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Re: Off topic winter hangar report

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Darn Hangar rats chewing on the fabric again! I have some of that type of work on the way myself, Charlie.  Maybe Santa CLawz will bring me that new TIG welder I've been lusting for this year.   

 What system did you choose? Almost all I have done in the past was Grade A, or Ceconite, Razorback. Had no other choice since they were the only FAA/PMA allowed on certificated at the time. Nearly all my mentor worked with was using Ceconite. 

 Good to see your almost relocated. Winter is a tuff time to move, especially from that neck of the woods. Just had a former co-worker travel over Soldier Pass to get to SLC with several videos and he almost didn't make it over.

Vern
(Former M.E. it looks like)    


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 8:54 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report
 
It was a full minute to 1 1/2 in ground effect before landing.





On Saturday, December 18, 2021, 7:26 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Low pass in a Tri Pacer!  Brings a teat to my eye Charlie!  And 12,000' runway!  Makes a Quickie pilot salivate!
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 04:39:19 -0700

Hi gang,

 
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
 
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
 
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.
 
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE 
 
Good flights for all,
 


Re: Off topic winter hangar report

One Sky Dog
 

It was a full minute to 1 1/2 in ground effect before landing.





On Saturday, December 18, 2021, 7:26 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Low pass in a Tri Pacer!  Brings a teat to my eye Charlie!  And 12,000' runway!  Makes a Quickie pilot salivate!
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 04:39:19 -0700

Hi gang,

 
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
 
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
 
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.
 
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE 
 
Good flights for all,
 


Re: Off topic winter hangar report

Bruce Crain
 

Low pass in a Tri Pacer!  Brings a teat to my eye Charlie!  And 12,000' runway!  Makes a Quickie pilot salivate!
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 04:39:19 -0700

Hi gang,

 
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
 
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
 
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.
 
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE 
 
Good flights for all,
 



Off topic winter hangar report

One Sky Dog
 

Hi gang,

I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.

I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.

I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.

Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE 

Good flights for all,


Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Terry Adams
 

I use suction mount on the inside of the canopy with my DJI OSMO and video stabilization.  Here is a still grab from a flight over Lake Tahoe at Emerald Bay.



Terry
N41521  Dragonfly MkI
KSCK

On 12/17/2021 11:20 AM, Richard Thomson wrote:

I will try experimenting during my taxi trials to see what gives the best results.

Where abouts have you placed it.

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 18:25, Mike Dwyer wrote:
I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified by the length of the mount.  I haven't actually found a solution to this other than using the camera functions to reduce vibration.  The problem with the vibration is it makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look.  The stick mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick on the outside and come back with a camera!  I got more work to do on that!
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might be able to recipricate next year.

Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks.   I try to fly at least once a week.  Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF



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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Bruce Crain
 

Probably not enough time for the rings to drain down into the plugs so nothing to see here.  Moving on.
Bruce


On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified by the length of the mount.  I haven't actually found a solution to this other than using the camera functions to reduce vibration.  The problem with the vibration is it makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look.  The stick mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick on the outside and come back with a camera!  I got more work to do on that!
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might be able to recipricate next year.

Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks.   I try to fly at least once a week.  Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF





Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Richard Thomson
 

I will try experimenting during my taxi trials to see what gives the best results.

Where abouts have you placed it.

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 18:25, Mike Dwyer wrote:
I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified by the length of the mount.  I haven't actually found a solution to this other than using the camera functions to reduce vibration.  The problem with the vibration is it makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look.  The stick mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick on the outside and come back with a camera!  I got more work to do on that!
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might be able to recipricate next year.

Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks.   I try to fly at least once a week.  Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF



Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Mike Dwyer
 

I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified by the length of the mount.  I haven't actually found a solution to this other than using the camera functions to reduce vibration.  The problem with the vibration is it makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look.  The stick mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick on the outside and come back with a camera!  I got more work to do on that!
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16 PM Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might be able to recipricate next year.

Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks.   I try to fly at least once a week.  Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF



Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Richard Thomson
 

Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might be able to recipricate next year.

Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?

Rich T.

On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks.   I try to fly at least once a week.  Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF



Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Mike Dwyer
 

2weeks.   I try to fly at least once a week.  Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF



Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!

Bruce Crain
 

And that's how it's done folks!  Keep em flyin'!  How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  
 
So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  
 
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 
 
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF



Flight Report - sorry no video!

Mike Dwyer
 

I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test.  I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area.  Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.  

So what I thought was fun today was...  called in to land 8 miles out.  got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long).  The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K).  Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final.  Gota hate that.  So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.  I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.  

So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high.  All the VASI lights are white.  The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down.  The tower tells me to do an S-turn.  Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off.  I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out.  After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.  The Tower tells me to land long.  I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart!  I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make.  Never a dull moment at KPIE! 

Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great.  Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!  

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Richard Thomson
 

Still beats me Jay, I am still working on the Goes !! :-)

Rich T.

On 13/12/2021 13:21, Jay Scheevel wrote:
No touch and goes on my home runway yet. I do them on the longer runway across town. I’m getting better though so eventually I will do them on the short runway.

Cheers,
Jay


On Dec 13, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !

On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Jay Scheevel
 

No touch and goes on my home runway yet. I do them on the longer runway across town. I’m getting better though so eventually I will do them on the short runway.

Cheers,
Jay


On Dec 13, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !

On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Richard Thomson
 

Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !

On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Today's tour

Richard Thomson
 

Thanks Sam for another good session.

You know it has been a good session when you take something away that makes you think or helps formulate new ideas, and from all these Tour sessions there is always food for thought.

Over the years I have received lots of helpful information from this group that has improved my Q education and steered me hopefully down the right path, and for that I thank you guys.

Happy Christmas y'all.  Fly Safe.

Rich T.

UK.

TriQ200   3 hrs Taxi.


On 11/12/2021 19:48, Kevin Boddicker wrote:
I agree!
All of the “episodes” have been great.
This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.ou

Sam,
Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!  

nuff said.


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   570 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.
Jerry


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Jay Scheevel
 

There is a range of relative angle of wing-to-canard incidence (decalage) and it is a unique for every Q-type aircraft. I measured a pretty fair number of these (22 planes at last count). I did these measurements first hand and found that there was almost 6 degrees range of decalage through all of the planes I measured. In aerodynamic terms, 6 degrees is a large range.

 

Jerry is relaying a very real story about his planes behavior with reflexor, but his wing decalage is about 4.5 degrees different than mine (his favoring nose pitching down relative to mine), thus he will be using trailing edge up reflexor and I will be using trailing edge down reflexor in identical phases of flight. Everyone will tend to give the best advice relative to their own experience in their own plane, so this is why you will hear legitimately different advice from different Q pilots.

 

In my opinion, it is best not to use reflexor at all at first, but be ready to apply it gradually when you know how much you need it if you are in the initial stages of test flying. Then only make small changes in a safe flight environment. When you are ready to begin using the reflexor for landings, you can simulate landings at 3 or 4 thousand feet AGL, to see if you can arrest any sink while using your landing configuration and power settings. If you cannot change a decent into level or a climb with full aft stick, then you are in the unpleasant territory that Jerry mentions and you need to revise your reflexor settings discipline prior to trying to land it with reflexor.

 

If you want to know where your decalage is in the spectrum, I have developed a reliable method of measuring the decalage and I would be happy to help you do those measurements prior to flying if you want contact me offline.

 

If you want to review what I have written up on this subject. Have a look at the following:

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/Scheevel_impact_of_decalage.pdf

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part1.pdf

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part2.pdf

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part3.pdf

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 5:28 PM
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me.  I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry 

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin

 

On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 


Re: Today's tour

Rick Hole
 

Now Jerry, I, being 71, would have suggested a more appropriate “older than this here box o’rocks.  Knowing that if those young whipper-snappers take the bait I’d reply, “I happen to know that there box ain’t a day older than 40 so I accept your compliment.”

 

 

Sonia (1953-2020) & Rick Hole

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Today's tour

 

A little more respect towards your elders - sonny.  J

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 2:48 PM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

I agree!

All of the “episodes” have been great.

This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.

 

Sam,

Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!  

 

nuff said.

 

 

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   570 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:

 

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.

Jerry

 


Re: Today's tour

Jerry Marstall
 

A little more respect towards your elders - sonny.  J


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 2:48 PM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
I agree!
All of the “episodes” have been great.
This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.

Sam,
Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!  

nuff said.


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   570 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Jerry Marstall <jerrylm1986@...> wrote:

Great Forum.  Super idea.  Enjoyed the crowd.
Jerry


Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

Jerry Marstall
 

Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me.  I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry 


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing.  Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.

 

The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down.  They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time

 

Anthony,

 From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.

I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting.

They are all hand built. So yours may be different.

 

Kevin



On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote:

 

Very interesting and informative as always.   Thanks everyone.

Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"  
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing  and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?


--
Q2 N86KL

 

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