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Re: Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube

smeshno1@...
 

 That would work too, Bob.  Contact! Magazine (Pat Panzera, editor) had a feature on Pegasus DP-1 who have been developing a 1/2 Continental O-200 to a two cylinder specifically for LSA use. It has been running but the developer whom I have chatted with was also doing his best to avoid using a forged crankshaft. I think he finally tossed in the towel and went with the machine forged steel. I also informed that Nitriding and keeping the throw and mains radii larger than .100" are both required for aircraft use. The fact is that either powerplant would indeed make an excellent Q1 FWF package. Rocket indeed! Wow.. hotrod for one. 

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Cringely <bob@...>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 9:28 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube
 
If you mean a Franklin O-110, I have one! It came in 50 and 60 hp versions rated at 3300 rpm. 

Bob

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 7:46 AM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Great to see you and your Q2 again Nathan!!  Say, I looked at a Continental 0200 1/2 a while back.  I suppose it would weigh around 120 lbs and crank out 50 hp.  Might make that Q2 a rocket!  3 gals/hr!  Just a thought.
Bruce

On May 9, 2021, at 11:43 PM, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Nathan, thank you for the zoom meeting you did. Informative and like Sam said “what a history”. Sorry to hear you’ve had so many problems with the Rotax and Warp Drive. 


Regards,
Jim
N46JP Q200




Re: Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube

Jerry Marstall
 

That  is really cool!  Jerry


On Mon, May 17, 2021, 4:02 PM Nathan Peck <nathanpeck@...> wrote:
If anyone is interested, I posted a video of a Quickie take off and lap around the runway.  You can clearly hear the Rotax wind-up as speed builds, especially off the runway in ground effect.

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 7:56 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Thanks Nathan.  What a history!

https://youtu.be/rdNRasb3Nz8

The rest of the Q-Tours are here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ

We're getting quite a collection.  Who's ready to go next?

Sam


Re: Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube

Robert Cringely
 

If you mean a Franklin O-110, I have one! It came in 50 and 60 hp versions rated at 3300 rpm. 

Bob

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 7:46 AM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Great to see you and your Q2 again Nathan!!  Say, I looked at a Continental 0200 1/2 a while back.  I suppose it would weigh around 120 lbs and crank out 50 hp.  Might make that Q2 a rocket!  3 gals/hr!  Just a thought.
Bruce

On May 9, 2021, at 11:43 PM, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



Nathan, thank you for the zoom meeting you did. Informative and like Sam said “what a history”. Sorry to hear you’ve had so many problems with the Rotax and Warp Drive. 


Regards,
Jim
N46JP Q200




Re: Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube

Jay Scheevel
 

Very cool Nathan. I am stealing your idea for backward looking camera mounting on the cowl!

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nathan Peck
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 2:02 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube

 

If anyone is interested, I posted a video of a Quickie take off and lap around the runway.  You can clearly hear the Rotax wind-up as speed builds, especially off the runway in ground effect.

 

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 7:56 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Thanks Nathan.  What a history!

https://youtu.be/rdNRasb3Nz8

The rest of the Q-Tours are here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ

We're getting quite a collection.  Who's ready to go next?

Sam


Re: Nathan Peck's Quickie Q-Tour is uploaded to YouTube

Nathan Peck
 

If anyone is interested, I posted a video of a Quickie take off and lap around the runway.  You can clearly hear the Rotax wind-up as speed builds, especially off the runway in ground effect.

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 7:56 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Thanks Nathan.  What a history!

https://youtu.be/rdNRasb3Nz8

The rest of the Q-Tours are here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ

We're getting quite a collection.  Who's ready to go next?

Sam


FS: Bob Archer Antennas - COM & VOR

Steve Rothert
 

I've got two Bob Archer antennas for sale.  $80 each plus shipping.  Contact me at swrothert@...


Re: I published a new video about building the Q200

Bruce Crain
 

Nice!  Luv’dit!  
Bruce


On May 16, 2021, at 6:25 PM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:


Awesome!  Great story told in a great manner. Thanks for sharing, Mike.
Jerry M

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:23 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:




Re: I published a new video about building the Q200

Jerry Marstall
 

Awesome!  Great story told in a great manner. Thanks for sharing, Mike.
Jerry M

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 5:23 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I published a new video about building the Q200

Mike Dwyer
 


Re: Q2 Instruction

Pat Weaver
 

Thanks for the information! That's a little sooner than expected but I may be able to make that work! 


On Sun, May 16, 2021, 3:32 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
If the weather is good maybe you could drop into Spring Fling at Decorah, IA next Friday Saturday and Sunday!  Could be lots if info and maybe a ride or two!
Bruce Crain 


On May 16, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Pat Weaver <pweaver311@...> wrote:


I am trying to find someone in the Q2 community willing to take me up in their Q2 and provide some instruction/tips before soloing my Q2. I am happy to travel almost any distance and happy to donate money to their aviation fund. If anyone is able or willing to help, please let me know. Thank you in advance!

-Patrick W.



Re: Q2 Instruction

Bruce Crain
 

If the weather is good maybe you could drop into Spring Fling at Decorah, IA next Friday Saturday and Sunday!  Could be lots if info and maybe a ride or two!
Bruce Crain 


On May 16, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Pat Weaver <pweaver311@...> wrote:


I am trying to find someone in the Q2 community willing to take me up in their Q2 and provide some instruction/tips before soloing my Q2. I am happy to travel almost any distance and happy to donate money to their aviation fund. If anyone is able or willing to help, please let me know. Thank you in advance!

-Patrick W.



Q2 Instruction

Pat Weaver
 

I am trying to find someone in the Q2 community willing to take me up in their Q2 and provide some instruction/tips before soloing my Q2. I am happy to travel almost any distance and happy to donate money to their aviation fund. If anyone is able or willing to help, please let me know. Thank you in advance!

-Patrick W.


Re: Q1 Fuselage comes up

Robert Cringely
 

Puts my Quickie to shame...


On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 5:37 AM Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...> wrote:
So far the bottom is in the bag for the next 24h!

 



Best regards Eugen 




Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 24.04.2021 um 16:18 schrieb Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>:

Hello Q-Community,

so far the second fuselage side is in the bag.
😀

Please find below the picture.

Best regards 

Eugen 
<image0.jpeg>




From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:58:41 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Fuselage comes up
 
Dear Q-Community,

thanks for your hints and comments. Again, great to get that feedback from you guys! 

To post cure the Resin that I use for the Q1 Project (MGS LR385/LH386) it’s already a oven available that is used for the ASSO X-RAY Project (MGS LR285/LH285), please find below some Picture. It´s a full control heating process with some thermocouples and a customizing software solution (DIY).

It’s a easy construction of XPS elements, some cheap fans (Ebay 8$), two control cabinet heater from EBM Pabst (Ebay 20$), some bulbs (5 * 200W) and in the end a customizing fermentation controller (BrewiPI), please find below the link. https://www.brewpiremix.com   After all my aircrafts are in the air, maybe I will start to made my own beer :-)

To fit all parts of the Q1 in that oven it will be needed an extended version, if my buddy isn’t ready to go with his paint booth. So we will see……

The temperature will not rise more than 65°C, based on the Foam used in wing and canard area, for min. 15h but heat up 10°C/h (5h) and cool down with 10°C/h (5h).

So far all bulkheads are ready to go, just the seat bulkhead need to heat up (bending area) and fixed with resin/glass combo. The next step will be to contouring/cut out the bottom


Re: Q1 Fuselage comes up

Bruce Crain
 

Nice Eugen!!  Can’t wait to see the finished product and hear your percent weight loss at empty weight!!
Bruce


On May 15, 2021, at 5:37 AM, Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...> wrote:

So far the bottom is in the bag for the next 24h!

<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
 



Best regards Eugen 




Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 24.04.2021 um 16:18 schrieb Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>:

Hello Q-Community,

so far the second fuselage side is in the bag.
😀

Please find below the picture.

Best regards 

Eugen 
<image0.jpeg>




From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:58:41 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Fuselage comes up
 
Dear Q-Community,

thanks for your hints and comments. Again, great to get that feedback from you guys! 

To post cure the Resin that I use for the Q1 Project (MGS LR385/LH386) it’s already a oven available that is used for the ASSO X-RAY Project (MGS LR285/LH285), please find below some Picture. It´s a full control heating process with some thermocouples and a customizing software solution (DIY).

It’s a easy construction of XPS elements, some cheap fans (Ebay 8$), two control cabinet heater from EBM Pabst (Ebay 20$), some bulbs (5 * 200W) and in the end a customizing fermentation controller (BrewiPI), please find below the link. https://www.brewpiremix.com   After all my aircrafts are in the air, maybe I will start to made my own beer :-)

To fit all parts of the Q1 in that oven it will be needed an extended version, if my buddy isn’t ready to go with his paint booth. So we will see……

The temperature will not rise more than 65°C, based on the Foam used in wing and canard area, for min. 15h but heat up 10°C/h (5h) and cool down with 10°C/h (5h).

So far all bulkheads are ready to go, just the seat bulkhead need to heat up (bending area) and fixed with resin/glass combo. The next step will be to contouring/cut out the bottom



Re: Q1 Fuselage comes up

Eugen Pilarski
 

So far the bottom is in the bag for the next 24h!

 



Best regards Eugen 




Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 24.04.2021 um 16:18 schrieb Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>:

Hello Q-Community,

so far the second fuselage side is in the bag.
😀

Please find below the picture.

Best regards 

Eugen 
<image0.jpeg>




From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:58:41 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Fuselage comes up
 
Dear Q-Community,

thanks for your hints and comments. Again, great to get that feedback from you guys! 

To post cure the Resin that I use for the Q1 Project (MGS LR385/LH386) it’s already a oven available that is used for the ASSO X-RAY Project (MGS LR285/LH285), please find below some Picture. It´s a full control heating process with some thermocouples and a customizing software solution (DIY).

It’s a easy construction of XPS elements, some cheap fans (Ebay 8$), two control cabinet heater from EBM Pabst (Ebay 20$), some bulbs (5 * 200W) and in the end a customizing fermentation controller (BrewiPI), please find below the link. https://www.brewpiremix.com   After all my aircrafts are in the air, maybe I will start to made my own beer :-)

To fit all parts of the Q1 in that oven it will be needed an extended version, if my buddy isn’t ready to go with his paint booth. So we will see……

The temperature will not rise more than 65°C, based on the Foam used in wing and canard area, for min. 15h but heat up 10°C/h (5h) and cool down with 10°C/h (5h).

So far all bulkheads are ready to go, just the seat bulkhead need to heat up (bending area) and fixed with resin/glass combo. The next step will be to contouring/cut out the bottom


Spring Fling WX

Bruce Crain
 

Say Kev you might want to put someone in charge of the weather for Spring fling with the right connections.  Ya got a week so there's time.  I know ya know somebody 'cause I think you were in charge of Field Of Dreams last year and it worked!  Whoop whoop!  Looking for a clearing!
Bruce



Re: Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with orig inal 4 into 1 configuration

Richard Thomson
 

    Well great Video Mike, at least you got all the landing in this time, all helps with my training you know..

    Br

Rich T.

On 12/05/2021 12:53, Mike Dwyer wrote:
Mufflers need space to install, we don't have any.  They get very hot so they can't be installed under the composite wing.  Ya, mufflers aren't possible.
Mike Q200

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 4:05 AM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

    So no mufflers in sight ? Sounds just like mine. Except they are just steel. so noise abatement procedures in your town ?

    Rich T

On 11/05/2021 19:22, Bruce Crain wrote:
Yep and nope!  I did get my pipes built there and nope it is 2 into 1 on both  sides.  They will replicate your pipes to fit.  Great to work with and quick.
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Richard Thomson" <richard@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with orig inal 4 into 1 configuration
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 15:05:47 +0100

Did you get yours done there Bruce, Is it a wrap around the front ?

Rich T

On 11/05/2021 14:50, Bruce Crain wrote:
Kevin,
Take off your old exhaust and send it in to this company.��https://planexhaust.com/
They can build you a stainless exhaust using your old exhaust.� You will get a lot longer service life.
They do wonderful work!
Bruce Crain

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Kevin Sheeley via groups.io" <kjsheely1@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with original 4 into 1 configuration
Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 17:04:48 -0700

Does any have a set of exhaust stacks from the original kit that they would be willing to sell? Mine are starting to have holes in them.

Kevin (Q200, dragger, 480 hours)



Re: Q200 Performance test.

Jay Scheevel
 

When I used to own the PA-28-235B with the 84 gallon fuel capacity, I always had the ambition to fly to Leadville, then fly “downhill” from there to Furnace Creek (Death Valley), so as to have as the terminus points on a single flight being the highest and the lowest paved airports in the US. Never did that. I may fly to Leadville in my Q someday (they give you a T-shirt), but you were probably wiser than me, Sam.

 

Mike,

DA is something to be respected, and calculated for, but not to be scared of in my neck of the woods.  Mornings are always quite cool in the mountain west, so take advantage of that gift and get airborne early.  Below is my actual tested climb performance at 1100 pounds GW and cruise climb (about 110 mph IAS).

Also, here is my tested take off distance as a function of DA. I keep these in my docs in the plane, so I can know whether I am performing as tested.

I have that draggy undercarriage… I would think you could use these as your base case, since you seem to be far outperforming me at your lower altitudes.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q200 Performance test.

 

I was once on a long cross-country and I flew over Leadville Colorado airport. 9, 934 ft field elevation. I was probably a couple thousand feet above the airport. I was thinking to myself that might be fun to land there and say I landed at the North America's highest airport. But then I thought, why tempt fate?

 

So I just continued on to my destination.

 

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 10:00 AM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Say Mike I didn't notice until I read your post that you were "1 person on board".  You really should try to climb from 5000' msl to 7500' msl with full fuel and luggage plus the two people who are going into Denver. Check your climb rate then.

 

I once flew out of Vance Brand KLMO (altitude 5055msl) with my son Jonathan (probably weighed 60lbs), luggage, and full fuel.  We waited until around noon and the temperature had climbed to around 95 degrees!  (density altitude over 10,000' msl!!)  I leaned the mixture and pushed the throttle forward and started to roll.  We rolled and rolled and finally got off just before the end of the runway and skimmed over the surrounding terra firma trying to establish a climb rate.  It was not pretty as at that time N96BJ was the Q200 tail dragger with a fixed pitch prop.  I now have the TriQ 200 with an MT prop which can be taken to 2700+ rpms for better horsepower.  However I am heavier around my girth and also the airplane.

 

So with all of that said my mistakes were not taking off early enough in the morning to catch maybe 50 degrees F (temperature is a big big factor)  The other thing was the runway was only 4800' long.  If I had landed at Colorado Air and Space Port the runway there is 8000' long with 2 cross runways.  Or Arapaho Centennial which has 10,000' long runways.

 

Not to discourage you though.  I have been into Colorado Air and Space Port with my oldest son Jake when he was in High School when he weighed around 175 and I was 175 but it was in the winter and the temps were in the 40's.  We did a lot better mainly due to the temps and the length of runways plus a cross runway.  Also there are some airports south and east of Denver that are pretty high such as Burlington, Co KITR which is 4218' msl and is 5200' long.  It was hot and the Q200 was minimal at that altitude and temp with my smaller son in the right seat.  The runway also goes up hill to the northwest (not good).    Garden City KGCK would have been a much better place to fuel as it is almost 2000' msl lower than Burlington plus the runway is 7300' long.

 

I pass all this on to you as I have experience albeit stupid  experience.  You can do it but be careful!

 

Bruce Crain

PS- Joanne and I have actually sent luggage via UPS and Post office when flying through and into the mountains to lighten our load.  30 or 40 lbs makes a big difference. You are more than welcome to stop by Enid on your way out and stay over night if  you like! Enjoy!



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From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: [Q-List] Q200 Performance test.
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 14:54:25 -0400

 


Re: Q200 Performance test.

Sam Hoskins
 

I was once on a long cross-country and I flew over Leadville Colorado airport. 9, 934 ft field elevation. I was probably a couple thousand feet above the airport. I was thinking to myself that might be fun to land there and say I landed at the North America's highest airport. But then I thought, why tempt fate?

So I just continued on to my destination.

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 10:00 AM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Say Mike I didn't notice until I read your post that you were "1 person on board".  You really should try to climb from 5000' msl to 7500' msl with full fuel and luggage plus the two people who are going into Denver. Check your climb rate then.
 
I once flew out of Vance Brand KLMO (altitude 5055msl) with my son Jonathan (probably weighed 60lbs), luggage, and full fuel.  We waited until around noon and the temperature had climbed to around 95 degrees!  (density altitude over 10,000' msl!!)  I leaned the mixture and pushed the throttle forward and started to roll.  We rolled and rolled and finally got off just before the end of the runway and skimmed over the surrounding terra firma trying to establish a climb rate.  It was not pretty as at that time N96BJ was the Q200 tail dragger with a fixed pitch prop.  I now have the TriQ 200 with an MT prop which can be taken to 2700+ rpms for better horsepower.  However I am heavier around my girth and also the airplane.
 
So with all of that said my mistakes were not taking off early enough in the morning to catch maybe 50 degrees F (temperature is a big big factor)  The other thing was the runway was only 4800' long.  If I had landed at Colorado Air and Space Port the runway there is 8000' long with 2 cross runways.  Or Arapaho Centennial which has 10,000' long runways.
 
Not to discourage you though.  I have been into Colorado Air and Space Port with my oldest son Jake when he was in High School when he weighed around 175 and I was 175 but it was in the winter and the temps were in the 40's.  We did a lot better mainly due to the temps and the length of runways plus a cross runway.  Also there are some airports south and east of Denver that are pretty high such as Burlington, Co KITR which is 4218' msl and is 5200' long.  It was hot and the Q200 was minimal at that altitude and temp with my smaller son in the right seat.  The runway also goes up hill to the northwest (not good).    Garden City KGCK would have been a much better place to fuel as it is almost 2000' msl lower than Burlington plus the runway is 7300' long.
 
I pass all this on to you as I have experience albeit stupid  experience.  You can do it but be careful!
 
Bruce Crain
PS- Joanne and I have actually sent luggage via UPS and Post office when flying through and into the mountains to lighten our load.  30 or 40 lbs makes a big difference. You are more than welcome to stop by Enid on your way out and stay over night if  you like! Enjoy!


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Subject: [Q-List] Q200 Performance test.
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 14:54:25 -0400




Re: Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with orig inal 4 into 1 configuration

Bruce Crain
 

No mufflers.  Some airports have a noise abatement but we are not as loud as T38's.
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Richard Thomson" <richard@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with orig inal 4 into 1 configuration
Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 09:05:06 +0100

    So no mufflers in sight ? Sounds just like mine. Except they are just steel. so noise abatement procedures in your town ?

    Rich T

On 11/05/2021 19:22, Bruce Crain wrote:
Yep and nope!  I did get my pipes built there and nope it is 2 into 1 on both  sides.  They will replicate your pipes to fit.  Great to work with and quick.
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Richard Thomson" <richard@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with orig inal 4 into 1 configuration
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 15:05:47 +0100

Did you get yours done there Bruce, Is it a wrap around the front ?

Rich T

On 11/05/2021 14:50, Bruce Crain wrote:
Kevin,
Take off your old exhaust and send it in to this company.��https://planexhaust.com/
They can build you a stainless exhaust using your old exhaust.� You will get a lot longer service life.
They do wonderful work!
Bruce Crain

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Kevin Sheeley via groups.io" <kjsheely1@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Wanted - exhaust stacks for the O200A in a Q200 with original 4 into 1 configuration
Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 17:04:48 -0700

Does any have a set of exhaust stacks from the original kit that they would be willing to sell? Mine are starting to have holes in them.

Kevin (Q200, dragger, 480 hours)


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