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Re: Unusual Approach to Landing

Anthony P
 

Well, at least now I know what "fly to the numbers" means.
I would have responded, "what numbers ?".

I've been around some deltas where the tower mantra seems to be the opposite of, "keep things predictable".

Have been on a high 1/4 mile final (helicopter) when the tower yelled for an immediate right 360 to make way for a plane on 1/2 mile final.  Made it seem like the airspace was out of control.

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Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December

Sam Hoskins
 

This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session.  This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.

As always, don't log in until 9:00.

Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
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Meeting ID: 741 4587 6920
Passcode: 83y89J
 
Fuel pump & condition inspection

Sam Hoskins
 

As I was coming back from Topeka a couple of weeks ago, one of my fuel injection fuel pumps gave up the ghost. I have a redundant setup, so no problem. Since I have to take the tail off to replace the pump, I thought I may as well do my annual condition inspection.  Here's a couple of photos. It shows the two Walbro pumps and the 10 micron fuel filter from Summit Racing. BTW, I run my injection at 40 psi.

I have a seven-page inspection checklist in the Files section of the Q-List, and I think I've pretty much covered everything. It would also be useful for that final inspection before a first flight.
Here it is: https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/inspectionchecklist-carb-01.doc

Take care.

Sam
Re: Option for lifting wing

Rick Hole
 

Whether air bag or hydraulic, do take precaution against jack failure.  Don't be underneath anything that could drop.  For wheel service the risk is not great.
Rick H

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 8:05 AM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
That is close to what I was doing prior to this.  Since I already have this inflatable jack (and air compressor) I thought I would give it a try and is sure  was quick and easy.  It also easily supported the front end for removing the tail.

Corbin

On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:01 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I use a hydraulic jack and a 2' x 2' piece of 5/8" plywood.  The plywood is covered in 2" of dense upholstery foam rubber.  The board is placed under the canard wing and the jack placed under the spar.  I think hydraulic jacks are more available and much cheaper than lift bags and air compressors.

Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer. Q200 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 10:53 PM Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Corbin wrote:
Thanks, guys.  I always like checking with the experts.
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Corbin 
N121CG

 This method is used by professional aircraft recovery companies. The have air bags as long as wings to lift jets when they depart the taxiway and sink the gear in mud. It's great, 5 psi over a large area lifts a lot of weight safely. 




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Corbin 
N121CG

Re: Option for lifting wing

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

That is close to what I was doing prior to this.  Since I already have this inflatable jack (and air compressor) I thought I would give it a try and is sure  was quick and easy.  It also easily supported the front end for removing the tail.

Corbin

On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:01 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I use a hydraulic jack and a 2' x 2' piece of 5/8" plywood.  The plywood is covered in 2" of dense upholstery foam rubber.  The board is placed under the canard wing and the jack placed under the spar.  I think hydraulic jacks are more available and much cheaper than lift bags and air compressors.

Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer. Q200 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 10:53 PM Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Corbin wrote:
Thanks, guys.  I always like checking with the experts.
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Corbin 
N121CG

 This method is used by professional aircraft recovery companies. The have air bags as long as wings to lift jets when they depart the taxiway and sink the gear in mud. It's great, 5 psi over a large area lifts a lot of weight safely. 




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Corbin 
N121CG
Re: Option for lifting wing

Mike Dwyer
 

I use a hydraulic jack and a 2' x 2' piece of 5/8" plywood.  The plywood is covered in 2" of dense upholstery foam rubber.  The board is placed under the canard wing and the jack placed under the spar.  I think hydraulic jacks are more available and much cheaper than lift bags and air compressors.

Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer. Q200 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 10:53 PM Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Corbin wrote:
Thanks, guys.  I always like checking with the experts.
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Corbin 
N121CG

 This method is used by professional aircraft recovery companies. The have air bags as long as wings to lift jets when they depart the taxiway and sink the gear in mud. It's great, 5 psi over a large area lifts a lot of weight safely. 

Re: Option for lifting wing

Cody
 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Corbin wrote:
Thanks, guys.  I always like checking with the experts.
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Corbin 
N121CG

 This method is used by professional aircraft recovery companies. The have air bags as long as wings to lift jets when they depart the taxiway and sink the gear in mud. It's great, 5 psi over a large area lifts a lot of weight safely. 
Re: Flying - Speed Up, Slow down!

Mike Dwyer
 

Thanks Richard, and everyone.  Yes, no outside video but I run audio capture all the time taking off or landing.  Sometimes it's amusing!
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer  N3QP Q200

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 2:03 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

Thanks Mike, although not as picturesque as your others, but watched yours all morning whilst working away.

Cheers,

Rich T.

On 02/12/2021 21:27, Mike Dwyer wrote:
I landed today at KPIE and they wanted my best speed to RWY4. I was only doing 197MPH on final!

Re: Flying - Speed Up, Slow down!

Richard Thomson
 

Thanks Mike, although not as picturesque as your others, but watched yours all morning whilst working away.

Cheers,

Rich T.

On 02/12/2021 21:27, Mike Dwyer wrote:
I landed today at KPIE and they wanted my best speed to RWY4. I was only doing 197MPH on final!

Re: Option for lifting wing

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

Thanks, guys.  I always like checking with the experts.
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Corbin 
N121CG
Re: Option for lifting wing

Chris Walterson
 

Corbin---------  When I lift mine I get under on my hands and knees and use my back to lift it and then slide in a 5 gallon pail with some foam on it.  I would see no problem leaving it for a long period.  Your idea is good.------------ take care----------- Chris


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Re: Option for lifting wing

Martin Skiby
 

Agree with Jay.  Just spread out the load on the skin you are pushing on.

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From: "Jay Scheevel"
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Friday December 3 2021 8:36:22AM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Option for lifting wing

Seems like a great idea, Corbin I don' t see any issues. Looks like it spreads the load very nicely.

Cheers,
Jay


-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 9:30 AM
To: Q List <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Option for lifting wing

I have a Jeep and I have this offroad “jack” that I use the air compressor to fill. I’m out of the hanger doing some other work and thought I would try this out to see how easily it was with the wing for tire changes and working on brakes.

It takes about 15-20 seconds to lift this high and seems very well supported.

Let me know if anybody sees any structural problems with lifting this way for short periods.



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG
Re: Option for lifting wing

Jay Scheevel
 

Seems like a great idea, Corbin I don' t see any issues. Looks like it spreads the load very nicely.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 9:30 AM
To: Q List <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Option for lifting wing

I have a Jeep and I have this offroad “jack” that I use the air compressor to fill. I’m out of the hanger doing some other work and thought I would try this out to see how easily it was with the wing for tire changes and working on brakes.

It takes about 15-20 seconds to lift this high and seems very well supported.

Let me know if anybody sees any structural problems with lifting this way for short periods.



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG
Option for lifting wing

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I have a Jeep and I have this offroad “jack” that I use the air compressor to fill. I’m out of the hanger doing some other work and thought I would try this out to see how easily it was with the wing for tire changes and working on brakes.

It takes about 15-20 seconds to lift this high and seems very well supported.

Let me know if anybody sees any structural problems with lifting this way for short periods.



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG
Re: Unusual Approach to Landing

Keith Welsh
 

Sorry about the two messages.  Our internet is not very good and I thought the first one didn't send. 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Keith Welsh" <kw544@...>
To: Q-List@groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Unusual Approach to Landing
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 02:41:26 GMT

Hello,
Just finished watching Dwyers VERY good video, by the way Mike, I owe you an appology for not mentioning how much I enjoy your videos too. 
Anyway, with the Q traffic down a bit I got thinking about a unique experience I had on the return trip from Enid back in Sept and got wondering
what experiences others might have had. 
 
For mine I was approaching HUF from the West inside our Class D and had just been handed off to tower.  They instructed me to enter a RT base for 14.
There was LT downwind traffic, an ISU Diamond DA20, also in the pattern.  They were on the East side of 14 and me to the West about 3 miles out. 
I didn't think to much about where the other airplane was because I knew the twr had us both. 
Thennnn....the twr instructed me to "Fly to the Numbers".  Really!!  Really??  So I did....as instructed. 
My base to landing occured over the runway threshold very close to the ground as one would expect.  Ain't never done nothin like that before.
 
I'm sure that knowing the speed difference between the two airplanes, the controller, who I know, thought this would work.  And it did...thankffully :)
 
The Ti-fighter (Star Wars Imperial Fighter for Sam) and 197mph stories were great so, I'm sure others too have some entertaining stories to tell as well.
 
Y'all got any?  I'm sure we would love to hear em. 
Thanx 
 
 
Unusual Approach to Landing

Keith Welsh
 

Hello,
Just finished watching Dwyers VERY good video, by the way Mike, I owe you an appology for not mentioning how much I enjoy your videos too. 
Anyway, with the Q traffic down a bit I got thinking about a unique experience I had on the return trip from Enid back in Sept and got wondering
what experiences others might have had. 
 
For mine I was approaching HUF from the West inside our Class D and had just been handed off to tower.  They instructed me to enter a RT base for 14.
There was LT downwind traffic, an ISU Diamond DA20, also in the pattern.  They were on the East side of 14 and me to the West about 3 miles out. 
I didn't think to much about where the other airplane was because I knew the twr had us both. 
Thennnn....the twr instructed me to "Fly to the Numbers".  Really!!  Really??  So I did....as instructed. 
My base to landing occured over the runway threshold very close to the ground as one would expect.  Ain't never done nothin like that before.
 
I'm sure that knowing the speed difference between the two airplanes, the controller, who I know, thought this would work.  And it did...thankffully :)
 
The Ti-fighter (Star Wars Imperial Fighter for Sam) and 197mph stories were great so, I'm sure others too have some entertaining stories to tell as well.
 
Y'all got any?  I'm sure we would love to hear em. 
Thanx 
 
 
Unusual Tower approach to Landing Request's

Keith Welsh
 

Hello,
Just finished watching Dwyers VERY good video, by the way Mike, I owe you an appology for not mentioning how much I enjoy your videos too. 
Anyway, with the Q traffic down a bit I got thinking about a unique experience I had on the return trip from Enid back in Sept and got wondering
what experiences others might have had. 
 
For mine I was approaching HUF from the West inside our Class D and had just been handed off to tower.  They instructed me to enter a RT base for 14.
There was LT downwind traffic, an ISU Diamond DA20, also in the pattern.  They were on the East side of 14 and me to the West about 3 miles out. 
I didn't think to much about where the other airplane was because I knew the twr had us both. 
Thennnn....the twr instructed me to "Fly to the Numbers".  Really!!  Really??  So I did....as instructed. 
My base to landing occured over the runway threshold very close to the ground as one would expect.  Ain't never done nothin like that before.
 
I'm sure that knowing the speed difference between the two airplanes, the controller, who I know, thought this would work.  And it did...thankffully :)
 
The Ti-fighter (Star Wars Imperial Fighter for Sam) and 197mph stories were great so, I'm sure others too have some entertaining stories to tell as well.
 
Y'all got any?  I'm sure we would love to hear em. 
Thanx 
 
 
Flying - Speed Up, Slow down!

Mike Dwyer
 

I landed today at KPIE and they wanted my best speed to RWY4. I was only doing 197MPH on final!

Re: New hangar for tandem wing

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Looks like Jerry and I are first cousins!

I have the magazine photo shots of the original plug in use that they made. From my own background in the composites manufacturing world the plug(s) would have probably been good for a few hundred cycles at best before either replacing or repairs. The plug in the photos was a male plug..so I am wondering if they used a female OML to make the layup pressure fit as well? I presume so because the exterior of the shells are quite fare so they had to be very careful in the cold layup to prevent ply shift.   

 I became more deeply interested in aviation structure and the history of structures because of my training at Dassault in France learning carbon fiber field repairs. I already understood about steel tube and fabric, all metal, and to some degree wood structure prior to that exposure in 1979.  Instructors were very good about explaining why the structure would sustain loads and then some.  

 Q2 is definitely a more advanced build, though not easily replicated. Cubic dollars!! I feel like I got a heck of a deal considering what it would cost just to tool up for one set of fuselage shells.

  Thinking about slick plastic airplanes; when I was at Arlington airport I drove by Glasair.. all closed up.. Stoddard however was still operating. They have a good resturant there..Ellies. Traffic is a mess tho..terrible compared to when I lived there in 1969-1971.       

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 8:08 PM
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing
 
2271 here
Jerry 

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 4:30 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

My SN is 2868, and I think I was pretty near the end of the line for Quickie (1984), so a couple hundred between you and me, Vern.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 2:23 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

 Only visited the 47th State..most corners of it but not long term. 

 

Taos County..not as many bad things but still a very good idea to watch every step. Had a smaller herd of maybe 25 or so Elk cows one morning arrive at my front door of my Earthship with calves in tow. Stayed inside for a coffee or three until they moved on! We had black bear and at least one Puma visit..and I lost count of the many diamondbacks. 

 

 Once I got hitched again the time of staying off grid were numbered. Few people of any background will stay in awareness long enough to be off grid for 2 decades. I remained the Village Idiot in off grid life as well, and made damn sure I never did end up being one to hug trees. Eco Terrorists..tons of them there.    

 Century plants. Them guys just look mean.. Chollo cactus too. Ouch! Worse each Spring for us was the "no see ums". Regular mosquito screen doors are no barrier to them nasty bugs.    

 

  The reason I moved us to eastern Oklahoma is the amount of rains we get. I have a roof catchment system backed up by a shallow well (our location has seasonal artisia). Cost of living is about 1/2 less total also. We have 4 seasons but leans more to longer Summer.  

 

 No water well where was located in NM so I learned the realities of life sometimes in harsh ways. I'm wondering what California is going to be like in 15 or so years having just returned from the West Coast.

 

  I also moved without regret because in part the conditions to build anything composite is limited to the same time when much has to be done on the homestead to endure -30+ F nights in Winter. Our place was at 8,100 ft ASL. It has it's own beauty but honestly we can travel to see most and if the bank account is not being ransomed off each month just to survive the doors to many other options remain open.

 

 Charlie can finally breath the freedom of not being held as a hangar hostage to some municipal bean counter or worse. Still an issue I will be working to resolve.  Frankenbird could be trailered to my home hangar (now in progress) for Conditionals but unless I rework the Capella to the swing wings (same as Kitfox except Capella has all metal wings) it will have to be based at an airport of some kind.   

 

 So.. my kit was 2662. That I presume is in truth 662 out of the molds? Makes Frankenbird a middle timer in the kit numbers sold.        

 

Vern

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 2:33 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

Hi Vern,

 

Having done a lot of geologic field work in them thar hills that Charlie is referring to, I can tell you that his reference is probably more to the plants than the animals. Almost every plant has a way of stabbing or cutting you, ripping your clothes and/or skin, or otherwise doing damage to you if you dare to get too close. No water around to wash your wounds, either…

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 1:27 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

Thats great Charlie. What is the field elevation there?  Its true you get up in them trees and there are several critters that will invite you to dinner if they get a chance!  

 

 I'm pleased as can be you got the place to aviate now Charlie. It's good to see the Piper also operational too. Gonna have to fly there for that $200 hamburger (inflation you see). 

 

 I been eye-in the place circled in the snippy of the sectional for a while. Might be..who knows? SO far not for sale but I have my hat in the ring. 

 

Vern

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 5:09 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

Friends,

 

I have completed another step in retirement to quit paying hangar rent. I am now a member of a hangar LLC and have equity. My new hangar sits right off the taxiway and I can see both ends of the 4000 ft runway approach.

 

I now have a place to move my almost flying Dragonfly to next summer after flight test. For now here is what the view is to the west and north. First flight in the Tri-Pacer with the 160 hp replacement engine.

 

 


It was great to be able to fly to the FOD and my friend Dave thought this was an amazing group, which it is.

 

Thanks for all my Q friends.

 

One Sky Dog
Re: New hangar for tandem wing

Jerry Marstall
 

2271 here
Jerry 

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 4:30 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

My SN is 2868, and I think I was pretty near the end of the line for Quickie (1984), so a couple hundred between you and me, Vern.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 2:23 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

 Only visited the 47th State..most corners of it but not long term. 

 

Taos County..not as many bad things but still a very good idea to watch every step. Had a smaller herd of maybe 25 or so Elk cows one morning arrive at my front door of my Earthship with calves in tow. Stayed inside for a coffee or three until they moved on! We had black bear and at least one Puma visit..and I lost count of the many diamondbacks. 

 

 Once I got hitched again the time of staying off grid were numbered. Few people of any background will stay in awareness long enough to be off grid for 2 decades. I remained the Village Idiot in off grid life as well, and made damn sure I never did end up being one to hug trees. Eco Terrorists..tons of them there.    

 Century plants. Them guys just look mean.. Chollo cactus too. Ouch! Worse each Spring for us was the "no see ums". Regular mosquito screen doors are no barrier to them nasty bugs.    

 

  The reason I moved us to eastern Oklahoma is the amount of rains we get. I have a roof catchment system backed up by a shallow well (our location has seasonal artisia). Cost of living is about 1/2 less total also. We have 4 seasons but leans more to longer Summer.  

 

 No water well where was located in NM so I learned the realities of life sometimes in harsh ways. I'm wondering what California is going to be like in 15 or so years having just returned from the West Coast.

 

  I also moved without regret because in part the conditions to build anything composite is limited to the same time when much has to be done on the homestead to endure -30+ F nights in Winter. Our place was at 8,100 ft ASL. It has it's own beauty but honestly we can travel to see most and if the bank account is not being ransomed off each month just to survive the doors to many other options remain open.

 

 Charlie can finally breath the freedom of not being held as a hangar hostage to some municipal bean counter or worse. Still an issue I will be working to resolve.  Frankenbird could be trailered to my home hangar (now in progress) for Conditionals but unless I rework the Capella to the swing wings (same as Kitfox except Capella has all metal wings) it will have to be based at an airport of some kind.   

 

 So.. my kit was 2662. That I presume is in truth 662 out of the molds? Makes Frankenbird a middle timer in the kit numbers sold.        

 

Vern

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 2:33 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

Hi Vern,

 

Having done a lot of geologic field work in them thar hills that Charlie is referring to, I can tell you that his reference is probably more to the plants than the animals. Almost every plant has a way of stabbing or cutting you, ripping your clothes and/or skin, or otherwise doing damage to you if you dare to get too close. No water around to wash your wounds, either…

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of smeshno1@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 1:27 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

Thats great Charlie. What is the field elevation there?  Its true you get up in them trees and there are several critters that will invite you to dinner if they get a chance!  

 

 I'm pleased as can be you got the place to aviate now Charlie. It's good to see the Piper also operational too. Gonna have to fly there for that $200 hamburger (inflation you see). 

 

 I been eye-in the place circled in the snippy of the sectional for a while. Might be..who knows? SO far not for sale but I have my hat in the ring. 

 

Vern

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 5:09 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] New hangar for tandem wing

 

Friends,

 

I have completed another step in retirement to quit paying hangar rent. I am now a member of a hangar LLC and have equity. My new hangar sits right off the taxiway and I can see both ends of the 4000 ft runway approach.

 

I now have a place to move my almost flying Dragonfly to next summer after flight test. For now here is what the view is to the west and north. First flight in the Tri-Pacer with the 160 hp replacement engine.

 

 


It was great to be able to fly to the FOD and my friend Dave thought this was an amazing group, which it is.

 

Thanks for all my Q friends.

 

One Sky Dog
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