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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Bill Allen
 

Thanks Corbin. Understood. I had the same issue ( which I described way back in this thread) - the bracket fitted the engine OK, but unless the sensor was perfectly lined up, no sparks. 
I confirmed the system was wired correctly by passing a S-pole of a magnet over the mini-sensor, in which case the plugs would spark.
I don't like to call Klaus as it’s always my fault. I think in Germany the customer isn’t always right..... and statistically Klaus probably has this confirmed for him on a daily basis.

Bill

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 02:22, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey Bill,

I guess I was so happy about the spark that I neglected to clarify.   Thanks for that.   Yes, both brackets holding the DC mini sensor, to the engine case, were not drilled correctly.  I am not sure if they are for a different engine or just drilled incorrectly.  Klaus recommended drilling new holes.  There is no room for new holes, I would have to modify the existing holes which could have the risk of moving under vibration....then no more sparky sparky.

So I will look into making my own new brackets with correctly drilled holes.  The alignment is within the tolerance of the manual but not enough to get the spark.  I can tell you, from a technical writer's perspective, that there are many areas of improvement in that install manual.   Needless to say areas of quality control concern.

But I now have sparks so I am happy as can be.
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

Yes, in fact, a local IA recommended that approach as well.  I’d certainly would be easiest.

Corbin

On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:


Is it possible to weld the mounting holes shut then drill new ones?
Save a lot of manufacturing 

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 8:22 PM Corbin via groups.io, <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey Bill,

I guess I was so happy about the spark that I neglected to clarify.   Thanks for that.   Yes, both brackets holding the DC mini sensor, to the engine case, were not drilled correctly.  I am not sure if they are for a different engine or just drilled incorrectly.  Klaus recommended drilling new holes.  There is no room for new holes, I would have to modify the existing holes which could have the risk of moving under vibration....then no more sparky sparky.

So I will look into making my own new brackets with correctly drilled holes.  The alignment is within the tolerance of the manual but not enough to get the spark.  I can tell you, from a technical writer's perspective, that there are many areas of improvement in that install manual.   Needless to say areas of quality control concern.

But I now have sparks so I am happy as can be.
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Corbin 
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Corbin 
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Mike Steinsland
 

Is it possible to weld the mounting holes shut then drill new ones?
Save a lot of manufacturing 

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 8:22 PM Corbin via groups.io, <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey Bill,

I guess I was so happy about the spark that I neglected to clarify.   Thanks for that.   Yes, both brackets holding the DC mini sensor, to the engine case, were not drilled correctly.  I am not sure if they are for a different engine or just drilled incorrectly.  Klaus recommended drilling new holes.  There is no room for new holes, I would have to modify the existing holes which could have the risk of moving under vibration....then no more sparky sparky.

So I will look into making my own new brackets with correctly drilled holes.  The alignment is within the tolerance of the manual but not enough to get the spark.  I can tell you, from a technical writer's perspective, that there are many areas of improvement in that install manual.   Needless to say areas of quality control concern.

But I now have sparks so I am happy as can be.
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Corbin 
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

Hey Bill,

I guess I was so happy about the spark that I neglected to clarify.   Thanks for that.   Yes, both brackets holding the DC mini sensor, to the engine case, were not drilled correctly.  I am not sure if they are for a different engine or just drilled incorrectly.  Klaus recommended drilling new holes.  There is no room for new holes, I would have to modify the existing holes which could have the risk of moving under vibration....then no more sparky sparky.

So I will look into making my own new brackets with correctly drilled holes.  The alignment is within the tolerance of the manual but not enough to get the spark.  I can tell you, from a technical writer's perspective, that there are many areas of improvement in that install manual.   Needless to say areas of quality control concern.

But I now have sparks so I am happy as can be.
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Corbin 
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Bill Allen
 

Good that the problem has been found to be; <<the brackets sent to me were not drilled correctly causing misalignment >>

Do you mean the bracket that holds the mini-sensor to the engine case, or some other bracket?

Bill Allen



On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 22:19, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
The resolution on this issue has been discovered so I wanted to update this thread for future reference.  

Klaus has been great and it has been discovered (and proven) that the brackets sent to me were not drilled correctly causing misalignment.  We were at least correct in identifying the problem area.  Off to design a new bracket modification now.

Corbin 
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

The resolution on this issue has been discovered so I wanted to update this thread for future reference.  

Klaus has been great and it has been discovered (and proven) that the brackets sent to me were not drilled correctly causing misalignment.  We were at least correct in identifying the problem area.  Off to design a new bracket modification now.

Corbin 
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Sam Hoskins
 

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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

All questions welcome and this might actually be a good one as well.  I noticed on the RV forum that one guy noticed his pin 1 and 9 and had a solder issue connecting them together.  I will need to confer with Marcus, my avionics guy, to be 100%.  I know he thoroughly checked all the pins a  few times and saw the voltage he wanted or expected. But won't hurt for me to double-check with him.

It seemed the part we were not seeing (besides the spark) is the drop in voltage on the input side when the magnet passes by the sensor.  We would see 5v so we know the current is flowing, but if I understand correctly, the magnet interrupts the current  (5v drops to 0)  which sends off the signal to the output side to fire the spark.   
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Paul Fisher
 

(one more stupid question)
Are you sure pins 1 and 9 are NOT connected together on the output connector?  Connecting those two pins together shuts off the ignition - just like a p-lead on a magneto.

Like I said, stupid question, but I couldn't help asking!

Paul

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 12:03 Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good question. Yes, we have a full 12v to both ignitions.  We have only run the starter 3-4 times and are still showing 12v but have a battery charger ready in case it drops during further testing.
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

Good question. Yes, we have a full 12v to both ignitions.  We have only run the starter 3-4 times and are still showing 12v but have a battery charger ready in case it drops during further testing.
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Jim Patillo
 

Is battery fully charged and supplying 12V+ to both ignitions?

Jim
N46JP Q200

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We are closer to .030" in the range of .030" to .060" since the crankshaft on the O-200 doesn't move back and forth much.   I want to say we left it around .032".
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

We are closer to .030" in the range of .030" to .060" since the crankshaft on the O-200 doesn't move back and forth much.   I want to say we left it around .032".
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Jim Patillo
 

How much gap do you have between the magnet and pickup?

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Q-2 /Q-200 parts for sale almost free

Kyle Voltz <kvoltz21@...>
 

Boy could I use the tail cone parts, but I’m in Oshkosh :/

Kyle D. Voltz
20 Castle Ct. Oshkosh, WI 54902
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On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

I have a set of wings and the LS canard has a spar in it.  But I don't want to break up the kit so if he wants they he would need to buy the whole thing.

Then lots of spare parts he would have :)


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Cody Craig needs a carbon fiber spar if you  have one!
Bruce

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Gang, I have some factory new Q-2 parts for sale. I need them gone fast. If you belong to a EAA chapter of have another 501c3 org I will donate them.
top and bottom fuse.
top and bottom tail cone 
most bulkheads
canopy
top and bottom cowl
I also have some 4A-084 engines (2 new) and prop hubs
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Re: Electronic Ignition Install - No Spark from Coils

Corbin
 

Just in case anyone was curious about an update, I thought I would let you know still no luck after trying again last night.

Klaus recommended we troubleshoot the input signal test but that passed as well-meaning the current is flowing from the sensor to the input on the ignition boxes.  Just to be certain, we went through all troubleshooting steps again with no luck.  Sensor alignment triple checked, 5v passes to input and we have output back to coils.  At this point, all signs seem to be pointing towards the magnet plate so we the only thing left to try, that we could think of, is passing the South pole of a magnet by the sensor to see if we can get the volt drop.  

In the meantime, we will see what else Klaus recommends.

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Re: Q-2 /Q-200 parts for sale almost free

 

Martin, could you email me cody.craig1985@.... I'm interested as not only do I have my plane to build, but a friend wants to build one as well. This would be great.


Re: Slight Damage to Canopy

Mike Steinsland
 

I've been in autobody all my life.
Go with the flox, bondo will just break off the edge.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:57 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Something that small and non-structural I would use JB Weld.

Sam 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 9:30 PM One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
No bondo over epoxy It will come off.

Charlie


On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would just use bondo, then sand it down flush, paint it with some matching white urethane (just use a brush and do several coats 20 minutes or so apart). Wait for it to thoroughly dry, then go at it feathering it with 400, 800, 1200 grit wet sanding without working through the paint, then buff it and wax it and you are done. If you get through the paint, then just repeat the process. My 2 cents
Cheers,
Jay
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Subject: [Q-List] Slight Damage to Canopy

What’s the recommended fix for this bit of damage to the canopy edge?  I’m only assuming my avionics guy left something hanging out of the cockpit and then shut the canopy.  But it wasn’t there the last time I flew for certain.






Corbin

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Re: Slight Damage to Canopy

Sam Hoskins
 

Something that small and non-structural I would use JB Weld.

Sam 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 9:30 PM One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
No bondo over epoxy It will come off.

Charlie


On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would just use bondo, then sand it down flush, paint it with some matching white urethane (just use a brush and do several coats 20 minutes or so apart). Wait for it to thoroughly dry, then go at it feathering it with 400, 800, 1200 grit wet sanding without working through the paint, then buff it and wax it and you are done. If you get through the paint, then just repeat the process. My 2 cents
Cheers,
Jay
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Subject: [Q-List] Slight Damage to Canopy

What’s the recommended fix for this bit of damage to the canopy edge?  I’m only assuming my avionics guy left something hanging out of the cockpit and then shut the canopy.  But it wasn’t there the last time I flew for certain.






Corbin

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Re: Slight Damage to Canopy

Jay Scheevel
 

Dang, I knew I shouldn't have glued my wings on with that stuff!

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"One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

No bondo over epoxy It will come off.

On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would just use bondo, then sand it down flush, paint it with some matching white urethane (just use a brush and do several coats 20 minutes or so apart). Wait for it to thoroughly dry, then go at it feathering it with 400, 800, 1200 grit wet sanding without working through the paint, then buff it and wax it and you are done. If you get through the paint, then just repeat the process. My 2 cents
Cheers,
Jay
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:18 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Slight Damage to Canopy

What’s the recommended fix for this bit of damage to the canopy edge?  I’m only assuming my avionics guy left something hanging out of the cockpit and then shut the canopy.  But it wasn’t there the last time I flew for certain.






Corbin

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Re: Slight Damage to Canopy

One Sky Dog
 

No bondo over epoxy It will come off.

On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I would just use bondo, then sand it down flush, paint it with some matching white urethane (just use a brush and do several coats 20 minutes or so apart). Wait for it to thoroughly dry, then go at it feathering it with 400, 800, 1200 grit wet sanding without working through the paint, then buff it and wax it and you are done. If you get through the paint, then just repeat the process. My 2 cents
Cheers,
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:18 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Slight Damage to Canopy

What’s the recommended fix for this bit of damage to the canopy edge?  I’m only assuming my avionics guy left something hanging out of the cockpit and then shut the canopy.  But it wasn’t there the last time I flew for certain.






Corbin

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