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Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Robert Cringely
 

I'm in Santa Rosa, CA but we are hoping to move shortly to escape the fires (we lost our home in 2017) so airplane progress is halting at best. Hopefully we'll end up near San Luis Obispo on the central coast where I have a flying job (I commute in my Thorp T-18).



On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 9:10 AM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Hi Bob!  Where are you located?
Bruce


On Sep 16, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Robert Cringely <bob@...> wrote:


Thanks! I’m using a no-name 680cc aluminum air-cooled V2 diesel to which I am adding a tiny turbocharger and intercooler. What’s changed since you looked is probably direct injection. Engine weight is around 50kg. I’m adding a belt drive from Ace Redrives in India. It’s 1:1 because I don’t need a slower prop but I do need to raise the thrust line and to isolate the prop loads from the mystery metal Chinese crankshaft. I’m probably a year from flying, by which time I will have replaced most of the airframe with vacuum-bagged pre-preg. It’s not carbon or glass — it’s flax fiber, which fits right between e-glass and s-glass in performance, with a little Coremat added for stiffness. 

Bob

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 8:16 AM Hot Wings via groups.io <bd5er=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What diesel engine are you considering?  I looked at the V-twin Chinese diesels more than a decade ago and discarded the idea as not practical.
There are some interesting marine 2 stroke diesel development projects nearing market introduction that may provide some of us with a 100LL option.

Look up Alan Thayer (sp) in the archives.  He had an LS-1 canard designed using Graphlite rods.Attached is a *.ZIP file of some of his work.  Graphlite is no longer a practical source of carbon rods for us as they are quite unwilling to sell rolled lengths of material.  The Chinese suppliers are willing and at a considerable savings in cost.  Preliminary tests have indicated the quality/strength is as good as the US sourced material.




Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Bruce Crain
 

Hi Bob!  Where are you located?
Bruce


On Sep 16, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Robert Cringely <bob@...> wrote:


Thanks! I’m using a no-name 680cc aluminum air-cooled V2 diesel to which I am adding a tiny turbocharger and intercooler. What’s changed since you looked is probably direct injection. Engine weight is around 50kg. I’m adding a belt drive from Ace Redrives in India. It’s 1:1 because I don’t need a slower prop but I do need to raise the thrust line and to isolate the prop loads from the mystery metal Chinese crankshaft. I’m probably a year from flying, by which time I will have replaced most of the airframe with vacuum-bagged pre-preg. It’s not carbon or glass — it’s flax fiber, which fits right between e-glass and s-glass in performance, with a little Coremat added for stiffness. 

Bob

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 8:16 AM Hot Wings via groups.io <bd5er=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What diesel engine are you considering?  I looked at the V-twin Chinese diesels more than a decade ago and discarded the idea as not practical.
There are some interesting marine 2 stroke diesel development projects nearing market introduction that may provide some of us with a 100LL option.

Look up Alan Thayer (sp) in the archives.  He had an LS-1 canard designed using Graphlite rods.Attached is a *.ZIP file of some of his work.  Graphlite is no longer a practical source of carbon rods for us as they are quite unwilling to sell rolled lengths of material.  The Chinese suppliers are willing and at a considerable savings in cost.  Preliminary tests have indicated the quality/strength is as good as the US sourced material.




Field Of Dreams

Bruce Crain
 

And so it begins! Dave’s alien gift from Orange is still up and looking for Dave and bunch! And Honey Lamb is excited to see everybody to!

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Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Robert Cringely
 

Thanks! I’m using a no-name 680cc aluminum air-cooled V2 diesel to which I am adding a tiny turbocharger and intercooler. What’s changed since you looked is probably direct injection. Engine weight is around 50kg. I’m adding a belt drive from Ace Redrives in India. It’s 1:1 because I don’t need a slower prop but I do need to raise the thrust line and to isolate the prop loads from the mystery metal Chinese crankshaft. I’m probably a year from flying, by which time I will have replaced most of the airframe with vacuum-bagged pre-preg. It’s not carbon or glass — it’s flax fiber, which fits right between e-glass and s-glass in performance, with a little Coremat added for stiffness. 

Bob

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 8:16 AM Hot Wings via groups.io <bd5er=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
What diesel engine are you considering?  I looked at the V-twin Chinese diesels more than a decade ago and discarded the idea as not practical.
There are some interesting marine 2 stroke diesel development projects nearing market introduction that may provide some of us with a 100LL option.

Look up Alan Thayer (sp) in the archives.  He had an LS-1 canard designed using Graphlite rods.Attached is a *.ZIP file of some of his work.  Graphlite is no longer a practical source of carbon rods for us as they are quite unwilling to sell rolled lengths of material.  The Chinese suppliers are willing and at a considerable savings in cost.  Preliminary tests have indicated the quality/strength is as good as the US sourced material.


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Hot Wings
 

What diesel engine are you considering?  I looked at the V-twin Chinese diesels more than a decade ago and discarded the idea as not practical.
There are some interesting marine 2 stroke diesel development projects nearing market introduction that may provide some of us with a 100LL option.

Look up Alan Thayer (sp) in the archives.  He had an LS-1 canard designed using Graphlite rods.Attached is a *.ZIP file of some of his work.  Graphlite is no longer a practical source of carbon rods for us as they are quite unwilling to sell rolled lengths of material.  The Chinese suppliers are willing and at a considerable savings in cost.  Preliminary tests have indicated the quality/strength is as good as the US sourced material.


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Robert Cringely
 

Thanks for these files. I won't be using the Q200 spars or, frankly, any recognizable internal bits. All I really need is the wing shape. I'm building wet wings for my turbo-diesel Q1 with the idea that maybe I'll set a record or two...


On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:30 AM Hot Wings via groups.io <bd5er=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Forgot to mention that finding/making cores cores is not going to be the problem. 
The Q-1 LS-1 uses the same spar as the Q-200, just a different part of them.  I've been away from the Q world so long I don't know if the reproductions are still available.


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Hot Wings
 

Forgot to mention that finding/making cores cores is not going to be the problem. 
The Q-1 LS-1 uses the same spar as the Q-200, just a different part of them.  I've been away from the Q world so long I don't know if the reproductions are still available.


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Hot Wings
 

Quickie LS-1 templates CAD generated via TurboCad many years ago:
BTW the CAD files posted on the old site  were scanned from my work, by another, and are NOT true to the original.


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

David J. Gall
 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cringely
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 6:20 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

 

How does one get Q1 LS canard cores? I'm rebuilding my Q1 and would love to switch.

 

Bob

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chris Walterson <dkeats@...> wrote:

  Eugen--------------  Watching the video on Terry Crouchs' airplane he
mentions he has the LS canard. That would be the way I would go if doing
it over.  I made the GU perform with the addition of VGs, but I think
Terry had the right idea.

  As for brake lines and brakes, the original  scrubbers are real weak. 
I would use drum brakes and  route out a slot down the entire canard
about 3/4 inch deep. Install some oversized plastic tubing and micro and
foam it in place. Doing this allows you to remove and replace any
Nyloseal that may fail. You could also run hydraulic lines in the larger
tube if you choose.  take care------------  Chris


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Re: Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Jim Patillo
 

Hey Terry,

Nice seeing your smiling’ face. I didn’t do the Zoom but did watch it on You Tube. Your airplane is still looking pristine. Cruise on my friend! 

Best,
Jim
N46JP


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Robert Cringely
 

How does one get Q1 LS canard cores? I'm rebuilding my Q1 and would love to switch.

Bob



On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chris Walterson <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Eugen--------------  Watching the video on Terry Crouchs' airplane he
mentions he has the LS canard. That would be the way I would go if doing
it over.  I made the GU perform with the addition of VGs, but I think
Terry had the right idea.

  As for brake lines and brakes, the original  scrubbers are real weak. 
I would use drum brakes and  route out a slot down the entire canard
about 3/4 inch deep. Install some oversized plastic tubing and micro and
foam it in place. Doing this allows you to remove and replace any
Nyloseal that may fail. You could also run hydraulic lines in the larger
tube if you choose.  take care------------  Chris


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Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Chris Walterson
 

Eugen--------------  Watching the video on Terry Crouchs' airplane he mentions he has the LS canard. That would be the way I would go if doing it over.  I made the GU perform with the addition of VGs, but I think Terry had the right idea.

 As for brake lines and brakes, the original  scrubbers are real weak.  I would use drum brakes and  route out a slot down the entire canard about 3/4 inch deep. Install some oversized plastic tubing and micro and foam it in place. Doing this allows you to remove and replace any Nyloseal that may fail. You could also run hydraulic lines in the larger tube if you choose.  take care------------  Chris


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Re: Field Of Dreams

Bruce Crain
 

Yes to camping and yes to shower with bathroom.  So bring it on Mark! Could you text me your n number and arrival time?  My cell is 580-478-3670.
Thank you
Bruce Crain


On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:40 PM, allen relseg via groups.io <mrelseg@...> wrote:


Did someone say we could tent camp at the airport??
Does the FBO have shower? 
Mark (ohio)

On Sunday, September 12, 2021, 09:33:34 PM EDT, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


Say folks could you text me your arrival time here in Enid FOD? 
My cell phone is +15804783670
Thank you!
Bruce Crain
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Re: Field Of Dreams

allen relseg
 

Did someone say we could tent camp at the airport??
Does the FBO have shower? 
Mark (ohio)

On Sunday, September 12, 2021, 09:33:34 PM EDT, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


Say folks could you text me your arrival time here in Enid FOD? 
My cell phone is +15804783670
Thank you!
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Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Bruce Crain
 

Second the motion.  The ayes have it!
Bruce


On Sep 14, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:


An Amen on Paul's comment.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 8:53 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
None.  I ran brake lines and pitot line down the elevator slot core.  They don't weaken the canard structure and you can always inspect the lines by removing the elevators. 

Just my $0.02.

Paul

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 07:34 Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...> wrote:
Dear Q-Team,

in the next step I would like to cut out the canard and wing units based on the blue foam.

Which further openings in the wings or canard from your personal experience you would place? For braking lines? For wiring? In which position you would place the further openings? 

I would like to benefit from your experience and introduce the right openings in the wing and the canard right from the start. 

Please find below some short cuts from the foam cut software whiteout any additional openings in the canard (Bl10 to BL10).

Best regards 

Eugen 





Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Jerry Marstall
 

An Amen on Paul's comment.


On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 8:53 AM Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
None.  I ran brake lines and pitot line down the elevator slot core.  They don't weaken the canard structure and you can always inspect the lines by removing the elevators. 

Just my $0.02.

Paul

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 07:34 Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...> wrote:
Dear Q-Team,

in the next step I would like to cut out the canard and wing units based on the blue foam.

Which further openings in the wings or canard from your personal experience you would place? For braking lines? For wiring? In which position you would place the further openings? 

I would like to benefit from your experience and introduce the right openings in the wing and the canard right from the start. 

Please find below some short cuts from the foam cut software whiteout any additional openings in the canard (Bl10 to BL10).

Best regards 

Eugen 



Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Paul Fisher
 

None.  I ran brake lines and pitot line down the elevator slot core.  They don't weaken the canard structure and you can always inspect the lines by removing the elevators. 

Just my $0.02.

Paul

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 07:34 Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...> wrote:
Dear Q-Team,

in the next step I would like to cut out the canard and wing units based on the blue foam.

Which further openings in the wings or canard from your personal experience you would place? For braking lines? For wiring? In which position you would place the further openings? 

I would like to benefit from your experience and introduce the right openings in the wing and the canard right from the start. 

Please find below some short cuts from the foam cut software whiteout any additional openings in the canard (Bl10 to BL10).

Best regards 

Eugen 



Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Eugen Pilarski
 

Dear Q-Team,

in the next step I would like to cut out the canard and wing units based on the blue foam.

Which further openings in the wings or canard from your personal experience you would place? For braking lines? For wiring? In which position you would place the further openings? 

I would like to benefit from your experience and introduce the right openings in the wing and the canard right from the start. 

Please find below some short cuts from the foam cut software whiteout any additional openings in the canard (Bl10 to BL10).

Best regards 

Eugen 



Re: Reminder: Saturday's Q-Tour featuring Terry Crouch September 11. 0900

Chris Walterson
 

Terry----------  Didn't get to join in the presentation, but did watch it and enjoyed it.

  I had built the Super Quickie and although it was quick, it sure didn't have your fuel burn.

   Nice job.-------  Chris-------------  Oh ya----------  Passed my final Saturday. Now I can sleep


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Re: Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Bruce Crain
 

First rate Terry!  Lots of great workmanship an (‘scuse me) mods!
Bruce


On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Great intro to your beautiful, still new looking, Q, Terry!  Thanks for relenting to Sam’s pressure to do this. I may have an alternative engine option for you, and no, no one has heard of this one or mentioned it to you, guaranteed. Contact me offline and I will bring you up to speed. (no pun intended). Hope to see you in Enid.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:00 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

 

Thanks Terry.  And thanks for the surprise footage.

https://youtu.be/Mb7zIJCaBJs



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