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Re: Off topic winter hangar report
Frankenbird Vern
Darn Hangar rats chewing on the fabric again! I have some of that type of work on the way myself, Charlie. Maybe Santa CLawz will bring me that new TIG welder I've been lusting for this year.
What system did you choose? Almost all I have done in the past was Grade A, or Ceconite, Razorback. Had no other choice since they were the only FAA/PMA allowed on certificated at the time. Nearly all my mentor worked with was using Ceconite.
Good to see your almost relocated. Winter is a tuff time to move, especially from that neck of the woods. Just had a former co-worker travel over Soldier Pass to get to SLC with several videos and he almost didn't make it over.
Vern
(Former M.E. it looks like)
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 8:54 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report
It was a full minute to 1 1/2 in ground effect before landing.
On Saturday, December 18, 2021, 7:26 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Low pass in a Tri Pacer! Brings a teat to my eye Charlie! And 12,000' runway! Makes a Quickie pilot salivate!
Bruce
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From: "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 04:39:19 -0700
Hi gang,
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under
the restricted airspace on weekends.
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE
Good flights for all,
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Re: Off topic winter hangar report
One Sky Dog
It was a full minute to 1 1/2 in ground effect before landing.
On Saturday, December 18, 2021, 7:26 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote: Low pass in a Tri Pacer! Brings a teat to my eye Charlie! And 12,000' runway! Makes a Quickie pilot salivate!
Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 04:39:19 -0700
Hi gang,
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE
Good flights for all,
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Re: Off topic winter hangar report
Bruce Crain
Low pass in a Tri Pacer! Brings a teat to my eye Charlie! And 12,000' runway! Makes a Quickie pilot salivate!
Bruce
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Off topic winter hangar report Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 04:39:19 -0700
Hi gang,
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE
Good flights for all,
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Off topic winter hangar report
One Sky Dog
Hi gang,
I am about 80% moved out of my rental hangar but had a delay.
I developed hangar rash on the right elevator of the Tri-Pacer. This gave me an opportunity to learn fabric covering.
I flew from Benson E95 to KFHU Sierra Vista last Sunday deviating for a low pass at Whetstone air park dirt strip. On final at KFU 12,000 ft runway I flew in ground effect for 3/4 of the runway before landing. It is towered during the week but G under the restricted airspace on weekends.
Quite different flying from Utah down here and way different from Mike’s Florida videos. Here is one of my neighbors You Tube channels that gives the perspective of flying in AZ. https://youtu.be/FHQZhLiVLnE
Good flights for all,
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
I use suction mount on
the inside of the canopy with my DJI OSMO and video
stabilization. Here is a still grab from a flight over Lake Tahoe
at Emerald Bay.
Terry
N41521 Dragonfly MkI
KSCK
On 12/17/2021 11:20 AM, Richard Thomson
wrote:
I will try experimenting during my taxi trials to see what
gives the best results.
Where abouts have you placed it.
Rich T.
On 17/12/2021 18:25, Mike Dwyer
wrote:
I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say
hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets
amplified by the length of the mount. I haven't actually
found a solution to this other than using the camera functions
to reduce vibration. The problem with the vibration is it
makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look. The stick
mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't
think you can stick on the outside and come back with a
camera! I got more work to do on that!
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16
PM Richard Thomson < richard@...>
wrote:
Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im
good. Might be able to recipricate next year.
Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?
Rich T.
On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks. I try to fly at least once a
week. Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP
On Thu, Dec 16,
2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...>
wrote:
And that's how it's done folks! Keep em
flyin'! How long was it since the flight before
this one Mike?
Bruce
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " < q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List < Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was
fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the
next start up failed the mag test. I pulled the
carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes
related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a
tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then
the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was...
called in to land 8 miles out. got a right
downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long). The
wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal
limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2
behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that.
So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing
tip turbulence. I was planning on landing
long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at
the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and
I'm way high. All the VASI lights are white.
The Airbus lands and I note where he touched
down. The tower tells me to do an S-turn.
Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take
off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the
numbers and think to myself...this isn't going
to work out. After a couple of really slow
S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee
making some progress getting off the runway.
The Tower tells me to land long. I hear
the tower tell whoever is following me that
it's going to work out as I'm landing long and
he needs to keep us only 3000' apart! I get
back into landing mode and make a good landing
and hard braking to make the turn off that I
need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check
the mags and everything looks great.
Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!
--
Communication ink and paper free
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
Bruce Crain
Probably not enough time for the rings to drain down into the plugs so nothing to see here. Moving on.
On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified by the length of the mount. I haven't actually found a solution to this other than using the camera functions to reduce vibration. The problem with the vibration is it makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look. The stick mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick on the outside and come back with a camera! I got more work to do on that! On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16 PM Richard Thomson < richard@...> wrote:
Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might
be able to recipricate next year.
Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?
Rich T.
On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks. I try to fly at least once a week. Not
sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM
Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...>
wrote:
And that's how it's done folks! Keep em flyin'! How
long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " < q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List < Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was fowling the
plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the
mag test. I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned
the passes related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a
tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb
pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was... called in to
land 8 miles out. got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730
feet long). The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my
personal limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2
behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan
is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence. I
was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my
hangar is at the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way
high. All the VASI lights are white. The Airbus lands
and I note where he touched down. The tower tells me to
do an S-turn. Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take
off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and
think to myself...this isn't going to work out. After a
couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the
Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.
The Tower tells me to land long. I hear the tower tell
whoever is following me that it's going to work out as
I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000'
apart! I get back into landing mode and make a good
landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I
need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and
everything looks great. Hopefully my plug fouling is
fixed!
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
Richard Thomson
I will try experimenting during my taxi trials to see what gives
the best results.
Where abouts have you placed it.
Rich T.
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On 17/12/2021 18:25, Mike Dwyer wrote:
I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung
from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified
by the length of the mount. I haven't actually found a solution
to this other than using the camera functions to reduce
vibration. The problem with the vibration is it makes the video
blurry or gives it a jello look. The stick mount, inside
the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick
on the outside and come back with a camera! I got more work to
do on that!
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16
PM Richard Thomson < richard@...>
wrote:
Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im
good. Might be able to recipricate next year.
Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?
Rich T.
On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks. I try to fly at least once a
week. Not sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021,
7:00 PM Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...>
wrote:
And that's how it's done folks! Keep em flyin'!
How long was it since the flight before this one
Mike?
Bruce
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " < q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List < Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was
fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next
start up failed the mag test. I pulled the carb
apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to
the idle mixture area. Seems if a tiny hole gets
plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps
fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was...
called in to land 8 miles out. got a right
downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long). The wind
was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is
15K). Then was cleared to land #2 behind the
Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan is
to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence.
I was planning on landing long anyway as the
taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long
runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and
I'm way high. All the VASI lights are white.
The Airbus lands and I note where he touched
down. The tower tells me to do an S-turn. Then
the tower clears a Cherokee for take off. I see
the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to
myself...this isn't going to work out. After a
couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I
see the Cherokee making some progress getting
off the runway. The Tower tells me to land
long. I hear the tower tell whoever is
following me that it's going to work out as I'm
landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000'
apart! I get back into landing mode and make a
good landing and hard braking to make the turn
off that I need to make. Never a dull moment at
KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the
mags and everything looks great. Hopefully my
plug fouling is fixed!
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
I found that if a camera is hard mounted, say hung from the canopy, or whatever, that any vibration gets amplified by the length of the mount. I haven't actually found a solution to this other than using the camera functions to reduce vibration. The problem with the vibration is it makes the video blurry or gives it a jello look. The stick mount, inside the canopy are so far the best. I just don't think you can stick on the outside and come back with a camera! I got more work to do on that!
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 1:16 PM Richard Thomson < richard@...> wrote:
Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might
be able to recipricate next year.
Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?
Rich T.
On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks. I try to fly at least once a week. Not
sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM
Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...>
wrote:
And that's how it's done folks! Keep em flyin'! How
long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " < q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List < Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was fowling the
plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the
mag test. I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned
the passes related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a
tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb
pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was... called in to
land 8 miles out. got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730
feet long). The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my
personal limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2
behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan
is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence. I
was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my
hangar is at the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way
high. All the VASI lights are white. The Airbus lands
and I note where he touched down. The tower tells me to
do an S-turn. Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take
off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and
think to myself...this isn't going to work out. After a
couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the
Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.
The Tower tells me to land long. I hear the tower tell
whoever is following me that it's going to work out as
I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000'
apart! I get back into landing mode and make a good
landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I
need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and
everything looks great. Hopefully my plug fouling is
fixed!
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
Richard Thomson
Merry Christmas Mike, Santa has a Go Pro for me if Im good. Might
be able to recipricate next year.
Question, do you use just the stick on mounts ?
Rich T.
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On 17/12/2021 01:57, Mike Dwyer wrote:
2weeks. I try to fly at least once a week. Not
sure why I missed last week.
Merry Christmas to all!
Mike Dwyer N3QP
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM
Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...>
wrote:
And that's how it's done folks! Keep em flyin'! How
long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Dwyer " < q200pilot@...>
To: Q_List < Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was fowling the
plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the
mag test. I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned
the passes related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a
tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb
pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was... called in to
land 8 miles out. got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730
feet long). The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my
personal limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2
behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan
is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence. I
was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my
hangar is at the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way
high. All the VASI lights are white. The Airbus lands
and I note where he touched down. The tower tells me to
do an S-turn. Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take
off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and
think to myself...this isn't going to work out. After a
couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the
Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway.
The Tower tells me to land long. I hear the tower tell
whoever is following me that it's going to work out as
I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000'
apart! I get back into landing mode and make a good
landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I
need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and
everything looks great. Hopefully my plug fouling is
fixed!
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
2weeks. I try to fly at least once a week. Not sure why I missed last week. Merry Christmas to all! Mike Dwyer N3QP
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 7:00 PM Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...> wrote: And that's how it's done folks! Keep em flyin'! How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mike Dwyer " < q200pilot@...> To: Q_List < Q-List@groups.io> Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test. I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was... called in to land 8 miles out. got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long). The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence. I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high. All the VASI lights are white. The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down. The tower tells me to do an S-turn. Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out. After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway. The Tower tells me to land long. I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart! I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great. Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!
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Re: Flight Report - sorry no video!
Bruce Crain
And that's how it's done folks! Keep em flyin'! How long was it since the flight before this one Mike?
Bruce
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mike Dwyer " <q200pilot@...> To: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io> Subject: [Q-List] Flight Report - sorry no video! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:16:15 -0500ike
I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test. I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was... called in to land 8 miles out. got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long). The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence. I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high. All the VASI lights are white. The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down. The tower tells me to do an S-turn. Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out. After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway. The Tower tells me to land long. I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart! I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great. Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!
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Flight Report - sorry no video!
I had a problem where my carb was fowling the plugs bad, to the point where the next start up failed the mag test. I pulled the carb apart and thoroughly cleaned the passes related to the idle mixture area. Seems if a tiny hole gets plugged in the idle needle then the carb pumps fuel into the mixture circuit.
So what I thought was fun today was... called in to land 8 miles out. got a right downwind for RWY 18 (9730 feet long). The wind was a 12K left crosswind (my personal limit is 15K). Then was cleared to land #2 behind the Airbus on final. Gota hate that. So my plan is to stay high, way over his wing tip turbulence. I was planning on landing long anyway as the taxiway to my hangar is at the end of this long runway.
So I turn base after the Airbus goes by and I'm way high. All the VASI lights are white. The Airbus lands and I note where he touched down. The tower tells me to do an S-turn. Then the tower clears a Cherokee for take off. I see the Cherokee sitting on the numbers and think to myself...this isn't going to work out. After a couple of really slow S-Turns (I'm at 90 mph), I see the Cherokee making some progress getting off the runway. The Tower tells me to land long. I hear the tower tell whoever is following me that it's going to work out as I'm landing long and he needs to keep us only 3000' apart! I get back into landing mode and make a good landing and hard braking to make the turn off that I need to make. Never a dull moment at KPIE!
Back at the hangar I do a runup to check the mags and everything looks great. Hopefully my plug fouling is fixed!
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Richard Thomson
Still beats me Jay, I am still working on the Goes !! :-)
Rich T.
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On 13/12/2021 13:21, Jay Scheevel
wrote:
No touch and goes on my home runway yet. I do them on the longer
runway across town. I’m getting better though so eventually I will
do them on the short runway.
Cheers,
Jay
On Dec 13, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Richard
Thomson <richard@...> wrote:
Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long
runway !
On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay
Scheevel wrote:
To Kevin’s point about them all
being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted
leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine
with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is
in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and
landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during
your flight test period, so I would suggest you not
put hard stops in until you have tested.
The range of the reflexor can be
extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of
10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have
full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full
down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I
need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and
go. (I have a tri-gear)
Cheers,
Jay
Anthony,
From memory. I believe the
limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up
according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with
any trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours
may be different.
Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30
AM, Anthony P <solarant@...>
wrote:
Very interesting and
informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and
maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not
flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would
reduce lift on the main wing and increase
aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps,
as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from
their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means
deflect control surface up?
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Jay Scheevel
No touch and goes on my home runway yet. I do them on the longer runway across town. I’m getting better though so eventually I will do them on the short runway.
Cheers,
On Dec 13, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:
Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !
On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel
wrote:
To Kevin’s point about them all being hand
built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down
relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor
deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and
deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You
need to test this during your flight test period, so I would
suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.
The range of the reflexor can be extended
beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down
and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness
with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I
am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a
touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)
Cheers,
Jay
Anthony,
From memory. I believe the limits on the
reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with any
trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours may be
different.
Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM,
Anthony P <solarant@...>
wrote:
Very interesting and informative as
always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a
terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and
needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce
lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in
flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their
reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect
control surface up?
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Q2 N86KL
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Richard Thomson
Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !
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On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel
wrote:
To Kevin’s point about them all being hand
built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down
relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor
deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and
deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You
need to test this during your flight test period, so I would
suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.
The range of the reflexor can be extended
beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down
and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness
with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I
am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a
touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)
Cheers,
Jay
Anthony,
From memory. I believe the limits on the
reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with any
trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours may be
different.
Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM,
Anthony P <solarant@...>
wrote:
Very interesting and informative as
always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a
terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and
needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce
lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in
flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their
reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect
control surface up?
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Q2 N86KL
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Richard Thomson
Thanks Sam for another good session.
You know it has been a good session when you take something away
that makes you think or helps formulate new ideas, and from all
these Tour sessions there is always food for thought.
Over the years I have received lots of helpful information from
this group that has improved my Q education and steered me
hopefully down the right path, and for that I thank you guys.
Happy Christmas y'all. Fly Safe.
Rich T.
UK.
TriQ200 3 hrs Taxi.
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On 11/12/2021 19:48, Kevin Boddicker
wrote:
I agree!
All of the “episodes” have been great.
This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and
willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.ou
Sam,
Kudos for all the time you have put into this
effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as
hell!!
nuff said.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 570 hrs
Luana, IA.
Great
Forum. Super idea. Enjoyed the crowd.
Jerry
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Jay Scheevel
There is a range of relative angle of wing-to-canard incidence (decalage) and it is a unique for every Q-type aircraft. I measured a pretty fair number of these (22 planes at last count). I did these measurements first hand and found that there was almost 6 degrees range of decalage through all of the planes I measured. In aerodynamic terms, 6 degrees is a large range. Jerry is relaying a very real story about his planes behavior with reflexor, but his wing decalage is about 4.5 degrees different than mine (his favoring nose pitching down relative to mine), thus he will be using trailing edge up reflexor and I will be using trailing edge down reflexor in identical phases of flight. Everyone will tend to give the best advice relative to their own experience in their own plane, so this is why you will hear legitimately different advice from different Q pilots. In my opinion, it is best not to use reflexor at all at first, but be ready to apply it gradually when you know how much you need it if you are in the initial stages of test flying. Then only make small changes in a safe flight environment. When you are ready to begin using the reflexor for landings, you can simulate landings at 3 or 4 thousand feet AGL, to see if you can arrest any sink while using your landing configuration and power settings. If you cannot change a decent into level or a climb with full aft stick, then you are in the unpleasant territory that Jerry mentions and you need to revise your reflexor settings discipline prior to trying to land it with reflexor. If you want to know where your decalage is in the spectrum, I have developed a reliable method of measuring the decalage and I would be happy to help you do those measurements prior to flying if you want contact me offline. If you want to review what I have written up on this subject. Have a look at the following: http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/Scheevel_impact_of_decalage.pdf http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part1.pdf http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part2.pdf http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part3.pdf Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 5:28 PM To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me. I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote: To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested. The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear) Cheers, Jay Anthony, From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans. I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting. They are all hand built. So yours may be different. Kevin On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote: Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
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Q2 N86KL
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Now Jerry, I, being 71, would have suggested a more appropriate “older than this here box o’rocks. Knowing that if those young whipper-snappers take the bait I’d reply, “I happen to know that there box ain’t a day older than 40 so I accept your compliment.” Sonia (1953-2020) & Rick Hole
From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Today's tour A little more respect towards your elders - sonny. J On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 2:48 PM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote: I agree! All of the “episodes” have been great. This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold. Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!! Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 570 hrs
Luana, IA.
Great Forum. Super idea. Enjoyed the crowd.
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A little more respect towards your elders - sonny. J
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 2:48 PM Kevin Boddicker < trumanst@...> wrote: I agree! All of the “episodes” have been great. This one proves the cohesiveness of the group, and willingness, zeal, to welcome new aviators into the fold.
Sam, Kudos for all the time you have put into this effort. You are the patriarch, even though Jerry is old as hell!!
nuff said.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 570 hrs
Luana, IA.
Great Forum. Super idea. Enjoyed the crowd. Jerry
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Re: Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time
Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me. I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested. The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear) Cheers, Jay Anthony, From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans. I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting. They are all hand built. So yours may be different. Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote: Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
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Q2 N86KL
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