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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Jay Scheevel
 

There is a range of relative angle of wing-to-canard incidence (decalage) and it is a unique for every Q-type aircraft. I measured a pretty fair number of these (22 planes at last count). I did these measurements first hand and found that there was almost 6 degrees range of decalage through all of the planes I measured. In aerodynamic terms, 6 degrees is a large range.

 

Jerry is relaying a very real story about his planes behavior with reflexor, but his wing decalage is about 4.5 degrees different than mine (his favoring nose pitching down relative to mine), thus he will be using trailing edge up reflexor and I will be using trailing edge down reflexor in identical phases of flight. Everyone will tend to give the best advice relative to their own experience in their own plane, so this is why you will hear legitimately different advice from different Q pilots.

 

In my opinion, it is best not to use reflexor at all at first, but be ready to apply it gradually when you know how much you need it if you are in the initial stages of test flying. Then only make small changes in a safe flight environment. When you are ready to begin using the reflexor for landings, you can simulate landings at 3 or 4 thousand feet AGL, to see if you can arrest any sink while using your landing configuration and power settings. If you cannot change a decent into level or a climb with full aft stick, then you are in the unpleasant territory that Jerry mentions and you need to revise your reflexor settings discipline prior to trying to land it with reflexor.

 

If you want to know where your decalage is in the spectrum, I have developed a reliable method of measuring the decalage and I would be happy to help you do those measurements prior to flying if you want contact me offline.

 

If you want to review what I have written up on this subject. Have a look at the following:

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/Scheevel_impact_of_decalage.pdf

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part1.pdf

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part2.pdf

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part3.pdf

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 5:28 PM
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me.  I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry 

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin

 

On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Today's tour

Rick Hole
 

Now Jerry, I, being 71, would have suggested a more appropriate “older than this here box o’rocks.  Knowing that if those young whipper-snappers take the bait I’d reply, “I happen to know that there box ain’t a day older than 40 so I accept your compliment.”

 

 

Sonia (1953-2020) & Rick Hole

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Today's tour

 

A little more respect towards your elders - sonny.  J

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 2:48 PM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

I agree!

All of the “episodes” have been great.

This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.

 

Sam,

Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!  

 

nuff said.

 

 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   570 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:

 

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.

Jerry

 


Re: Today's tour

Jerry Marstall
 

A little more respect towards your elders - sonny.  J


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 2:48 PM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
I agree!
All of the “episodes” have been great.
This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.

Sam,
Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!  

nuff said.


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   570 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.
Jerry


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Jerry Marstall
 

Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me.  I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry 


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Jay Scheevel
 

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Kevin Boddicker
 

Anthony,
 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

Kevin

On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL


Re: Today's tour

Kevin Boddicker
 

I agree!
All of the “episodes” have been great.
This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.

Sam,
Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!  

nuff said.


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   570 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.
Jerry


Re: Today's tour

Jay Scheevel
 

You are right, Brent. This is a really close group and have a great combination of loving these little airplanes and having a lot of patience for those who are learning. Also, they never give up, which is why I suppose we still have some of these great birds still flying regularly.  You really need to experience all these guys in person, so if you can make it to the Field of Dreams…. Kevin is one of a kind and from what I understood today, he will be your humble host in 2022! Yay!

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brent Sherstan
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Today's tour

 

Thanks guys, really good info. And thanks again to Same for putting this all together. I'm part of a few different aircraft groups and they aren't like this. Between the Q-tours and the yearly fly-ins, you guys have a really good group!


Re: Today's tour

Brent Sherstan
 

Thanks guys, really good info. And thanks again to Same for putting this all together. I'm part of a few different aircraft groups and they aren't like this. Between the Q-tours and the yearly fly-ins, you guys have a really good group!


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Anthony P
 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL


Re: Today's tour

Jay Scheevel
 

Really enjoyed seeing (and hearing) all you guys and you not yet flying guys asked some great questions. Keep at it…get up there!

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 9:21 AM
To: Q-list IO <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Today's tour

 

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.

Jerry


Today's tour

Jerry Marstall
 

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.

Jerry


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Anthony P
 

Waiting...waiting...waiting to be let into this meeting.

Maybe I should get the hint?


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Q2 N86KL


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Bruce Crain
 

Catch and regrease!  🤣


On Dec 10, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:


I wonder why they keep letting him out!!

Paul

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 12:47 Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I wonder how much time Bruce has spent in prison?
LOL, Mike Dwyer

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:24 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Alas I will be in prison again!  Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings!  Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb

---------- Original Message ----------
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To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800

This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session.  This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
 
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
 
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
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Join Zoom Meeting
 
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Paul Fisher
 

I wonder why they keep letting him out!!

Paul

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 12:47 Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I wonder how much time Bruce has spent in prison?
LOL, Mike Dwyer

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:24 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Alas I will be in prison again!  Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings!  Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800

This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session.  This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
 
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
 
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Mike Dwyer
 

I wonder how much time Bruce has spent in prison?
LOL, Mike Dwyer

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:24 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Alas I will be in prison again!  Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings!  Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800

This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session.  This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
 
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
 
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
 
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Bruce Crain
 

Alas I will be in prison again!  Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings!  Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800

This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session.  This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
 
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
 
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Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
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Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Sam Hoskins
 

This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session.  This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
 
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
 
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
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Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
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Re: No Politics

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks for doing that Sam. You might want to add Superfluous BS as well. This site is suppose to be about building Quickies and only Quickies a rule we agreed to along time ago. 

Jim
N46JP Q200
1820 hours. 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 7:56:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Special] [Q-List] No Politics
 
And that means NO POLITICS.

Sam


politics

Chris Walterson
 

NO POLITICS----------------  Thanks Sam.    See you Saturday.--------------  Chris


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