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Q2 for sale - $35k!

Corbin
 

Wow….this is the most activity for Q’s I have ever seen on Barnstormers.  There are 2-3 listed for sale and some parts listed as well.  Here is a link to the $35k  one:  https://www.barnstormers.com/classified-1676307-Quickie-2.html?catid=18948

Corbin

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Re: Boring flight report

Jay Scheevel
 

It’s funny how things can break when you are not even using them. Some form of Murphy’s law, I guess.

Cheers,
Jay


On Aug 3, 2021, at 8:37 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Here's my flight report for today.

First flight since the spring fling.
Flew to Perryville for gas, probably took 15 minutes. Did a right and left 360 on the way. Winds were calm, so of course I was fast on touchdown.

Got gas.

Flew back. Squelch on my ICOM IC-A210 is broke and I have to send it in for fixin'.

I need to fly more.

Sam



On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 10:41 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: Boring flight report

Corbin
 

My flight report:  plane still in two pieces (tail off) while I continue with all new avionics.  Tired of flying 182’s and the Cherokee Six.  Can’t wait to get airborne in the “Quirky” again.

Corbin

On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Here's my flight report for today.

First flight since the spring fling.
Flew to Perryville for gas, probably took 15 minutes. Did a right and left 360 on the way. Winds were calm, so of course I was fast on touchdown.

Got gas.

Flew back. Squelch on my ICOM IC-A210 is broke and I have to send it in for fixin'.

I need to fly more.

Sam



On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 10:41 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


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Re: Boring flight report

Sam Hoskins
 

Here's my flight report for today.

First flight since the spring fling.
Flew to Perryville for gas, probably took 15 minutes. Did a right and left 360 on the way. Winds were calm, so of course I was fast on touchdown.

Got gas.

Flew back. Squelch on my ICOM IC-A210 is broke and I have to send it in for fixin'.

I need to fly more.

Sam



On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 10:41 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: W and B

Theo Scheepers
 

Thanks for the information that sounds promising
Will keep you posted
Theo

On 03 Aug 2021, at 22:21, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Hi Theo,

I suspect that when you measure the actual FS of the pilot, you will find it is aft of the 56.6 shown in the POH. Most people I know have their pilot position aft of this. This will make you in the forward limit of CG, but still in limits. Much better to be on the forward end of the limit than on the aft end. In any case, keep us posted.

Cheers,
Jay

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Theo Scheepers
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 12:57 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Hi Jay
Yes she is quite light and I recon it’s due to the weight of the Rotax ( 80hp) and just basic vfr flight instrumentation I now need to do proper configuration W&B .
According to the Q2 POH - at my 190 lb the moment on the graph is 10750 in-lb and results for a station 56,579 in This results in a cfg at 44,47 in So 33051 in-lb moment at 743,21 lb puts me right on the front end of the graph and my concern is that if I fill the header tank it will push the aircraft outside of forward CFG limit !!
Thanks for your assistance,I’ll post my final W&B once completed 😀👍
It’s quite interesting that if I use the Q200 W&B graphs then the aircraft is well with in its CFG range Regards Theo
On 03 Aug 2021, at 16:13, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Hi Theo,

It looks like you are showing empty weight numbers. If that is the case, then your empty CG is at 40.31. If I assume the pilot FS to be at FS 60 (you need to measure this by sitting in the airplane), then your empty-fuel, pilot-only CG would be 45.35. That should be in the middle of the envelope. The FS 40.31 empty aircraft arm is just about where you want it. Make sure you measure the main tank, header tank, pilot/passenger, and baggage area, individually. If your numbers you posted are empty weight numbers, then at 553.21 pounds, you have one of the lightest Q2's on the planet! With your rotax at ~100 HP, it should get off quickly and fly fast! Good work on that! Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Theo
Scheepers
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Hi Gentlemen I hope someone can recommend and check my W&B I’ve
installed a Rotax 912 UL . I’ve got the old GU canard It seems to me
that if I’m using the LS1 Envelope that I’m just inside the Envelope
(forward end ) but if I use the GU Envelope I’m forward outside of the
Envelope Here’s my weights and arms

Left. 275,21 lb. arm. 39,5”
Right 275,37 lb. arm. 39,5”
Tail. 2,63 lb. arm. 210,4”
My weight is 190 lb.

This includes everything ( upholstery,instruments,fire extinguisher
and battery (at station 82) )) Regards Theo Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Jul 2021, at 22:20, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:
Removing the passenger or adding the passenger (depending on how you look at it) is the only difference between the last two loading scenarios.
According to my calculations and using 163.4 pounds for the passenger, gives my a FS for the pass/pilot of 61.92" Of course if you are taller, more of the leg weight is farther forward, so the it does vary from passenger to passenger. Since I don’t have independent weights for the gas in each tank. I cannot compute the FS of the two tanks. You will need that for your certification papers.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Chris Walterson
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Jay and Rich. I think one other variable is the scales I am using.
They are certified , but meant to weigh 6,000 lb Otters and they read
at
5 lb increments. For the tail wheel, I used a digital bathroom scale, that I calibrated with myself holding various known weights.

Thanks for the input, my "passenger/ daughter" will be pleased with
the news, she lost weight.----------- Chris


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Re: W and B

Theo Scheepers
 

Hi Chris
My initial calculations indicated that I have to mount my Rotax 4,75 in forward of the firewall station 14
That calculation was spot on but then I added a 4 inch prop extension and did not have it in my initial calculations
I’m sure that flying dual the cfg will be fine and solo I will need to fly with some ballast weight in the baggage section
Final configuration W&B will reveal what needed to be done
Regards
Theo

On 03 Aug 2021, at 23:14, Chris Walterson <dkeats@tbaytel.net> wrote:

 Theo--------- I notice in the Q2 manual with the GU canard , the sample W&B show 2 lbs on the tail wheel. I have the LS canard and am chunky [750]. I did the W&B with light pilot , no fuel.---Two heavy people, no fuel--- Light pilot header only---- Light pilot header and main full, and then two heavy pilots , full fuel and bagage up too 1250 LBS. After all said and done, I need 14.2 lbs on my tail wheel, at level attitude and empty. I notice most of the Q200 have close to the same.

Take care---------- Chris


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Re: W and B

Chris Walterson
 

Theo---------  I notice in the Q2 manual with the GU canard , the sample W&B show 2 lbs on the tail wheel.  I  have the LS canard and am chunky  [750].  I did the W&B with light pilot , no fuel.---Two heavy people, no fuel--- Light pilot header only---- Light pilot header and main full, and then two heavy pilots , full fuel and bagage up too 1250 LBS. After all said and done, I need 14.2 lbs on my tail wheel, at level attitude and empty. I notice most of the Q200 have close to the same.

 Take care----------  Chris


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Re: W and B

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Theo,

I suspect that when you measure the actual FS of the pilot, you will find it is aft of the 56.6 shown in the POH. Most people I know have their pilot position aft of this. This will make you in the forward limit of CG, but still in limits. Much better to be on the forward end of the limit than on the aft end. In any case, keep us posted.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Theo Scheepers
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 12:57 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Hi Jay
Yes she is quite light and I recon it’s due to the weight of the Rotax ( 80hp) and just basic vfr flight instrumentation I now need to do proper configuration W&B .
According to the Q2 POH - at my 190 lb the moment on the graph is 10750 in-lb and results for a station 56,579 in This results in a cfg at 44,47 in So 33051 in-lb moment at 743,21 lb puts me right on the front end of the graph and my concern is that if I fill the header tank it will push the aircraft outside of forward CFG limit !!
Thanks for your assistance,I’ll post my final W&B once completed 😀👍
It’s quite interesting that if I use the Q200 W&B graphs then the aircraft is well with in its CFG range Regards Theo
On 03 Aug 2021, at 16:13, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Hi Theo,

It looks like you are showing empty weight numbers. If that is the case, then your empty CG is at 40.31. If I assume the pilot FS to be at FS 60 (you need to measure this by sitting in the airplane), then your empty-fuel, pilot-only CG would be 45.35. That should be in the middle of the envelope. The FS 40.31 empty aircraft arm is just about where you want it. Make sure you measure the main tank, header tank, pilot/passenger, and baggage area, individually. If your numbers you posted are empty weight numbers, then at 553.21 pounds, you have one of the lightest Q2's on the planet! With your rotax at ~100 HP, it should get off quickly and fly fast! Good work on that! Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Theo
Scheepers
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Hi Gentlemen I hope someone can recommend and check my W&B I’ve
installed a Rotax 912 UL . I’ve got the old GU canard It seems to me
that if I’m using the LS1 Envelope that I’m just inside the Envelope
(forward end ) but if I use the GU Envelope I’m forward outside of the
Envelope Here’s my weights and arms

Left. 275,21 lb. arm. 39,5”
Right 275,37 lb. arm. 39,5”
Tail. 2,63 lb. arm. 210,4”
My weight is 190 lb.

This includes everything ( upholstery,instruments,fire extinguisher
and battery (at station 82) )) Regards Theo Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Jul 2021, at 22:20, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Removing the passenger or adding the passenger (depending on how you look at it) is the only difference between the last two loading scenarios.
According to my calculations and using 163.4 pounds for the passenger, gives my a FS for the pass/pilot of 61.92" Of course if you are taller, more of the leg weight is farther forward, so the it does vary from passenger to passenger. Since I don’t have independent weights for the gas in each tank. I cannot compute the FS of the two tanks. You will need that for your certification papers.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Chris Walterson
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Jay and Rich. I think one other variable is the scales I am using.
They are certified , but meant to weigh 6,000 lb Otters and they read
at
5 lb increments. For the tail wheel, I used a digital bathroom scale, that I calibrated with myself holding various known weights.

Thanks for the input, my "passenger/ daughter" will be pleased with
the news, she lost weight.----------- Chris


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Re: W and B

Theo Scheepers
 

Hi Jay
Yes she is quite light and I recon it’s due to the weight of the Rotax ( 80hp) and just basic vfr flight instrumentation
I now need to do proper configuration W&B .
According to the Q2 POH - at my 190 lb the moment on the graph is 10750 in-lb and results for a station 56,579 in This results in a cfg at 44,47 in
So 33051 in-lb moment at 743,21 lb puts me right on the front end of the graph and my concern is that if I fill the header tank it will push the aircraft outside of forward CFG limit !!
Thanks for your assistance,I’ll post my final W&B once completed 😀👍
It’s quite interesting that if I use the Q200 W&B graphs then the aircraft is well with in its CFG range
Regards
Theo

On 03 Aug 2021, at 16:13, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Hi Theo,

It looks like you are showing empty weight numbers. If that is the case, then your empty CG is at 40.31. If I assume the pilot FS to be at FS 60 (you need to measure this by sitting in the airplane), then your empty-fuel, pilot-only CG would be 45.35. That should be in the middle of the envelope. The FS 40.31 empty aircraft arm is just about where you want it. Make sure you measure the main tank, header tank, pilot/passenger, and baggage area, individually. If your numbers you posted are empty weight numbers, then at 553.21 pounds, you have one of the lightest Q2's on the planet! With your rotax at ~100 HP, it should get off quickly and fly fast! Good work on that! Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Theo Scheepers
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Hi Gentlemen I hope someone can recommend and check my W&B I’ve installed a Rotax 912 UL . I’ve got the old GU canard It seems to me that if I’m using the LS1 Envelope that I’m just inside the Envelope (forward end ) but if I use the GU Envelope I’m forward outside of the Envelope Here’s my weights and arms

Left. 275,21 lb. arm. 39,5”
Right 275,37 lb. arm. 39,5”
Tail. 2,63 lb. arm. 210,4”
My weight is 190 lb.

This includes everything ( upholstery,instruments,fire extinguisher and battery (at station 82) )) Regards Theo Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Jul 2021, at 22:20, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Removing the passenger or adding the passenger (depending on how you look at it) is the only difference between the last two loading scenarios.
According to my calculations and using 163.4 pounds for the passenger, gives my a FS for the pass/pilot of 61.92" Of course if you are taller, more of the leg weight is farther forward, so the it does vary from passenger to passenger. Since I don’t have independent weights for the gas in each tank. I cannot compute the FS of the two tanks. You will need that for your certification papers.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Walterson
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Jay and Rich. I think one other variable is the scales I am using.
They are certified , but meant to weigh 6,000 lb Otters and they read
at
5 lb increments. For the tail wheel, I used a digital bathroom scale, that I calibrated with myself holding various known weights.

Thanks for the input, my "passenger/ daughter" will be pleased with
the news, she lost weight.----------- Chris


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Re: Boring flight report

Mike Dwyer
 

Love it, LOL!
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: Boring flight report

Jerry Marstall
 

Nice report.  Paul, missed you at OSH.  We are taking the long way home in motorhome. Checking out Michigan Upper Peninsula.  Gorgeous. Tonight and tomorrow its Mackinac Island then home to get the Q back levitating.


On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 11:41 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: Boring flight report

smeshno1@...
 

 Kinda like them calm flights too. Nice aviating memories from them.  My first IA I worked with at FalconJet in the late 70's also did my first Annual Inspection signoff on the first aircraft I owned.. a 1962 B model Cessna 150 (N1100Y).

 Worked 3 days on the task. Once we got all the SB's and AD's worked through..everything back to flight ready early on the 3rd day I asked Jimmy if he would like to take a flight since it was a calm Autumn morning.  

His answer: "Nope! For me flying is hours and hours of tedious boredom interrupted by periods of stark terror!" 

 I'd forgotten that he served most of the 60's as an aircraft chief mechanic in Viet Nam.  Understanding why I chuckled at his views, paid him, and handed over the beer he wanted, but those memories were that day the air was glass smooth and a late fog on the golden lakes over central Arkansas. Looking forward to seeing those same again.  

 No terror. All good! 

 My wife and I just returned to Oklahoma from a short visit to Baltimore on Commercial airlines. I find myself being more anxious to move forward on our homebuilts so that mess of cattle feed lot type flying can be set aside! Our family in Maryland asked how difficult it would be to aviate ourselves there. Not much at all once the route is established.

 Penguin Vern 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:46 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Boring flight report
 

That sounds like the flights I like, just haven't managed it in the Q yet though.

But then work always gets in the way.

Rich T.

On 03/08/2021 16:41, Paul Fisher wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: Boring flight report

Jay Scheevel
 

Great boring flight report, Paul. Sorry I did not have time to swing down your way last week. Catch you in Enid, hopefully.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Boring flight report

 

I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

 

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

 

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

 

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

 

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

 

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

 

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

 

Enjoy!

 

Paul Fisher

Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: Boring flight report

Richard Thomson
 

That sounds like the flights I like, just haven't managed it in the Q yet though.

But then work always gets in the way.

Rich T.

On 03/08/2021 16:41, Paul Fisher wrote:
I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Boring flight report

Paul Fisher
 

I've had enough excitement in my life, I like boring flights!

It was a BEAUTIFUL day today.  Not a cloud in the sky, no haze, no smoke (the exact opposite of Jay's report departing Oshkosh!), no wind and temperature in the 60s.  Just a little light fog over the Mississippi to add to the beauty.  The corn and beans are doing well so everything as far as the eye can see was green.  I cruised around at 3000 (~2300 AGL) and it was as smooth as glass.  Not at all what you would expect in August in the midwest!

I didn't have anywhere in particular to go, so I just wandered around for 1.2 hours.  For a while I watched a crop duster working well below me spraying a corn field.  It's a different perspective watching from the top!

At some point I decided I should land and get on with my day.  Actually that took a bout of arguing in my head - I still had gas, why land?!?  But I headed back anyway.

Upon returning, the temperature had gone up to 72, and the winds increased to all of 4mph!  So the argument about landing came up again.  But again landing won out.

I had a totally stable approach, exactly on airspeed the whole time.  I'd like to say I always do that.  I don't, but I'd like to say I did!  Finished with a nice smooth landing and no bouncing.  A gentle taxi back to the hangar completed my nice boring flight. 

Everything worked, no one got in my way, and the weather was perfect.  What a great time!

Now I suppose I should get at whatever it was that made me think I had to land!!

Enjoy!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF - 1,745 hours over almost 31 years


Re: W and B

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Theo,

It looks like you are showing empty weight numbers. If that is the case, then your empty CG is at 40.31. If I assume the pilot FS to be at FS 60 (you need to measure this by sitting in the airplane), then your empty-fuel, pilot-only CG would be 45.35. That should be in the middle of the envelope. The FS 40.31 empty aircraft arm is just about where you want it. Make sure you measure the main tank, header tank, pilot/passenger, and baggage area, individually. If your numbers you posted are empty weight numbers, then at 553.21 pounds, you have one of the lightest Q2's on the planet! With your rotax at ~100 HP, it should get off quickly and fly fast! Good work on that! Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Jay

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Hi Gentlemen I hope someone can recommend and check my W&B I’ve installed a Rotax 912 UL . I’ve got the old GU canard It seems to me that if I’m using the LS1 Envelope that I’m just inside the Envelope (forward end ) but if I use the GU Envelope I’m forward outside of the Envelope Here’s my weights and arms

Left. 275,21 lb. arm. 39,5”
Right 275,37 lb. arm. 39,5”
Tail. 2,63 lb. arm. 210,4”
My weight is 190 lb.

This includes everything ( upholstery,instruments,fire extinguisher and battery (at station 82) )) Regards Theo Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Jul 2021, at 22:20, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Removing the passenger or adding the passenger (depending on how you look at it) is the only difference between the last two loading scenarios.
According to my calculations and using 163.4 pounds for the passenger, gives my a FS for the pass/pilot of 61.92" Of course if you are taller, more of the leg weight is farther forward, so the it does vary from passenger to passenger. Since I don’t have independent weights for the gas in each tank. I cannot compute the FS of the two tanks. You will need that for your certification papers.

Cheers,
Jay

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Walterson
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Jay and Rich. I think one other variable is the scales I am using.
They are certified , but meant to weigh 6,000 lb Otters and they read
at
5 lb increments. For the tail wheel, I used a digital bathroom scale, that I calibrated with myself holding various known weights.

Thanks for the input, my "passenger/ daughter" will be pleased with
the news, she lost weight.----------- Chris


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Re: OSH Report

 

Great report Jay,
 
Your right about Saturday's haze. 
I worked the Vintage Flight Line most of the week.  On Saturday one of our point leaders mentioned that since the airport didn't go VFR until 1207, normally the airport opens at 0600 for arrivals and departures and with the threat of sever weather forecast for later in the day, which did happen by the way but amazingly splitting at OSH with only a light shower, he in all his years never saw so many airplanes lined up at once.  And that was only on the South end.  We could only imagine what it looked like on the North end.  And you are exactly right that the air was FULL of departing airplanes.  We just stood there in amazement that the OSH controllers were able to get so many airborne before the airport closed for the afternoon airshow which started at 1400.  And we actually received some arrivals during that time.  Our hats off to those amazing OSH controllers.
 
Also by Friday Vintage had parked 600 more planes than in all of 2019.  It was estimated that there were roughly 10,500 planes on the field and proudly no one was turned away to saturation.  Not sure about that one but that's what I was told.  I know Vintage was having to park Classics with the GA's but still got em parked.  The South 40 has been expanded all the way to the road replacing a corn field.  I found it interesting that not one acre of the EAA grounds including Scholler was used for pasture.  It is all sowed in grass and kept mowed all year with two large three section mowers.  Give me a John Deere with an air-conditioned cab and they'll have a new employee.
 
All estimations are that attendance records will be broken this year.  Disappointing that AeroShell and David Clark were among those not present.  And for the curious Phillips was selling, in three case lots, their XC and Victory oil for $195 which is $5.41/qt.  My A&P buys it in 55 gal drums for $5.68/qt and resells for $5.90.  I had no idea they were selling it at a factory direct price.  Just just one more reason to go to AirVenture.
 
I had a great time, saw some old familiar faces at the Q gathering and it did seem like I was running into you from time to time.  You kinda shocked me when I had my head down looking at something when I nearly ran into someone....you.  There was a yellow Thorp there but mine was at home waiting for some new fire sleeve hoses which were put on yesterday.
 
And best of all....all week long we were AMERICANS!!  Everyone stood for the anthem....every day and I noticed that many sang.  Patriotism was everywhere.  If for only one week it was refreshing to escape the negative news of the day, to be with a few hundred thousand like minded people brought together by the love of flight.     
 
God Bless America
Keith

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Re: W and B

Theo Scheepers
 

Hi Gentlemen I hope someone can recommend and check my W&B
I’ve installed a Rotax 912 UL . I’ve got the old GU canard
It seems to me that if I’m using the LS1 Envelope that I’m just inside the Envelope
(forward end ) but if I use the GU Envelope I’m forward outside of the Envelope
Here’s my weights and arms

Left. 275,21 lb. arm. 39,5”
Right 275,37 lb. arm. 39,5”
Tail. 2,63 lb. arm. 210,4”
My weight is 190 lb.

This includes everything ( upholstery,instruments,fire extinguisher and battery (at station 82) ))
Regards
Theo
Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Jul 2021, at 22:20, Jay Scheevel <jay@scheevel.com> wrote:

Removing the passenger or adding the passenger (depending on how you look at it) is the only difference between the last two loading scenarios.
According to my calculations and using 163.4 pounds for the passenger, gives my a FS for the pass/pilot of 61.92" Of course if you are taller, more of the leg weight is farther forward, so the it does vary from passenger to passenger. Since I don’t have independent weights for the gas in each tank. I cannot compute the FS of the two tanks. You will need that for your certification papers.

Cheers,
Jay

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Walterson
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:07 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] W and B

Jay and Rich. I think one other variable is the scales I am using. They are certified , but meant to weigh 6,000 lb Otters and they read at
5 lb increments. For the tail wheel, I used a digital bathroom scale, that I calibrated with myself holding various known weights.

Thanks for the input, my "passenger/ daughter" will be pleased with the news, she lost weight.----------- Chris


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Re: OSH Report

Bruce Crain
 

Yep!  We can show you a great relaxed time Mike!  Would love to see you and your wonderful Q200 here in Enid!  I know you would  “ Wow” us with systems and the radiance of your Q!                     
Bruce Crain

On Aug 2, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



Thanks for the report Jay, sounds like you had a blast, and back safe.

Rich T.

On 02/08/2021 01:53, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Returned back home this morning after a very enjoyable visit to Oshkosh 2021. There was a lot of pent up energy after last year’s cancelled version, so lots of airplanes (I think the field filled up by late Sunday), and lots of people attending. There was a notable absence of international people this year, and with the exception of a few intrepid Canadians, I did not see international planes or companies. The Germans flew a big Nato Airbus A400 transport in, but that was it. Only 3 of the 4 large exhibit halls were open, and there were fewer rows in the ones that were open than in past years. It was hot and very humid most of the week, with lots of smoke from Canadian wildfires making for almost IFR haze. I had that all the way home. We had the requisite OSH thunderstorms, which pretty much came at night, but not too soggy on the field, and no damage.

 

Since I flew my Tri-Q2 in for the first time I went very early, the Thursday before, so as to avoid the traffic. I came in maybe 1 hour after the field opened with pink shirt controllers. The traffic was still the conga line even then, but I had a couple miles of spacing. Nevertheless there is always something. There was an RV in front of me as we were landing on 18. The basic idea is to fly downwind to remain short of the tower (blue dot) then turn base and final to land. I hear on the tower frequency “Are you going to call my base?” coming from the RV in front of me. No answer, so the next thing I see is he has made a 180 and is flying back towards me on downwind. I know there is no one close behind me so I made a sharp descending left 360 and when I am able to see him again, he has found the base, and I have spacing, so I continue the downwind, base and land on 18. The tower said nothing to either one of us during this, so I guess they did not see it or thought “no harm, no foul”. Shortly after touching down, I hear the controller say “welcome to Sun and Fun” and then catch himself and correct to Oshkosh. Oh well, I guess we were all finding our sea legs. My landing pattern looked like this on Flightaware.

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I had a buddy texting me asking why I did a snap roll on downwind. These Quickies can make a tight turn!

 

I camped in homebuilt camping for the first time. It is a little noisier than other places I have camped on the field in the past, but there was a lot of good conversation and camaraderie. I was surrounded by RV’s and for most of the week I had the only Quickie of any flavor on the field. Matthew Curcio from California came through for one day flying his Q200 and had his new bride with him, and that was the only other Q to show. He says they have a house near John Wayne airport and he commutes with his Q200 to Mojave to work every day. He said he put 1200 hours on it in the last two years. Jerry and Nancy Marstall drove in with their motorhome, so we palled around a bit during the week. Keith Welsh probably thought I was stalking him, since I kept running into him all over the place.

 

When I pulled in on Thursday, the coordinator of the homebuilt showcase asked me if I wanted to fly in the air show on Tuesday. I said yes and after some paperwork and a briefing which included all the “bigs” in the airshow world, I felt pretty pumped to fly my little Quickie in the big show! We fly a take off pass along the crowd, then another pass at 500 and then land on the parallel. It was a blast. Found a video online that includes the whole show, but if you hit the link below it should start in the middle with my take off roll (if not, go to 2:00:46 and start). I has only my takeoff pass, but is a good look. So lots of people along the flight line got to ask each other “What is that thing???”

 

https://youtu.be/qPNKXh9zlEQ?t=7246

 

Had a Quickie get together at the Homebuilder back porch on Wednesday morning and had a good crowd of the about 7-8 of the regulars and a few others who were curious about the type (airplane that is). The only other one that flew a homebuilt in was Keith Welsh but he scooted in in his Thorp T-18. We all chatted for an hour or so and then wandered off to see all of the rest of the goodies.

 

I had my Q judged and made it pretty far into the competition, since I had a visit late in the week with a couple golf carts full of judges who pawed over it for 15 minutes or so while I talked as fast as I could. i had total of 13 judges initials on my prop card, but I did not walk away with any hardware. Was a good experience though.

 

My other flights to and from were typical cross country flights.  I managed to have gusty cross winds on almost all landings, so I got better at that. My engine is much peppier when I am not flying at 6000’ DA and higher that is the norm out here. I got off shorter, climbed faster and burned lots more fuel! I don’t see how you people can breathe down there near sea level!

 

Coming and going, I flew 1100 miles each way, at MSL cruising altitudes from below 2000’ to 12500’ and my little Q averaged 160 mph TAS on less than 7 gph (better at higher altitude), so am very happy with that. Great little airplanes, these Q’s. Good cross country platforms and fun to fly. You Just don’t have much cargo space 😊, but we have UPS for that.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 176 hours




Re: OSH Report

Richard Thomson
 

Thanks for the report Jay, sounds like you had a blast, and back safe.

Rich T.

On 02/08/2021 01:53, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Returned back home this morning after a very enjoyable visit to Oshkosh 2021. There was a lot of pent up energy after last year’s cancelled version, so lots of airplanes (I think the field filled up by late Sunday), and lots of people attending. There was a notable absence of international people this year, and with the exception of a few intrepid Canadians, I did not see international planes or companies. The Germans flew a big Nato Airbus A400 transport in, but that was it. Only 3 of the 4 large exhibit halls were open, and there were fewer rows in the ones that were open than in past years. It was hot and very humid most of the week, with lots of smoke from Canadian wildfires making for almost IFR haze. I had that all the way home. We had the requisite OSH thunderstorms, which pretty much came at night, but not too soggy on the field, and no damage.

 

Since I flew my Tri-Q2 in for the first time I went very early, the Thursday before, so as to avoid the traffic. I came in maybe 1 hour after the field opened with pink shirt controllers. The traffic was still the conga line even then, but I had a couple miles of spacing. Nevertheless there is always something. There was an RV in front of me as we were landing on 18. The basic idea is to fly downwind to remain short of the tower (blue dot) then turn base and final to land. I hear on the tower frequency “Are you going to call my base?” coming from the RV in front of me. No answer, so the next thing I see is he has made a 180 and is flying back towards me on downwind. I know there is no one close behind me so I made a sharp descending left 360 and when I am able to see him again, he has found the base, and I have spacing, so I continue the downwind, base and land on 18. The tower said nothing to either one of us during this, so I guess they did not see it or thought “no harm, no foul”. Shortly after touching down, I hear the controller say “welcome to Sun and Fun” and then catch himself and correct to Oshkosh. Oh well, I guess we were all finding our sea legs. My landing pattern looked like this on Flightaware.

I had a buddy texting me asking why I did a snap roll on downwind. These Quickies can make a tight turn!

 

I camped in homebuilt camping for the first time. It is a little noisier than other places I have camped on the field in the past, but there was a lot of good conversation and camaraderie. I was surrounded by RV’s and for most of the week I had the only Quickie of any flavor on the field. Matthew Curcio from California came through for one day flying his Q200 and had his new bride with him, and that was the only other Q to show. He says they have a house near John Wayne airport and he commutes with his Q200 to Mojave to work every day. He said he put 1200 hours on it in the last two years. Jerry and Nancy Marstall drove in with their motorhome, so we palled around a bit during the week. Keith Welsh probably thought I was stalking him, since I kept running into him all over the place.

 

When I pulled in on Thursday, the coordinator of the homebuilt showcase asked me if I wanted to fly in the air show on Tuesday. I said yes and after some paperwork and a briefing which included all the “bigs” in the airshow world, I felt pretty pumped to fly my little Quickie in the big show! We fly a take off pass along the crowd, then another pass at 500 and then land on the parallel. It was a blast. Found a video online that includes the whole show, but if you hit the link below it should start in the middle with my take off roll (if not, go to 2:00:46 and start). I has only my takeoff pass, but is a good look. So lots of people along the flight line got to ask each other “What is that thing???”

 

https://youtu.be/qPNKXh9zlEQ?t=7246

 

Had a Quickie get together at the Homebuilder back porch on Wednesday morning and had a good crowd of the about 7-8 of the regulars and a few others who were curious about the type (airplane that is). The only other one that flew a homebuilt in was Keith Welsh but he scooted in in his Thorp T-18. We all chatted for an hour or so and then wandered off to see all of the rest of the goodies.

 

I had my Q judged and made it pretty far into the competition, since I had a visit late in the week with a couple golf carts full of judges who pawed over it for 15 minutes or so while I talked as fast as I could. i had total of 13 judges initials on my prop card, but I did not walk away with any hardware. Was a good experience though.

 

My other flights to and from were typical cross country flights.  I managed to have gusty cross winds on almost all landings, so I got better at that. My engine is much peppier when I am not flying at 6000’ DA and higher that is the norm out here. I got off shorter, climbed faster and burned lots more fuel! I don’t see how you people can breathe down there near sea level!

 

Coming and going, I flew 1100 miles each way, at MSL cruising altitudes from below 2000’ to 12500’ and my little Q averaged 160 mph TAS on less than 7 gph (better at higher altitude), so am very happy with that. Great little airplanes, these Q’s. Good cross country platforms and fun to fly. You Just don’t have much cargo space 😊, but we have UPS for that.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 176 hours

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