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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Bill Allen
Thanks Corbin. Understood. I had the same issue ( which I described way back in this thread) - the bracket fitted the engine OK, but unless the sensor was perfectly lined up, no sparks. I confirmed the system was wired correctly by passing a S-pole of a magnet over the mini-sensor, in which case the plugs would spark. I don't like to call Klaus as it’s always my fault. I think in Germany the customer isn’t always right..... and statistically Klaus probably has this confirmed for him on a daily basis. Bill
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Yes, in fact, a local IA recommended that approach as well. I’d certainly would be easiest.
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Corbin
On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Mike Steinsland
Is it possible to weld the mounting holes shut then drill new ones? Save a lot of manufacturing
Hey Bill,
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Hey Bill,
I guess I was so happy about the spark that I neglected to clarify. Thanks for that. Yes, both brackets holding the DC mini sensor, to the engine case, were not drilled correctly. I am not sure if they are for a different engine or just drilled incorrectly. Klaus recommended drilling new holes. There is no room for new holes, I would have to modify the existing holes which could have the risk of moving under vibration....then no more sparky sparky. So I will look into making my own new brackets with correctly drilled holes. The alignment is within the tolerance of the manual but not enough to get the spark. I can tell you, from a technical writer's perspective, that there are many areas of improvement in that install manual. Needless to say areas of quality control concern. But I now have sparks so I am happy as can be. -- Corbin N33QR
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Bill Allen
Good that the problem has been found to be; <<the brackets sent to me were not drilled correctly causing misalignment >> Do you mean the bracket that holds the mini-sensor to the engine case, or some other bracket? Bill Allen
The resolution on this issue has been discovered so I wanted to update this thread for future reference. --
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
The resolution on this issue has been discovered so I wanted to update this thread for future reference.
Klaus has been great and it has been discovered (and proven) that the brackets sent to me were not drilled correctly causing misalignment. We were at least correct in identifying the problem area. Off to design a new bracket modification now. Corbin N33QR
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Reminder: November Q-Tour featuring Bruce Crain & Honey Lamb! - Saturday, 11/14/2020 9:00 CST
From Enid, Oklahoma join Bruce and Joanne as they show off their beautiful Tri-Q200. This aircraft has the Wadalow canard and an extended wing. He also has an MT variable pitch prop.
As usual, we'll have the presentation for the first 40 minutes. Then we'll all sign off, then back on for the Q&A session The link to the meeting is at the bottom of this email. Please don't attempt to log in before the designated time. If everything goes right, we'll have the session uploaded to YouTube in a couple of days. Coming up in December will be Matthew Curico in his well-traveled Q-200. As you may know, Matthew has flown it to all of the lower 48 states, plus Alaska. He even flew it to Barrow, AK. Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
All questions welcome and this might actually be a good one as well. I noticed on the RV forum that one guy noticed his pin 1 and 9 and had a solder issue connecting them together. I will need to confer with Marcus, my avionics guy, to be 100%. I know he thoroughly checked all the pins a few times and saw the voltage he wanted or expected. But won't hurt for me to double-check with him.
It seemed the part we were not seeing (besides the spark) is the drop in voltage on the input side when the magnet passes by the sensor. We would see 5v so we know the current is flowing, but if I understand correctly, the magnet interrupts the current (5v drops to 0) which sends off the signal to the output side to fire the spark. -- Corbin N33QR
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Paul Fisher
(one more stupid question) Are you sure pins 1 and 9 are NOT connected together on the output connector? Connecting those two pins together shuts off the ignition - just like a p-lead on a magneto. Like I said, stupid question, but I couldn't help asking! Paul
Good question. Yes, we have a full 12v to both ignitions. We have only run the starter 3-4 times and are still showing 12v but have a battery charger ready in case it drops during further testing.
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Good question. Yes, we have a full 12v to both ignitions. We have only run the starter 3-4 times and are still showing 12v but have a battery charger ready in case it drops during further testing.
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Is battery fully charged and supplying 12V+ to both
ignitions?
Jim
N46JP Q200
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:37:46 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils We are closer to .030" in the range of .030" to .060" since the crankshaft on the O-200 doesn't move back and forth much. I want to say we left it around .032".
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
We are closer to .030" in the range of .030" to .060" since the crankshaft on the O-200 doesn't move back and forth much. I want to say we left it around .032".
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
How much gap do you have between the magnet and pickup? Jim
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Re: Q-2 /Q-200 parts for sale almost free
Kyle Voltz <kvoltz21@...>
Boy could I use the tail cone parts, but I’m in Oshkosh :/
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Kyle D. Voltz 20 Castle Ct. Oshkosh, WI 54902 Mobile: 309.945.5188 | Email: Kvoltz21@... Commercial Pilot ASEL/AMEL Instrument | Complex | Tailwheel | High Performance EAA Flight Advisor 880499
On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils
Just in case anyone was curious about an update, I thought I would let you know still no luck after trying again last night.
Klaus recommended we troubleshoot the input signal test but that passed as well-meaning the current is flowing from the sensor to the input on the ignition boxes. Just to be certain, we went through all troubleshooting steps again with no luck. Sensor alignment triple checked, 5v passes to input and we have output back to coils. At this point, all signs seem to be pointing towards the magnet plate so we the only thing left to try, that we could think of, is passing the South pole of a magnet by the sensor to see if we can get the volt drop. In the meantime, we will see what else Klaus recommends. -- Corbin N33QR
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Re: Q-2 /Q-200 parts for sale almost free
Martin, could you email me cody.craig1985@.... I'm interested as not only do I have my plane to build, but a friend wants to build one as well. This would be great.
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Re: Slight Damage to Canopy
Mike Steinsland
I've been in autobody all my life. Go with the flox, bondo will just break off the edge.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:57 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
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Something that small and non-structural I would use JB Weld. Sam
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Re: Slight Damage to Canopy
Dang, I knew I shouldn't have glued my wings on with that stuff! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote: No bondo over epoxy It will come off.
On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Re: Slight Damage to Canopy
No bondo over epoxy It will come off.
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On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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