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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jim Patillo
 

Hi Terry, welcome back.

The Airheart "go-cart" brakes you refer to have worked fine on my Q for 21 + years. I have dual "toe" brakes mounted on and above the rudder tubes. I believe there are some pictures in the files section. Toe brakes on this plane works great but like Paul said it's what you get use to (oh and they are a lot harder to install).🙂

Regards,
Jim
Q200 1808 hrs. Plane flies almost weekly.  

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:22 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
 

Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
 


Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Chris Walterson
 

Here's a picture of what I did.------------  Chris


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Re: "Build an airplane. Fly a dream."

 

Honestly Sam, the files section has been a wealth of knowledge for me. I wish for more information and maybe I should scan some of my original papers for the templates since they are "at size" I have both GU and some of the LS-1 template prints. I'm still sorting and hoping for viability on some of them. Previous owners have cut through some of the templates so I missed an edge or a corner. 


Re: "Build an airplane. Fly a dream."

Sam Hoskins
 

Michael. 

Thanks for your contribution. I have moved your promotional materials to the Files section of the Q-list and created a folder called "Quickie Aircraft Company Promotional Literature", or something like that.

BTW gang, there is a lot of good material in the Files section. It might be worth your while to browse through it once in a while and see the resources that we have there. I did spend a little time the other day trying to organize it a bit, but I'm still not finished.

As for today, I'm going flying.

Sam



On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 12:42 AM Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:
I've mentioned before that a key factor in purchasing my kit was that it met the FAA's Golden Standard...the weight of the paperwork equaled that of the plane! Recently, I began scanning in some of the original QAC promotional materials that Jim Porter saved and finally created an album to store them; I will add more as the project progresses. The photos are large; I opted for 300 DPI "archival" quality given how increasingly rare these things will likely become... Hope you enjoy this blast from the past and share your stories below!

Quickie Aircraft Corporation Promotional Materials

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Guess I would not make a good second for your duel…..better get Kevin!

 

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Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:03 PM
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Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Paul Fisher
 

Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.


On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Paul Fisher
 

I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success!

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Bruce Crain
 

Talk to Paul Fisher. He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking. When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles. Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
Thanks,
Terry O’Neill
Troneill@...





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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Terry,

Did you buy N131PS? If you are unfamiliar with the use of toe brakes on the Q200, I recommend that you stick with the brake system that is on that airplane. It has flow many years and hours with those brakes. Once you become familiar with the handling, then I would recommend you make a change to toe brakes.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrence ONeill
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 9:14 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
Thanks,
Terry O’Neill
Troneill@...


Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
 

Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
Thanks,
Terry O’Neill
Troneill@...


How add brake pedals to Q200?

Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
 


Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Richard Thomson
 

HaHa !!  It seems to have taken ages sorting the Snags and learning how to program the various system updates.

Just the Nav left to update, working out my Raster map from my vector map etc.  yep, homebuilts are never finished !!

Rich T.

On 03/11/2021 01:43, Bruce Crain wrote:

Looks fantastic Richard!  You  have obviously done your "homework"!
Bruce

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Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Bruce Crain
 

Looks fantastic Richard!  You  have obviously done your "homework"!
Bruce

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Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Frankenbird Vern
 

 That is really cool about the MPG feature! That alone is really useful for verification of aerodynamic improvements (to prove..did the mod do the trick or not).

 I do like the appearance too. Guess I'll have to go donate some more plasma since I have ultra rare COVID proof blood now (well..maybe
who really knows?).   Recovery from the bug in June of this year AND the Johnson Jab two weeks ago. 🙂   


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So much I could say but Honey Lamb is filtering me!
B

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Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Jon Finley
 

Hi Phil!

I'm pretty happy with the GRT products.  I know they ain't Garmin and there are some complaints about them (support response & EFIS menu 'friendliness') but all of my friends that have their products are satisfied. That was a big factor for me.  Someday it would be fun to have $75k for a panel upgrade (and $50k for paint and $15k for interior and....) but not there yet. ;-)

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Ya.. they don't like you flying around Los Alamos either. Strangest place I have ever been to. Like the Stepford Wives on steroids. The highest concentration of
 Piled Highers and Deepers in the USA!  (PhD). 

 Being a curious type, I went there for a job opening they had advertised..did all the tests..had a meeting with the 4 top geeks there and they told me I scored 
the highest score on the machinist aptitude testing they had.  That seems pretty funny to me because I consider myself to be the village idiot.  

I didn't get the job, and the reason was because they had a framed poster of Dr Oppenheimer and proclaiming he was a hero and all that stuff.  

I asked them "I wonder if the folks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would agree with that poster you fellas have there".  

It's was ok tho.. I didn't really want to drive up the hill and down in Winter anyway. Narrow road with no shoulders. Kinda steep too! I didn't see any Earthships 
in Los Alamos whereas ol Vern built his in Carson. Stepford Wives hitched up to Einstieners.  Now THAT is a Frankenbird!

 I love Oklahoma.  Good folks..  and they drink sweet tea without thinking it is odd 🙂 
 
 Southern part of NM is a lot different. I had a hell of a time keeping the Los and Las correct too Jon.  I like your panel. Pretty kewl!!

Vern   


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jon Finley <jd@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:47 AM
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Yes, correct - LAS Cruces - hard for me to keep the Los's and Las's straight.  I'm currently based at Truth or Consequences (TCS).

I'm over Alamo, NM often - part of my playground. Alamogordo, NM seems to be on another planet due to the huge restricted area that is so inconveniently located.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Bruce Crain
 

So much I could say but Honey Lamb is filtering me!
B

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Re: New Instrument Panel (non-Q)

Jon Finley
 

Hi Vern.  There is an audio output option with the GRT SportEX but I don't have it. I really can't tolerate something spoiling the great 70's/80's tunes that are blasting from my headset! :-)  The GRT EIS 4000 does not have an audio output (AFAIK). However; both have a 'warning light' output. In both cases, one sets all of your operating params and alarm points. When one is exceeded, the light flashes and the item that is out of bounds is displayed. You can acknowledge the alert and the light stops flashing but stays illuminated as long as the condition continues. My first iteration of this warning light was too much - scared me to death and nearly blinded me every time it was illuminated. My current iteration has been greatly toned down. Obviously it needs to attract your attention but causing a heart attack seemed excessive. Of course, one could always wire this output to a tone generator and do some interesting things.

I understand about the steam gauges - same for me.  I started flying with an EIS about ten years ago with my RV-3. It took a while but I eventually came to love the fact that it does all the scanning for you. Depending how vigilant the pilot is, that can greatly reduces workload. I quickly came to understand that it can do the job far better than I can so I'm happy to let it. That said, you can always watch those values if you like or if you are suspicious of something.  The following is one of the engine information pages on the SportEX - in flight. Lots of data there including percent power (51%), MPG, density altitude, and those neat EGT/CHT graphs. All of this data is also logged so you can take it to your PC and spend lots of time studying it.



Oh yes, have definitely been over Carson a few times! :-)

Bruce!  Your right!!  Just last night at about 2am I had to zip out to the hangar to fire up the panel. So much fun to see it twinkling in the moon light!! :-)

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4

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