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Re: Mass balance

Chris Walterson
 

Mike and Jim-------- I  know I have beaten the subject of mass balance the elevators to dead, but I  have looked everywhere and can't find the info on the balance. The info for the ailerons is in the engine install package, bit I can't find any pictures or on line info. The other info in my plans are the center bellcrank info with the interesting trim system.

 Bare with me.    I am thinking it mounts on the pilot side close the fuselage. if so, does it interfere with the upright reinforcing piece joining the fuselage to the spar?

 Installed the turtle deck this morning.  I cut the seatback for limited luggage and this allows me to reach in and do a good finger wipe with the excess micro.

 Hope to get the canard root fairing carved today.  Just like the movie Appocolips now,  "don't you love the smell of epoxi in the morning"

 Take care-----------------  Chris


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Re: Q1 parts

David Hawks
 

Sure would be interested in the full size prints for the metal parts and templates if you ever decide to offer them.


Re: Does anyone know the plane that Brian Martinez Built?

Michael Dunning
 

Brian wrote plenty of articles if you search on Quickheads. Here's just one example:
Q-200 WING INCIDENCE CHANGE

And a few more on the EAA 1000 chapter website:
Brian Martinez's Q-200 Flies!

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Does anyone know the plane that Brian Martinez Built?

Rik
 

I am looking  for information on N557BM and wanted to know if anyone knows the plane that Brian Martinez had built. 

What was the story on his plane?


Thanks,

Rik


right side control

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 


Re: Mass balance

Mike Dwyer
 

I second that.
Mike Q200 N3QP

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 9:17 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Why don’t you just follow the Q200 plans. That seemed to work for me.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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Subject: [Q-List] Mass balance
 
  I noticed before it was mentioned you could use one mass balance for
the elevators on the Q200.  Is there any special place it should go?  I
am tempted to weld the balance arm to one of the center bellcranks.

  On another note, I am installing dual controls in my airplane. One on
the center as per plans and then another on the right consol. It will
fit, just.  Because the fuselage is rounded I need to cut a bit of
fuselage away and have the bellcrank partley inside the root fairing for
the canard.

  Got  the canard and wing mounted and will send some pictures later and
explanation of what  I did .

  still having fun-------------  Chris


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Saturday Zoom get-together

Sam Hoskins
 

No tour, just a general idea exchange. 
Saturday 09:00 Central time. 

https://us04web.zoom.us/j/72984066294?pwd=aGI1MXV6N0E2dWVJU2FsbldoL091QT09
 
Meeting ID: 729 8406 6294
Passcode: 7bik6e
 


Re: Mass balance

Michael Dunning
 

Be interested in seeing those pictures too, Jerry. Don't have it in me for that kind of mod right now but always nice to know for the future.
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Re: Mass balance

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Chris. I'll send you pictures of what I did for the right stick. Didnt have to modify fuselage.
Will go to airport tomorrow.

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...>
Date: 12/10/20 9:17 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Mass balance

Why don’t you just follow the Q200 plans. That seemed to work for me.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:05:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Mass balance
 
  I noticed before it was mentioned you could use one mass balance for
the elevators on the Q200.  Is there any special place it should go?  I
am tempted to weld the balance arm to one of the center bellcranks.

  On another note, I am installing dual controls in my airplane. One on
the center as per plans and then another on the right consol. It will
fit, just.  Because the fuselage is rounded I need to cut a bit of
fuselage away and have the bellcrank partley inside the root fairing for
the canard.

  Got  the canard and wing mounted and will send some pictures later and
explanation of what  I did .

  still having fun-------------  Chris


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Re: Mass balance

Jim Patillo
 

Why don’t you just follow the Q200 plans. That seemed to work for me.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:05:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Mass balance
 
  I noticed before it was mentioned you could use one mass balance for
the elevators on the Q200.  Is there any special place it should go?  I
am tempted to weld the balance arm to one of the center bellcranks.

  On another note, I am installing dual controls in my airplane. One on
the center as per plans and then another on the right consol. It will
fit, just.  Because the fuselage is rounded I need to cut a bit of
fuselage away and have the bellcrank partley inside the root fairing for
the canard.

  Got  the canard and wing mounted and will send some pictures later and
explanation of what  I did .

  still having fun-------------  Chris


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Mass balance

Chris Walterson
 

I noticed before it was mentioned you could use one mass balance for the elevators on the Q200.  Is there any special place it should go?  I am tempted to weld the balance arm to one of the center bellcranks.

 On another note, I am installing dual controls in my airplane. One on the center as per plans and then another on the right consol. It will fit, just.  Because the fuselage is rounded I need to cut a bit of fuselage away and have the bellcrank partley inside the root fairing for the canard.

 Got  the canard and wing mounted and will send some pictures later and explanation of what  I did .

 still having fun-------------  Chris


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Re: Canceling this month's Q-Tour

Sam Hoskins
 

Sure. Good idea. 

Use the same link I previously sent out and you'll be good for 40 minutes. 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 2:24 PM Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:
Sam,

I'd really like to see us keep the momentum going on these talks. Any chance we can still get the gang together for 40 minutes of "Hangar Flying" this weekend, generic Q&A? 
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Re: Canceling this month's Q-Tour

Michael Dunning
 

Sam,

I'd really like to see us keep the momentum going on these talks. Any chance we can still get the gang together for 40 minutes of "Hangar Flying" this weekend, generic Q&A? 
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Canceling this month's Q-Tour

Sam Hoskins
 

Matthew had some scheduling problems come up, so we're going to take a rest this month. We should be back on track in January.

Thanks all.

Sam Hoskins


Re: Gypsy Wind

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Not as forward crew, but performing customer check ride and pre delivery squawk flight in one of the first Falcon 50's (Anheuser-Busch always bought the first Falcon model release from Dassault); we were over Dardenelle Arkansas on the way back to Little Rock Adams Field (back then that was it's name) and that aircraft happened to be optioned with an aft cabin mach indicator.  Captain spooled all three engines in the decent dive and Oops! Somehow mach trim was offline and the aircraft leaped past 1.0.  Rock solid. I will swear on a stack of Continental crankshafts to the FAA we never could get that same error.

 It's quite possible I worked on your aircraft in the completion center.  The 10 is quite a nice aircraft. From my last factory gig, which was on the G280, I can attest the Gulfstream products are not even close...I have no idea why anyone would spend 45 million for one. I've been to Israel to support them also at IAI. Nice enough folks but not much impressed with the product.  


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Cringely <bob@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind
 
Speaking of Falcons, 45 years ago I spent my weekends flying a Falcon 10 with British aerobatic champion and RAF test pilot Neil Williams. We mainly dashed from London to Paris and back. One dark night over the Channel Neil did a 1-G roll with customers in the back. Nobody noticed. Another time we went supersonic in a shallow dive and now body noticed that, either.  What a great airplane!

Bob

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Cody,

 

You may be interested in reading about the kids that are building and flying at my home field in Western Colorado.

 

https://hawkaviators.org/

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind

 

 It's easy at the airport to simply "see" an airplane. What is not thought of the man-YEARS it takes to build just one, not to mention the education of all that must be in place to support.

 

 Even an old hand in the big factories cannot help but be amazed at how an aircraft the size of a 777 is final assembled in 3 and one half days! Now of course the rate of build is slower. The NG 737 were being built and flown out of Seattle at one each 8.5 hours! And no two airliners are the same either.. the options list and various cabin configurations are vast. Engine packages as well.. the list goes on and on.   

 

 As a factory mechanic I never had to really understand the depth to accomplish these tasks, but as grass is green in Spring I understood really fast what happened if the rate was not met!! Still..most skills were gained not in the factory..but the hangars and shops of restoration or homebuilding. 

 

 I believe it is a very important task to open the eyes of youth to the fact that "things" in this world do not simply appear out of vaporware. Someone has to have the drive and interest to make real things happen.  Yes we can use current tools and we should, but the push in schools for only esoteric or theory leaves a lot to be done. 

 

 As I stated more than once.. I'm the Village Idiot. I was hired in several places and never stopped learning. Still am learning. Sometimes something in the past I learned can be useful but by no means do I consider myself knowledgeble

        

 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Cody <cody.craig1985@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind

 

This!
This is why building this project is important to me. As well as making something that will hopefully outlive me in the long run, I want to build this the way I think it should be done. Access panels where they are actually needed etc etc.... Ive also been doing live feeds with some 7-12 graders on this build, to garner interest in maintenance. Everyone focuses on pilots, but what about the builders and maintainers? There's a lot of love for the industry not seen by the public. The story is missing half its heart.


Re: Gypsy Wind

Robert Cringely
 

Speaking of Falcons, 45 years ago I spent my weekends flying a Falcon 10 with British aerobatic champion and RAF test pilot Neil Williams. We mainly dashed from London to Paris and back. One dark night over the Channel Neil did a 1-G roll with customers in the back. Nobody noticed. Another time we went supersonic in a shallow dive and now body noticed that, either.  What a great airplane!

Bob

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Cody,

 

You may be interested in reading about the kids that are building and flying at my home field in Western Colorado.

 

https://hawkaviators.org/

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind

 

 It's easy at the airport to simply "see" an airplane. What is not thought of the man-YEARS it takes to build just one, not to mention the education of all that must be in place to support.

 

 Even an old hand in the big factories cannot help but be amazed at how an aircraft the size of a 777 is final assembled in 3 and one half days! Now of course the rate of build is slower. The NG 737 were being built and flown out of Seattle at one each 8.5 hours! And no two airliners are the same either.. the options list and various cabin configurations are vast. Engine packages as well.. the list goes on and on.   

 

 As a factory mechanic I never had to really understand the depth to accomplish these tasks, but as grass is green in Spring I understood really fast what happened if the rate was not met!! Still..most skills were gained not in the factory..but the hangars and shops of restoration or homebuilding. 

 

 I believe it is a very important task to open the eyes of youth to the fact that "things" in this world do not simply appear out of vaporware. Someone has to have the drive and interest to make real things happen.  Yes we can use current tools and we should, but the push in schools for only esoteric or theory leaves a lot to be done. 

 

 As I stated more than once.. I'm the Village Idiot. I was hired in several places and never stopped learning. Still am learning. Sometimes something in the past I learned can be useful but by no means do I consider myself knowledgeble

        

 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Cody <cody.craig1985@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind

 

This!
This is why building this project is important to me. As well as making something that will hopefully outlive me in the long run, I want to build this the way I think it should be done. Access panels where they are actually needed etc etc.... Ive also been doing live feeds with some 7-12 graders on this build, to garner interest in maintenance. Everyone focuses on pilots, but what about the builders and maintainers? There's a lot of love for the industry not seen by the public. The story is missing half its heart.


Re: Gypsy Wind

Jay Scheevel
 

Cody,

 

You may be interested in reading about the kids that are building and flying at my home field in Western Colorado.

 

https://hawkaviators.org/

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind

 

 It's easy at the airport to simply "see" an airplane. What is not thought of the man-YEARS it takes to build just one, not to mention the education of all that must be in place to support.

 

 Even an old hand in the big factories cannot help but be amazed at how an aircraft the size of a 777 is final assembled in 3 and one half days! Now of course the rate of build is slower. The NG 737 were being built and flown out of Seattle at one each 8.5 hours! And no two airliners are the same either.. the options list and various cabin configurations are vast. Engine packages as well.. the list goes on and on.   

 

 As a factory mechanic I never had to really understand the depth to accomplish these tasks, but as grass is green in Spring I understood really fast what happened if the rate was not met!! Still..most skills were gained not in the factory..but the hangars and shops of restoration or homebuilding. 

 

 I believe it is a very important task to open the eyes of youth to the fact that "things" in this world do not simply appear out of vaporware. Someone has to have the drive and interest to make real things happen.  Yes we can use current tools and we should, but the push in schools for only esoteric or theory leaves a lot to be done. 

 

 As I stated more than once.. I'm the Village Idiot. I was hired in several places and never stopped learning. Still am learning. Sometimes something in the past I learned can be useful but by no means do I consider myself knowledgeble

        

 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Cody <cody.craig1985@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind

 

This!
This is why building this project is important to me. As well as making something that will hopefully outlive me in the long run, I want to build this the way I think it should be done. Access panels where they are actually needed etc etc.... Ive also been doing live feeds with some 7-12 graders on this build, to garner interest in maintenance. Everyone focuses on pilots, but what about the builders and maintainers? There's a lot of love for the industry not seen by the public. The story is missing half its heart.


Re: Gypsy Wind

Frankenbird Vern
 

 It's easy at the airport to simply "see" an airplane. What is not thought of the man-YEARS it takes to build just one, not to mention the education of all that must be in place to support.
 
 Even an old hand in the big factories cannot help but be amazed at how an aircraft the size of a 777 is final assembled in 3 and one half days! Now of course the rate of build is slower. The NG 737 were being built and flown out of Seattle at one each 8.5 hours! And no two airliners are the same either.. the options list and various cabin configurations are vast. Engine packages as well.. the list goes on and on.   

 As a factory mechanic I never had to really understand the depth to accomplish these tasks, but as grass is green in Spring I understood really fast what happened if the rate was not met!! Still..most skills were gained not in the factory..but the hangars and shops of restoration or homebuilding. 

 I believe it is a very important task to open the eyes of youth to the fact that "things" in this world do not simply appear out of vaporware. Someone has to have the drive and interest to make real things happen.  Yes we can use current tools and we should, but the push in schools for only esoteric or theory leaves a lot to be done. 

 As I stated more than once.. I'm the Village Idiot. I was hired in several places and never stopped learning. Still am learning. Sometimes something in the past I learned can be useful but by no means do I consider myself knowledgeble
        


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Cody <cody.craig1985@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind
 
This!
This is why building this project is important to me. As well as making something that will hopefully outlive me in the long run, I want to build this the way I think it should be done. Access panels where they are actually needed etc etc.... Ive also been doing live feeds with some 7-12 graders on this build, to garner interest in maintenance. Everyone focuses on pilots, but what about the builders and maintainers? There's a lot of love for the industry not seen by the public. The story is missing half its heart.


Re: Gypsy Wind

 

This!
This is why building this project is important to me. As well as making something that will hopefully outlive me in the long run, I want to build this the way I think it should be done. Access panels where they are actually needed etc etc.... Ive also been doing live feeds with some 7-12 graders on this build, to garner interest in maintenance. Everyone focuses on pilots, but what about the builders and maintainers? There's a lot of love for the industry not seen by the public. The story is missing half its heart.


Re: Gypsy Wind

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Most of the folks I worked with then have passed away now. Dale Bacon, Walter Underwood. Mike Shroyer. 

 I was a young 20 year old then..earned my Private Certificate at North Little Rock municipal at 22 years old and that was also where I had my first chance to see (and fly) a Q1.  Little did I know then I would be working with Rutan and RAF/Scaled Composites in just a few years in Wichita. 

 I have not kept up with Dassault at all since then. I was also on the HU-25A conversion team. The Falcon 10, 20, and 50 are built like tanks..I built Lears, Beech, Cessna's, and more than a few restorations all the way back to Golden Era. Falcons of those days are superior aircraft.  

  Met a lot of celebrities. Some not so good.  For example, I have kept my promise to myself I would never go to a Wendy's. Horrible reps and ugly as shit Interior to boot. The Bee Gees on the other hand were a blast to have with us. I was Lead tech on both aircraft.

  Here's a trick if you have squawks on the cabin polarized windows slipping on the knob. We used to file shallow "v" cuts with a triangle file in the edge of the rotating plexiglas so the rubber o-rings would grip better. Increasing the spring tension on the idler pully helps a bit also. A small detail but the owners really appreciate the windows working as designed. 

 When Falcon no longer won 1st prize at the airshows because we were forced to give up the one piece headliner for example,  Teterboro sent idiots with stop watches do "time study" so the time to complete would be less. That also ment a few extra touches like this one were no longer done in order to meet the brain dead on arrival Industrial Engineering time limits. Anyway..the opportunity at Beech made my exit all that more interesting. 

 Reminds me of a lot of things similar...like the 787 and 737 Max.  Everyone here should consider that as homebuilders ALL of us can far exceed the factory builts because of not being forced to pay Stox dividends. What a factory tech might have an advantage of is repetitive experience but the loss is the special touches and care of fit up. It is a freedom of building that NO factory person can comprehend...only dream about! Every one of you have much more in your heart than almost any aviation workerbee. Do every task on your bird the best you can..even the seemingly non important ones.       


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Cody <cody.craig1985@...>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 8:56 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Gypsy Wind
 
Vern! 
Actually that isn't a hangar mate per say... He's a customer. I work exclusively on "Legacy Falcons" here at Phoenix Rising. Honestly reading Dassaults reports the New ones suck. Lots of corrosion issues, where my babies fly forever provided someone lives them. Did you know Richard Price, or Karl Eisenmanger? Pete Kranick? My emails cody.craig1985@..., I work on all the smaller planes on the side, but main job is all about Falcons.  

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