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Re: Field of Dreams!!

Jon Finley
 

It’s gotta be the canard Paul!!  Good call! J

 

Jon

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Fisher
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:25 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Jon said "Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering."

 

Hey my Q-200 does that too!  It must be the canard because my RV doesn't meander. Of course my RV has an autopilot... nah, it's got to be the canard!!  ;-)

 

Good write up Jon.  I hope it does some good.

 

Paul

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 18:31 Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:

Ok… ok… ok….

 

You are coming over the mountains. If familiar with mountain flying, ignore this…

For middle of September….

Watch the winds aloft at 18,000’ over/near the mountains. If 30kts or more, expect it to be pretty bumpy. If 50 kits, don’t (without some experience/local knowledge).

RV’s do just fine in the bumps but can be uncomfortable (that big hershey bar wing with low loading).

Plan to be done flying by noon (or earlier). Between density altitude and rough air, the afternoon is not a fun time to fly.  If you are landing when you shouldn’t be flying, be vigilant during take-off/landing for thermals and dust-devils - at the worst possible time. Make a go-around decision early. It is a wise choice, not a cover up for a mistake.

I can’t speak for any of California… assuming you are flying more or less direct from SAN to TCS (or TCC), the terrain from southeast of PHX to TCS will likely feel like the scariest thing you’ve ever flown over. Either imagine your happy place and enjoy the beauty OR plan to go around the south end of the mountains. That will be near Tucson to around Deming, then a bit north to TCS.

The ground is VERY high and very rough (on the more direct route). You will scraping it at 8,500.  That is VERY unnerving to some people, be prepared. Most folks like to be up around 12,000’-13,000’.

TCS is 5,000’ MSL, TCC is 4,000’ MSL. Nearly guaranteed to be warm and density altitude will be a factor. At TCS, expect 6,000’ DA at sunrise, 8,000’ in the afternoon.

High density altitude operation requires leaning – all the time, even taxing - and the understanding that your airplane is going to perform at about HALF whatever is normal (closer to sea level). Expect a long takeoff roll and a slow climb. When landing, expect the ground to appear to be rushing by much faster than normal. These “unusual sights” will mess with your mind – knowing why they are occurring is half the battle.

 

If it helps, Alan flies I-40 from Bullhead City – ABQ – TCC. That is high ground (7,000’ MSL) but much more forgiving and they put a pretty nice parallel runway in place for you (though there are a LOT of moving obstacles). I’ve only landed on I-15 and I-25 so can’t give a pirep on I-40.

 

The wind across NM, Texas, and OK can be pretty nasty. Another reason to be flying early and back on the ground early (this time of year).

 

All of that said… a little commentary…

I don’t mean to scare you. I just happen to see a lot of flat-landers come out here every year and needlessly damage themselves and their airplanes.  So, I preach a lot.

Assuming your RV is typical, it will do just fine – it has plenty of performance. Give it time, don’t rush it. I can’t see any of the sites from 12,000-13,000’ and about all I can see that it accomplishes is giving you lots of time to keep realizing that there are simply no good places to make an emergency landing. Oh, beating the heat – that is the one reason to be up there - I can’t do that anymore due to that ADS-B thing. Some will say tailwind is the other good reason. Maybe, a good wind is usually accompanied by good bumps.  

Mountain waves/updrafts/downdrafts are real. You have a ton of performance in that RV, add some awareness of how/why these things form, a wee bit of common sense and you will be in good shape.

 

Route from TCS is a bit north to avoid White Sands, then TCC. I’ll top off fuel and we’ll fly more or less direct to WDG scooching around Vance (END). Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering. J

 

I understand that Kevin is in charge of the FOD weather this year so I expect clear skies and tailwind both directions. ;-)

 

Jon

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 

 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
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Re: Field of Dreams!!

Jay Scheevel
 

I like the way you think, Jon. Good summary, especially the point about deceptively high ground speed as you approach the runway at standard approach airspeeds. The wind velocity guidelines and turbulence warnings are spot on. One should also avoid approaching the leaward side of any high range unless you are very experienced with mountain flying. Take my word for it.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:

Ok… ok… ok….

 

You are coming over the mountains. If familiar with mountain flying, ignore this…

For middle of September….

Watch the winds aloft at 18,000’ over/near the mountains. If 30kts or more, expect it to be pretty bumpy. If 50 kits, don’t (without some experience/local knowledge).

RV’s do just fine in the bumps but can be uncomfortable (that big hershey bar wing with low loading).

Plan to be done flying by noon (or earlier). Between density altitude and rough air, the afternoon is not a fun time to fly.  If you are landing when you shouldn’t be flying, be vigilant during take-off/landing for thermals and dust-devils - at the worst possible time. Make a go-around decision early. It is a wise choice, not a cover up for a mistake.

I can’t speak for any of California… assuming you are flying more or less direct from SAN to TCS (or TCC), the terrain from southeast of PHX to TCS will likely feel like the scariest thing you’ve ever flown over. Either imagine your happy place and enjoy the beauty OR plan to go around the south end of the mountains. That will be near Tucson to around Deming, then a bit north to TCS.

The ground is VERY high and very rough (on the more direct route). You will scraping it at 8,500.  That is VERY unnerving to some people, be prepared. Most folks like to be up around 12,000’-13,000’.

TCS is 5,000’ MSL, TCC is 4,000’ MSL. Nearly guaranteed to be warm and density altitude will be a factor. At TCS, expect 6,000’ DA at sunrise, 8,000’ in the afternoon.

High density altitude operation requires leaning – all the time, even taxing - and the understanding that your airplane is going to perform at about HALF whatever is normal (closer to sea level). Expect a long takeoff roll and a slow climb. When landing, expect the ground to appear to be rushing by much faster than normal. These “unusual sights” will mess with your mind – knowing why they are occurring is half the battle.

 

If it helps, Alan flies I-40 from Bullhead City – ABQ – TCC. That is high ground (7,000’ MSL) but much more forgiving and they put a pretty nice parallel runway in place for you (though there are a LOT of moving obstacles). I’ve only landed on I-15 and I-25 so can’t give a pirep on I-40.

 

The wind across NM, Texas, and OK can be pretty nasty. Another reason to be flying early and back on the ground early (this time of year).

 

All of that said… a little commentary…

I don’t mean to scare you. I just happen to see a lot of flat-landers come out here every year and needlessly damage themselves and their airplanes.  So, I preach a lot.

Assuming your RV is typical, it will do just fine – it has plenty of performance. Give it time, don’t rush it. I can’t see any of the sites from 12,000-13,000’ and about all I can see that it accomplishes is giving you lots of time to keep realizing that there are simply no good places to make an emergency landing. Oh, beating the heat – that is the one reason to be up there - I can’t do that anymore due to that ADS-B thing. Some will say tailwind is the other good reason. Maybe, a good wind is usually accompanied by good bumps.  

Mountain waves/updrafts/downdrafts are real. You have a ton of performance in that RV, add some awareness of how/why these things form, a wee bit of common sense and you will be in good shape.

 

Route from TCS is a bit north to avoid White Sands, then TCC. I’ll top off fuel and we’ll fly more or less direct to WDG scooching around Vance (END). Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering. J

 

I understand that Kevin is in charge of the FOD weather this year so I expect clear skies and tailwind both directions. ;-)

 

Jon

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 

 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams!!

britmcman99
 

Sadly, I have never gotten close to reaching the “restricted airspeed”. I suppose you meant to write “airspace”. I didn’t do much more than pick waypoints around the restricted airspace  and didn’t edit altitudes before I hit “send”.  So I guess you do fly north and button-hook over to TCC. I am an Okie and I have managed a few Route 66 flyover trips SNL - ABQ - INW - PRC -CNO and I have flown the southern route from SAN -  ...  - CNM so I have a few ideas about the terrain. My plane may be the slowest in the group with carburetor O-320 and Catto 3 blade fixed prop. Coming from KSEE I may have a passenger (pilot) in which case I will certainly plan the Mexican border route and an extra fuel stop (less than full fuel) if density altitude threatens.  This will overfly I-8 for much of the trip to TCS in case I sneak up from the south. Thanks for the kind response. Phil


On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Phil Lankford <britmcman@...> wrote:

Teach me, OB Wan. I haven’t mzuch practice on this flight app 

Phil


On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


Jon said "Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering."

Hey my Q-200 does that too!  It must be the canard because my RV doesn't meander. Of course my RV has an autopilot... nah, it's got to be the canard!!  ;-)

Good write up Jon.  I hope it does some good.

Paul





On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 18:31 Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:

Ok… ok… ok….

 

You are coming over the mountains. If familiar with mountain flying, ignore this…

For middle of September….

Watch the winds aloft at 18,000’ over/near the mountains. If 30kts or more, expect it to be pretty bumpy. If 50 kits, don’t (without some experience/local knowledge).

RV’s do just fine in the bumps but can be uncomfortable (that big hershey bar wing with low loading).

Plan to be done flying by noon (or earlier). Between density altitude and rough air, the afternoon is not a fun time to fly.  If you are landing when you shouldn’t be flying, be vigilant during take-off/landing for thermals and dust-devils - at the worst possible time. Make a go-around decision early. It is a wise choice, not a cover up for a mistake.

I can’t speak for any of California… assuming you are flying more or less direct from SAN to TCS (or TCC), the terrain from southeast of PHX to TCS will likely feel like the scariest thing you’ve ever flown over. Either imagine your happy place and enjoy the beauty OR plan to go around the south end of the mountains. That will be near Tucson to around Deming, then a bit north to TCS.

The ground is VERY high and very rough (on the more direct route). You will scraping it at 8,500.  That is VERY unnerving to some people, be prepared. Most folks like to be up around 12,000’-13,000’.

TCS is 5,000’ MSL, TCC is 4,000’ MSL. Nearly guaranteed to be warm and density altitude will be a factor. At TCS, expect 6,000’ DA at sunrise, 8,000’ in the afternoon.

High density altitude operation requires leaning – all the time, even taxing - and the understanding that your airplane is going to perform at about HALF whatever is normal (closer to sea level). Expect a long takeoff roll and a slow climb. When landing, expect the ground to appear to be rushing by much faster than normal. These “unusual sights” will mess with your mind – knowing why they are occurring is half the battle.

 

If it helps, Alan flies I-40 from Bullhead City – ABQ – TCC. That is high ground (7,000’ MSL) but much more forgiving and they put a pretty nice parallel runway in place for you (though there are a LOT of moving obstacles). I’ve only landed on I-15 and I-25 so can’t give a pirep on I-40.

 

The wind across NM, Texas, and OK can be pretty nasty. Another reason to be flying early and back on the ground early (this time of year).

 

All of that said… a little commentary…

I don’t mean to scare you. I just happen to see a lot of flat-landers come out here every year and needlessly damage themselves and their airplanes.  So, I preach a lot.

Assuming your RV is typical, it will do just fine – it has plenty of performance. Give it time, don’t rush it. I can’t see any of the sites from 12,000-13,000’ and about all I can see that it accomplishes is giving you lots of time to keep realizing that there are simply no good places to make an emergency landing. Oh, beating the heat – that is the one reason to be up there - I can’t do that anymore due to that ADS-B thing. Some will say tailwind is the other good reason. Maybe, a good wind is usually accompanied by good bumps.  

Mountain waves/updrafts/downdrafts are real. You have a ton of performance in that RV, add some awareness of how/why these things form, a wee bit of common sense and you will be in good shape.

 

Route from TCS is a bit north to avoid White Sands, then TCC. I’ll top off fuel and we’ll fly more or less direct to WDG scooching around Vance (END). Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering. J

 

I understand that Kevin is in charge of the FOD weather this year so I expect clear skies and tailwind both directions. ;-)

 

Jon

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 

 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams!!

Bruce Crain
 

Hi Kyle!  Yeah you might want to deliver that Breezy early.  Winter is headed this way even though it doesn’t seem like it.  Hope you can make it down here to the “banana belt”!
Bruce


On Aug 23, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Kyle Voltz <kvoltz21@...> wrote:


Bruce,

I've got a Q project and have been wanting to come to one of these for a while. I RSVP'd for September but, that being said, I have two side gigs coming up that might rob me of my chance to make it to this one.  I have to deliver a Breezy XC to its new owner, and I also have been contracted to do the flight testing on a RV-9A.  I'll try to keep you posted if either of those get moved and I'm unable to make it.

Kyle Voltz
309.945.5188




On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 6:21 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Hope everyone is having a great “end of Summer”!!  We are still on for “Field Of Dreams” September 18-20!  We are always glad to accommodate anyone arriving early and leaving late so contact us at any point and we will arrange transportation and entertainment!  You are all such a fun group!!


Safe trips and joy unspeakable!!!
Can’t wait to see you all!!
Bruce Crain





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Re: Field of Dreams!!

britmcman99
 

Teach me, OB Wan. I haven’t mzuch practice on this flight app 

Phil


On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


Jon said "Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering."

Hey my Q-200 does that too!  It must be the canard because my RV doesn't meander. Of course my RV has an autopilot... nah, it's got to be the canard!!  ;-)

Good write up Jon.  I hope it does some good.

Paul





On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 18:31 Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:

Ok… ok… ok….

 

You are coming over the mountains. If familiar with mountain flying, ignore this…

For middle of September….

Watch the winds aloft at 18,000’ over/near the mountains. If 30kts or more, expect it to be pretty bumpy. If 50 kits, don’t (without some experience/local knowledge).

RV’s do just fine in the bumps but can be uncomfortable (that big hershey bar wing with low loading).

Plan to be done flying by noon (or earlier). Between density altitude and rough air, the afternoon is not a fun time to fly.  If you are landing when you shouldn’t be flying, be vigilant during take-off/landing for thermals and dust-devils - at the worst possible time. Make a go-around decision early. It is a wise choice, not a cover up for a mistake.

I can’t speak for any of California… assuming you are flying more or less direct from SAN to TCS (or TCC), the terrain from southeast of PHX to TCS will likely feel like the scariest thing you’ve ever flown over. Either imagine your happy place and enjoy the beauty OR plan to go around the south end of the mountains. That will be near Tucson to around Deming, then a bit north to TCS.

The ground is VERY high and very rough (on the more direct route). You will scraping it at 8,500.  That is VERY unnerving to some people, be prepared. Most folks like to be up around 12,000’-13,000’.

TCS is 5,000’ MSL, TCC is 4,000’ MSL. Nearly guaranteed to be warm and density altitude will be a factor. At TCS, expect 6,000’ DA at sunrise, 8,000’ in the afternoon.

High density altitude operation requires leaning – all the time, even taxing - and the understanding that your airplane is going to perform at about HALF whatever is normal (closer to sea level). Expect a long takeoff roll and a slow climb. When landing, expect the ground to appear to be rushing by much faster than normal. These “unusual sights” will mess with your mind – knowing why they are occurring is half the battle.

 

If it helps, Alan flies I-40 from Bullhead City – ABQ – TCC. That is high ground (7,000’ MSL) but much more forgiving and they put a pretty nice parallel runway in place for you (though there are a LOT of moving obstacles). I’ve only landed on I-15 and I-25 so can’t give a pirep on I-40.

 

The wind across NM, Texas, and OK can be pretty nasty. Another reason to be flying early and back on the ground early (this time of year).

 

All of that said… a little commentary…

I don’t mean to scare you. I just happen to see a lot of flat-landers come out here every year and needlessly damage themselves and their airplanes.  So, I preach a lot.

Assuming your RV is typical, it will do just fine – it has plenty of performance. Give it time, don’t rush it. I can’t see any of the sites from 12,000-13,000’ and about all I can see that it accomplishes is giving you lots of time to keep realizing that there are simply no good places to make an emergency landing. Oh, beating the heat – that is the one reason to be up there - I can’t do that anymore due to that ADS-B thing. Some will say tailwind is the other good reason. Maybe, a good wind is usually accompanied by good bumps.  

Mountain waves/updrafts/downdrafts are real. You have a ton of performance in that RV, add some awareness of how/why these things form, a wee bit of common sense and you will be in good shape.

 

Route from TCS is a bit north to avoid White Sands, then TCC. I’ll top off fuel and we’ll fly more or less direct to WDG scooching around Vance (END). Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering. J

 

I understand that Kevin is in charge of the FOD weather this year so I expect clear skies and tailwind both directions. ;-)

 

Jon

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 

 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams!!

Paul Fisher
 

Jon said "Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering."

Hey my Q-200 does that too!  It must be the canard because my RV doesn't meander. Of course my RV has an autopilot... nah, it's got to be the canard!!  ;-)

Good write up Jon.  I hope it does some good.

Paul





On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 18:31 Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:

Ok… ok… ok….

 

You are coming over the mountains. If familiar with mountain flying, ignore this…

For middle of September….

Watch the winds aloft at 18,000’ over/near the mountains. If 30kts or more, expect it to be pretty bumpy. If 50 kits, don’t (without some experience/local knowledge).

RV’s do just fine in the bumps but can be uncomfortable (that big hershey bar wing with low loading).

Plan to be done flying by noon (or earlier). Between density altitude and rough air, the afternoon is not a fun time to fly.  If you are landing when you shouldn’t be flying, be vigilant during take-off/landing for thermals and dust-devils - at the worst possible time. Make a go-around decision early. It is a wise choice, not a cover up for a mistake.

I can’t speak for any of California… assuming you are flying more or less direct from SAN to TCS (or TCC), the terrain from southeast of PHX to TCS will likely feel like the scariest thing you’ve ever flown over. Either imagine your happy place and enjoy the beauty OR plan to go around the south end of the mountains. That will be near Tucson to around Deming, then a bit north to TCS.

The ground is VERY high and very rough (on the more direct route). You will scraping it at 8,500.  That is VERY unnerving to some people, be prepared. Most folks like to be up around 12,000’-13,000’.

TCS is 5,000’ MSL, TCC is 4,000’ MSL. Nearly guaranteed to be warm and density altitude will be a factor. At TCS, expect 6,000’ DA at sunrise, 8,000’ in the afternoon.

High density altitude operation requires leaning – all the time, even taxing - and the understanding that your airplane is going to perform at about HALF whatever is normal (closer to sea level). Expect a long takeoff roll and a slow climb. When landing, expect the ground to appear to be rushing by much faster than normal. These “unusual sights” will mess with your mind – knowing why they are occurring is half the battle.

 

If it helps, Alan flies I-40 from Bullhead City – ABQ – TCC. That is high ground (7,000’ MSL) but much more forgiving and they put a pretty nice parallel runway in place for you (though there are a LOT of moving obstacles). I’ve only landed on I-15 and I-25 so can’t give a pirep on I-40.

 

The wind across NM, Texas, and OK can be pretty nasty. Another reason to be flying early and back on the ground early (this time of year).

 

All of that said… a little commentary…

I don’t mean to scare you. I just happen to see a lot of flat-landers come out here every year and needlessly damage themselves and their airplanes.  So, I preach a lot.

Assuming your RV is typical, it will do just fine – it has plenty of performance. Give it time, don’t rush it. I can’t see any of the sites from 12,000-13,000’ and about all I can see that it accomplishes is giving you lots of time to keep realizing that there are simply no good places to make an emergency landing. Oh, beating the heat – that is the one reason to be up there - I can’t do that anymore due to that ADS-B thing. Some will say tailwind is the other good reason. Maybe, a good wind is usually accompanied by good bumps.  

Mountain waves/updrafts/downdrafts are real. You have a ton of performance in that RV, add some awareness of how/why these things form, a wee bit of common sense and you will be in good shape.

 

Route from TCS is a bit north to avoid White Sands, then TCC. I’ll top off fuel and we’ll fly more or less direct to WDG scooching around Vance (END). Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering. J

 

I understand that Kevin is in charge of the FOD weather this year so I expect clear skies and tailwind both directions. ;-)

 

Jon

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 

 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams!!

Jon Finley
 

Ok… ok… ok….

 

You are coming over the mountains. If familiar with mountain flying, ignore this…

For middle of September….

Watch the winds aloft at 18,000’ over/near the mountains. If 30kts or more, expect it to be pretty bumpy. If 50 kits, don’t (without some experience/local knowledge).

RV’s do just fine in the bumps but can be uncomfortable (that big hershey bar wing with low loading).

Plan to be done flying by noon (or earlier). Between density altitude and rough air, the afternoon is not a fun time to fly.  If you are landing when you shouldn’t be flying, be vigilant during take-off/landing for thermals and dust-devils - at the worst possible time. Make a go-around decision early. It is a wise choice, not a cover up for a mistake.

I can’t speak for any of California… assuming you are flying more or less direct from SAN to TCS (or TCC), the terrain from southeast of PHX to TCS will likely feel like the scariest thing you’ve ever flown over. Either imagine your happy place and enjoy the beauty OR plan to go around the south end of the mountains. That will be near Tucson to around Deming, then a bit north to TCS.

The ground is VERY high and very rough (on the more direct route). You will scraping it at 8,500.  That is VERY unnerving to some people, be prepared. Most folks like to be up around 12,000’-13,000’.

TCS is 5,000’ MSL, TCC is 4,000’ MSL. Nearly guaranteed to be warm and density altitude will be a factor. At TCS, expect 6,000’ DA at sunrise, 8,000’ in the afternoon.

High density altitude operation requires leaning – all the time, even taxing - and the understanding that your airplane is going to perform at about HALF whatever is normal (closer to sea level). Expect a long takeoff roll and a slow climb. When landing, expect the ground to appear to be rushing by much faster than normal. These “unusual sights” will mess with your mind – knowing why they are occurring is half the battle.

 

If it helps, Alan flies I-40 from Bullhead City – ABQ – TCC. That is high ground (7,000’ MSL) but much more forgiving and they put a pretty nice parallel runway in place for you (though there are a LOT of moving obstacles). I’ve only landed on I-15 and I-25 so can’t give a pirep on I-40.

 

The wind across NM, Texas, and OK can be pretty nasty. Another reason to be flying early and back on the ground early (this time of year).

 

All of that said… a little commentary…

I don’t mean to scare you. I just happen to see a lot of flat-landers come out here every year and needlessly damage themselves and their airplanes.  So, I preach a lot.

Assuming your RV is typical, it will do just fine – it has plenty of performance. Give it time, don’t rush it. I can’t see any of the sites from 12,000-13,000’ and about all I can see that it accomplishes is giving you lots of time to keep realizing that there are simply no good places to make an emergency landing. Oh, beating the heat – that is the one reason to be up there - I can’t do that anymore due to that ADS-B thing. Some will say tailwind is the other good reason. Maybe, a good wind is usually accompanied by good bumps.  

Mountain waves/updrafts/downdrafts are real. You have a ton of performance in that RV, add some awareness of how/why these things form, a wee bit of common sense and you will be in good shape.

 

Route from TCS is a bit north to avoid White Sands, then TCC. I’ll top off fuel and we’ll fly more or less direct to WDG scooching around Vance (END). Alan’s airplane doesn’t appear to fly straight so expect a bit of meandering. J

 

I understand that Kevin is in charge of the FOD weather this year so I expect clear skies and tailwind both directions. ;-)

 

Jon

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 

 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams!!

Jon Finley
 

HA!!!  Your killin me Phil!!  J

 

My route is TCS -> TCC -> WDG. Stay low, try to avoid the restricted airspeed, and keep the burner lit as long as possible. Sadly, nothing interesting to fly between once you pass the Pecos.

 

Watch more videos: https://youtu.be/nYhqdcRz9fU

 

Jon

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams!!

 

Hello Jon:

 

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

 

Phil

 

 



On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams!!

britmcman99
 

Hello Jon:

What is your route to  KWDG like?  Something like this?

Phil




On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:



Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 

Jim, 
Might be on a motor home vacation then . Only if we have a pet issue, I’ll be able to come.
Stay tuned 

MikeQ200wannabe 


On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Phil Lankford via groups.io <britmcman@...> wrote:


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 
Phil - this time in a RV6-A

On Jun 28, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_Engineering@...> wrote:



Mike,

Are you going to make it to Field  of Dreams 30th this year? It would be really nice to see you there. 

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Field of Dreams!!

Jon Finley
 

Hi Phil,

 

Alan Thayer and I will be trekking that direction on the same day.  The last couple of years, Alan has overnighted at Bullhead City (IFP) and again at Tucumcari (TCC). I meet him early on Thursday morning at TCC (I’m about 1.5 hours at TCS).  Your welcome to join the gaggle somewhere.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Lankford via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 

Phil - this time in a RV6-A


--
Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field of Dreams Reunion 2020!

britmcman99
 


Just reserved my room in Enid for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and got vacation approved so I plan on being there afternoon Thursday Sept 17. Yipeeeee. 
Phil - this time in a RV6-A

On Jun 28, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_Engineering@...> wrote:



Mike,

Are you going to make it to Field  of Dreams 30th this year? It would be really nice to see you there. 

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: View from the hangar

Jay Scheevel
 

Good job Richard. Nice to see!

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Thomson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:58 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] View from the hangar

 

I wondered who it was that kept coming over in a wildcat, bet that has changed the visual navigation for a few. 

somewhere long enough and solid :-0

On 24/08/2020 10:39, quickieq2uk via groups.io wrote:

No longer in the back garden then Rich, that’s progress! Where are you keeping her now?

 

Regards,

 

Simon 



On 24 Aug 2020, at 10:06, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



 

    Hi Gang,

    The view from my hanger is not as pleasant as many of yours, but here is a picture yesterday in front of our hanger where it captured the First engine run since the rebuild.

    Thanks to all of you who have helped get me this far.  Few snags to sort, but pretty good run in all.

Rich T.

   

<ifehogjjfmniiinf.jpg>


Re: View from the hangar

Paul Fisher
 

Congratulations Richard, keep it going!

Paul


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 04:06 Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:


    Hi Gang,

    The view from my hanger is not as pleasant as many of yours, but here is a picture yesterday in front of our hanger where it captured the First engine run since the rebuild.

    Thanks to all of you who have helped get me this far.  Few snags to sort, but pretty good run in all.

Rich T.

   


Re: View from the hangar

Richard Thomson
 

I wondered who it was that kept coming over in a wildcat, bet that has changed the visual navigation for a few. 

somewhere long enough and solid :-0

On 24/08/2020 10:39, quickieq2uk via groups.io wrote:
No longer in the back garden then Rich, that’s progress! Where are you keeping her now?

Regards,

Simon 


On 24 Aug 2020, at 10:06, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:




    Hi Gang,

    The view from my hanger is not as pleasant as many of yours, but here is a picture yesterday in front of our hanger where it captured the First engine run since the rebuild.

    Thanks to all of you who have helped get me this far.  Few snags to sort, but pretty good run in all.

Rich T.

   

<ifehogjjfmniiinf.jpg>


Re: View from the hangar

quickieq2uk
 

No longer in the back garden then Rich, that’s progress! Where are you keeping her now?

Regards,

Simon 


On 24 Aug 2020, at 10:06, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:




    Hi Gang,

    The view from my hanger is not as pleasant as many of yours, but here is a picture yesterday in front of our hanger where it captured the First engine run since the rebuild.

    Thanks to all of you who have helped get me this far.  Few snags to sort, but pretty good run in all.

Rich T.

   

<ifehogjjfmniiinf.jpg>


View from the hangar

Richard Thomson
 


    Hi Gang,

    The view from my hanger is not as pleasant as many of yours, but here is a picture yesterday in front of our hanger where it captured the First engine run since the rebuild.

    Thanks to all of you who have helped get me this far.  Few snags to sort, but pretty good run in all.

Rich T.

   


Re: Field of Dreams!!

kvoltz21@...
 

Bruce,

I've got a Q project and have been wanting to come to one of these for a while. I RSVP'd for September but, that being said, I have two side gigs coming up that might rob me of my chance to make it to this one.  I have to deliver a Breezy XC to its new owner, and I also have been contracted to do the flight testing on a RV-9A.  I'll try to keep you posted if either of those get moved and I'm unable to make it.

Kyle Voltz
309.945.5188




On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 6:21 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Hope everyone is having a great “end of Summer”!!  We are still on for “Field Of Dreams” September 18-20!  We are always glad to accommodate anyone arriving early and leaving late so contact us at any point and we will arrange transportation and entertainment!  You are all such a fun group!!


Safe trips and joy unspeakable!!!
Can’t wait to see you all!!
Bruce Crain





--

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20 Castle Ct. | Oshkosh, WI 54902

Mobile309.945.5188 | EmailKvoltz21@...

 

Commercial Pilot ASEL/AMEL

Instrument | Complex | Tailwheel | High Performance

EAA Flight Advisor 880499


Re: Dave McConahy

Bruce Crain
 

Yeah!  I know!  Right?!  I will call him and bug him!  Give him a short distance award or symptom’!
Bruce


On Aug 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2@...> wrote:

I hope he will be there too. Us Revmaster people need some strength in numbers.
Dave D


On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 12:20 PM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
I ran into Dave McConahy from Okmulgee,  OK while visiting a fly in at Cushing, OK!  500 hours on a VW Q2 with LS1 canard.  Hopefully he will come to Field Of Dreams in September!  Still a sweet looking Q but the guys standing in front of it have aged a bit!
Bruce

____________________________________________________________

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Re: Dave McConahy

Dave Dugas
 

I hope he will be there too. Us Revmaster people need some strength in numbers.
Dave D


On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 12:20 PM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
I ran into Dave McConahy from Okmulgee,  OK while visiting a fly in at Cushing, OK!  500 hours on a VW Q2 with LS1 canard.  Hopefully he will come to Field Of Dreams in September!  Still a sweet looking Q but the guys standing in front of it have aged a bit!
Bruce

____________________________________________________________

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Navalny Treated in German Hospital
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