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Re: Spring Fling

Bruce Crain
 

We will be there! And we stayed in the Super 8 Motel. It was close to the airport. We are all giddy wind excitement and jumpin’ on da bed! We were on the 2nd floor of the Super 8 so we didn’t jump on the bed. It was rainin and we didn’t want ta got kicked out.
Bruce
On May 1, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@neitel.net> wrote:

OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 548 hrs
Luana, IA.









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Spring Fling

Kevin Boddicker
 

OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 548 hrs
Luana, IA.


Re: progress

Mike Steinsland
 

One other trick
I often use an old windshield wiper to squeegee the wet sanding residue off as I go along. Just be mindful of the metal end...scratchy scratchy...
 Dont let it dry where it runs off ... it's a bitch to clean off once it dries and fully cures.

On Wed., Apr. 28, 2021, 9:25 p.m. Mike Steinsland, <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
Congrats Chris
That's a major step completed!
If you are doing any wet sanding before you polish get some 2 or 3000 grit 3M Trizac or something similar from Sia ( cheaper). Put it on a 6" D A sander and go over all you sanded areas with it. I use a spray bottle to mist on water to keep it wet.

If you take your time it will easily cut 2/3 off your polishing time

Do it as soon as possible after the paint has cured for 24 hrs. That way the paint is softer and easier to work.

I'm excited for you.
Lucky dawg

Mike S

On Wed., Apr. 28, 2021, 8:22 p.m. Bruce Crain, <jcrain2@...> wrote:
It looks delicious Chris!  Yep Jay and I are a bit “warshed out”.  I am afraid I will mess it up.  Might be nice to put a couple of pin stripes on ‘er!
Bruce
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
>
> Very nice, Chris, but you stole my color scheme!  Actually, I stole mine from Bruce Crain, so in an indirect way, we both lifted that fine artwork from Bruce!   Keep up the good work!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
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>  As Neil said " one small step for a man, a giant leap for me". I finally get to put things together and leave them.
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> To paint the entire airplane it took 1 1/2 gallons of epoxi primer and 1
> 1/2 gallons of single stage urethane.
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>  Good news is I don't need  a razor blade to cut any runs, but I will need to be doing some buffing.
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>  Should look real good from circuit height.  Still having
> fun------------  Chris
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Re: progress

Mike Steinsland
 

Congrats Chris
That's a major step completed!
If you are doing any wet sanding before you polish get some 2 or 3000 grit 3M Trizac or something similar from Sia ( cheaper). Put it on a 6" D A sander and go over all you sanded areas with it. I use a spray bottle to mist on water to keep it wet.

If you take your time it will easily cut 2/3 off your polishing time

Do it as soon as possible after the paint has cured for 24 hrs. That way the paint is softer and easier to work.

I'm excited for you.
Lucky dawg

Mike S

On Wed., Apr. 28, 2021, 8:22 p.m. Bruce Crain, <jcrain2@...> wrote:
It looks delicious Chris!  Yep Jay and I are a bit “warshed out”.  I am afraid I will mess it up.  Might be nice to put a couple of pin stripes on ‘er!
Bruce
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
>
> Very nice, Chris, but you stole my color scheme!  Actually, I stole mine from Bruce Crain, so in an indirect way, we both lifted that fine artwork from Bruce!   Keep up the good work!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
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>
>  Good news is I don't need  a razor blade to cut any runs, but I will need to be doing some buffing.
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Re: GU canard for sale?

smeshno1@...
 

Geek alert!  Not a plug intended, but today I received the June 2021 issue of Kitplanes and on page 32 is an interesting composites testing article that has pertinent info for our projects on foam types and reveals test results. The data at this point in development is realistic in stating the vast numbers of combinations of fabric and resins + methodology still forces even large corporations to test, including lightening strike, birdstrike, and load margins. Of the foams tested Figure 2 on page 36 indicates that Rohacell performed best. As Charlie has noted, the failures to be concerned with are failure in shear of lighter density foams prior to failure of laminates applied (in the test case, carbon fiber). The author did state as far as fabric types pre-pregs tested the highest, but again, strict controls and tooling beyond a typical home shop environment are required to build honeycomb/pre-preg airworthy structures. The tests are intended for a new design aircraft...using I presume wet layup vacuum, perhaps infusion. Tests concluded Hexel 282/284 plain weave carbon fiber proved to be superior to spread tow and just below pre preg. More info on resin type and method of wetting the layup should be in future issues

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------ Original message------
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Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 11:09 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io;
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Subject:Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

The best protection from lightning strikes is to avoid thunderstorms. But if you must fly near them here are the latest mitigation schemes.

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/lightning-strike-protection-strategies-for-composite-aircraft 


That thin layer of glass will not insulate the carbon. I have never worried about the carbon bits and spar caps in my Dragonfly. I fly in less than perfect weather but when lightning storms are forecast I would rather be on the ground.

One Sky Dog



On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 3:34 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

    Jay,

    The modern carbon airliners use glass pads as insulators for lightning strike, so as the carbon spar is wrapped in glass, it should be insulated from lightning stike I would have thought.

    Just my 2 new pence worth, (which is also a good coin for tap testing). 

    Br

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 01:40, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Any Q is faster if it is lighter and more power is added. Those factors are probably more important than the airfoil.  

 

VG’s on the GU solve the rain/contamination problem, but are a pain when trying to keep the canard clean.

 

LS-1’s break too, but just outboard of the fuselage instead of farther out on the wing.

 

There are several GU’s flying with O-200’s on them, so I suspect the QAC change from GU to LS1 was driven more by contamination problems than by strength issues (despite what was said in the QAC newsletters).

 

I am not sure that the speed of GU vs LS1 has ever been fully resolved, but there are a lot of fast GU Q’s that have been built with a variety of engines (Corbin’s is a very fast Q200 and has a GU canard. Paul Spackman’s Q2 with the GU and Jabiru engine is/was also very fast). More LS1’s have been built because of supply, so the sample size is larger and probably more is known about them because of that.

 

……The GU will not explode if hit by lightning, since no carbon fiber.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

In my opinion... 1) the GU spar ends 4 feet from the wing tip.  Lots of them break there on a hard landing.  2) It wasn't designed to carry an 0-200A (but I don't know what your running for an engine). 3) if you never fly in the rain your ok.  And I challenge that the GU is faster?  The fastest Q out there is Sam and he's an LS1.

Mike Dwyer

Q-200 N3QP

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 7:57 PM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

John, PM me. I'm on the q Facebook group too if that's easier.

 

Mike, it's faster, and my LS one is already a little damaged. Plus I'm doing some fairly major changes and replacing my firewall already so seems a good time. Faster is legit the only reason for me wanting the swap. But I'm open to hearing reasons not to change back and to keep the LS.

 

Ryan

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:26 PM, John Lewis

<john@...> wrote:

Yup.  Located 40 minutes from Salt Lake City on I84.

 

John Lewis

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:09 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

Hey Ryan

I'm curious why you would switch that back.

Everything I read indicates the LS is some better characteristics

 

 

On Mon., Apr. 26, 2021, 6:00 p.m. ryan goodman via groups.io, <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone or there have a decent GU canard sitting around for a Q2? Tossing around the idea of swapping my LS1 back to that. Not fully decided as of yet but if there's one laying around for the right price that would save me making a new one it might twist my arm. 

       Thanks, Ryan


Re: progress

Bruce Crain
 

It looks delicious Chris! Yep Jay and I are a bit “warshed out”. I am afraid I will mess it up. Might be nice to put a couple of pin stripes on ‘er!
Bruce
On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Very nice, Chris, but you stole my color scheme! Actually, I stole mine from Bruce Crain, so in an indirect way, we both lifted that fine artwork from Bruce! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] progress

As Neil said " one small step for a man, a giant leap for me". I finally get to put things together and leave them.

To paint the entire airplane it took 1 1/2 gallons of epoxi primer and 1
1/2 gallons of single stage urethane.

Good news is I don't need a razor blade to cut any runs, but I will need to be doing some buffing.

Should look real good from circuit height. Still having
fun------------ Chris



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Re: progress

Jay Scheevel
 

Very nice, Chris, but you stole my color scheme! Actually, I stole mine from Bruce Crain, so in an indirect way, we both lifted that fine artwork from Bruce! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Jay

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As Neil said " one small step for a man, a giant leap for me". I finally get to put things together and leave them.

To paint the entire airplane it took 1 1/2 gallons of epoxi primer and 1
1/2 gallons of single stage urethane.

Good news is I don't need a razor blade to cut any runs, but I will need to be doing some buffing.

Should look real good from circuit height. Still having
fun------------ Chris



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progress

Chris Walterson
 

As Neil said " one small step for a man, a giant leap for me". I finally get to put things together and leave them.

To paint the entire airplane it took 1 1/2 gallons of epoxi primer and 1 1/2 gallons of single stage urethane.

 Good news is I don't need  a razor blade to cut any runs, but I will need to be doing some buffing.

 Should look real good from circuit height.  Still having fun------------  Chris



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Re: GU canard for sale?

Richard Thomson
 

    Thanks OSD, that is good advice. Good article.

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 17:09, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
The best protection from lightning strikes is to avoid thunderstorms. But if you must fly near them here are the latest mitigation schemes.

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/lightning-strike-protection-strategies-for-composite-aircraft 

That thin layer of glass will not insulate the carbon. I have never worried about the carbon bits and spar caps in my Dragonfly. I fly in less than perfect weather but when lightning storms are forecast I would rather be on the ground.

One Sky Dog



On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 3:34 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

    Jay,

    The modern carbon airliners use glass pads as insulators for lightning strike, so as the carbon spar is wrapped in glass, it should be insulated from lightning stike I would have thought.

    Just my 2 new pence worth, (which is also a good coin for tap testing). 

    Br

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 01:40, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Any Q is faster if it is lighter and more power is added. Those factors are probably more important than the airfoil.  

 

VG’s on the GU solve the rain/contamination problem, but are a pain when trying to keep the canard clean.

 

LS-1’s break too, but just outboard of the fuselage instead of farther out on the wing.

 

There are several GU’s flying with O-200’s on them, so I suspect the QAC change from GU to LS1 was driven more by contamination problems than by strength issues (despite what was said in the QAC newsletters).

 

I am not sure that the speed of GU vs LS1 has ever been fully resolved, but there are a lot of fast GU Q’s that have been built with a variety of engines (Corbin’s is a very fast Q200 and has a GU canard. Paul Spackman’s Q2 with the GU and Jabiru engine is/was also very fast). More LS1’s have been built because of supply, so the sample size is larger and probably more is known about them because of that.

 

……The GU will not explode if hit by lightning, since no carbon fiber.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

In my opinion... 1) the GU spar ends 4 feet from the wing tip.  Lots of them break there on a hard landing.  2) It wasn't designed to carry an 0-200A (but I don't know what your running for an engine). 3) if you never fly in the rain your ok.  And I challenge that the GU is faster?  The fastest Q out there is Sam and he's an LS1.

Mike Dwyer

Q-200 N3QP

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 7:57 PM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

John, PM me. I'm on the q Facebook group too if that's easier.

 

Mike, it's faster, and my LS one is already a little damaged. Plus I'm doing some fairly major changes and replacing my firewall already so seems a good time. Faster is legit the only reason for me wanting the swap. But I'm open to hearing reasons not to change back and to keep the LS.

 

Ryan

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:26 PM, John Lewis

<john@...> wrote:

Yup.  Located 40 minutes from Salt Lake City on I84.

 

John Lewis

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:09 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

Hey Ryan

I'm curious why you would switch that back.

Everything I read indicates the LS is some better characteristics

 

 

On Mon., Apr. 26, 2021, 6:00 p.m. ryan goodman via groups.io, <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone or there have a decent GU canard sitting around for a Q2? Tossing around the idea of swapping my LS1 back to that. Not fully decided as of yet but if there's one laying around for the right price that would save me making a new one it might twist my arm. 

       Thanks, Ryan


Re: Canard for sale

RK
 

Thanks here also, Sir.  I'll be damned if I haven't searched for that a dozen times.  Is the group set to hidden by chance?


Re: GU canard for sale?

One Sky Dog
 

The best protection from lightning strikes is to avoid thunderstorms. But if you must fly near them here are the latest mitigation schemes.

https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/lightning-strike-protection-strategies-for-composite-aircraft 


That thin layer of glass will not insulate the carbon. I have never worried about the carbon bits and spar caps in my Dragonfly. I fly in less than perfect weather but when lightning storms are forecast I would rather be on the ground.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 3:34 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

    Jay,

    The modern carbon airliners use glass pads as insulators for lightning strike, so as the carbon spar is wrapped in glass, it should be insulated from lightning stike I would have thought.

    Just my 2 new pence worth, (which is also a good coin for tap testing). 

    Br

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 01:40, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Any Q is faster if it is lighter and more power is added. Those factors are probably more important than the airfoil.  

 

VG’s on the GU solve the rain/contamination problem, but are a pain when trying to keep the canard clean.

 

LS-1’s break too, but just outboard of the fuselage instead of farther out on the wing.

 

There are several GU’s flying with O-200’s on them, so I suspect the QAC change from GU to LS1 was driven more by contamination problems than by strength issues (despite what was said in the QAC newsletters).

 

I am not sure that the speed of GU vs LS1 has ever been fully resolved, but there are a lot of fast GU Q’s that have been built with a variety of engines (Corbin’s is a very fast Q200 and has a GU canard. Paul Spackman’s Q2 with the GU and Jabiru engine is/was also very fast). More LS1’s have been built because of supply, so the sample size is larger and probably more is known about them because of that.

 

……The GU will not explode if hit by lightning, since no carbon fiber.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

In my opinion... 1) the GU spar ends 4 feet from the wing tip.  Lots of them break there on a hard landing.  2) It wasn't designed to carry an 0-200A (but I don't know what your running for an engine). 3) if you never fly in the rain your ok.  And I challenge that the GU is faster?  The fastest Q out there is Sam and he's an LS1.

Mike Dwyer

Q-200 N3QP

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 7:57 PM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

John, PM me. I'm on the q Facebook group too if that's easier.

 

Mike, it's faster, and my LS one is already a little damaged. Plus I'm doing some fairly major changes and replacing my firewall already so seems a good time. Faster is legit the only reason for me wanting the swap. But I'm open to hearing reasons not to change back and to keep the LS.

 

Ryan

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:26 PM, John Lewis

<john@...> wrote:

Yup.  Located 40 minutes from Salt Lake City on I84.

 

John Lewis

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:09 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

Hey Ryan

I'm curious why you would switch that back.

Everything I read indicates the LS is some better characteristics

 

 

On Mon., Apr. 26, 2021, 6:00 p.m. ryan goodman via groups.io, <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone or there have a decent GU canard sitting around for a Q2? Tossing around the idea of swapping my LS1 back to that. Not fully decided as of yet but if there's one laying around for the right price that would save me making a new one it might twist my arm. 

       Thanks, Ryan


Re: Canard for sale

Richard Thomson
 

    That makes me feel so much better Jay, its only 15 years restoring the Triq, and this years is 25 years since I started the Viggen, so thats only 10 years in real terms. Amazing.

    Where does the time go ?

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 16:20, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Just marshal on, Ryan. Else, you will end up like me after 35 years and just getting to the finish line. Here’s how I proceeded once I started to make good progress:  Look at the airplane…see something that needs doing….do it….repeat. Eventually, you run out things that need doing, and you can go fly.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of ryan goodman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Canard for sale

 

Not at all. There's nothing wrong with my current spar. Just my understanding that the GU was worth a few extra knots over the LS. Though from this thread is looking like maybe I'm mistaken in that assumption and it may not be a much of a difference as I believed. 

 

I'm just staring down the barrel of a few changes in thev front of the airplane already, so figured it was a good time to consider any other changes up there.

   

 

   Ryan

 

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Crain

<jcrain2@...> wrote:

I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1.  So he is “punting” for the GU.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Bruce

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Re: GU canard for sale?

ryan goodman
 

Axiumflight@...

You are welcome to pose all of this to Mark Kettering, owner of aeromomemtum. This thread was about a canard. I'm going to try to stay on topic.
     Ryan


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:15 AM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

Here is a great summary of a glider destroyed in flight from a lightning strike, told by one of the occupants of the plane. Great pictures and reconstruction of the events. Suffice it to say, you probably don’t want to get struck by lightning.

 

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx0aGViaWc0MHJlYWNoZm9ydGhlc2tpZXNhZ2FpbnxneDo1NzMyZmZkOTVkOTcwZDFj

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Thomson
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:35 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

    Jay,

    The modern carbon airliners use glass pads as insulators for lightning strike, so as the carbon spar is wrapped in glass, it should be insulated from lightning stike I would have thought.

    Just my 2 new pence worth, (which is also a good coin for tap testing). 

    Br

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 01:40, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Any Q is faster if it is lighter and more power is added. Those factors are probably more important than the airfoil.  

 

VG’s on the GU solve the rain/contamination problem, but are a pain when trying to keep the canard clean.

 

LS-1’s break too, but just outboard of the fuselage instead of farther out on the wing.

 

There are several GU’s flying with O-200’s on them, so I suspect the QAC change from GU to LS1 was driven more by contamination problems than by strength issues (despite what was said in the QAC newsletters).

 

I am not sure that the speed of GU vs LS1 has ever been fully resolved, but there are a lot of fast GU Q’s that have been built with a variety of engines (Corbin’s is a very fast Q200 and has a GU canard. Paul Spackman’s Q2 with the GU and Jabiru engine is/was also very fast). More LS1’s have been built because of supply, so the sample size is larger and probably more is known about them because of that.

 

……The GU will not explode if hit by lightning, since no carbon fiber.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

In my opinion... 1) the GU spar ends 4 feet from the wing tip.  Lots of them break there on a hard landing.  2) It wasn't designed to carry an 0-200A (but I don't know what your running for an engine). 3) if you never fly in the rain your ok.  And I challenge that the GU is faster?  The fastest Q out there is Sam and he's an LS1.

Mike Dwyer

Q-200 N3QP

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 7:57 PM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

John, PM me. I'm on the q Facebook group too if that's easier.

 

Mike, it's faster, and my LS one is already a little damaged. Plus I'm doing some fairly major changes and replacing my firewall already so seems a good time. Faster is legit the only reason for me wanting the swap. But I'm open to hearing reasons not to change back and to keep the LS.

 

Ryan

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:26 PM, John Lewis

<john@...> wrote:

Yup.  Located 40 minutes from Salt Lake City on I84.

 

John Lewis

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:09 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

Hey Ryan

I'm curious why you would switch that back.

Everything I read indicates the LS is some better characteristics

 

 

On Mon., Apr. 26, 2021, 6:00 p.m. ryan goodman via groups.io, <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone or there have a decent GU canard sitting around for a Q2? Tossing around the idea of swapping my LS1 back to that. Not fully decided as of yet but if there's one laying around for the right price that would save me making a new one it might twist my arm. 

       Thanks, Ryan


Re: Canard for sale

 

Thanks! 


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 10:21 AM Quinn Garner <qsgarner@...> wrote:

Here’s a link Cody: 



On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:19 AM Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:
There is a q group on Facebook? 

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 10:07 AM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Not at all. There's nothing wrong with my current spar. Just my understanding that the GU was worth a few extra knots over the LS. Though from this thread is looking like maybe I'm mistaken in that assumption and it may not be a much of a difference as I believed. 

I'm just staring down the barrel of a few changes in thev front of the airplane already, so figured it was a good time to consider any other changes up there.
   

   Ryan


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1.  So he is “punting” for the GU.  Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Canard for sale

qsgarner@...
 

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:19 AM Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:
There is a q group on Facebook? 

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 10:07 AM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Not at all. There's nothing wrong with my current spar. Just my understanding that the GU was worth a few extra knots over the LS. Though from this thread is looking like maybe I'm mistaken in that assumption and it may not be a much of a difference as I believed. 

I'm just staring down the barrel of a few changes in thev front of the airplane already, so figured it was a good time to consider any other changes up there.
   

   Ryan


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1.  So he is “punting” for the GU.  Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Canard for sale

Jay Scheevel
 

Just marshal on, Ryan. Else, you will end up like me after 35 years and just getting to the finish line. Here’s how I proceeded once I started to make good progress:  Look at the airplane…see something that needs doing….do it….repeat. Eventually, you run out things that need doing, and you can go fly.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of ryan goodman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Canard for sale

 

Not at all. There's nothing wrong with my current spar. Just my understanding that the GU was worth a few extra knots over the LS. Though from this thread is looking like maybe I'm mistaken in that assumption and it may not be a much of a difference as I believed. 

 

I'm just staring down the barrel of a few changes in thev front of the airplane already, so figured it was a good time to consider any other changes up there.

   

 

   Ryan

 

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Crain

<jcrain2@...> wrote:

I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1.  So he is “punting” for the GU.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Bruce

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Re: Canard for sale

 

There is a q group on Facebook? 


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 10:07 AM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Not at all. There's nothing wrong with my current spar. Just my understanding that the GU was worth a few extra knots over the LS. Though from this thread is looking like maybe I'm mistaken in that assumption and it may not be a much of a difference as I believed. 

I'm just staring down the barrel of a few changes in thev front of the airplane already, so figured it was a good time to consider any other changes up there.
   

   Ryan


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1.  So he is “punting” for the GU.  Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: GU canard for sale?

Jay Scheevel
 

Here is a great summary of a glider destroyed in flight from a lightning strike, told by one of the occupants of the plane. Great pictures and reconstruction of the events. Suffice it to say, you probably don’t want to get struck by lightning.

 

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx0aGViaWc0MHJlYWNoZm9ydGhlc2tpZXNhZ2FpbnxneDo1NzMyZmZkOTVkOTcwZDFj

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Thomson
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:35 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

    Jay,

    The modern carbon airliners use glass pads as insulators for lightning strike, so as the carbon spar is wrapped in glass, it should be insulated from lightning stike I would have thought.

    Just my 2 new pence worth, (which is also a good coin for tap testing). 

    Br

    Rich T.

On 27/04/2021 01:40, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Any Q is faster if it is lighter and more power is added. Those factors are probably more important than the airfoil.  

 

VG’s on the GU solve the rain/contamination problem, but are a pain when trying to keep the canard clean.

 

LS-1’s break too, but just outboard of the fuselage instead of farther out on the wing.

 

There are several GU’s flying with O-200’s on them, so I suspect the QAC change from GU to LS1 was driven more by contamination problems than by strength issues (despite what was said in the QAC newsletters).

 

I am not sure that the speed of GU vs LS1 has ever been fully resolved, but there are a lot of fast GU Q’s that have been built with a variety of engines (Corbin’s is a very fast Q200 and has a GU canard. Paul Spackman’s Q2 with the GU and Jabiru engine is/was also very fast). More LS1’s have been built because of supply, so the sample size is larger and probably more is known about them because of that.

 

……The GU will not explode if hit by lightning, since no carbon fiber.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] GU canard for sale?

 

In my opinion... 1) the GU spar ends 4 feet from the wing tip.  Lots of them break there on a hard landing.  2) It wasn't designed to carry an 0-200A (but I don't know what your running for an engine). 3) if you never fly in the rain your ok.  And I challenge that the GU is faster?  The fastest Q out there is Sam and he's an LS1.

Mike Dwyer

Q-200 N3QP

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 7:57 PM ryan goodman via groups.io <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

John, PM me. I'm on the q Facebook group too if that's easier.

 

Mike, it's faster, and my LS one is already a little damaged. Plus I'm doing some fairly major changes and replacing my firewall already so seems a good time. Faster is legit the only reason for me wanting the swap. But I'm open to hearing reasons not to change back and to keep the LS.

 

Ryan

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:26 PM, John Lewis

<john@...> wrote:

Yup.  Located 40 minutes from Salt Lake City on I84.

 

John Lewis

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:09 PM Mike Steinsland <MIKESKUSTOMS@...> wrote:

Hey Ryan

I'm curious why you would switch that back.

Everything I read indicates the LS is some better characteristics

 

 

On Mon., Apr. 26, 2021, 6:00 p.m. ryan goodman via groups.io, <elboy0712=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone or there have a decent GU canard sitting around for a Q2? Tossing around the idea of swapping my LS1 back to that. Not fully decided as of yet but if there's one laying around for the right price that would save me making a new one it might twist my arm. 

       Thanks, Ryan


Re: Canard for sale

ryan goodman
 

Not at all. There's nothing wrong with my current spar. Just my understanding that the GU was worth a few extra knots over the LS. Though from this thread is looking like maybe I'm mistaken in that assumption and it may not be a much of a difference as I believed. 

I'm just staring down the barrel of a few changes in thev front of the airplane already, so figured it was a good time to consider any other changes up there.
   

   Ryan


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:58 AM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1.  So he is “punting” for the GU.  Correct me if I am wrong.
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Canard for sale

Bruce Crain
 

I think if we read between the lines Ryan is frustrated about finding the carbon fiber spars for the LS1. So he is “punting” for the GU. Correct me if I am wrong.
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