote:
I ran across this and knew several of you might know who this is.
Fond memories of a really nice couple.

I have several memories of them and am sure many of you do too.
They also did something for the group that still is seen among the Q family.
Who are they and who all knows what that might be?

I'll post a photo of it if no one can remember.
Keith




Re: Q Family Memories

Paul Fisher
 

Wow, yes, lots of memories.  Dave is truly missed.  I think he came up with the line "Together we build better airplanes".



On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 08:54 Keith Welsh <klw494@...> wrote:
I ran across this and knew several of you might know who this is.
Fond memories of a really nice couple.

I have several memories of them and am sure many of you do too.
They also did something for the group that still is seen among the Q family.
Who are they and who all knows what that might be?

I'll post a photo of it if no one can remember.
Keith

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