Re: Firewall with no engine
I appreciate that point of view, Jim. I probably will do this less frequently once I know how things are wearing (like next year). When I do pull the engine, I take it off with the engine mount attached. All of the wiring to the engine remains intact and everything unplugs from the firewall. This is why it doesn’t take me long to remove and remount it. For now I am content with having a good look at things. For example, some things are impossible to see with the engine attached, such as the condition of rotor and distributor electrodes. Just too tight back there. A couple of hours of additional time on the annual is not a big commitment to be thorough.
Sometime, I hope you will get to see my installation. Perhaps I will make a trip your direction this fall.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 1:03 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Firewall with no engine
Jay,
I continually monitor everything visually and check the necessary torques and clearances as required but rarely have to pull the engine. You don’t pull your car engine every time you tune it .
Since you don’t have a lot of time on your engine, maybe you should pull it this time, check everything and skip removal on the next annual. It’s just your ass in the seat and you know about that stuff.
Make it a Great Day.
Jim N46JP Q200 From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Good point, Charlie. But I am not doing any fixing, just looking thoroughly and doing the necessary wear checking. My installation is a one-off, so I treat it like a prototype with respect to inspections.
Cheers, Jay
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Learned in England classified for 30 years, airlines learned again in the 70’s.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
But if it is a 30 year old oil line replace it!
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On Tuesday, October 5, 2021, 9:54 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Re: Firewall with no engine
Jay,
I continually monitor everything visually and check the necessary torques and clearances as required but rarely have to pull the engine. You don’t pull your car engine every time you tune it .
Since you don’t have a lot of time on your engine, maybe you should pull it this time, check everything and skip removal on the next annual. It’s just your ass in the seat and you know about that stuff.
Make it a Great Day.
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 10:43:14 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] Firewall with no engine Good point, Charlie. But I am not doing any fixing, just looking thoroughly and doing the necessary wear checking. My installation is a one-off, so I treat it like a prototype with respect to inspections.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Learned in England classified for 30 years, airlines learned again in the 70’s.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
But if it is a 30 year old oil line replace it!
Charlie
My you tube channel
On Tuesday, October 5, 2021, 9:54 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Re: Firewall with no engine
Great earth point Jay, wished I had done that. Rich T.
On 05/10/2021 18:43, Jay Scheevel
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Re: Firewall with no engine
Good point, Charlie. But I am not doing any fixing, just looking thoroughly and doing the necessary wear checking. My installation is a one-off, so I treat it like a prototype with respect to inspections.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 11:13 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Firewall with no engine
Learned in England classified for 30 years, airlines learned again in the 70’s.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
But if it is a 30 year old oil line replace it!
Charlie My you tube channel
On Tuesday, October 5, 2021, 9:54 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Re: Firewall with no engine
Learned in England classified for 30 years, airlines learned again in the 70’s.
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If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! But if it is a 30 year old oil line replace it!
On Tuesday, October 5, 2021, 9:54 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Firewall with no engine
I am into my annual this month. I have set up my engine so that it takes about 1 hour to remove and same to put it back on. I have removed it for 2 of my 3 annuals so far. I generally ask myself why I am doing this as I am removing it, but once I get it off, I feel much better about it, because I can get a really good look at everything on the back of the engine, thus a thorough inspection.
For some of you that saw my plane with the engine in place, here is what the firewall looks like without the engine.
Cheers, Jay Tri-Q2 N8WQ 190 hours.
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Re: Dark Past
Kevin fixed it:
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“Runner runner get-ur-done-er” Cheers, Jay
On Oct 4, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
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Re: Dark Past
J-Dubs
Missing the post accident fatality when their boss found out.
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Re: Dark Past
Kevin Boddicker
Runner, runner, chicken dinner.
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That makes no sense. Kevin
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Re: No Q-tour for October
Kevin Boddicker
Maybe we should do a live one.
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If I can get EVERYBODY up to DEH, I could have my annual condition inspection done in a weekend!! YA that’s it!! Kevin
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Dark Past
The N-number for my Tri-Q2 N8WQ has a bit of a dark past (# used to be on a Beech DH-50). Have a look under narrative section:
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No Q-tour for October
The Q-tour team is taking a rest this month. That is all. Sam
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Re: Quickie Q1 - Canard
David, thank you for taking time to throughly explain the process. Sam
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 7:14 PM David J. Gall <David@...> wrote:
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Re: Quickie Q1 - Canard
David J. Gall
Eugen,
Additional to my last note, see page 10-5. The aft “elevator slot cores” are also removed along the line 33-F-G-H-I-32 for the remainder of the canard beyond the center section, but only AFTER laying up the elevator slots with one BID at plus/minus 45°. This yields a 78” long piece that will be re-attached to the aft edge of the canard after the canard is glassed. Glassing the canard before reattaching this piece creates a shear web from tip to tip just ahead of the trailing edge (hinge line) of the canard. Re-attaching the “elevator slot cores” establishes the aerodynamic fairing of the canard to the elevators outboard of the fuselage, but is not needed internal to the fuselage.
-David
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eugen Pilarski
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 1:15 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 - Canard
Hello Q-Groupe, we are just about to cut the canard out of the foam. What is not clear to me at the moment is why the separation of the rear segments in the middle segment has to take place along line 33-F-G-H-32? For the part of the middle segment where it is connected to the fuselage it is clear, but beyond that? Attached is an excerpt. The page in the Plans ist 5 - 2.
Is it correct that the width of the middle segment is 42"?
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Re: Quickie Q1 - Canard
David J. Gall
Eugen,
Read the plans as though the following image is a single page. The first paragraph shown here refers to the LAST drawing shown here and a drawing not shown here that is at the bottom of page 5-3; by use of the word “faced” the authors mean the 1.2” dimension that causes the blocks to become parallelograms in top view. This paragraph also refers to the outboard canard cores that are shown on page 5-4 (not shown here).
You ask: “Is it correct that the width of the middle segment is 42"?” The answer is “NO.” The second paragraph shown here refers to the FIRST drawing shown here. This is the center section and is only 20” span (width).
These blocks are all made from 7” x 14” x 41” blocks that were supplied in the kit; there are extra lines on all these drawings that indicate the joints where blocks need to be glued together to achieve the needed block size before hot-wiring. If you are using source blocks of different sizes, your joint lines may differ, but I point this out to help eliminate the confusion that may be caused by these lines.
The third paragraph shown here has no associated drawing. The cut line 20-A-B-C-D-E-23 is shown on the hot-wire templates and should be self-explanatory.
The fourth paragraph shown here refers to additional drawings (not shown here) that appear on page 5-3.
Finally, the cut line 33-F-G-H-I-32 removes the aft part of the canard center section that will be contained entirely within the fuselage. The templates are the same as are used for the portions of the canard outboard of the fuselage thus requiring this aft part for aerodynamic and structural support of the elevators, but within the fuselage this part is not only not required but would interfere with the elevator control torque tubes if retained, so is cut off along the 33-F-G-H-I-32 line.
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eugen Pilarski
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 1:15 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Quickie Q1 - Canard
Hello Q-Groupe, we are just about to cut the canard out of the foam. What is not clear to me at the moment is why the separation of the rear segments in the middle segment has to take place along line 33-F-G-H-32? For the part of the middle segment where it is connected to the fuselage it is clear, but beyond that? Attached is an excerpt. The page in the Plans ist 5 - 2.
Is it correct that the width of the middle segment is 42"?
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Re: Quickie Q1 - Canard
I believe they have you wrap that with fiberglass sheet to create a spar and shear web.
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 3:15 AM Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...> wrote: Hello Q-Groupe,
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Quickie Q1 - Canard
Hello Q-Groupe,
we are just about to cut the canard out of the foam. What is not clear to me at the moment is why the separation of the rear segments in the middle segment has to take place along line 33-F-G-H-32? For the part of the middle segment where it is connected to the fuselage it is clear, but beyond that? Attached is an excerpt. The page in the Plans ist 5 - 2.
Is it correct that the width of the middle segment is 42"?
Best regards Eugen
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Re: New Group Member
Laminar flow separation bubble, VG’s disrupt this and are less drag than the separation bubble.
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On Friday, October 1, 2021, 11:17 PM, Brent Sherstan <brent.sherstan@...> wrote:
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Re: New Group Member
Brent Sherstan
That’s some great info. Thanks Chris!
Brent
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Re: New Group Member
Chris Walterson
Brent--------------- If you google " VGs placement on a Dragonfly" you should get some good information.
We had a fellow named Nathan Rambo that did some good testing on VGs. They apply to the Dragonfly and the Quickie. My VGs are from root to tip and they are spaced 4 inches between pairs. I think they are angled at 15 degrees to the wind. I had made a template with slots out of thick plastic to hold about ten pairs in place. Tape down the template, install some clear silicon on the Vg and slide it in place. Do ten pair at a time and then move on. These are the ones on my Super Quickie -- Take care------------- Chris -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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