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Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

https://youtu.be/aJkFnhqKkJw

Would this be a decent guide to potentially repairing the spar? At this point repairing can serve several purposes without risk. If its strong and works yay! If it doesn't work or I fail, then its good practice and we continue on with other options anyways. I don't feel like I have a lot to lose right now in playing with the option. Although my primary time and focus will be dressing out the fuselage, followed by the main wing. The canard can probably wait till near the end since its under consideration.


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

I would appreciate it. 


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Mike Steinsland
 

I thought I had something else.
This is some photos of the inboard gear mounting on a Dragonfly


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:33 PM <kingdws@...> wrote:
If you need information on the gear stuff mentioned in the newsletter Drew Aurigema is a friend/business partner so can put you in touch. He might still have everything still. I know he gave me a set of his Raptor plans on DVD and there might be something there as well. 

Dave

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 14:34 Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
HiGuys
Just new to this forum
I just recently picked up a Q2 project up here in Parry Sound , Ont.
I found this Dragonfly lay up for gear.
I think I have something else but wifey has told me to fire up the barbee so I'll just send this for now


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good advice, Jim. If Cody is going to go with inboard gear, either tail dragged or nose dragged, then he could also do a Waddlelow design.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Jay, after looking at the pictures and Cody telling me the shattered spar is about 14” from the small end, at the wheel pant, it seems to me that it would be difficult to fair in a repaired spar to the elevator slot core. As you know, that is a fairly thin area to work in. Also if the spar is not load tested and proven prior to install, a failure could cause the elevator end to fail. Repairing the spar in that area would be difficult even for experienced glass guys. My suggestion to him was to find a spar.

 

Believe me, flying a newly repaired spar

Is much more disturbing and unnerving than my 1st. flight was. With all the other stuff going on during the first flight, this is additional mental anguish you don’t need.

 

Not saying it can’t be done but personally I would be trying to find another spar. There’s got to be one around somewhere and there’s something to be said about peace of mind.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Jim

N46JP - Q200

 

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:51:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Hi Cody,

 

I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.

 

If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.

 

If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.

 

If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.

 

***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.

 

I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.

 

By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.

 

Cheers,

jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?



--
 
Mike Steinsland



--
 
Mike Steinsland


Re: November Q-Tour featuring Bruce Crain & Honey Lamb! - 11/14/2020 9:00 CST

John Hoxie
 

That's either an old picture or an old shirt.


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Sam Hoskins
<sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
From Enid, Oklahoma join Bruce and Joanne as they show off their beautiful Tri-Q200.  This aircraft has the Wadalow canard and an extended wing.  He also has an MT variable pitch prop.

As usual, we'll have the presentation for the first 40 minutes. Then we'll all sign off, then back on for the Q&A session The link to the meeting is at the bottom of this email. Please don't attempt to log in before the designated time. If everything goes right, we'll have the session uploaded to YouTube in a couple of days.

Coming up in December will be Matthew Curico in his well-traveled Q-200. As you may know, Matthew has flown it to all of the lower 48 states, plus Alaska.  He even flew it to Barrow, AK.

Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: December Q-Tour with Bruce Crain
Time: Nov 14, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/78012374049?pwd=Q3NiM0psUUVKanhsbEduMUljYzFqZz09
 
Meeting ID: 780 1237 4049
Passcode: bsw3tY

 


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

kingdws@...
 

If you need information on the gear stuff mentioned in the newsletter Drew Aurigema is a friend/business partner so can put you in touch. He might still have everything still. I know he gave me a set of his Raptor plans on DVD and there might be something there as well. 

Dave

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 14:34 Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
HiGuys
Just new to this forum
I just recently picked up a Q2 project up here in Parry Sound , Ont.
I found this Dragonfly lay up for gear.
I think I have something else but wifey has told me to fire up the barbee so I'll just send this for now


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good advice, Jim. If Cody is going to go with inboard gear, either tail dragged or nose dragged, then he could also do a Waddlelow design.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Jay, after looking at the pictures and Cody telling me the shattered spar is about 14” from the small end, at the wheel pant, it seems to me that it would be difficult to fair in a repaired spar to the elevator slot core. As you know, that is a fairly thin area to work in. Also if the spar is not load tested and proven prior to install, a failure could cause the elevator end to fail. Repairing the spar in that area would be difficult even for experienced glass guys. My suggestion to him was to find a spar.

 

Believe me, flying a newly repaired spar

Is much more disturbing and unnerving than my 1st. flight was. With all the other stuff going on during the first flight, this is additional mental anguish you don’t need.

 

Not saying it can’t be done but personally I would be trying to find another spar. There’s got to be one around somewhere and there’s something to be said about peace of mind.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Jim

N46JP - Q200

 

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:51:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Hi Cody,

 

I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.

 

If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.

 

If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.

 

If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.

 

***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.

 

I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.

 

By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.

 

Cheers,

jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?



--
 
Mike Steinsland


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Mike Steinsland
 

HiGuys
Just new to this forum
I just recently picked up a Q2 project up here in Parry Sound , Ont.
I found this Dragonfly lay up for gear.
I think I have something else but wifey has told me to fire up the barbee so I'll just send this for now


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 3:05 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good advice, Jim. If Cody is going to go with inboard gear, either tail dragged or nose dragged, then he could also do a Waddlelow design.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Jay, after looking at the pictures and Cody telling me the shattered spar is about 14” from the small end, at the wheel pant, it seems to me that it would be difficult to fair in a repaired spar to the elevator slot core. As you know, that is a fairly thin area to work in. Also if the spar is not load tested and proven prior to install, a failure could cause the elevator end to fail. Repairing the spar in that area would be difficult even for experienced glass guys. My suggestion to him was to find a spar.

 

Believe me, flying a newly repaired spar

Is much more disturbing and unnerving than my 1st. flight was. With all the other stuff going on during the first flight, this is additional mental anguish you don’t need.

 

Not saying it can’t be done but personally I would be trying to find another spar. There’s got to be one around somewhere and there’s something to be said about peace of mind.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Jim

N46JP - Q200

 

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:51:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Hi Cody,

 

I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.

 

If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.

 

If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.

 

If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.

 

***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.

 

I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.

 

By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.

 

Cheers,

jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?



--
 
Mike Steinsland


November Q-Tour featuring Bruce Crain & Honey Lamb! - 11/14/2020 9:00 CST

Sam Hoskins
 

From Enid, Oklahoma join Bruce and Joanne as they show off their beautiful Tri-Q200.  This aircraft has the Wadalow canard and an extended wing.  He also has an MT variable pitch prop.

As usual, we'll have the presentation for the first 40 minutes. Then we'll all sign off, then back on for the Q&A session The link to the meeting is at the bottom of this email. Please don't attempt to log in before the designated time. If everything goes right, we'll have the session uploaded to YouTube in a couple of days.

Coming up in December will be Matthew Curico in his well-traveled Q-200. As you may know, Matthew has flown it to all of the lower 48 states, plus Alaska.  He even flew it to Barrow, AK.

Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: December Q-Tour with Bruce Crain
Time: Nov 14, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/78012374049?pwd=Q3NiM0psUUVKanhsbEduMUljYzFqZz09
 
Meeting ID: 780 1237 4049
Passcode: bsw3tY

 


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Jay Scheevel
 

There have been a couple of guys who have built such a landing gear mounting box between the canard spar and the main tank, beefed up appropriately, then have used a hoop gear to build as tail dragger. This has also been done and extensively reported on the dragonfly. You may want to have a look around on the web for a design that you can apply to your aircraft. Grove will make aluminum hoop gear to your specification and gun drill them for the brake line, once you know the exact geometry you want to use.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:18 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

By quickly I guess it should be called a Q200 MKII. Moving the wheels and brakes inboard to a traditional Taildragger setup. Since the load on the outboard would be weight of landing loads if I stabilized the spar, run a C channel like the GU canard as well as the round carbon spar then spar cap the entire wing, it would be a bit more heavy. But it would be safe. Providing of course I find some plans on how the front landing gear mount into the plane/canard whichever. Right now it's looking kind of bleak, but there's a fix out there. We just need to find it.


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Jay Scheevel
 

Good advice, Jim. If Cody is going to go with inboard gear, either tail dragged or nose dragged, then he could also do a Waddlelow design.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:30 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Jay, after looking at the pictures and Cody telling me the shattered spar is about 14” from the small end, at the wheel pant, it seems to me that it would be difficult to fair in a repaired spar to the elevator slot core. As you know, that is a fairly thin area to work in. Also if the spar is not load tested and proven prior to install, a failure could cause the elevator end to fail. Repairing the spar in that area would be difficult even for experienced glass guys. My suggestion to him was to find a spar.

 

Believe me, flying a newly repaired spar

Is much more disturbing and unnerving than my 1st. flight was. With all the other stuff going on during the first flight, this is additional mental anguish you don’t need.

 

Not saying it can’t be done but personally I would be trying to find another spar. There’s got to be one around somewhere and there’s something to be said about peace of mind.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Jim

N46JP - Q200

 

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:51:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Hi Cody,

 

I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.

 

If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.

 

If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.

 

If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.

 

***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.

 

I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.

 

By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.

 

Cheers,

jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Jim Patillo
 

Jay, after looking at the pictures and Cody telling me the shattered spar is about 14” from the small end, at the wheel pant, it seems to me that it would be difficult to fair in a repaired spar to the elevator slot core. As you know, that is a fairly thin area to work in. Also if the spar is not load tested and proven prior to install, a failure could cause the elevator end to fail. Repairing the spar in that area would be difficult even for experienced glass guys. My suggestion to him was to find a spar.

Believe me, flying a newly repaired spar
Is much more disturbing and unnerving than my 1st. flight was. With all the other stuff going on during the first flight, this is additional mental anguish you don’t need.

Not saying it can’t be done but personally I would be trying to find another spar. There’s got to be one around somewhere and there’s something to be said about peace of mind.

Just my opinion.

Jim
N46JP - Q200

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:51:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice
 

Hi Cody,

 

I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.

 

If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.

 

If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.

 

If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.

 

***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.

 

I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.

 

By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.

 

Cheers,

jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

By quickly I guess it should be called a Q200 MKII. Moving the wheels and brakes inboard to a traditional Taildragger setup. Since the load on the outboard would be weight of landing loads if I stabilized the spar, run a C channel like the GU canard as well as the round carbon spar then spar cap the entire wing, it would be a bit more heavy. But it would be safe. Providing of course I find some plans on how the front landing gear mount into the plane/canard whichever. Right now it's looking kind of bleak, but there's a fix out there. We just need to find it.


Re: Quickie Q-1 parts

Nathan Peck
 

If the phone number doesn’t work for you try 913.908.8583. 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 8:50 PM Nathan Peck <nathanpeck@...> wrote:
Hey folks.  A friend of mine has some Quickie Q-1 parts/components up for grabs.  It’s my understanding he has a wing, some fuselage bulkheads and sides, propeller, stainless firewall blank and more.  It will need to be picked up rather quickly or arrangements made ASAP.  Located in the Virginia area.  Please call Bill Freeman at 913.586.8015 if you have an interest. 

Thanks,
Nathan Peck


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Michael Dunning
 

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 11:01 AM, Cody wrote:
...Another was to cut the damage out and match cut the other spar. Then go with a quickfly hybrid... 
Can you explain more on this? I thought that the Dragonfly used a C-shaped spar and the Q200 a round spar, although my knowledge of Dragonflies is decidedly lacking. I do seem to recall that at least one Dragonfly was built with an LS canard, so the spar design there might help. I'll see if I can dig it up in the old DFBN newsletters today.

At any rate, looks like this post is back from the dead; not sure if Sam ever got the Weishaar plans from the last post? Maybe someone can share more about the "Kimball / Kimbal" bird in that thread as a possible Option #4?

New Carbon Spar Manufacturing ???
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Q1 Fueslage - Tailspring detail

Eugen Pilarski
 

Hi Q-Experts,

i have just a short question about the Q1 Fuselage detail, show up on Page 7-9 in Q1 Build manual. There is an point about "Tapering for Tailspring Support" on that page 7-9, please find some picture and the 3d Model.

The material cut between STA166 and STA 172 should form the outer side or from the inner side of the fuselage? The description/drawings are not clear so far for me. Please refer to the picture in the attachment.

Best regards 

Eugen 


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Thank you so much for your reply. What you proposed was one idea. Another was to cut the damage out and match cut the other spar. Then go with a quickfly hybrid or maybe even a tri-q. 3rd and preferred option would be to obtain a good spar (hard to find best option). I figured we would start by jigging the fuselage and using straps to bring it back into shape. At least that way we make forward progress on the project while a decision is being made on the canard. 


Re: Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Cody,

 

I think you can repair/rebuild that outboard end of the spar. Better to do that than try to use one from salvage/wrecked plane, since the spar usually breaks in a crash and would probably be damaged on any salvaged plane.

 

If you can find a new spar that is an option, but they are hard to find.

 

If you want to repair:
One way to do it would be to could cut the damaged portion off squarely, then hot-wire a foam plug with the length and taper as inside of the portion of the spar you are replacing. After cutting off the damaged part off the spar you feather the undamaged portion back 1” per ply of carbon to allow you to lay up the unidirectional plies overlapping the feathered plies by 1” corresponding to the number of plies and weight of carbon as on the good portion of the spar. Jig the hotwired plug to be perfectly aligned with the remaining undamaged spar then layup the top side with carbon fiber overlapping the tapers*** (make sure the uni-fibers are straight). After it cures, flip the spar over and lay up on the bottom side with the same number of plies, overlapping the plies from the top layup on front and back of the spar by about an inch. Make sure you use peel ply on the front and back of the spar when you lay up the top side, so your bottom side layup will bond properly. You will probably want to sand slightly after the repair to smooth out the areas where the feathered plies are. Be careful not to damage your layups***. Then you will want to wrap the repair with one BiD ply at 45 degrees for shear strength.

 

If you are unsure about the number of plies and weight of the carbon fiber, you can take a piece of the damaged section that you cut off and carefully examine it and or destroy it to find out how many plies.  If it was fiberglass, you could probably burn it and find out, but I am pretty sure that would incinerate carbon fiber….maybe some else knows for sure.

 

***See the composite repair instructions in the Quickie plans for how to feather and do layup repairs. The unidirectional carbon is available from aircraft spruce. Wear a mask when sanding. The carbon fiber dust is nasty.

 

I am sure that the composite experts in this group (I am NOT a composite expert!) will improve on my suggestions, so stand by to see if they chime in. Good luck.

 

By the way, if there are still bottles of epoxy from the original kit, throw them away. They are way too old by now to use.

 

Cheers,

jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:29 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?


Beginning labor pains #photo-notice

 

Today my friend and I went into labor pains. We brought our baby "Gypsy Wind" to the hospital and made some contact with the doctors. Bruce, and Jim. So far we've got a mess of parts scattered and un-confirmed. We have found the fuselage is a little warped from sitting in pieces for 30 years. But there's a plan to fix that. We found the damage to one of the spare on the outboard edge to be more significant than we thought. Does anyone have a spar available? Maybe out of a crashed q200?


Quickie Q-1 parts

Nathan Peck
 

Hey folks.  A friend of mine has some Quickie Q-1 parts/components up for grabs.  It’s my understanding he has a wing, some fuselage bulkheads and sides, propeller, stainless firewall blank and more.  It will need to be picked up rather quickly or arrangements made ASAP.  Located in the Virginia area.  Please call Bill Freeman at 913.586.8015 if you have an interest. 

Thanks,
Nathan Peck


Re: Flight Report

John Hoxie
 

Great report Mike.


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 12:34 PM, Mike Dwyer
<q200pilot@...> wrote:
A reasonably nice day here in West Central Florida but there is a hurricane coming soon so figured I better get a flight in today.  We only have one runway open RWY4-22 but the wind was from 60 degrees at 10 to 16K.  Temp 70F, humidity 70%.  The Q200 hadn't been run for 2 weeks so it didn't pop right off but after about 10 blades it fired up and stayed running.  I have a carb and have installed a primer that injects fuel right on the low pressure side of the intake valve.  Using that helps starting a lot.  

The airport was pretty busy today.  The Cherokee GA trainers were out in force and mixing it up with the Bis Jets and Airbuss's.  Took 18 minutes to get launched.  My normal lately has been around 10 so it was busy.  After launch I had to level off at 1000 feet to keep from going into the Tampa Class B and checking Flight Aware, they showed me at 197 mph before I pulled the power back.  I then climbed up to 5500'.  The mission today was to fire up the 2 meter ham radio and talk to people.  At ground level these radios talk 10-20 miles... But at 5500' wow, half of Florida was listening to me.  I got several people that were new ham operators and very excited to talk to an airplane.  Others told me of their days flying in the Virgin Islands.  Others talked about wanting to get a pilot license.  It was fun.  

As I got back to the Tampa Bay beaches I hung up the ham radio and dialed up KPIE.  I slipped in behind a slow mover and KPIE told me I was 30K faster.  Darn, I had already slowed down to final approach speed and I was still 30K faster!  Here go the S-Turns.  The tower complimented me on making the spacing good.  I mostly had the traffic visually and the ADS-B was doing great with his position.  Then an Airbuss pulled in 10 miles behind me!   Now I'm the slow mover!   I'm burning maybe 3 GPH and the Airbuss probably 300 GPH , so I offer to leave to the west and come back later.  The tower says nah, keep coming.  The slow mover has gone around so I'm cleared to land so I let the Q200 speed up a bit to 130K.  Now the trick is going to be, getting down to 80K to land.  The way I do that is pull up, slow to 80K and let her drop like a rock.  If you plan it just right you got enough speed to flare and land.  Worked out perfect, made the second turn off, and looked back to see the Airbuss on short final.  Taxied back to the hangar and was looking out the right side to see the Airbuss go by on the runway.  The jet used the whole runway and turned off at the end of the runway.  She (female pilot) was told to yield to the experimental on the taxiway  :) 

Oh, the hurricane.  I checked just now and it looks like it will hit Key West and miss our area.  Darn hurricanes.  

Mike Dwyer
Q200 N3QP


Re: Flight Report

britmcman99
 

Mike. Did you use the word “Flare”?

Phil


On Nov 5, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Mike’s got it right. It can be verified independently on FlightAware. Here is the plot (below). When Mike leveled out after takeoff at 900’ MSL, he hit 204 mph groundspeed, that is probably around 197 mph CAS, depending on conditions. Very fast, Mike!

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 5:01 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Flight Report

 

Video or it didn't happen, Mike!! (You can tell you've gotten us spoiled :D
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

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