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Re: progress

Jay Scheevel
 

Kevin is right. Almost all of my attachments/hard points are Click Bond
hardware. I do NOT recommend you buy their adhesive. It is very good stuff,
but it REALLY stinks for hours during and after the cure, and it has
virtually no shelf life. I quit using it, because I could not use it fast
enough before it dried up inside the packages and I had to clear out of the
shop if I bonded even one fastener. Instead I use the same surface prep, but
then use JB weld (4-minute type). It is the best. Only caveat on JB Weld is
that it does conduct electricity, so be sure not to bond exposed wires with
it. Don't ask me how I know.

I am sure Charlie Johnson will chime in. I learned about Click Bond from
him.

Cheers,
Jay

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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:10 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] progress

Chris,
Look into Click Bond. Neet stuff and made for attachment points in planes.
Kevin

On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

Sam---------- Saw the video you made and am following that method , sort
of. As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and
applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with
micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried chalk
for a chalk line? Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am an old
drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do final
patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a bit
this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for another
day so as not to clog the paper. I sand with 120 and 150. Works good in my
application.

I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my oil
cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of used them
thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header tank to allow
for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for
attaching wiring and cables.

Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere. Take
care--------------- Chris


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Re: progress

Kevin Boddicker
 

Chris,
Look into Click Bond. Neet stuff and made for attachment points in planes.
Kevin

On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

Sam---------- Saw the video you made and am following that method , sort of. As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried chalk for a chalk line? Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for another day so as not to clog the paper. I sand with 120 and 150. Works good in my application.

I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for attaching wiring and cables.

Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere. Take care--------------- Chris


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Re: progress

Chris Walterson
 

Sam----------  Saw the video you made and am following that method , sort of.  As a homebuilder we modify the heck out of everything.

  I did the micro like you did although I thinned it with alcohol and applied it much wetter than you. After sanding I am applying primer with micro with a roller similar to your epoxi wipe.

 I like the charcoal Mike is suggesting , but has anyone ever tried chalk for a chalk line?  Comes in blue and red and may do similar. I am an old drywaller and we would add some chalk to drywall mud when you do final patching so you can identify the spots you worked on.

 I sprayed the bottom lightly last night like Mike suggested. Sanded a bit this morning and it worked great although I need to let it dry for another day so as not to clog the paper.  I sand with 120 and 150.  Works good in my application.

 I installed some more T nuts this morning in the firewall to hold my oil cooler. Still can't get over how good an idea they are. Could of used them thirty years ago. Also installed a plywood piece on the header tank to allow for attaching a terminal block for various grounds.

 Still need to attach some points on the inner fuselage to allow for attaching wiring and cables.

 Trying to think of everything, but i am bound to slip somewhere.  Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Jerry Marstall
 

The fastest and best process. Jerry 


On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 AM Nathan Peck <nathanpeck@...> wrote:

Loved the method on two projects.  

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 6:33 AM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
I hope you guys have seen my epoxy wipe video. Probably too late in your stage, but it really works well and eliminates a lot of pain. Here it is. 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 9:24 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Mike Steinsland <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.
If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.
Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper


You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.
1 container will easily do your airplane

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Nathan Peck
 


Loved the method on two projects.  

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 6:33 AM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
I hope you guys have seen my epoxy wipe video. Probably too late in your stage, but it really works well and eliminates a lot of pain. Here it is. 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 9:24 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Mike Steinsland <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.
If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.
Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper


You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.
1 container will easily do your airplane

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Sam Hoskins
 

I hope you guys have seen my epoxy wipe video. Probably too late in your stage, but it really works well and eliminates a lot of pain. Here it is. 


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 9:24 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Mike Steinsland <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.
If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.
Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper


You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.
1 container will easily do your airplane

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Mike Steinsland
 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM Mike Steinsland <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.
If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.
Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper


You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.
1 container will easily do your airplane

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Mike Steinsland
 

I usually start with a coarser paper, 80 - 120 just to take the "crust" off then hit it with a guide coat again and progressively move up to a finer paper.
If you go through the primer STOP (unless it's your filler)

3M makes a charcoal guide coat that I have used for years.
Here's an amazon link but you should be able to get it through your local jobber a lot cheaper


You put it on with a sponge like applicator (it's part of the the lid top)  You don't have to put it on heavy, a very light coat will give you all the contrast you need.
1 container will easily do your airplane

Nice thing with this is you don't get stinky paint fumes and overspray

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:21 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block
along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the
light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller
. I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my
hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in
the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all
that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Chris Walterson
 

Good tip Mike.  I use a two foot board mostly and a sanding block along with a trouble light to look for lows and highs. I'll give the light misting of black paint a try.  I put the primmer on with a roller . I  have premarked  with a pencil any low spots I can feel with my hand. The prime I use I have mixed with micro so I lay it on thick in the low spots. Board sand it later. Your suggestion will make it all that much better.   Take care---------------  Chris


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Re: progress

Mike Steinsland
 

Hey Chris
Spray a very light coat of some black or contrasting color and I mean light where it is kinda speckaled
Later as your standing those little speckales will show you where all the low spots and scratches are as they will be the last to sand off

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Managed to get the airplane flipped and now have most of the word done
on the bottom. the root fairings are finished and the belly rad mounts
are installed [ T nuts]  Two coats of roll on primer and then let it
harden for a few days and do some sanding.

  having fun-------------  Chris in Canada



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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Jay Scheevel
 

Kind of puts icing conditions in a whole different context, Bruce 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

 

Oh no!  Kevin had the right frequency dialed in for our Field Of Dream last September!  I think he must be on something!  Maybe he can pull it off this year!  Besides "Honey Lamb likes the cooler temps in May.  She kept putting frozen bottles of H20 under her arms and down between her legs on the trip home last July.  By the time we landed at our 1st stop her ice was gone and she was starting to show some wear!  

Bruce and HL

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:01:12 -0600

Actually, this seems like normal Spring Fling weather - awful!!

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 08:51 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Yea yea.

I’ll ship you some snow!!!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

 

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

 

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22

 

On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.

I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.

Better days ahead!

 

Kevin

 

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

 

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

 

Ya gotta love the Q.

Jerry 

 

 


Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Bruce Crain
 

Oh no!  Kevin had the right frequency dialed in for our Field Of Dream last September!  I think he must be on something!  Maybe he can pull it off this year!  Besides "Honey Lamb likes the cooler temps in May.  She kept putting frozen bottles of H20 under her arms and down between her legs on the trip home last July.  By the time we landed at our 1st stop her ice was gone and she was starting to show some wear!  
Bruce and HL


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:01:12 -0600

Actually, this seems like normal Spring Fling weather - awful!!

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 08:51 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Yea yea.
I’ll ship you some snow!!!
 
Kevin

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F
 
I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22


On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.
I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.
Better days ahead!
 
Kevin

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 
 
53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.
 
Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry 
 



Re: progress

Bruce Crain
 

Smooth Chris!  Sweet inboard main gears!
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dorothea Keats" <dkeats@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] progress
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 13:21:28 -0500

 Managed to get the airplane flipped and now have most of the word done
on the bottom. the root fairings are finished and the belly rad mounts
are installed [ T nuts]  Two coats of roll on primer and then let it
harden for a few days and do some sanding.

 having fun-------------  Chris in Canada



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progress

Chris Walterson
 

Managed to get the airplane flipped and now have most of the word done on the bottom. the root fairings are finished and the belly rad mounts are installed [ T nuts]  Two coats of roll on primer and then let it harden for a few days and do some sanding.

 having fun-------------  Chris in Canada



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Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Paul Fisher
 

Actually, this seems like normal Spring Fling weather - awful!!


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 08:51 Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
Yea yea.
I’ll ship you some snow!!!

Kevin

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22


On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.
I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.
Better days ahead!

Kevin

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry 




Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

And shovel, I hope

-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Date: 1/16/21 9:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@q-list.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

Yea yea.
I’ll ship you some snow!!!

Kevin

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22


On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.
I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.
Better days ahead!

Kevin

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry 




Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Kevin Boddicker
 

Yea yea.
I’ll ship you some snow!!!

Kevin

On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22


On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.
I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.
Better days ahead!

Kevin

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry 




Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Jay Scheevel
 

So…no spring fling this week, Kevin?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 7:06 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

 

Good to hear Jerry.

I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.

Better days ahead!

 

Kevin



On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

 

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

 

Ya gotta love the Q.

Jerry 

 

 


Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

One Sky Dog
 

Forecast; sunny 73F high low 33F

I will be at the airport for pancake breakfast then working on the PA-22


On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Good to hear Jerry.
I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.
Better days ahead!

Kevin

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry 



Re: 1st 2021 flight today.

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Hi Kevin. Thx for the note.  You guys have had some tough wx,  so it appears from here. 

Fortunately, while my Q was down, Nancy would take me for a weekly ride.  Saves me a trip to the bar.

What's Jeff doing these days?

Wishing better wx for you.  J

-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Date: 1/16/21 9:07 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@q-list.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 1st 2021 flight today.

Good to hear Jerry.
I’m still weathered out. Between IFR, and snow on the runway, no dice.
Better days ahead!

Kevin

On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Finally got my radio back. Surprisingly it worked after installing. Got the Q airworthy at 2:30 and gave it a test flight. 

53-deg, great vis, calm winds.  Went out to a local practice area and knocked off the rust with some airwork.  Back to the pattern for some crash and dashes and on to the hanger to wipe off the big grin.

Ya gotta love the Q.
Jerry 


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