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Kevin Boddicker
 

I too made it home about 12:30.
Nice tail wind first leg. Great tailwind second leg.
That means a crosswind at home. Managed that too.

Thanks to B,J for their hospitality again!
6.2 hours to Enid. 4.7 hours home.
Both ways, the last hour and a half was fairly rough air. No hill for a climber though!

Hope to see everyone next year!

Kevin


Re: Field Of Dreams 2021

 

Made it home. Touched down at 1530est at HUF, Terre Haute, IN. Very nice weekend thanks Bruce and honey lamb. They did a great job hosting and taking care of us. Really nice seeing those who’s names are all I knew of them. And especially glad to have a chat via face time with our founder Jimmy. Your lookin good Jim, wish you could have been there.
Glad I was able to attend.
Keith

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Subject: [Q-List] Field Of Dreams 2021
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:39:13 -0500

Hanger full of FOD 2021 in the hanger that hosted the Vance 80th Anniversary!
Also high time Sammy Hoskins over 2000 hrs!

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Re: Field Of Dreams 2021

Jon Finley
 

And a couple photos of the awards banquet.





Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Field Of Dreams 2021

Jon Finley
 

I made it home - Yay! 
Trip home was into the wind, of course. Slowest ground speed seen was 125kts, best was 158kts. Still not a fan of headwind but it doesn't seem to matter, it finds me anyway.  Made a quick stop at Tucumcari, NM for fuel and spent a good part of the trip pretty low to avoid the wind. Managed to purge 7,296 airborne bugs from along the the route.

A few photos for all to enjoy...

Kevin's arrival:


A few photos of the Dave Dugas rescue. He started his drive east to MA late afternoon on Saturday. Last I heard, he was making good progress.











Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Vance Bash!

Frankenbird Vern
 

 I'll be sure to take my hat and coffee cup to the Lazy B up in Everett. Keep in mind the reason for all them overtime hours is to complete all here other than the aircraft..and then they also. Thank you two for hosting the FOD.  
 Frankenbird will come to fruition. 

 Here's the nose art I will airbrush in on the cowling..you have to visualize a pair of white wings on Ol Frankies back.. I already have this transfer to work from in my build kit. 

  


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 10:44 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Vance Bash!
 
Thanks for coming Vern!  It was a great bunch to hang out with and trade ideas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 10:51 PM, smeshno1@... wrote:
>
> Looks like y'all had a great time. Very good to chat with everyone, hope all safe travels. Looks like a front will be moving through Tuesday night. Al..send some photos of your project when you can. It's always good when that connection is made to your dream
> Vern


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Re: Vance Bash!

Bruce Crain
 

Thanks for coming Vern! It was a great bunch to hang out with and trade ideas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb
On Sep 17, 2021, at 10:51 PM, smeshno1@... wrote:

Looks like y'all had a great time. Very good to chat with everyone, hope all safe travels. Looks like a front will be moving through Tuesday night. Al..send some photos of your project when you can. It's always good when that connection is made to your dream
Vern

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Re: Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Jerry Marstall
 

Sometimes it is worth the money.
We have family here today. I'll catch up with you later. J

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 10:21 PM Terry Crouch via groups.io <Q1terryMDT=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Jerry,

He may not have been pretty but he was cheap :)  I'll try and call you tomorrow, we can cry in our beer that we missed another fly in.

Terry




-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 7:51 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Thanks Terry,
Really enjoyed your presentation.
Could you get a little better-looking camera person next time?
Jerry
 
 
From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 8:00 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!
 
Thanks Terry.  And thanks for the surprise footage.

https://youtu.be/Mb7zIJCaBJs


Re: Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Terry Crouch
 

Wasn't for the list. oh well.


-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Crouch via groups.io <Q1terryMDT@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2021 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Hi Jerry,

He may not have been pretty but he was cheap :)  I'll try and call you tomorrow, we can cry in our beer that we missed another fly in.

Terry




-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 7:51 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Thanks Terry,
Really enjoyed your presentation.
Could you get a little better-looking camera person next time?
Jerry
 
 
From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 8:00 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!
 
Thanks Terry.  And thanks for the surprise footage.

https://youtu.be/Mb7zIJCaBJs


Re: Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Terry Crouch
 

Hi Jerry,

He may not have been pretty but he was cheap :)  I'll try and call you tomorrow, we can cry in our beer that we missed another fly in.

Terry




-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 7:51 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!

Thanks Terry,
Really enjoyed your presentation.
Could you get a little better-looking camera person next time?
Jerry
 
 
From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 8:00 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Terry Crouch's Quickie video is uploaded to You Tube!
 
Thanks Terry.  And thanks for the surprise footage.

https://youtu.be/Mb7zIJCaBJs


Sammy’s fast Q200!

Bruce Crain
 

Fastest Q200 on the planet! Sammy Hoskins!
Bruce


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Field Of Dreams 2021

Bruce Crain
 

Hanger full of FOD 2021 in the hanger that hosted the Vance 80th Anniversary!
Also high time Sammy Hoskins over 2000 hrs!

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Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Frankenbird Vern
 

 I own one of the Chinese diesel generator/welders. I think I've shorted out the powerhead by pushing my luck on a longer weld bead than it could withstand, but the engine is near perfect. Less than 100 hours on the Hobbs.

 One of the thoughts I have had for an alternative engine (for the Q1) is incorporating the Austenitic Cast Iron method that (the late) Pete Plumb had the supply chain worked out for the Pegasus O-100 engine. No Chinese mystery metals.   

 For those not aware..ALL new large Diesel Semi tractor engines, which are compound supercharged and feedback injection controlled (made in the USA) now use this process for all crankshafts with WIDE radii. Along with powdered metal valve seats and high temp (inconel) valves these engines reliably perform well into the 1 million miles plus. With the correct combinations and sources (domestic as much as possible) then such powerplants should be reasonably available. We already know the Briggs Vanguard make an excellent durable racing engine, but of course gasoline fueled. Hmm..  

   My Dad and Grandfather both were talented machinists, both in profession and as sideline income (especially my Grandfather who was a gearhead before we even know what that is). I learned a little from them, NOT at the level they were, but what I did gain was a geeky interest in powerplant metallurgy and engine design. 
 
 I know..I am weird that don't care a bit about football or baskeball games.  Maybe I am in the right group! 

 The 1.9 VW Turbo Diesel rods are the correct length stock for a 2850cc Corvair. Only the rod bearing diameter is a bit larger. The pistons are a match to the cylinders. Smaller (not performance 2.02") Chevy Small block valves are the correct diameter and stem is the same as Vair (11/32"). I tested this concept by using a decent set of 1963 heads I have. If the chambers were reworked to an indirect Diesel config, the valve stem length fits exactly. 

 I have a new in the box pickled Bosch indirect injection 6 cylinder pump.  No carb ice if there is no carb.

  I ran an 1981 VW Rabbit diesel Caddy (small truck) that I inserted a later 1.9 Turbo D. I drove that lil truck all over the States for a decade on Straight Vegetable Oil, mostly based in New Mexico. I drove that same VW to and from Everett and Taos County several times at a cost of about $25 ($31.50 if you included the McD's Happy meal purchased in Provo).  That 1.9 TD (non electronic) in a lightweight truck ran up the pass in Utah, Orgeon, and Washington without any effort.  By tuning down the injection (very easy to do) my fuel consumption would be at or just under 60 mpg. 

 I start up and shut down on Bio-D (which I made in my shop when I was home). One refuel required from Everett to Taos.... and my fuel was from Albertsons or Krogers (gallon bottle of cheepo veggie oil). I'd leave the truck running, lock the doors, and folks around the truck would get the munchies because it smelled exactly french fries cooking. Added HHO injection too, and that made a big difference in the 1.9L D.   No terrible diesel smoke or smell.  HHO made it run near zero idle knock. Done a bit of experimenting with HHO. Interesting stuff.  

 You see what kind of mad scientist will build a Frankenbird and intends to FLY in it?    

My wife hated the truck..no air conditioning. Of all places the white rabbit truck (with pink colored eyes!) now lives in Orlando Florida.       

 Vern


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut
 

That’s one more coincidence. I knew Leeon Davis and his family in Midland TX, and Stanley Davis, Leeon’s brother, is the one who taught me to fly. I love that little boxy DA-2. It got more sleek as it evolved into the DA-5, which Leeon had plans get manufactured as a trainer, but alas, that never happened.  You should come to Enid this weekend, we probably would have a lot to talk about.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cringely
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:00 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

 

I wasn’t aware of that. I also have a Davis DA-2A. 

 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 9:45 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Wow Bob,

 

You and Keith W. are like twins! Each of you with a T-18 and a Q1. What are the odds of that, I wonder?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cringely
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

 

I'm in Santa Rosa, CA but we are hoping to move shortly to escape the fires (we lost our home in 2017) so airplane progress is halting at best. Hopefully we'll end up near San Luis Obispo on the central coast where I have a flying job (I commute in my Thorp T-18).

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 9:10 AM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Hi Bob!  Where are you located?

Bruce

 

On Sep 16, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Robert Cringely <bob@...> wrote:



Thanks! I’m using a no-name 680cc aluminum air-cooled V2 diesel to which I am adding a tiny turbocharger and intercooler. What’s changed since you looked is probably direct injection. Engine weight is around 50kg. I’m adding a belt drive from Ace Redrives in India. It’s 1:1 because I don’t need a slower prop but I do need to raise the thrust line and to isolate the prop loads from the mystery metal Chinese crankshaft. I’m probably a year from flying, by which time I will have replaced most of the airframe with vacuum-bagged pre-preg. It’s not carbon or glass — it’s flax fiber, which fits right between e-glass and s-glass in performance, with a little Coremat added for stiffness. 

 

Bob

 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 8:16 AM Hot Wings via groups.io <bd5er=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

What diesel engine are you considering?  I looked at the V-twin Chinese diesels more than a decade ago and discarded the idea as not practical.
There are some interesting marine 2 stroke diesel development projects nearing market introduction that may provide some of us with a 100LL option.

Look up Alan Thayer (sp) in the archives.  He had an LS-1 canard designed using Graphlite rods.Attached is a *.ZIP file of some of his work.  Graphlite is no longer a practical source of carbon rods for us as they are quite unwilling to sell rolled lengths of material.  The Chinese suppliers are willing and at a considerable savings in cost.  Preliminary tests have indicated the quality/strength is as good as the US sourced material.

 


Re: Vance Bash!

Frankenbird Vern
 

Looks like y'all had a great time. Very good to chat with everyone, hope all safe travels. Looks like a front will be moving through Tuesday night. Al..send some photos of your project when you can. It's always good when that connection is made to your dream
Vern


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Vance Bash!
 
‘Xtra special!



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Vance Bash!

Bruce Crain
 

‘Xtra special!



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Friday morning FOD

Bruce Crain
 

Just getting a good start! More to show up by Saturday! The stage and dance floor and tables for the Vance 80 year anniversary tonight (Friday)! I’ll be bustin’ mah “groove” tonight for everybody!
Bruce and Honey Lamb Imraan and Rachel

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Rough RIVER Rough RIVER Rough RIVER!!!!!

Ryszard Zadow
 


We’re a week away from the best Canard Fly-In ever!


Rough River Canard Fly-in, September 24 – 26.

Several of us will be there on the 22nd and launching formation sorties that day and through the weekend. Those interested in learning and flying formation are welcome to attend.

Jim Springer will be host a briefing on formation flying and the FFI program on Saturday at 10 am in the airport tent.

The Lodge Restaurant is OPEN but TAKE OUT ONLY! Check the State Park website for more info on Covid restrictions. Outdoors, ie at the airport, there are none!   https://parks.ky.gov/falls-rough/parks/resort/rough-river-dam-state-resort-park

If the lodge has no rooms try the motel across the road:     https://www.stclairmotorlodge.com/

 

Saturday Entertainment in the airport tent:

10 am: Flying Formation and the FFI program: Jim Springer.

4 pm: Annual Meeting/Auction/Door Prizes.

7 pm: Presentation on the RAFE VariViggen progress and it’s Jetguys custom cold air induction!

Long range forecast looks great with clear skies, highs in the low 70’s and lows in the 50’s! Bring a sweatshirt!

Please pass the word to other Canard Groups, but everyone is welcome!



On Friday, September 10, 2021, 08:20:38 AM CDT, Terry Schubert <jschuber@...> wrote:


Hi Ryszard,
 
That is an excellent idea.  I've done the master switch goof before.  Put me down for $100 in the name of Central States Association toward what tools that are needed  I just need to know who's name goes on it?
 
 
Terry Schubert
Central States Association Newsletter Editor Emeritus.

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From: "KEN4ZZ via groups.io" <ken4zz@...>
To: canard-aviators@canardzone.groups.io
Subject: Re: [c-a] Rough River 2021
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 12:53:15 -0500

Ya' know, it recently occurred to me that a 12 volt battery charger of useful amperage (not a small wall wart type trickle charger) might help get someone home.  Anyone who's upgraded to lithium batteries or a modern smart charger have an old regular one cluttering up their hangar?  Forgetting to switch off the battery master is another one of those "there are those who have and those who will" predicaments. 

Ken

On 8/23/2021 1:41 PM, Ryszard Zadow wrote:

The "Get You Home" box. Rutan Aircraft Flying Experience is sponsoring a foot locker of spares that might be just what someone needs to get them home. The park has agreed to give us a space to store this box so spares are available year round. So far we have: 
 
Nose wheel tire and wheel. 
Lamb tire, tube and wheel 
5 inch tire, tube and wheel. 
A couple spare spark plugs. REM-40E and REM-38
 
We'll also come up with some basic tools. Anyone have other ideas or parts they'd like to contribute please let us know. 
 
Ryszard


Re: Enid Brewery FOD!!!

Anthony P
 

Thanks for the much needed update Keith!

Tell Dave D. to freakin' call me.

Have a great time everyone.


Re: Enid Brewery FOD!!!

 

Good morning everyone,
Just going through my emails I noticed there was not a showing of those who arrived yesterday. 
So I’ll do my best here.
 
Flying in were:
Kevin Boddicker with his great TriQ 200
Roddy Herzog in his beautiful Cozy
John Finley in that fancy lookin RV4
Keith Welsh in my yaller Thorp T18
Dave Dougas with his OSH winning Q2.  Dave made it to within 80 or so miles of Enid.  His airplane is setting quietly in a hangar awaiting transportation home.  It appears the Revmaster experienced a major malfunction which resulted in a forced landing. He and Roddy were traveling together and
Charlie Sky Dog Johnson in his TriPacer.
 
Driving in together were Phil Lankford and John Hoxie from the San Diego area.
There was also CA gentleman, Allan, Adam, Andrew, Aaron, whatever, who is building a Dragonfly.
and of course our host Bruce and honey lamb (still don’t know her name). 

I apologize if I missed anyone or spelled a name wrong. 
The weather here is great, warm but not really hot hot. 
And naturally we’re hoping for several arrivals today.
 
Thanks for your time.
 Keith


---------- Original Message ----------
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Subject: [Q-List] Enid Brewery FOD!!!
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 18:28:18 -0500

Chowing down at Enid Brewery with all kinds of Kraft beer and Root Beer Floats sandwiches and lots of great eats!
Bruce


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Re: Wasn't meant to be

Jerry Marstall
 

Been there. Done that 


On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 8:50 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
You need to move out here, Jerry ;-)

Cheers,
Jay 


On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:



  Even if I was still planning to be at FOD, it wouldn’t have happened.  Weather!!!  Can’t get out and wouldn’t have be able to get back.  There is always next year.  Everybody, get your shots.

Jerry


Re: Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

David J. Gall
 

Ha-ha! Touche! Yes, of course you are right. Not owning a -18°C freezer, I was thinking of room temperature cure low-vacuum consolidation to achieve ~50% resin content, not prepreg…. I can’t wait to see your finished bird!

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cringely
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 2:48 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

 

That may all be true, but the nature of composite aircraft is that they are vastly overbuilt simply because building to the strength requirements alone yields a structure that is too fragile -- too susceptible to hangar rash. A ply is a ply and while it would be ideal to use 0.8  plies or 1.2 plies, in the end we use two or three. So your fiber may be superior to my fiber, but they are both good enough. Here I have locally-sourced pre-preg that has good (not great) characteristics plus the very real advantage of 45 percent resin content. Build it from your stuff and it won't be any stronger or lighter by the time it gets in service.

 

Thirty years ago I worked with Martin Hollmann who did the structural designs of all the Lancairs up through the L-IVP. A guy wanted to fly his Lancair 320 around the world so he asked Martin to take as much weight out of the kit as possible. This meant moving to S-glass and changing both ply schedules and core materials. We took more than 200 lbs out of that L-320. The service limits were lowered a little but it was still plenty strong. But the builder decided against it when we explained typical hangar rash could compromise his fuel tanks. REAL WORLD composite design comes down to such things and in that real world high-crystalline cellulose or flax don't make a difference.

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM David J. Gall <David@...> wrote:

Flax is inferior to highly-crystalline cellulose fiber for exactly the reasons mentioned below. Highly-crystalline cellulose fiber is nearly equivalent to E-glass in all respects except weight -- glass is much heavier -- and in sanding -- glass is itchier. Highly-crystalline cellulose fiber is mechanically derived from what would otherwise be wastes generated in lumber processing industries and is marketed worldwide under the trade name BioMid by Gordon Shank consulting. The roving is used as twine (you know it must be inexpensive!) in the hydroponics industry so availability will persist for a long time for numerous reasons. BioMid is available woven into cloth in the US from Absecon Mills and in Europe from FRP Services & Co (France).



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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob de Bie
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:04 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 Canard and wing foam cut

Bob, when you mentioned flax fibers I peaked my ears! I've worked a bit with flax composites some 15 years ago. Is the material mature enough to use in an aircraft? I remember problems like no suitable sizings being available to optimize fiber-resin adhesion, moisture content during curing leading to degraded resin adhesion & quality, and moisture absorption during use leading to lower properties.
Sounded to me like it would a lot more development before it would be safe to fly. But it was 15 years ago.

I also remember reading in an eighties issue of 'Homebuilt aircraft' magazine that hot-wet test specimens could be good indicator of the longer-term quality of the fiber-resin adhesion. Sounded reasonable to me.

Rob

On 16 Sep 2021 17:39, Robert Cringely wrote:
> Thanks! I’m using a no-name 680cc aluminum air-cooled V2 diesel to
> which I am adding a tiny turbocharger and intercooler. What’s changed
> since you looked is probably direct injection. Engine weight is around
> 50kg. I’m adding a belt drive from Ace Redrives in India. It’s 1:1
> because I don’t need a slower prop but I do need to raise the thrust
> line and to isolate the prop loads from the mystery metal Chinese
> crankshaft. I’m probably a year from flying, by which time I will have
> replaced most of the airframe with vacuum-bagged pre-preg. It’s not carbon or glass — it’s flax fiber, which fits right between e-glass and s-glass in performance, with a little Coremat added for stiffness.
>
> Bob
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 8:16 AM Hot Wings via groups.io
> <http://groups.io> <bd5er=aol.com@groups.io <mailto:aol.com@groups.io>> wrote:
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>     What diesel engine are you considering?  I looked at the V-twin Chinese diesels more than a
>     decade ago and discarded the idea as not practical.
>     There are some interesting marine 2 stroke diesel development projects nearing market
>     introduction that may provide some of us with a 100LL option.
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>     Look up Alan Thayer (sp) in the archives.  He had an LS-1 canard designed using Graphlite
>     rods.Attached is a *.ZIP file of some of his work.  Graphlite is no longer a practical source of
>     carbon rods for us as they are quite unwilling to sell rolled lengths of material.  The Chinese
>     suppliers are willing and at a considerable savings in cost.  Preliminary tests have indicated
>     the quality/strength is as good as the US sourced material.
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