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Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Steinsland
 

It doesn't help that I used the wrong terminology...and probably still am... I meant ram air,  not vent.
I was thinking of pressurizing the system through the cap with a tube faired inside a blade like tab facing forward .

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:43 PM Mike Dwyer, <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I re read your email.  I also have a vent tube like that in my tank filter.  The deal is that without it, and you've got the filter neck full of fuel.  The incoming fuel pressurizes the tank until it finally burps and sprays fuel all over you.  With the vent, the air comes out as the fuel goes in.  I needed it because I have a water filter in 
the tank filler tube and I can easily fill the neck. 
Mike 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
Here's the set up on mine. Using a modified plumbing cap. There is a rubber seal at the top of the thread
The inside of the filler neck has a vent tube in it that will go to the rest of the system, I haven't figured out what the original builder was intending but I think I might modify the cap by installing a vented tab into the slot.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:33 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Agreed.  Honestly, I just want to get the conditional signed off before he has to leave town.  My understanding is the venting/cracking only affects the carb setups.  But I don't want first-hand knowledge of that being incorrect.  I suspect that I have been running with mine venting (cracked), without realizing it, for the last year.

Corbin 

On March 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Corbin, 

The bottle cap is a shitty design. Besides the cap cracking, the threads can also crack. With a carbureted engine, when that happens it introduces low pressure into your header tank and winds up having an engine that doesn't want to run too well and it first starts acting up at about three or four hundred feet after takeoff. Then you have to Mayday and see if you can limp around the pattern. If you're lucky you will have a passenger along who will later praise your excellent skills and nerves of steel. 

I don't know what happens with a fuel injection engine but if it was me, I wouldn't want to investigate too far. There are a lot of different ways the guys have done fuel caps, not just the one that I use, but mine is pretty simple and you can get parts at any hardware store. There are more elegant methods out there, such as with the Vai-Ez guys may use.

Take care.

Sam 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

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Mike Steinsland


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Dwyer
 

I re read your email.  I also have a vent tube like that in my tank filter.  The deal is that without it, and you've got the filter neck full of fuel.  The incoming fuel pressurizes the tank until it finally burps and sprays fuel all over you.  With the vent, the air comes out as the fuel goes in.  I needed it because I have a water filter in 
the tank filler tube and I can easily fill the neck. 
Mike 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
Here's the set up on mine. Using a modified plumbing cap. There is a rubber seal at the top of the thread
The inside of the filler neck has a vent tube in it that will go to the rest of the system, I haven't figured out what the original builder was intending but I think I might modify the cap by installing a vented tab into the slot.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:33 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Agreed.  Honestly, I just want to get the conditional signed off before he has to leave town.  My understanding is the venting/cracking only affects the carb setups.  But I don't want first-hand knowledge of that being incorrect.  I suspect that I have been running with mine venting (cracked), without realizing it, for the last year.

Corbin 

On March 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Corbin, 

The bottle cap is a shitty design. Besides the cap cracking, the threads can also crack. With a carbureted engine, when that happens it introduces low pressure into your header tank and winds up having an engine that doesn't want to run too well and it first starts acting up at about three or four hundred feet after takeoff. Then you have to Mayday and see if you can limp around the pattern. If you're lucky you will have a passenger along who will later praise your excellent skills and nerves of steel. 

I don't know what happens with a fuel injection engine but if it was me, I wouldn't want to investigate too far. There are a lot of different ways the guys have done fuel caps, not just the one that I use, but mine is pretty simple and you can get parts at any hardware store. There are more elegant methods out there, such as with the Vai-Ez guys may use.

Take care.

Sam 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

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Corbin 
N33QR




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Corbin 
N121CG



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Mike Steinsland


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Dwyer
 

Vented tab?  You don't want a vent there.
Better carry a spare.  
Fly Safe,
Mike N3QP Q200

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 10:19 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
Here's the set up on mine. Using a modified plumbing cap. There is a rubber seal at the top of the thread
The inside of the filler neck has a vent tube in it that will go to the rest of the system, I haven't figured out what the original builder was intending but I think I might modify the cap by installing a vented tab into the slot.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:33 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Agreed.  Honestly, I just want to get the conditional signed off before he has to leave town.  My understanding is the venting/cracking only affects the carb setups.  But I don't want first-hand knowledge of that being incorrect.  I suspect that I have been running with mine venting (cracked), without realizing it, for the last year.

Corbin 

On March 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Corbin, 

The bottle cap is a shitty design. Besides the cap cracking, the threads can also crack. With a carbureted engine, when that happens it introduces low pressure into your header tank and winds up having an engine that doesn't want to run too well and it first starts acting up at about three or four hundred feet after takeoff. Then you have to Mayday and see if you can limp around the pattern. If you're lucky you will have a passenger along who will later praise your excellent skills and nerves of steel. 

I don't know what happens with a fuel injection engine but if it was me, I wouldn't want to investigate too far. There are a lot of different ways the guys have done fuel caps, not just the one that I use, but mine is pretty simple and you can get parts at any hardware store. There are more elegant methods out there, such as with the Vai-Ez guys may use.

Take care.

Sam 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

--

Corbin 
N33QR




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Corbin 
N121CG



--
 
Mike Steinsland


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Steinsland
 

Here's the set up on mine. Using a modified plumbing cap. There is a rubber seal at the top of the thread
The inside of the filler neck has a vent tube in it that will go to the rest of the system, I haven't figured out what the original builder was intending but I think I might modify the cap by installing a vented tab into the slot.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:33 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Agreed.  Honestly, I just want to get the conditional signed off before he has to leave town.  My understanding is the venting/cracking only affects the carb setups.  But I don't want first-hand knowledge of that being incorrect.  I suspect that I have been running with mine venting (cracked), without realizing it, for the last year.

Corbin 

On March 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Corbin, 

The bottle cap is a shitty design. Besides the cap cracking, the threads can also crack. With a carbureted engine, when that happens it introduces low pressure into your header tank and winds up having an engine that doesn't want to run too well and it first starts acting up at about three or four hundred feet after takeoff. Then you have to Mayday and see if you can limp around the pattern. If you're lucky you will have a passenger along who will later praise your excellent skills and nerves of steel. 

I don't know what happens with a fuel injection engine but if it was me, I wouldn't want to investigate too far. There are a lot of different ways the guys have done fuel caps, not just the one that I use, but mine is pretty simple and you can get parts at any hardware store. There are more elegant methods out there, such as with the Vai-Ez guys may use.

Take care.

Sam 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

--

Corbin 
N33QR




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Corbin 
N121CG



--
 
Mike Steinsland


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

Agreed.  Honestly, I just want to get the conditional signed off before he has to leave town.  My understanding is the venting/cracking only affects the carb setups.  But I don't want first-hand knowledge of that being incorrect.  I suspect that I have been running with mine venting (cracked), without realizing it, for the last year.

Corbin 

On March 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Corbin, 

The bottle cap is a shitty design. Besides the cap cracking, the threads can also crack. With a carbureted engine, when that happens it introduces low pressure into your header tank and winds up having an engine that doesn't want to run too well and it first starts acting up at about three or four hundred feet after takeoff. Then you have to Mayday and see if you can limp around the pattern. If you're lucky you will have a passenger along who will later praise your excellent skills and nerves of steel. 

I don't know what happens with a fuel injection engine but if it was me, I wouldn't want to investigate too far. There are a lot of different ways the guys have done fuel caps, not just the one that I use, but mine is pretty simple and you can get parts at any hardware store. There are more elegant methods out there, such as with the Vai-Ez guys may use.

Take care.

Sam 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

--

Corbin 
N33QR




--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Sam Hoskins
 

Corbin, 

The bottle cap is a shitty design. Besides the cap cracking, the threads can also crack. With a carbureted engine, when that happens it introduces low pressure into your header tank and winds up having an engine that doesn't want to run too well and it first starts acting up at about three or four hundred feet after takeoff. Then you have to Mayday and see if you can limp around the pattern. If you're lucky you will have a passenger along who will later praise your excellent skills and nerves of steel. 

I don't know what happens with a fuel injection engine but if it was me, I wouldn't want to investigate too far. There are a lot of different ways the guys have done fuel caps, not just the one that I use, but mine is pretty simple and you can get parts at any hardware store. There are more elegant methods out there, such as with the Vai-Ez guys may use.

Take care.

Sam 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

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Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 
Edited

Must be something in the name "Mike".  Between the two of you and me doing some keyword searches using "food container quart food" I think I found one that will fit!  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V6LV5VN?psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp
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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Dwyer
 

The original container was about a quart size.  It came with the kit 35 years ago.

Oh, by the way, with my cap when it was cracked, I lost power at full throttle takeoff.  When I throttled back to 75% it ran great.  Incase that ever happens to you.  If the fuel cap is loose or cracked then I don't get enough fuel flow at full power.  Your results may be different.  I'm running the 1/4" id fuel lines per plans.  Some guys have switched to 3/8" id and I suspect the problem will not occur with the larger lines.  I'm not sure if there is a partial vacuum at the fuel cap or if the cap is venting the pressure from the ram air fuel vent.

Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 4:55 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:
Looks like one off a 50 Gal food grade barrel

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 4:07 PM Mike Dwyer, <q200pilot@...> wrote:
My cap like this is tan/brown.  I cracked one by over tightening it.  Take the old cap and go see what it fits!
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 3:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

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Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

You read my mind.  I have been walking around the hardware store with mine in hand.  I am leaning towards 3D printing a couple of replacements.
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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Steinsland
 

Looks like one off a 50 Gal food grade barrel


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 4:07 PM Mike Dwyer, <q200pilot@...> wrote:
My cap like this is tan/brown.  I cracked one by over tightening it.  Take the old cap and go see what it fits!
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 3:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Mike Dwyer
 

My cap like this is tan/brown.  I cracked one by over tightening it.  Take the old cap and go see what it fits!
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 3:17 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

--

Corbin 
N33QR


Non-vented Fuel Cap Replacement

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I haven't made Sam's modification using the PVC fitting yet so I am curious if anyone knows the source of this fuel cap that I have.  My A&P found a crack in it during my conditional this week (ready to fly now).

--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Flight Report

Richard Thomson
 

     Love the way you tell your stories Mike, I wonder where that seagull is now ?

    Would have made a mess if its TCAS wasn't working !! :-0

    Glad your battery proved to be ok.

    Rich T.

On 14/03/2021 00:32, Jerry Marstall wrote:

Thks Mike 
Always enjoy your reports. Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Date: 3/13/21 5:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report

Beautiful day here in west central Florida today 75F 45% humidity.  Got down to the airport and checked the Q200 over.  Got in and hit the starter... but the propeller only turned slowly.  No where near fast enough to start.  Shoot, my Odyssey PC925 battery is 7 years old, it's probably dead.  I keep an AGM type battery charger on it so I reset it and the battery is now showing 15 volts.  That is a characteristic of a bad battery that has too much internal resistance.  Oh well, $200 later I got a new battery.  I pull off the tail cone where the battery resides and pull out the battery.  Whenever you do work at the hangar everyone comes over to watch.  My buddy Sam mentions that he has a battery tester.  He also says he replaced his Odyssey PC925 a couple years ago after he had it for 15 years in his Velocity.  Cool, let's try the battery tester.  Old battery Good.  What?  New battery Good (expected that).  Oh, no I got a different issue.  Battery connections look good.  30 Years ago I had built the battery cables with a disconnectable joint so you could pull the rear shell off.  Sure enough this connection looked good but wasn't.  My smart charger had been acting strangely lately.  That should have been a sign.  Anyway fixed the battery connection and buttoned her up.  

Take off on RWY 36, no wind.  Nice.  Ran great, cool temps.  Headed North and climbed to 5500' to do the Ham radio thing.  People have fun talking to airplanes so I did that for a while.  Starting to be a bit of haze in the air but not too bad.  It was 10% humidity up there!  That's crazy low.  Hey, let's buzz by Clearwater Beach and see what the Spring Breakers are up to.  Got a little low as I went by.  FlightAware kinda shows me at 0 but that is only approximate!  
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Have you ever seen a seagull go by at 175 mph?  It's impressive.

Anyway there were more boats out today then on a summer day.  The beaches with parking like Clearwater were packed.  So after passing the interesting beaches I pulled up to about 1600' to head back to the airport.  They gave me runway 4 with a perfect 11K from the left crosswind and it was gusty.  Eh, got to keep up the crosswind skills.  Crabbed to the right with the left wind down and landed with the left wheel first.  Plunk and it's down.  Not bad.  

Here are a couple of North bound pictures.   

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Oh, and I returned the battery to the store.  So it was a cheap fix afterall!

Fly Safe (even tho gas is up $0.80 a gallon - thanks Biden).

Mike Dwyer
Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Wing load testing and max weight

Frankenbird Vern
 

 As promised.. I had an hour or so (late at night of course) to read some of the the up-loads on the Weishaar-Doyle LS-1 Canard method and noted the same opinion about the tube spar being....unusual.... except lots of them in front of the Post Offices in America. The tapered carbon fiber spar might even be Oklahoma F5 proof!!!  

  You guys ever watch Burt Rutans series on You Tube about his time with Jim Bede? Some of his storyline is really funny about what happened in Newton (Kansas that is) 
 I mention this because of the spar design used in the BD5, and how Rutan had a working business plan for Mohave after the events at Bede Aircraft. 

 I wonder if Burt will ever talk about the R&D group meeting we had with all the big whigs present at Beech about the Starship and why it was destined to fall on it's ass in the market mostly BECAUSE of Olive Ann?  Well.. that and the local Fed Office and some of the hard headed Beech design goons. Roncz was there..Dick..Jeanna..  "Nope..we ain't gonna put a jet on Beech field while I am alive!.. Ayrplanz is supposed to have Propellerz!! Need sweepy canards and FLAPZ too!"

 The 85% POC didn't have any of that garbage and it flew circles around anything we'd ever seen before. All it was missing were a pair of GE turbines..   

 Sorry guys.. I'm an old fart now and cranky sometimes about how (and why) Wichita lost everything. And as a Pilot I am confessing my love affair with the aircraft ran deep. Must have been the same Preston Tucker felt like about the Tucker 48..which near about the number were supposedly built as Starships.     

 So if there were a partial kit such as my situation and that person decided to build using the I-beam (or a variation) we would not
be able to legally name it a Quickie? What has transpired with the QAC rights now? Dragonfly has become a Night Gallery topic..who in South Africa is even around to buy back from if they were willing to sell?

Vern


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 7:16 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Wing load testing and max weight
 
Jay,

Speaking of “I” beams. We designed one for our engineering class that we could build using simple tooling. We used out of date pre-preg that could not be used on weapon systems. This could be done with “OOA” out of autoclave pre-Impregnated materials that are available today. It is very similar to how the Voyager spars were manufactured in Ed’s garage.



3” X 3” X 36” carbon/ epoxy “I” beam Manufactured for 4 point bending load test.



We actually went beyond analytics in refining the beam and had to take a lot of material out in later beams to avoid destroying the test fixture. In my opinion an I-beam is a better option than a circular spar as a load carrying element. Shear loads are 1/10 th of cap loads.

One Sky Dog


On Feb 16, 2021, at 5:26 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Jay,

My main point I was trying to make is the spar can take more deflection than the glass shell without reaching failure. This puts the first failure as compressive buckling of the top glass skin. The energy released from the skin buckle and transfer of full load to to the spar may or may not fail the spar. Bear in mind this only occurs when you hit the ground too hard or go on off runway excursions.

I am only capable of doing a crude analysis but it confirmed to me why the Q skin bubble or dent happens. Slapping more glass on the problem area may just move the problem to somewhere else.

High today 54 F expected 70 F by weekend. Stay warm out there!

One Sky Dog




On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Not to put words in Charlie’s mouth, but I think I heard him say (when he was showing me a structural simulation of the LS1 canard on his computer) that he felt the weak link in the chain was the skin/foam sandwich forward of the tube spar and inboard but not too far from the fuselage. That seems to be the place where the delamination has happened on numerous aircraft, even where the canard did not break.

 

The official QAC line was that the tubular spar was required because of the thin profile of the LS1 would not allow enough flexural strength if it that shape of airfoil was laid up conventionally. I think a properly engineered I-beam spar (or two) would probably fill the bill, but no one has tested that idea to my knowledge. QAC probably looked a the tube spar as a way of ensuring that customers did not drift towards hand building Q200’s without buying kit components from them. I would not write that motivation off entirely.

 

So many more options exist now.  I think anything requiring an autoclave should be ruled out for the general public, as it is not a tool that is available to most. The best bet would be to find an enthusiastic, enterprising, young graduate student, who is good with composites analysis and solid works, and ask them to do some modeling of proven hand laid up carbon fiber spar configurations subjected to end loading (like the standard Q and Dfly configuration), combined with line loading that would simulate the fuselage shell wall loads. If it was proven by computer modeling, then you would only have to build one canard design for testing to failure.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Wing load testing and max weight

 

 I couldn't recall if it was the Wing or Canard..thank you for the clarification, Jay.  Here is what Charlie and I both are

concerned about.. the Canard, especially in the MKI config, takes a beating in this design. Neither D-fly or Q2 have 

had the Canard tested (that we know of) and I cannot be certain of the load limits in my own aircraft. 

 

 So the airplane geek I was trained to be finds this situation unacceptable. Too many years in the factories worrying 

about "what if's!"   I am concerned we have had structural fails..thank goodness not to the point of 

augering in from 10,000 feet. There are indications of upper skin delam from the canard core..and crush of the core

leading to compression fails right where we expect these conditions to happen. The bond between the core and upper 

glass layup degrades over time...so the margin in safety to peak load will be reduced.

 

 So I have the question here.. I can build a fixture that can easily use my 1/2 ton Dodge truck to provide a stabilized test

fixture (the data plate on the truck indicates the mass we have to work with, also not a problem having certificated scales

weigh the vehicle).  How much in todays materials would a canard cost to build? No need to add finishes because these 

are not going flying..these are going to test to fail (if possible). I prefer testing the Dragonfly Canard for the reasons 

explained before. The M.E. within wants to test what is more likely of a successful build by the homebuilder in her/his

own Shop.  

 

We MIGHT be able to effectively tool for Q2 Spars and test those also. We would need to know the exact ply schedule,

finish, and resin used at QAC. What finish dry carbon fiber also. What tapes used?  A far superior part would be possible 

with pre-preg ribbon and the correct mandrel...but then the problem of autoclave and accurate cure arises. It might be

possible to correctly pre-preg fab the tapered tube Spars using internal inflated balloon methods and then cure the entire 

tool with the layup and mandrels in a controlled oven.

 

Village Idiot Vern        

     

 

 



 

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Re: Flight Report

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Thks Mike 
Always enjoy your reports. Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Date: 3/13/21 5:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report

Beautiful day here in west central Florida today 75F 45% humidity.  Got down to the airport and checked the Q200 over.  Got in and hit the starter... but the propeller only turned slowly.  No where near fast enough to start.  Shoot, my Odyssey PC925 battery is 7 years old, it's probably dead.  I keep an AGM type battery charger on it so I reset it and the battery is now showing 15 volts.  That is a characteristic of a bad battery that has too much internal resistance.  Oh well, $200 later I got a new battery.  I pull off the tail cone where the battery resides and pull out the battery.  Whenever you do work at the hangar everyone comes over to watch.  My buddy Sam mentions that he has a battery tester.  He also says he replaced his Odyssey PC925 a couple years ago after he had it for 15 years in his Velocity.  Cool, let's try the battery tester.  Old battery Good.  What?  New battery Good (expected that).  Oh, no I got a different issue.  Battery connections look good.  30 Years ago I had built the battery cables with a disconnectable joint so you could pull the rear shell off.  Sure enough this connection looked good but wasn't.  My smart charger had been acting strangely lately.  That should have been a sign.  Anyway fixed the battery connection and buttoned her up.  

Take off on RWY 36, no wind.  Nice.  Ran great, cool temps.  Headed North and climbed to 5500' to do the Ham radio thing.  People have fun talking to airplanes so I did that for a while.  Starting to be a bit of haze in the air but not too bad.  It was 10% humidity up there!  That's crazy low.  Hey, let's buzz by Clearwater Beach and see what the Spring Breakers are up to.  Got a little low as I went by.  FlightAware kinda shows me at 0 but that is only approximate!  
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Have you ever seen a seagull go by at 175 mph?  It's impressive.

Anyway there were more boats out today then on a summer day.  The beaches with parking like Clearwater were packed.  So after passing the interesting beaches I pulled up to about 1600' to head back to the airport.  They gave me runway 4 with a perfect 11K from the left crosswind and it was gusty.  Eh, got to keep up the crosswind skills.  Crabbed to the right with the left wind down and landed with the left wheel first.  Plunk and it's down.  Not bad.  

Here are a couple of North bound pictures.   

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IMG_20210313_141255MP.jpg
Oh, and I returned the battery to the store.  So it was a cheap fix afterall!

Fly Safe (even tho gas is up $0.80 a gallon - thanks Biden).

Mike Dwyer
Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Flight Report

Mike Dwyer
 

Beautiful day here in west central Florida today 75F 45% humidity.  Got down to the airport and checked the Q200 over.  Got in and hit the starter... but the propeller only turned slowly.  No where near fast enough to start.  Shoot, my Odyssey PC925 battery is 7 years old, it's probably dead.  I keep an AGM type battery charger on it so I reset it and the battery is now showing 15 volts.  That is a characteristic of a bad battery that has too much internal resistance.  Oh well, $200 later I got a new battery.  I pull off the tail cone where the battery resides and pull out the battery.  Whenever you do work at the hangar everyone comes over to watch.  My buddy Sam mentions that he has a battery tester.  He also says he replaced his Odyssey PC925 a couple years ago after he had it for 15 years in his Velocity.  Cool, let's try the battery tester.  Old battery Good.  What?  New battery Good (expected that).  Oh, no I got a different issue.  Battery connections look good.  30 Years ago I had built the battery cables with a disconnectable joint so you could pull the rear shell off.  Sure enough this connection looked good but wasn't.  My smart charger had been acting strangely lately.  That should have been a sign.  Anyway fixed the battery connection and buttoned her up.  

Take off on RWY 36, no wind.  Nice.  Ran great, cool temps.  Headed North and climbed to 5500' to do the Ham radio thing.  People have fun talking to airplanes so I did that for a while.  Starting to be a bit of haze in the air but not too bad.  It was 10% humidity up there!  That's crazy low.  Hey, let's buzz by Clearwater Beach and see what the Spring Breakers are up to.  Got a little low as I went by.  FlightAware kinda shows me at 0 but that is only approximate!  
image.png
Have you ever seen a seagull go by at 175 mph?  It's impressive.

Anyway there were more boats out today then on a summer day.  The beaches with parking like Clearwater were packed.  So after passing the interesting beaches I pulled up to about 1600' to head back to the airport.  They gave me runway 4 with a perfect 11K from the left crosswind and it was gusty.  Eh, got to keep up the crosswind skills.  Crabbed to the right with the left wind down and landed with the left wheel first.  Plunk and it's down.  Not bad.  

Here are a couple of North bound pictures.   

IMG_20210313_141259MP.jpg
IMG_20210313_141255MP.jpg
Oh, and I returned the battery to the store.  So it was a cheap fix afterall!

Fly Safe (even tho gas is up $0.80 a gallon - thanks Biden).

Mike Dwyer
Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Reminder Saturday! Q-Tour featuring Jim Patillo and his EAA Lindy Award winning Q-200. NOTE Special time - 11:00 am, Central Time

Bruce Crain
 

We had a weddin’.  I am the entertainment!  Big debut!  Whoop whoop!
Sorry I wasn’t there but my “spousal unit” is a bit narrow about these kind of things.
Bruce


On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


I am going to have to watch the recorded version.  Sorry to miss this one live.  I have had the calendar blocked all week but now can't get out of something that came up.

Corbin 

On March 11, 2021 at 7:38 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Join Jim, from Livermore, CA as he shows us his beautiful Q-200. To join the meeting, click on the link at the end of this message. 

Due to a scheduling conflict we will start this meeting at 11:00 a.m. Central Time, 17:00 GMT.  Sorry about that, but it can't be helped. Please don't log in until 11:00 AM, Central Time. 

April's Q-Tour will feature Jay Scheevel and his highly modified Jabiru 3300A  powered Tri-Q.

Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: Jim Patillo Q-Tour  Zoom Meeting
Time: Mar 13, 2021 11:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
 
Meeting ID: 738 0888 5544
Passcode: aWH2bF

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Corbin 
N33QR



Re: Reminder Saturday! Q-Tour featuring Jim Patillo and his EAA Lindy Award winning Q-200. NOTE Special time - 11:00 am, Central Time

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I am going to have to watch the recorded version.  Sorry to miss this one live.  I have had the calendar blocked all week but now can't get out of something that came up.

Corbin 

On March 11, 2021 at 7:38 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Join Jim, from Livermore, CA as he shows us his beautiful Q-200. To join the meeting, click on the link at the end of this message. 

Due to a scheduling conflict we will start this meeting at 11:00 a.m. Central Time, 17:00 GMT.  Sorry about that, but it can't be helped. Please don't log in until 11:00 AM, Central Time. 

April's Q-Tour will feature Jay Scheevel and his highly modified Jabiru 3300A  powered Tri-Q.

Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: Jim Patillo Q-Tour  Zoom Meeting
Time: Mar 13, 2021 11:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
 
Meeting ID: 738 0888 5544
Passcode: aWH2bF

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Corbin 
N33QR


Reminder Saturday! Q-Tour featuring Jim Patillo and his EAA Lindy Award winning Q-200. NOTE Special time - 11:00 am, Central Time

Sam Hoskins
 

Join Jim, from Livermore, CA as he shows us his beautiful Q-200. To join the meeting, click on the link at the end of this message. 

Due to a scheduling conflict we will start this meeting at 11:00 a.m. Central Time, 17:00 GMT.  Sorry about that, but it can't be helped. Please don't log in until 11:00 AM, Central Time. 

April's Q-Tour will feature Jay Scheevel and his highly modified Jabiru 3300A  powered Tri-Q.

Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: Jim Patillo Q-Tour  Zoom Meeting
Time: Mar 13, 2021 11:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/73808885544?pwd=eHU1NzU3UXZFWUJFZ0pwUmhTa0lFQT09
 
Meeting ID: 738 0888 5544
Passcode: aWH2bF


Re: Looking for tail section

Dustin Graber
 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 3:57:17 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Looking for tail section
 
Doh! Sorry I was thinking verticals tail!
Bruce


On Mar 11, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Larry Severson <larry2@...> wrote:



Yes. It is at Chino airport.

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Milke
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:33 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Looking for tail section

 

Does anyone have a tail section for sale? I have a friend that just bought a Q2 with a damaged tail section. I don’t much more info about what exactly he needs, but if anyone knows of something for sale email me and I can put you in touch with the buyer.

 

Thanks,

Shaun

 



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I've got an extra tail cone that I don't need, but the cockpit needs to go with it.

I'm in Virgina.

Dustin Graber

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