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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.
Jay Scheevel
Guess who’s using the cool little track/heading knob on their new AP? Neato! Cheers, Jay N8WQ 130 hours 
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jay Scheevel Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:08 PM To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today. Congrats Jerry. Glad you got back “on the air” so you could get back “in the air”. I also got up there this afternoon for a nice jaunt around town. 30 minutes in the air and a good landing do wonders for the soul! Jay
On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
I flew the TriQ 200 yesterday! Nice 55 degree day! I worked on arresting the descent on final after setting up the speed (100 st mph) with the elevator. Seems when I try to pull on the stick at the last minute to arrest descent it always slows me down (with the help of the MT electric prop) it gets slow and the nose gets to high and then it pays off with the nose gear getting punished by bouncing on the runway. So the moral to the story for my Q is something I heard years ago “power is altitude and elevator is airspeed”. Once close to the runway pull out the power. I did that and the landing was fantastic! Your mileage may vary. So that was my 1st flight of 2021! Changing the oil in ‘er next week getting ready for “Spring Fling”! Of course there is a condition inspection due in May so hopefully SF can be early this year. N96BJ Thx. Wow! You have it bad. Not to late to begin planning your 2022 first flight. How about Q-skis? Take care and stay safe. J -------- Original message -------- Date: 1/14/21 9:36 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today. Congratulations Jerry. Glad it all worked out. I finally got my hangar shoveled out, but the taxiways are not plowed wide enough to get the Q to the runway yet. Oh, and we're supposed to get another 2-3 inches of snow over the next two days. I don't think I'll have my first Q flight of the year for a while! Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.
Jay Scheevel
Congrats Jerry. Glad you got back “on the air” so you could get back “in the air”. I also got up there this afternoon for a nice jaunt around town. 30 minutes in the air and a good landing do wonders for the soul!
Cheers,
On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
I flew the TriQ 200 yesterday! Nice 55 degree day! I worked on arresting the descent on final after setting up the speed (100 st mph) with the elevator. Seems when I try to pull on the stick at the last minute to arrest descent it always slows me down (with the help of the MT electric prop) it gets slow and the nose gets to high and then it pays off with the nose gear getting punished by bouncing on the runway. So the moral to the story for my Q is something I heard years ago “power is altitude and elevator is airspeed”. Once close to the runway pull out the power. I did that and the landing was fantastic! Your mileage may vary. So that was my 1st flight of 2021! Changing the oil in ‘er next week getting ready for “Spring Fling”! Of course there is a condition inspection due in May so hopefully SF can be early this year. Bruski N96BJ On Jan 14, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Thx. Wow! You have it bad. Not to late to begin planning your 2022 first flight. How about Q-skis? Take care and stay safe. J
-------- Original message -------- From: Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> Date: 1/14/21 9:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Congratulations Jerry. Glad it all worked out.
I finally got my hangar shoveled out, but the taxiways are not plowed wide enough to get the Q to the runway yet. Oh, and we're supposed to get another 2-3 inches of snow over the next two days. I don't think I'll have my first Q flight of the year for a while!
Paul Q-200 N17PF Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight.
53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
Ya gotta love the Q. Jerry
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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.
Bruce Crain
I flew the TriQ 200 yesterday! Nice 55 degree day! I worked on arresting the descent on final after setting up the speed (100 st mph) with the elevator. Seems when I try to pull on the stick at the last minute to arrest descent it always slows me down (with the help of the MT electric prop) it gets slow and the nose gets to high and then it pays off with the nose gear getting punished by bouncing on the runway. So the moral to the story for my Q is something I heard years ago “power is altitude and elevator is airspeed”. Once close to the runway pull out the power. I did that and the landing was fantastic! Your mileage may vary. So that was my 1st flight of 2021! Changing the oil in ‘er next week getting ready for “Spring Fling”! Of course there is a condition inspection due in May so hopefully SF can be early this year. Bruski
On Jan 14, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Thx. Wow! You have it bad. Not to late to begin planning your 2022 first flight. How about Q-skis? Take care and stay safe. J
-------- Original message -------- From: Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> Date: 1/14/21 9:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Congratulations Jerry. Glad it all worked out.
I finally got my hangar shoveled out, but the taxiways are not plowed wide enough to get the Q to the runway yet. Oh, and we're supposed to get another 2-3 inches of snow over the next two days. I don't think I'll have my first Q flight of the year for a while!
Paul Q-200 N17PF Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight.
53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
Ya gotta love the Q. Jerry
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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.
Jim Patillo
Hi Jerry,
Glad to hear your Quickie is back in the air.
We fired up Bob Farnam’s Q today. Getting it ready for Mike N. (new owner) to fly it over to Nevada. We’re now down to a couple non flying Q’s on the field. It’s getting 😞 lonely.
Best,
Jim
N46JP - Q200
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 6:36:07 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Congratulations Jerry. Glad it all worked out.
I finally got my hangar shoveled out, but the taxiways are not plowed wide enough to get the Q to the runway yet. Oh, and we're supposed to get another 2-3 inches of snow over the next two days. I don't think I'll have my first Q flight of
the year for a while!
Paul
Q-200 N17PF
Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight.
53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry
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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Thx. Wow! You have it bad. Not to late to begin planning your 2022 first flight. How about Q-skis? Take care and stay safe. J
-------- Original message -------- From: Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> Date: 1/14/21 9:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Congratulations Jerry. Glad it all worked out.
I finally got my hangar shoveled out, but the taxiways are not plowed wide enough to get the Q to the runway yet. Oh, and we're supposed to get another 2-3 inches of snow over the next two days. I don't think I'll have my first Q flight of the year for a while!
Paul Q-200 N17PF Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight.
53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
Ya gotta love the Q. Jerry
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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.
Congratulations Jerry. Glad it all worked out.
I finally got my hangar shoveled out, but the taxiways are not plowed wide enough to get the Q to the runway yet. Oh, and we're supposed to get another 2-3 inches of snow over the next two days. I don't think I'll have my first Q flight of the year for a while!
Paul Q-200 N17PF
Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight.
53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
Ya gotta love the Q. Jerry
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Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight.
53-deg, great vis, calm winds. Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork. Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
Ya gotta love the Q. Jerry
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319 551 2698 cell
If I don’t answer leave a message.
Is a business phone so disregard the message.
Hope we can make this work.
Kevin
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Brian Larick <blarick@...> wrote:
Hi, Kevin. I’m interested. What’s the best way to get in touch with you?
Brian
On Jan 11, 2021, at 20:18, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Listers,
I am sending an update to the info below. I got a text from the owner of the Q2 below.
He has found the log books and the AW cert, along with some plans, etc.
I had told him that without those documents, the plane was a lump of parts.
With the AW cert, it is magically an airplane.
He is asking for an offer. Maybe begging for an offer. They would like to see it go to a good home, and someone get it flying again.
Could be a great opportunity for the right individual!
If interested let me know. Questions, ASK.
Kevin
On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Listers,
This evening I went to look at a Q2 that is for sale.
The plane is located near Postville IA.
Some of the Spring Flingers will remember Keith Kerr.
He had a masive stroke in Feb and only lived a few days.
Now his family would like to sell his plane.
Q2 with revmaster. Was flying and I believe built in IA.
If interested let me know and I will get contact info to you.
They don’t want a fortune, just that it go to a good home and fly again.
Keith didn’t ever fly it, just worked toward that end. I don’t really know what he was working on, or changes he was making.
I hope someone will have interest, and I can help his family.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B
Luana, IA.
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Hi, Kevin. I’m interested. What’s the best way to get in touch with you?
Brian
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On Jan 11, 2021, at 20:18, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Listers,
I am sending an update to the info below. I got a text from the owner of the Q2 below.
He has found the log books and the AW cert, along with some plans, etc.
I had told him that without those documents, the plane was a lump of parts.
With the AW cert, it is magically an airplane.
He is asking for an offer. Maybe begging for an offer. They would like to see it go to a good home, and someone get it flying again.
Could be a great opportunity for the right individual!
If interested let me know. Questions, ASK.
Kevin
On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Listers,
This evening I went to look at a Q2 that is for sale.
The plane is located near Postville IA.
Some of the Spring Flingers will remember Keith Kerr.
He had a masive stroke in Feb and only lived a few days.
Now his family would like to sell his plane.
Q2 with revmaster. Was flying and I believe built in IA.
If interested let me know and I will get contact info to you.
They don’t want a fortune, just that it go to a good home and fly again.
Keith didn’t ever fly it, just worked toward that end. I don’t really know what he was working on, or changes he was making.
I hope someone will have interest, and I can help his family.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B
Luana, IA.
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Re: Q2 elevator deflection
Okee dokee Thanks Jay
Back to it.....
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:30 PM Jay Scheevel, < jay@...> wrote: Mine does that too. The sense of deflection on the elevators is the same as the aileron, so it tends to assist the roll, but it only really kicks in if you have a large elevator deflection, which I rarely do. I do not notice it in flight. Cheers, Jay From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 4:05 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 elevator deflection Hi Guys,
I'm working on my elevator controls right now. I have the 2 CS 13's running from the stick to allow for independant adjustment for both elevators.
I've noticed that when roll is input on the stick the elevator on the side I have pushed the stick towards deflects upwards a bit.
Is that a normal chracteristic?
Does this happen in flight or do the aerodynamic forces keep the deflection from happening?
Thanks.
Really enjoying the videos you are posting
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Listers,
I am sending an update to the info below. I got a text from the owner of the Q2 below.
He has found the log books and the AW cert, along with some plans, etc.
I had told him that without those documents, the plane was a lump of parts.
With the AW cert, it is magically an airplane.
He is asking for an offer. Maybe begging for an offer. They would like to see it go to a good home, and someone get it flying again.
Could be a great opportunity for the right individual!
If interested let me know. Questions, ASK.
Kevin
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Listers,
This evening I went to look at a Q2 that is for sale.
The plane is located near Postville IA.
Some of the Spring Flingers will remember Keith Kerr.
He had a masive stroke in Feb and only lived a few days.
Now his family would like to sell his plane.
Q2 with revmaster. Was flying and I believe built in IA.
If interested let me know and I will get contact info to you.
They don’t want a fortune, just that it go to a good home and fly again.
Keith didn’t ever fly it, just worked toward that end. I don’t really know what he was working on, or changes he was making.
I hope someone will have interest, and I can help his family.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B
Luana, IA.
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Re: Q2 elevator deflection
Jay Scheevel
Mine does that too. The sense of deflection on the elevators is the same as the aileron, so it tends to assist the roll, but it only really kicks in if you have a large elevator deflection, which I rarely do. I do not notice it in flight. Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 4:05 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 elevator deflection Hi Guys,
I'm working on my elevator controls right now. I have the 2 CS 13's running from the stick to allow for independant adjustment for both elevators.
I've noticed that when roll is input on the stick the elevator on the side I have pushed the stick towards deflects upwards a bit.
Is that a normal chracteristic?
Does this happen in flight or do the aerodynamic forces keep the deflection from happening?
Thanks.
Really enjoying the videos you are posting
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Hi Guys,
I'm working on my elevator controls right now. I have the 2 CS 13's running from the stick to allow for independant adjustment for both elevators.
I've noticed that when roll is input on the stick the elevator on the side I have pushed the stick towards deflects upwards a bit.
Is that a normal chracteristic?
Does this happen in flight or do the aerodynamic forces keep the deflection from happening?
Thanks.
Really enjoying the videos you are posting
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Corbin Geiser's Q-tour is now up on YouTube
Sam Hoskins
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Re: Flight Report - Cold!
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
My Q is still without a radio. So I just climbed into Nancy's Sundowner on this cold clear windless day. She flew us around Western NC and into SC. We shot a few T&G's in SC and watched the sun setting over the mountains as we glided back into Asheville. A nice 2 hrs of great fun.
I hope to get the Q's radio fixed this week and get my 2021 first flight in immediately thereafter.
Readying for Springfling!
-------- Original message -------- From: "Dave Dugas via groups.io" <davedq2@...> Date: 1/10/21 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Flight Report - Cold!
Nice report Mike. I also took a short flight today due to the warm weather....33 degrees F with sunny skies. Beautiful day here in New England.. Dave D On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:10 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote: Hi Everyone. Today started out cold and blue skies with a light NE wind. Perfect except for the cold. It's 15 below zero Floridian. That's 55F for you northerners. 70F is the coldest temp that a Floridian will go out wearing a short sleeve shirt. And if we have to, God forbid, find a long sleeve shirt or worst yet a jacket then your going to hear some complaining.
Anyway, back to the report. The mission today was to hard mount the Camera Gyro Stabilizer and see if I can make it work in the airplane. Link to G6So I used one of my stick on deals with some foam blocks to damp the vibration and stuck it to the top of the canopy. Weird, as I opened and closed the canopy it stayed level. Maybe this is going to work. It's starting to get a bit grey out there but maybe it's not too bad so let's go. I had the hair dryier on blowing hot air into the cowling and the engine is now showing 65F (or -5 Floridian).
Dragged her out and she fired up pretty well. I pull the carb heat (think that might be akin to a choke). Then I used the Hoskins 2 throttle pumps and pull thru 8 blades then jump in and start up. Had to pump one more time to keep her going. As I taxied to RWY36 I could tell the camera stabilizer wasn't going to work out well. The vibration from taxi had slowly made the thing hold the camera at a wonkie angle. I got warmed up (over 100F oil) and got cleared for take off. Headed north then west over Tarpon Springs. Got some video and will post it if anything turned out. But it's getting cloudier. No blue sky left.
I notice my carb temp is showing 22F. That's probably the coldest I've ever seen it. The outside air is about 50F, I'm only at 1500'. Then I start seeing scud clouds at my altitude. That means I'm right at the dew point. Don't like that much. I'd like to go back and land. So I tune in the tower and it sounds like they must be giving something away down there cause it's crazy. Trainers mixing it up with 737's. On second thought I'll just hang around the beach for a while. I'm not in any hurry so I'm at 50% power and my oil temp is showing 122F... I don't think I've ever seen that as low either. I have an oil cooler but I cover it for the winter.
After the tower calms down I call in 8 miles out and am cleared for RWY 4, wind calm. I like that. So I'm keeping the power up and decide I'm in gliding distance so I pull the carb heat full on. I watch the carb temp go from 22, 30, 32, 40, 45 and no hickups. I just left the heat on for the landing because I hadn't reduced power and was high and fast resulting in a mostly no-power glide. Oh and the wind, I'd say it was a 10K left crosswind judging by the windsock. Anyway, I cheated death again. I think I'll wait for the next 70+F sunny day...
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer
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Re: Flight Report - Cold!
Nice report Mike. I also took a short flight today due to the warm weather....33 degrees F with sunny skies. Beautiful day here in New England..
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:10 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote: Hi Everyone. Today started out cold and blue skies with a light NE wind. Perfect except for the cold. It's 15 below zero Floridian. That's 55F for you northerners. 70F is the coldest temp that a Floridian will go out wearing a short sleeve shirt. And if we have to, God forbid, find a long sleeve shirt or worst yet a jacket then your going to hear some complaining.
Anyway, back to the report. The mission today was to hard mount the Camera Gyro Stabilizer and see if I can make it work in the airplane. Link to G6So I used one of my stick on deals with some foam blocks to damp the vibration and stuck it to the top of the canopy. Weird, as I opened and closed the canopy it stayed level. Maybe this is going to work. It's starting to get a bit grey out there but maybe it's not too bad so let's go. I had the hair dryier on blowing hot air into the cowling and the engine is now showing 65F (or -5 Floridian).
Dragged her out and she fired up pretty well. I pull the carb heat (think that might be akin to a choke). Then I used the Hoskins 2 throttle pumps and pull thru 8 blades then jump in and start up. Had to pump one more time to keep her going. As I taxied to RWY36 I could tell the camera stabilizer wasn't going to work out well. The vibration from taxi had slowly made the thing hold the camera at a wonkie angle. I got warmed up (over 100F oil) and got cleared for take off. Headed north then west over Tarpon Springs. Got some video and will post it if anything turned out. But it's getting cloudier. No blue sky left.
I notice my carb temp is showing 22F. That's probably the coldest I've ever seen it. The outside air is about 50F, I'm only at 1500'. Then I start seeing scud clouds at my altitude. That means I'm right at the dew point. Don't like that much. I'd like to go back and land. So I tune in the tower and it sounds like they must be giving something away down there cause it's crazy. Trainers mixing it up with 737's. On second thought I'll just hang around the beach for a while. I'm not in any hurry so I'm at 50% power and my oil temp is showing 122F... I don't think I've ever seen that as low either. I have an oil cooler but I cover it for the winter.
After the tower calms down I call in 8 miles out and am cleared for RWY 4, wind calm. I like that. So I'm keeping the power up and decide I'm in gliding distance so I pull the carb heat full on. I watch the carb temp go from 22, 30, 32, 40, 45 and no hickups. I just left the heat on for the landing because I hadn't reduced power and was high and fast resulting in a mostly no-power glide. Oh and the wind, I'd say it was a 10K left crosswind judging by the windsock. Anyway, I cheated death again. I think I'll wait for the next 70+F sunny day...
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer
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Hi Everyone. Today started out cold and blue skies with a light NE wind. Perfect except for the cold. It's 15 below zero Floridian. That's 55F for you northerners. 70F is the coldest temp that a Floridian will go out wearing a short sleeve shirt. And if we have to, God forbid, find a long sleeve shirt or worst yet a jacket then your going to hear some complaining.
Anyway, back to the report. The mission today was to hard mount the Camera Gyro Stabilizer and see if I can make it work in the airplane. Link to G6So I used one of my stick on deals with some foam blocks to damp the vibration and stuck it to the top of the canopy. Weird, as I opened and closed the canopy it stayed level. Maybe this is going to work. It's starting to get a bit grey out there but maybe it's not too bad so let's go. I had the hair dryier on blowing hot air into the cowling and the engine is now showing 65F (or -5 Floridian).
Dragged her out and she fired up pretty well. I pull the carb heat (think that might be akin to a choke). Then I used the Hoskins 2 throttle pumps and pull thru 8 blades then jump in and start up. Had to pump one more time to keep her going. As I taxied to RWY36 I could tell the camera stabilizer wasn't going to work out well. The vibration from taxi had slowly made the thing hold the camera at a wonkie angle. I got warmed up (over 100F oil) and got cleared for take off. Headed north then west over Tarpon Springs. Got some video and will post it if anything turned out. But it's getting cloudier. No blue sky left.
I notice my carb temp is showing 22F. That's probably the coldest I've ever seen it. The outside air is about 50F, I'm only at 1500'. Then I start seeing scud clouds at my altitude. That means I'm right at the dew point. Don't like that much. I'd like to go back and land. So I tune in the tower and it sounds like they must be giving something away down there cause it's crazy. Trainers mixing it up with 737's. On second thought I'll just hang around the beach for a while. I'm not in any hurry so I'm at 50% power and my oil temp is showing 122F... I don't think I've ever seen that as low either. I have an oil cooler but I cover it for the winter.
After the tower calms down I call in 8 miles out and am cleared for RWY 4, wind calm. I like that. So I'm keeping the power up and decide I'm in gliding distance so I pull the carb heat full on. I watch the carb temp go from 22, 30, 32, 40, 45 and no hickups. I just left the heat on for the landing because I hadn't reduced power and was high and fast resulting in a mostly no-power glide. Oh and the wind, I'd say it was a 10K left crosswind judging by the windsock. Anyway, I cheated death again. I think I'll wait for the next 70+F sunny day...
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer
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Re: How to navigate our Q-List web site
Thanks for the
directions. Actually discovered I was logged in with the wrong
email/pw, thus nothing was open to me. All good now.
Terry
N41521
KSCK
On 1/8/2021 10:57 AM, Sam Hoskins
wrote:
Here's some how-to-do-it tips. This isn't everything.
Desktop computer: The main site is https://q-list.groups.io/g/main
Note that plain https://q-list.groups.io also
works. There is a whole bunch of menu stuff along the left portion
of the screen.
Smartphone: https://q-list.groups.io/g/main On
my Android phone, the menus are at the bottom of the screen. You
can tap on the three line "More" to access more menus. Don't know
what the Apple stuff looks like.
To start a new topic, click on Messages then New Topic. Please,
use this feature.
To look at photos, click on the Photos link. If you don't already
have a photo album, click on New Album and create one. We prefer
you use your real name, and your N Number is good as well. Try not
to create multiple albums for yourself. Rather, give the photos a
searchable name and that should help us find stuff.
Files: Generally use
for reference documents, reprints, packing lists, plans, PDF
files, etc. I know there a re a lot of photos there, but they are
probably better suited in the Photos section. I am slowly trying
to categorize some of these in to coherent folders, such as
Packing Lists and W&B information but it's a bit tedious, plus
I get kind of bored with it easily. Suggestions are welcome.
Databases: Just two
lists here; Completed
Aircraft and Valuable
Links.
Calendar: Right now, we're not using it.
Wiki: Someone want to write one?
Hope this helps.
Sam
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Communication ink and paper free
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I about forgot to mention Dwyer.
Thank you too sir.
I regard this discussion as one of the more important discussions to my and our personal safety that I can remember on this LIST.
Thanks again.
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Keith Welsh" <klw544@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Your Opinion Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 23:11:10 GMT
Regarding the discussion on monitoring carb temp.
I got out my Thorp's Lycoming 0-320 manual.
The manual has a full page on the use of carb heat but the part that got my attention was:
"WHEN ICE HAS BEEN MELTED FROM THE INDUCTION SYSTEM, HEAT SHOULD BE USED AS LONG AS KNOWN OR SUSPECTED ICING EXIST.
"ONLY THOSE AIRCRAFT EQUIPPED WITH A CARBURETOR AIR TEMPERATURE GAGE MAY PARTIAL HEAT BE USED TO KEEP THE MIXTURE TEMPERATURE ABOVE FREEZING POINT (32F)"
So without a temp gage we are best guessing until something noticeable occures.
Ordered one from Spruce a few minutes ago.
Thanks to all for the great lesson on carb ice and especially Mr. Allen, Thank you sir.
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From: "Jerry Marstall" <jnmarstall@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Your Opinion
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 08:19:42 -0500
GREAT article Mike. Thks. Jerry
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From: Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Date: 1/7/21 7:56 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Your Opinion
Mike.. what temp gauge are you using.. do you remember the supplier? My O-200 Cessna did not have a carb temp gauge but
to me that was one instrument it should have had added. I will be adding to both my Experimentals.
Had carb ice in my 1962 150 once. I made a habit of pulling the heat on every 5 or so minutes in cruise after then. Not a serious
problem but it did get my attention VFR over Eastern Oklahoma between cloud!
I have a carb temp gauge and have observed the temp at different conditions.
At idle the carb runs quite hot. Probably from engine hearing and no airflow around it.
At full power, same thing. More engine heat and more airflow.
At low power cruise it gets quite cold in the carb, 40F to 50F lower than the ambient air.
Strangely at no power glide the carb actually gets warmer. Probably the fuel flow is way down and not cooling the carb.
So my observation is that carb ice takes a really humid day or flying through visable moisture (a cloud) and it takes some time for the ice to build up at low power cruise. Here in Florida we are known for humidity and clouds. I seldom use carb heat. The way I use it now is after a long slow flight with the carb at or near freezing I get within glide distance of an airport and before reducing power I pull the carb heat. After the carb is up to 40 or more degrees F the carb heat gets returned to off and I throttle back for landing.
I'd encourage everyone running a carb to get a carb throttle plate temp sensor. It's eye opening. The MA3SPA carb has a pre drilled hole ready to install a sensor.
Mike
Did you note how long he stayed on the taxiway before departing......
Naah. Wasn't carb ice. Doesn't form at full power and doesn't form that fast.
Mike
Bad Carb heat again;
Bill
Uh-oh! If it’s a Certified engine in a certified airframe, it should be able to idle with carb heat without stopping. That’s just bad maintenance.
A Lycoming with the Marvel Schebler carb is straightforward to set up - 1930’s tech. :^)
Bill
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 17:06, Richard Thomson < richard@...> wrote:
It wasn't on my 0200, it was a club Cherokee with a Lycoming, but it taught me a lesson that sticks in the mind for the future reference. :-Br
Br
RichT
On 04/01/2021 10:47, Bill Allen wrote:
Hi Rich - what engine do you have? If it rich-cuts at idle, it should be possible to alter the setup so that it doesn’t....
Bill
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 11:35, Richard Thomson < richard@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill, that is some interesting information to consider.
The reason I select carb heat cold on late final is not damage to the engine but Rich Cut, and even then that is not a problem if you are landing, but on T&G's and on short fields can be a decider if you end up in the hedge ( or at Henstridge in the fence or girders), so I my norm is Carb Heat Cold on late final and a gentle cycle of the throttle to check its still there.
Br
RichT.
On 04/01/2021 08:13, Bill Allen wrote:
Hi Kieth,
You wrote: << I was hoping for some info regarding the use of Prist. >>r
Joel Ventura did quite a detailed article on Prist etc here:
Bill
Note: Prist wont stop carb ice, which comes out of the atmosphere. Prist deals with water already in suspension within the fuel.
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 03:58, Keith Welsh < klw544@...> wrote:
Hi again,
All your comments, experiences and knowledge no doubt turned out to be a real education. I don’t know about y’all but icing is normally not a discussion item. I’m glad I took the chance to post the article. Learned more than I thought I would. And thank you all for “Your Opinions”
I must admit I was hoping for some info regarding the use of Prist. I did actually use it in the Quickie for a time. Reckon it did ok..that was several years ago. My Q does not have carb heat nor does the carb have access to outside air, only hot air off the engine and is why the interest in the Teflon coating. The carb on the newer Onan sets higher so to accommodate a new heat box I would need to make a new cowl bump....like that was gonna happen! Not surprised no one had much to say about it.
Like Jay I’m sure ice will form Teflon or not but I’ve never used a Teflon coated anything that anything would stick to it. I once froze water in both a steel pan and a Teflon one. Guess which one the ice slid out of. The steel pan had ice remnants sticking to it after most was chipped out. Yeah, pretty unscientific but.... Think about your plastic ice server bucket when guest come over, the ice sticks to everything even fingers. At least modern technology has provided us with some options.
Thanks again,
Keith
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Regarding the discussion on monitoring carb temp.
I got out my Thorp's Lycoming 0-320 manual.
The manual has a full page on the use of carb heat but the part that got my attention was:
"WHEN ICE HAS BEEN MELTED FROM THE INDUCTION SYSTEM, HEAT SHOULD BE USED AS LONG AS KNOWN OR SUSPECTED ICING EXIST.
"ONLY THOSE AIRCRAFT EQUIPPED WITH A CARBURETOR AIR TEMPERATURE GAGE MAY PARTIAL HEAT BE USED TO KEEP THE MIXTURE TEMPERATURE ABOVE FREEZING POINT (32F)"
So without a temp gage we are best guessing until something noticeable occures.
Ordered one from Spruce a few minutes ago.
Thanks to all for the great lesson on carb ice and especially Mr. Allen, Thank you sir.
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jerry Marstall" <jnmarstall@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Your Opinion Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 08:19:42 -0500
GREAT article Mike. Thks. Jerry
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Date: 1/7/21 7:56 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Your Opinion
Mike.. what temp gauge are you using.. do you remember the supplier? My O-200 Cessna did not have a carb temp gauge but
to me that was one instrument it should have had added. I will be adding to both my Experimentals.
Had carb ice in my 1962 150 once. I made a habit of pulling the heat on every 5 or so minutes in cruise after then. Not a serious
problem but it did get my attention VFR over Eastern Oklahoma between cloud!
I have a carb temp gauge and have observed the temp at different conditions.
At idle the carb runs quite hot. Probably from engine hearing and no airflow around it.
At full power, same thing. More engine heat and more airflow.
At low power cruise it gets quite cold in the carb, 40F to 50F lower than the ambient air.
Strangely at no power glide the carb actually gets warmer. Probably the fuel flow is way down and not cooling the carb.
So my observation is that carb ice takes a really humid day or flying through visable moisture (a cloud) and it takes some time for the ice to build up at low power cruise. Here in Florida we are known for humidity and clouds. I seldom use carb heat. The way I use it now is after a long slow flight with the carb at or near freezing I get within glide distance of an airport and before reducing power I pull the carb heat. After the carb is up to 40 or more degrees F the carb heat gets returned to off and I throttle back for landing.
I'd encourage everyone running a carb to get a carb throttle plate temp sensor. It's eye opening. The MA3SPA carb has a pre drilled hole ready to install a sensor.
Mike
Did you note how long he stayed on the taxiway before departing......
Naah. Wasn't carb ice. Doesn't form at full power and doesn't form that fast.
Mike
Bad Carb heat again;
Bill
Uh-oh! If it’s a Certified engine in a certified airframe, it should be able to idle with carb heat without stopping. That’s just bad maintenance.
A Lycoming with the Marvel Schebler carb is straightforward to set up - 1930’s tech. :^)
Bill
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 17:06, Richard Thomson < richard@...> wrote:
It wasn't on my 0200, it was a club Cherokee with a Lycoming, but it taught me a lesson that sticks in the mind for the future reference. :-Br
Br
RichT
On 04/01/2021 10:47, Bill Allen wrote:
Hi Rich - what engine do you have? If it rich-cuts at idle, it should be possible to alter the setup so that it doesn’t....
Bill
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 11:35, Richard Thomson < richard@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill, that is some interesting information to consider.
The reason I select carb heat cold on late final is not damage to the engine but Rich Cut, and even then that is not a problem if you are landing, but on T&G's and on short fields can be a decider if you end up in the hedge ( or at Henstridge in the fence or girders), so I my norm is Carb Heat Cold on late final and a gentle cycle of the throttle to check its still there.
Br
RichT.
On 04/01/2021 08:13, Bill Allen wrote:
Hi Kieth,
You wrote: << I was hoping for some info regarding the use of Prist. >>r
Joel Ventura did quite a detailed article on Prist etc here:
Bill
Note: Prist wont stop carb ice, which comes out of the atmosphere. Prist deals with water already in suspension within the fuel.
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 at 03:58, Keith Welsh < klw544@...> wrote:
Hi again,
All your comments, experiences and knowledge no doubt turned out to be a real education. I don’t know about y’all but icing is normally not a discussion item. I’m glad I took the chance to post the article. Learned more than I thought I would. And thank you all for “Your Opinions”
I must admit I was hoping for some info regarding the use of Prist. I did actually use it in the Quickie for a time. Reckon it did ok..that was several years ago. My Q does not have carb heat nor does the carb have access to outside air, only hot air off the engine and is why the interest in the Teflon coating. The carb on the newer Onan sets higher so to accommodate a new heat box I would need to make a new cowl bump....like that was gonna happen! Not surprised no one had much to say about it.
Like Jay I’m sure ice will form Teflon or not but I’ve never used a Teflon coated anything that anything would stick to it. I once froze water in both a steel pan and a Teflon one. Guess which one the ice slid out of. The steel pan had ice remnants sticking to it after most was chipped out. Yeah, pretty unscientific but.... Think about your plastic ice server bucket when guest come over, the ice sticks to everything even fingers. At least modern technology has provided us with some options.
Thanks again,
Keith
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