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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Sam Hoskins
 

How about texting me?
618-967-0016

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021, 10:52 AM Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
Sam 
That. Would be great.
We just got back in Carlyle last night, and could drive down today, or when you suggest a time?
Terrence.


On Nov 6, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Terrance, I'm in Murphysboro, about an hour and a half south of Carlisle. You're welcome to come down and take a look at mine.

Sam

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 2:22 PM Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terrence ONeill
 

Sam 
That. Would be great.
We just got back in Carlyle last night, and could drive down today, or when you suggest a time?
Terrence.


On Nov 6, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Terrance, I'm in Murphysboro, about an hour and a half south of Carlisle. You're welcome to come down and take a look at mine.

Sam

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 2:22 PM Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Sam Hoskins
 

Terrance, I'm in Murphysboro, about an hour and a half south of Carlisle. You're welcome to come down and take a look at mine.

Sam

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 2:22 PM Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Q2 Revmaster P Leads

Dave Dugas
 

Kris
I'll have a look at mine and let you know what I find, now that I have the engine removed. I know it's a close fit and I haven't had any problem. I will let you know.  Dave D


On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 11:54 PM, Kris
<kristjanson.browne@...> wrote:
My 40 year old Q2 garage queen (not a hangar queen yet...) is ready to have it's spiffy recently rebuilt/upgraded Revmaster bolted onto the firewall so that I can fit all of the accessories etc. (YES, I've had this project since 1981 when I purchased the original kit from Stubbs Aero Products (Fred Stubbs) who received it via LeGare, NO, it's not done yet, YES, I plan to finish it...)

The motor's been attached before, but never with P Leads connected - I just received a marvelous pair of finely crafted round nut P leads from Bogert aviation built specifically for the Bendix D2000/3000 mags. QUESTION: there only seems to be a tad more than 3/8" clearance between the Bendix terminal posts and the rear face of the mag box in the firewall. The mag box was built according to the original plans and was installed around 20-25 years ago. The Bogert leads are relatively thin and flexible, but I fear - not THAT flexible, they'd get scrunched if I put this together as is. Richard Bogert isn't familiar with the Q birds, his comment (via email) was that that was a little too tight of a radius, not because of the shielded wire, rather, he's afraid that the solder joint at the ferrule would be compromised.

This cannot possibly be a 'new problem' that only I have seen. (!) Have any of you old school Q2/Revmaster artists 'been there' & 'done that' and fixed this issue a very long time ago? It's looking to me like the obvious answer is to do some cutting and remodelling of the rear face of the magneto box.

Kris


"Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terrence ONeill
 


Thanks for the great photo of brake pedals on the Q rudder tube-pedals.  I can make those after I take some measurements; my master cylinders  are different.
What a relief.  Terry


Begin forwarded message:

From: Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
Date: November 5, 2021 at 11:42:52 PM CDT
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
Reply-To: main@q-list.groups.io

Thanks, Jay



On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


Aah haaa!  Game and set!  I think I won this round or "duel" as it might be!  
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:02:39 -0700

Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terrence ONeill
 

Thanks, Jay



On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


Aah haaa!  Game and set!  I think I won this round or "duel" as it might be!  
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:02:39 -0700

Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Q2 Revmaster P Leads

Kris
 

My 40 year old Q2 garage queen (not a hangar queen yet...) is ready to have it's spiffy recently rebuilt/upgraded Revmaster bolted onto the firewall so that I can fit all of the accessories etc. (YES, I've had this project since 1981 when I purchased the original kit from Stubbs Aero Products (Fred Stubbs) who received it via LeGare, NO, it's not done yet, YES, I plan to finish it...)

The motor's been attached before, but never with P Leads connected - I just received a marvelous pair of finely crafted round nut P leads from Bogert aviation built specifically for the Bendix D2000/3000 mags. QUESTION: there only seems to be a tad more than 3/8" clearance between the Bendix terminal posts and the rear face of the mag box in the firewall. The mag box was built according to the original plans and was installed around 20-25 years ago. The Bogert leads are relatively thin and flexible, but I fear - not THAT flexible, they'd get scrunched if I put this together as is. Richard Bogert isn't familiar with the Q birds, his comment (via email) was that that was a little too tight of a radius, not because of the shielded wire, rather, he's afraid that the solder joint at the ferrule would be compromised.

This cannot possibly be a 'new problem' that only I have seen. (!) Have any of you old school Q2/Revmaster artists 'been there' & 'done that' and fixed this issue a very long time ago? It's looking to me like the obvious answer is to do some cutting and remodelling of the rear face of the magneto box.

Kris


Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Bruce Crain
 

Aah haaa!  Game and set!  I think I won this round or "duel" as it might be!  
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:02:39 -0700

Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Flight Report(s)

Jay Scheevel
 

Finally finished and signed off my annual last weekend and flew the Q for the first time in 5 weeks, flying both yesterday and today in the morning air. Nothing special, a 30 minute flight each morning along the mighty Colorado River, over my house and then back to the airport at about 1000 AGL, then put the plane away and drove to work with a smile on my face. (Not as big a smile as Terry Crouch, who does not have to drive to work anymore).

 

This was the first time since last spring where the density altitude pretty much matched up with MSL, so the plane accelerated and jumped off the ground nicely. It was running so well (both days) AND  the air was so glass smooth AND  it was so beautiful, in the morning sun with the yellow cottonwoods along the river bank, that I actually thought “Why do I even fly in the summer, with bumps, heat, etc.? 

 

Not much to report, other than yesterday and today were such a great days to fly. The plane was having as much fun as I was (I am going back for thirds tomorrow morning!).

 

Those that are building, keep at it. You won’t regret all those hours building, once you are flying.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ 192 hours.


Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terry Adams
 

Toe brakes on my Dragonfly

Terry
N41521

Samsung Galaxy Note 10+


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:33:15 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
 
Hi Terry, welcome back.

The Airheart "go-cart" brakes you refer to have worked fine on my Q for 21 + years. I have dual "toe" brakes mounted on and above the rudder tubes. I believe there are some pictures in the files section. Toe brakes on this plane works great but like Paul said it's what you get use to (oh and they are a lot harder to install).🙂

Regards,
Jim
Q200 1808 hrs. Plane flies almost weekly.  

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:22 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
 

Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Build an airplane. Fly a dream."

Michael Dunning
 

Thanks, Sam. I'll add the rest to that folder as I go.

Please do with the scanning, Cody!

My templates are all cut out and attached to masonite, which means I'm a hole in the roof/basement flood/shop fire/kid with crayons away from having no backups. And most of them aren't in that great of shape to begin with.
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Terry,

 

Sam Hoskins lives in Carbondale IL (or near by, anyway), so he may be available to meet you. Maybe you could look at his Q-200 braking system, which to my recollection is individual finger pull hydraulic brakes. He will correct me if I am remembering wrong.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Terrence ONeill
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 


Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.

So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.

Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?

This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.

Thanks for the suggestions .. 

Terry



On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:



I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

 

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

 

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.



 

Paul Fisher

Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jim Patillo
 

Hi Terry, welcome back.

The Airheart "go-cart" brakes you refer to have worked fine on my Q for 21 + years. I have dual "toe" brakes mounted on and above the rudder tubes. I believe there are some pictures in the files section. Toe brakes on this plane works great but like Paul said it's what you get use to (oh and they are a lot harder to install).🙂

Regards,
Jim
Q200 1808 hrs. Plane flies almost weekly.  

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Terrence ONeill <troneill@...>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:22 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report
 

Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Terrence ONeill
 


Thanks. Yes, N131PS is seasoned. But my habits over 2300 hrs, half inexperimentals , including about 350 in a Dragonfly and lots of tail wheels before that warned me not to try to make new habits on top of. Old ones.
So if anyone’s has put brake pedals atop the rudder tubes, I’ d love to see how.
Also, can I trust the go art disc brakes sand wheels, or might I try some mods there?
This is a great group. I’d like to visit a Q200 dude while home next few weeks in southern Il. I live in Carlyle, by the lake.
Thanks for the suggestions .. 
Terry

On Nov 5, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I think it's a personal preference - hand brakes versus toe brakes.  I very much like my hand brakes. In addition to the issue Bruce mentioned, I think I get much finer control of the braking action.  Perhaps I'm just better with my hands than my feet!

If you do go to toe brakes, you should also look at the pivot in the tail (part of the Jim-Bob six pack).  That will keep you from over stressing the rudder mounts when you stand on the brakes.

But I agree with Jay, you should fly it the way it is and see if you can get used to it.  Paul flew it very successfully for a long time.  No need to mess with success.


Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF  ~1,750 hours over 30+ years

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 09:20 Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!
It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.
Bruce
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:
>
> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?
> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.
> Thanks,
> Terry O’Neill
> Troneill@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Chris Walterson
 

Here's a picture of what I did.------------  Chris


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Re: "Build an airplane. Fly a dream."

 

Honestly Sam, the files section has been a wealth of knowledge for me. I wish for more information and maybe I should scan some of my original papers for the templates since they are "at size" I have both GU and some of the LS-1 template prints. I'm still sorting and hoping for viability on some of them. Previous owners have cut through some of the templates so I missed an edge or a corner. 


Re: "Build an airplane. Fly a dream."

Sam Hoskins
 

Michael. 

Thanks for your contribution. I have moved your promotional materials to the Files section of the Q-list and created a folder called "Quickie Aircraft Company Promotional Literature", or something like that.

BTW gang, there is a lot of good material in the Files section. It might be worth your while to browse through it once in a while and see the resources that we have there. I did spend a little time the other day trying to organize it a bit, but I'm still not finished.

As for today, I'm going flying.

Sam



On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 12:42 AM Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:
I've mentioned before that a key factor in purchasing my kit was that it met the FAA's Golden Standard...the weight of the paperwork equaled that of the plane! Recently, I began scanning in some of the original QAC promotional materials that Jim Porter saved and finally created an album to store them; I will add more as the project progresses. The photos are large; I opted for 300 DPI "archival" quality given how increasingly rare these things will likely become... Hope you enjoy this blast from the past and share your stories below!

Quickie Aircraft Corporation Promotional Materials

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Guess I would not make a good second for your duel…..better get Kevin!

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Fisher
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:03 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Paul Fisher
 

Not if you are left handed!  Which I am.


On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Re: "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Bruce...Paul would probably have better control in a duel using his right hand. Duels can be tricky if you are using the wrong hand!  😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:19 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] "Field Of Dreams" 2021 Report

 

Talk to Paul Fisher.  He has a duel control at his left hand with differential braking.  When his tail spring broke, several years ago, he still was able to control his landing with these 2 handles.  Pretty important with a tail stagger!

It will be a lot easier to manufacture than crawling under the panel to the front of the fuselage.

Bruce

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Terrence ONeill <troneill@...> wrote:

>

> Who has brake pedals on their rudder pedals, on their Q200?

> I need to add them to my just-bought Q200 with Jabiru 3300.

> Thanks,

> Terry O’Neill

> Troneill@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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