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Re: Autopilot

Adam Radloff
 

Dave, did you ever get this figured out? I tried it using a HC-05 but no luck also. I just want output Nmea date from Avare to my AV-30's.
Let me know, 
Thanks


Re: Foam blocks

One Sky Dog
 

Extruded foam not expanded beads. 


On Oct 28, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Rob de Bie <robdebie@...> wrote:

Manybe one more thing to consider: are all XPS foam blocks of the same mechanical quality? I seem to remember some stern warnings on this list in the past NOT to use just any 2 lbs XPS foam block.

Rob







Re: Foam blocks

Rob de Bie
 

Manybe one more thing to consider: are all XPS foam blocks of the same mechanical quality? I seem to remember some stern warnings on this list in the past NOT to use just any 2 lbs XPS foam block.

Rob


Re: Foam blocks

 

I found a supplier in tulsa with exact 2lbs density dow foam about $313 total for billets no shipping since I can drive and get them. They've even offered to see if their fabrication services can cut them for me. I purchased the AUTOCAD pack from Quickheads. I need to check in with Jon Matcho so I can get the data. It hasnt given me access to download yet. If they can cut the foam for me for cheap I may go that route and save an afternoon or 10 of making blocks. 


Re: Foam blocks

Terry Crouch
 

One thing to consider, In the past when I ordered foam from Wicks or Spruce the foam blocks were all usable. If I bought foam for docks I had to trim inches off the sides and top for it to be usable. If you didn't the core would warp so bad it would be unusable.

Terry Crouch
Quickie N14TC


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2020 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 2020 vendors

Here is where I got what I needed.

10”X20”X108” Styrofoam Logs. From Invoice.
3/11/2002

Cope Plastics 
8110 42nd St West
Rock Island IL  61201-7325
309-787-4465  

This will make you cry, $98.91 EA!

Fisher, is there still a cope plastics outlet in the QCA?

Good luck! 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    538 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

Sam

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.






Re: 2020 vendors

Bruce Crain
 

Snort!  Heeyuk!  Chortle!  Tee hee!  Sorry guys I know.  That was sooo Jr High.  I just thought how would Kevin respond!  I just moderate  myself and try not to do it again.
B C  


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Bruce McCormack" <bob2@...>
To: "main@q-list.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 2020 vendors
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 17:46:29 -0500

The story way back was that the color change was to make it less attractive to beavers who attacked docks.


On 25Oct, 2020, at 17:39, Brian Larick <blarick@...> wrote:
What is the difference between the current Dow Blue foam blocks and the original kit orange blocks?

Brian

On Oct 25, 2020, at 18:12, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.
 
 

 




Re: 2020 vendors

Bruce Crain
 

That's mah boy!  Get me sum perduction!  Go Jim Dandy!  Gitter done!
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Cody" <cody.craig1985@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 2020 vendors
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:30:10 -0700

I have a flat table. Started making the jigs for mounting. 




Re: 2020 vendors

Brian Larick
 

Ran across this link...
HTTPS://www.Buildsite.com/product/styrofoam-brand-buoyancy-billets

Seems you can check for distributors by location.

Brian

On Oct 26, 2020, at 20:26, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

 Very good. The old men come through!

On Oct 26, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:

I haven't been there in years, but Google says it's still there.  Open Monday through Friday 8am-5pm CDT.  Shipping from Rock Island IL could be more than the foam!  I'd look for a distributor closer.

Paul

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 19:03 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Here is where I got what I needed.

10”X20”X108” Styrofoam Logs. From Invoice.
3/11/2002

Cope Plastics 
8110 42nd St West
Rock Island IL  61201-7325
309-787-4465  

This will make you cry, $98.91 EA!

Fisher, is there still a cope plastics outlet in the QCA?

Good luck! 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    538 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

Sam

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.









Re: 2020 vendors

Kevin Boddicker
 

Very good. The old men come through!

On Oct 26, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:

I haven't been there in years, but Google says it's still there.  Open Monday through Friday 8am-5pm CDT.  Shipping from Rock Island IL could be more than the foam!  I'd look for a distributor closer.

Paul

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 19:03 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Here is where I got what I needed.

10”X20”X108” Styrofoam Logs. From Invoice.
3/11/2002

Cope Plastics 
8110 42nd St West
Rock Island IL  61201-7325
309-787-4465  

This will make you cry, $98.91 EA!

Fisher, is there still a cope plastics outlet in the QCA?

Good luck! 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    538 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

Sam

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.









Re: 2020 vendors

Paul Fisher
 

I haven't been there in years, but Google says it's still there.  Open Monday through Friday 8am-5pm CDT.  Shipping from Rock Island IL could be more than the foam!  I'd look for a distributor closer.

Paul

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 19:03 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Here is where I got what I needed.

10”X20”X108” Styrofoam Logs. From Invoice.
3/11/2002

Cope Plastics 
8110 42nd St West
Rock Island IL  61201-7325
309-787-4465  

This will make you cry, $98.91 EA!

Fisher, is there still a cope plastics outlet in the QCA?

Good luck! 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    538 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

Sam

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.






Re: 2020 vendors

Kevin Boddicker
 

Here is where I got what I needed.

10”X20”X108” Styrofoam Logs. From Invoice.
3/11/2002

Cope Plastics 
8110 42nd St West
Rock Island IL  61201-7325
309-787-4465  

This will make you cry, $98.91 EA!

Fisher, is there still a cope plastics outlet in the QCA?

Good luck! 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    538 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

Sam

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.






Re: Q2 question

 

Very likely John. 


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:35 AM John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Adrian,
Just curious if you ever had brake fluid run onto your forward wing in the discrepant area?

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 04:53:18 PM MDT, Adrian Rogers <anrogers29@...> wrote:


Good afternoon guys/gals,

I'm having an issue with the blocks that secure the rudder pedals/rods in place. I'll attach pics and a video that visually shows what looks to be the skin is slightly pulling/delaminating (when pressure is firmly applied) from the fiberglass skin down by my left foot. (I cleaned the area out this morning with lacquer thinner.) Anyone else ever had this problem? And is there a filler that can be injected into the area, expand, leaving the floor solid as a rock?

Any info/comments are greatly appreciated.

Thank you and have a great afternoon!

--
 
Adrian Rogers




--
Thank you for the opportunity!
 
Adrian Rogers

CalBRE# 01890975

Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage
805-415-3600 cell


Re: Q2 question

John Hoxie
 

Adrian,
Just curious if you ever had brake fluid run onto your forward wing in the discrepant area?

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 04:53:18 PM MDT, Adrian Rogers <anrogers29@...> wrote:


Good afternoon guys/gals,

I'm having an issue with the blocks that secure the rudder pedals/rods in place. I'll attach pics and a video that visually shows what looks to be the skin is slightly pulling/delaminating (when pressure is firmly applied) from the fiberglass skin down by my left foot. (I cleaned the area out this morning with lacquer thinner.) Anyone else ever had this problem? And is there a filler that can be injected into the area, expand, leaving the floor solid as a rock?

Any info/comments are greatly appreciated.

Thank you and have a great afternoon!

--
 
Adrian Rogers



Re: 2020 vendors

 

I have a flat table. Started making the jigs for mounting. 


Re: 2020 vendors

Brad Walker
 

I've always found a phone call directly to Dow sales support will be helpful.. They can tell you who the local distributor is.

-brad w.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

Sam

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.


Re: Q2 question

 

Thank you for all the responses. Definitely appreciated and I’ll keep the group posted on any noted progress/steps taken.


Sent from the ultimate iPhone 

On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:


I have used a product called "fabric wash" from airtech coatings during most of my build in order to clean any surface that I was going to bond to. It is a great cleaner/solvent that doesn't leave a residue. I wanted something safe to use on layups that may have pin holes and could leak solvent and damage the foam. To test it I put a piece of blue styrofoam in a jar with this stuff for several weeks and it had no effect on the foam at all. Here is a link if you want to buy some. I swear by it.


Cheers,
Jay
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

DON'T use lacquer thinner (or any solvents)  on the wing anywhere!  That stuff eats the foam big time and will leave you with a gummy goo inside the wing that you can not bond to.  
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:53 PM Adrian Rogers <anrogers29@...> wrote:
Good afternoon guys/gals,

I'm having an issue with the blocks that secure the rudder pedals/rods in place. I'll attach pics and a video that visually shows what looks to be the skin is slightly pulling/delaminating (when pressure is firmly applied) from the fiberglass skin down by my left foot. (I cleaned the area out this morning with lacquer thinner.) Anyone else ever had this problem? And is there a filler that can be injected into the area, expand, leaving the floor solid as a rock?

Any info/comments are greatly appreciated.

Thank you and have a great afternoon!

--
 
Adrian Rogers



Re: Q2 question

Jay Scheevel
 

I have used a product called "fabric wash" from airtech coatings during most of my build in order to clean any surface that I was going to bond to. It is a great cleaner/solvent that doesn't leave a residue. I wanted something safe to use on layups that may have pin holes and could leak solvent and damage the foam. To test it I put a piece of blue styrofoam in a jar with this stuff for several weeks and it had no effect on the foam at all. Here is a link if you want to buy some. I swear by it.


Cheers,
Jay
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

DON'T use lacquer thinner (or any solvents)  on the wing anywhere!  That stuff eats the foam big time and will leave you with a gummy goo inside the wing that you can not bond to.  
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:53 PM Adrian Rogers <anrogers29@...> wrote:
Good afternoon guys/gals,

I'm having an issue with the blocks that secure the rudder pedals/rods in place. I'll attach pics and a video that visually shows what looks to be the skin is slightly pulling/delaminating (when pressure is firmly applied) from the fiberglass skin down by my left foot. (I cleaned the area out this morning with lacquer thinner.) Anyone else ever had this problem? And is there a filler that can be injected into the area, expand, leaving the floor solid as a rock?

Any info/comments are greatly appreciated.

Thank you and have a great afternoon!

--
 
Adrian Rogers



Re: 2020 vendors

Corbin
 

No stock.  I don’t think they have had for a while.

Corbin

On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



What is wrong with using the original material/source?

 

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pnpages/01-01166.php?msclkid=f67805ef78e7169a70e85a79613005e5&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TNT%20-%20Shopping%20-%20BR%20-%20Desktop&utm_term=4580634161251749&utm_content=All%20Products

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:16 PM
To: Main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 2020 vendors

 

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

 

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

 

Sam

 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.


--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: 2020 vendors

Mike Dwyer
 

The orange had much bigger air pockets that sucked up more micro to fill.  My kit came with the blue, but my buddies was orange.  We hotwired both and they cut the same.  I like the blue!
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:39 PM Brian Larick <blarick@...> wrote:
What is the difference between the current Dow Blue foam blocks and the original kit orange blocks?

Brian

On Oct 25, 2020, at 18:12, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.


Re: 2020 vendors

Jay Scheevel
 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:16 PM
To: Main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 2020 vendors

 

Close, but that Tommydock stuff is in 48" blocks and we need 50"sections. It's the right material though.

 

The big billets are out there, these newbies just need to dig a little deeper.

 

Sam

 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:22 PM Brian Hutchinson via groups.io <brianmh13=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

No recommendation from me for foam. Thanks for bringing up the matter of forces in the foam. I had watched a video on Metallurgy the other day considering the crystalline structure and it was said the forces move through the metal in a way that is similar to the way described here. Though I don't think the foam experiences true shear load (90 degree to the upper and lower surfaces) the forces wound think are variable and related to amount of deflection of wing tip to root. Vertically laminated seems the best way to join foam blocks I agree. These are the "little" considerations that have big effects and are what needs to be discussed in my opinion more important than enduring debates on why auto conversion engines are the devil and such.

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