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Re: Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Mike Dwyer
 

Jay,
How do you know if your header tank fuel pump quits and your no longer refilling the header tank?  
Also instead of the 1/4" output on the lines I put in a restrictor.  This way if the line does break, you'd get a much smaller volume of fuel coming out.
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 1:15 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
Precisely my fear when I was building my fuel system, ergo, no header sight gauge in my plane.  That said, there are several on this group that have robust solutions to the design and materials for your replacement that will put your mind at ease. I too am glad for you that it did not happen in flight. You must be living right.

Cheers,
Jay

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Subject: [Q-List] Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Brittle little tubes these are.  I’m starting the new panel build and was emptying the header tank.  I barely touched the sight gauge so I could watch the fuel quantity decreased.  It cracked immediately and fuel started to spray.  As I panicked and yelled, “tell my story….” to anyone that could of heard me, I tried to put my thumb over it and it broke into more pieces.  Plenty of fuel emptied into the middle and pilot seat before I could rig up the hose and water container to collect it.  Fun.

Glad it broke on the ground as I easily could have tapped it in flight and the same thing would have happened.




Corbin

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Re: Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Mike Dwyer
 

Yes, those are a yearly replacement item.  Looks like yours might be 5+ years old!  When they are no longer clear, your on borrowed time!  Same thing with the header tank overflow tubing.
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 1:04 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Brittle little tubes these are.  I’m starting the new panel build and was emptying the header tank.  I barely touched the sight gauge so I could watch the fuel quantity decreased.  It cracked immediately and fuel started to spray.  As I panicked and yelled, “tell my story….” to anyone that could of heard me, I tried to put my thumb over it and it broke into more pieces.  Plenty of fuel emptied into the middle and pilot seat before I could rig up the hose and water container to collect it.  Fun.

Glad it broke on the ground as I easily could have tapped it in flight and the same thing would have happened.




Corbin

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Re: Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Corbin,

 

I have a conductance gauge, so it is electronic and shows up on my EFIS, as does my main. It is pretty accurate, but it does depend slightly on relative humidity (we have none where I live, but you can have lots where you live).  Also, level varies by 30-40% at high AOA’s.  At one time I considered using a float gauge in the header but changed my mind. I have a back-up float gauge in the main, which I like, but it was easy to install.

 

There are other options for your header, but I think most people will coach you keep the sight gauge, since you have only 5 gallons, and I assume you mostly leave it full all the time. I have a 13.6 gallon header, so it is more like a normal tank, so I can run a couple hours without filling from the main.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 11:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

 

Jay - I was thinking of getting rid of it and only using the fuel indicator on the G3X display.  But then wondered if I would trust it.  Do you have a standard fuel gauge for yours or are you "glass" and use that fuel indicator in the display?

 

Corbin 


On May 6, 2021 at 12:15 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Precisely my fear when I was building my fuel system, ergo, no header sight gauge in my plane. That said, there are several on this group that have robust solutions to the design and materials for your replacement that will put your mind at ease. I too am glad for you that it did not happen in flight. You must be living right.

Cheers,
Jay

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To: Q List <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Brittle little tubes these are. I’m starting the new panel build and was emptying the header tank. I barely touched the sight gauge so I could watch the fuel quantity decreased. It cracked immediately and fuel started to spray. As I panicked and yelled, “tell my story….” to anyone that could of heard me, I tried to put my thumb over it and it broke into more pieces. Plenty of fuel emptied into the middle and pilot seat before I could rig up the hose and water container to collect it. Fun.

Glad it broke on the ground as I easily could have tapped it in flight and the same thing would have happened.




Corbin

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Re: Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Corbin
 

Jay - I was thinking of getting rid of it and only using the fuel indicator on the G3X display.  But then wondered if I would trust it.  Do you have a standard fuel gauge for yours or are you "glass" and use that fuel indicator in the display?

Corbin 

On May 6, 2021 at 12:15 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Precisely my fear when I was building my fuel system, ergo, no header sight gauge in my plane. That said, there are several on this group that have robust solutions to the design and materials for your replacement that will put your mind at ease. I too am glad for you that it did not happen in flight. You must be living right.

Cheers,
Jay

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To: Q List <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Brittle little tubes these are. I’m starting the new panel build and was emptying the header tank. I barely touched the sight gauge so I could watch the fuel quantity decreased. It cracked immediately and fuel started to spray. As I panicked and yelled, “tell my story….” to anyone that could of heard me, I tried to put my thumb over it and it broke into more pieces. Plenty of fuel emptied into the middle and pilot seat before I could rig up the hose and water container to collect it. Fun.

Glad it broke on the ground as I easily could have tapped it in flight and the same thing would have happened.




Corbin

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Re: Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Jay Scheevel
 

Precisely my fear when I was building my fuel system, ergo, no header sight gauge in my plane. That said, there are several on this group that have robust solutions to the design and materials for your replacement that will put your mind at ease. I too am glad for you that it did not happen in flight. You must be living right.

Cheers,
Jay

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 11:04 AM
To: Q List <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Brittle little tubes these are. I’m starting the new panel build and was emptying the header tank. I barely touched the sight gauge so I could watch the fuel quantity decreased. It cracked immediately and fuel started to spray. As I panicked and yelled, “tell my story….” to anyone that could of heard me, I tried to put my thumb over it and it broke into more pieces. Plenty of fuel emptied into the middle and pilot seat before I could rig up the hose and water container to collect it. Fun.

Glad it broke on the ground as I easily could have tapped it in flight and the same thing would have happened.




Corbin

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Fuel Sight Tube Broke- pics included

Corbin
 

Brittle little tubes these are. I’m starting the new panel build and was emptying the header tank. I barely touched the sight gauge so I could watch the fuel quantity decreased. It cracked immediately and fuel started to spray. As I panicked and yelled, “tell my story….” to anyone that could of heard me, I tried to put my thumb over it and it broke into more pieces. Plenty of fuel emptied into the middle and pilot seat before I could rig up the hose and water container to collect it. Fun.

Glad it broke on the ground as I easily could have tapped it in flight and the same thing would have happened.




Corbin

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Re: Q1 Fuselage comes up

Terry Crouch
 

The depression is done before glassing the inside. The insert is installed before glassing the outside. I did not put a screen over that depression per plans. Instead I put a finger strainer ( screen that is in a cylinder shape) over the depression so the water can find the low spot (quick drain) and there is still a screen over the fuel pickup tube.

Terry Crouch 
Quickie N14TC


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From: Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2021 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Fuselage comes up

Hello Q-Groupe,

the borehole at STA 45.0 in the bottom section, please find a picture from the referenced Q1 plan, is applied before glassing or after? 

Best regrads

Eugen 

B


Re: Q1 Fuselage comes up

Eugen Pilarski
 

Hello Q-Groupe,

the borehole at STA 45.0 in the bottom section, please find a picture from the referenced Q1 plan, is applied before glassing or after? 

Best regrads

Eugen 

B


Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike------------  On mine because on each side of the canard and wing, the layup is done in one big step and technically the "spar" is built in my build was inspected when  I had bare foam and all the jigs in place. I built the wing and canard at the same time so I had all the foam and carbon fiber cut so the inspector could see. I also explained what I was doing and the process.

 After that I was good the final. If you check with MDRA you will see what the previous builder did.

You definitely need at least one inspection prior to paint. Take care-----------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Jay Scheevel
 

Sam is demonstrating how you turn the Q into a camper.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 12:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Rigging

 

I saw your "in the hole" photo.  I've never tried that one.  If I need to be back there, I just take the tailcone off.  I'm afraid if I got in there, I'd never get out!!  So you win.

 

Paul

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 12:45 Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Mike, there are a few photos of my lower bellcrank, roll trim and reflexor in my photos on the Q-List.

 

 

Sam

 

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Paul Fisher
 

I saw your "in the hole" photo.  I've never tried that one.  If I need to be back there, I just take the tailcone off.  I'm afraid if I got in there, I'd never get out!!  So you win.

Paul

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 12:45 Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Mike, there are a few photos of my lower bellcrank, roll trim and reflexor in my photos on the Q-List.


Sam

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Sam Hoskins
 

Mike, there are a few photos of my lower bellcrank, roll trim and reflexor in my photos on the Q-List.


Sam


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Spring Fling

Sam Hoskins
 

I'll be there Saturday.

Sam 

On Sat, May 1, 2021, 10:41 AM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Hey Chris did you have to have two inspections,one before you covered the wings with primer and then another after you glassed them on but before priming the connection? 

Canopy masking idea's a good one. Have to remember that. 

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6 inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a bellcrank about 3 inches.

  I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think I am going to stick with how I have it.

 I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Please keep me posted
I m planning to do all the rigging for the ailerons later because I'm going to put off attaching the wing until I have as much done as possible. My space is a bit restricted and walking around 2 wings might be awkward. 
I'll just file away your findings for later 








On Mon., May 3, 2021, 1:52 p.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Mike---------  you're right. Sometimes my licdexia takes over. Even
so, I have the two top bellcrank  at center of tube to bolt hole

2.5 inches and the bottom bellcranks  center bolt hole to center bolt
hole 4.5 inches. This will give me 40 degrees of total travel.

If the bottom bellcrank is only 2.9 inches , you won't have any travel.
Maybe they mean 2.9 from center of tube to bolt hole. That makes more
sense.  I'll see if I can find some other pictures on line.----------- 
Chris



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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike---------  you're right. Sometimes my licdexia takes over. Even so, I have the two top bellcrank  at center of tube to bolt hole

2.5 inches and the bottom bellcranks  center bolt hole to center bolt hole 4.5 inches. This will give me 40 degrees of total travel.

If the bottom bellcrank is only 2.9 inches , you won't have any travel. Maybe they mean 2.9 from center of tube to bolt hole. That makes more sense.  I'll see if I can find some other pictures on line.-----------  Chris



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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Hi Chris 
Here's what I have from my plans
Unless I'm reading this wrong the QCSA3 appears to be the bottom bellcrank that needs the 2.9 " spacing.
Photos from plans attached
As I said I haven't installed mine yet so I'm not sure how the geometry is.Let  me know if you find something different from what I understand

On Mon., May 3, 2021, 8:05 a.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Mike----------  The measurement change was for the upper bellcrank.  
2.9 inches. There may have been one for the lower one, but my plans
weren't as complete as they could be and I didn't find anything.  The
4.5 measurement seems to work well, but I'll wait for the other guys to
chime in before I commit.  Take care------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike----------  The measurement change was for the upper bellcrank.   2.9 inches. There may have been one for the lower one, but my plans weren't as complete as they could be and I didn't find anything.  The 4.5 measurement seems to work well, but I'll wait for the other guys to chime in before I commit.  Take care------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Hey Chris 
I haven't done my ailerons yet and 
I'm sitting on my couch away from my plans and news letters but was the measurement change for the aileron bellcrank for the upper one or the lower?


On Sun., May 2, 2021, 2:04 p.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
   Starting to rig the ailerons and elevators.  Running into a bit of a
concern with the ailerons.

  Are you expected to get a full 25  degree deflection both up and down,
or is that just the limit?

  My upper bellcranks Q2CSA4 have been modified to the 2.9 measurement,
but with the stock lower

bellcranks QCSA3 I only get about 15 degrees deflection both up and down.

  The lower bellcrank QCSA3 has a center to center tube spacing of 3
inches.  I modified it and I now have 4.5 inches.

Now my deflection is 20 degrees both up and down and I can get the full
25 if I use the reflexor, but then again if you go down 25, then you can
only go up 15.

  Am I close to being right or am I missing something?

  Heard a good one yesterday.

  Whenever a door closes , another one opens,

Other than that a Cessna is a pretty good airplane.  Take
care-----------  Chris


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