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Re: Axle Removal Problems

Corbin
 

Anthony, I might not understand because wouldn't using the axle to try and tap the pusher rod back out do the same as you describe?
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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Corbin
 

Thanks, Mike.  I believe my pusher rod made it past the space and is about halfway through the wheel.  But I follow what you are saying otherwise.
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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Anthony P
 

If the others' suggestions for gentle coaxing have not worked, try a short length (1") of hose or PVC with similar O.D. to your axle and place that over your smaller diameter drift.  It will work as a centering jig during your quick and lite taps.

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Re: Axle Removal Problems

Mike Dwyer
 

This is challenging to word properly.  As the shorter steel tube is being pushed into place when it gets to a spacer, you have to hold upward pressure on the tire, otherwise as the steel shaft is going in and hits the end of the spacer it falls and jams.  Look down either steel tube and if they are not lined up, then do what it takes to line them up.

Also, in the future, put a campher(sp) on the end of the steel tubes so it self corrects the alignment.  Also, I carry in my onboard tool bag the short axle made out of AL so that I can do tire work anywhere that I fly to.  I carry this short axle and a spare inner-tube.  I don't see a need to carry a whole tire!

Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:06 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I’ve always had a bit of a headache removing the axle when needing to remove the tire.  In one of the pics below, the darker steel rod is what I use to slide in and tap out the axle (which is the other pic).  The axle will easily pull out from the position in the pic.  However, the rod I use to tap out the axle is stuck and won’t move back out or further in.

I have the plane raised so there is no weight on the tire.  I have tried tapping the axle back in to push back out the rod.  I’ve reached the pint of, “nothing should ever be talked that hard” so I’m stumped.

The tire and wheel spin freely.  I’m tempted to cut the steel rod off as close to the wheel pant as I can just so I can get the tire/wheel out.

Any ideas out there on a solution or something worth trying?



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG






Re: Axle Removal Problems

Corbin
 

Thanks, Anthony, that's another good idea.  I am worried I wouldn't be able to make certain I would be impacting in the dead center of the stuck rod since it is halfway through the wheel and hard to see one something is inserted.   But with a  long drift pin, it might be possible.  
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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Anthony P
 

I'm guessing the end of the steel pin has been slightly expanded/mushroomed. Very easy to do with what looks like hot rolled mild steel.

If you can cut the stuck steel rod without creating heat, and chamfer after cutting, and then move the wheel sideways enough so that everything drops out the bottom, I would do that.  Save the composites from more loads and impacts.

If you can't remove the wheel after the rod is cut, carefully use an air chisel or solid rivet gun to apply many, small impacts the the CENTER of stuck pin. You will probably need an intermediate drift pin for this, approx. 1/2 of the stuck pin diameter.
This smaller diameter intermediate pin must be centered during the impacts or you'll just make the problem worse.  Reducing the length of the stuck pin will reduce its mass and this will help it function less like its own bucking bar.


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Q2 N86KL


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Corbin
 

Thanks Jerry and Paul.  I can get to a pipe wrench and vise grips faster than a can of air so I’ll give that a go.
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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Jerry Marstall
 

Have you tried a pipe wrench to twist the rod?


On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 1:38 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Interesting idea!  I’ll run and grab some to try!

Corbin

On Dec 23, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:

Grab a can of "Dust Off" or whatever brand of canned air, turn the can upside down, and spray down your axle pusher-outer rod at the tip (try avoiding the axle, please). The liquid propellent is at about -30°F and will hopefully shrink the steel rod enough for you to knock it out of the axle. 

My axle pusher-outer stick is made from a wooden dowel with a point on it; got stuck last time I used it, too. Luckily it was wood so I just ripped it out and made a new one.

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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Paul Fisher
 

I'm guessing something is not aligned anymore which is why you can't drive it one way or the other.  I would use a pair of vicegrip pliers to PULL it back out.

Paul

On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 12:06 Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I’ve always had a bit of a headache removing the axle when needing to remove the tire.  In one of the pics below, the darker steel rod is what I use to slide in and tap out the axle (which is the other pic).  The axle will easily pull out from the position in the pic.  However, the rod I use to tap out the axle is stuck and won’t move back out or further in.

I have the plane raised so there is no weight on the tire.  I have tried tapping the axle back in to push back out the rod.  I’ve reached the pint of, “nothing should ever be talked that hard” so I’m stumped.

The tire and wheel spin freely.  I’m tempted to cut the steel rod off as close to the wheel pant as I can just so I can get the tire/wheel out.

Any ideas out there on a solution or something worth trying?



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG






Re: Axle Removal Problems

Corbin
 

Interesting idea!  I’ll run and grab some to try!

Corbin

On Dec 23, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:

Grab a can of "Dust Off" or whatever brand of canned air, turn the can upside down, and spray down your axle pusher-outer rod at the tip (try avoiding the axle, please). The liquid propellent is at about -30°F and will hopefully shrink the steel rod enough for you to knock it out of the axle. 

My axle pusher-outer stick is made from a wooden dowel with a point on it; got stuck last time I used it, too. Luckily it was wood so I just ripped it out and made a new one.

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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

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Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Michael Dunning
 

Grab a can of "Dust Off" or whatever brand of canned air, turn the can upside down, and spray down your axle pusher-outer rod at the tip (try avoiding the axle, please). The liquid propellent is at about -30°F and will hopefully shrink the steel rod enough for you to knock it out of the axle. 

My axle pusher-outer stick is made from a wooden dowel with a point on it; got stuck last time I used it, too. Luckily it was wood so I just ripped it out and made a new one.

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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Axle Removal Problems

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Corbin
I use a piece of PVC pipe instead of steel to tap the axle out. Perfect outer diameter and light weight too. It pushes out easily when reinstalling the wheel. I keep it in the Q2 in case of any tire issue. I changed to steel axles instead of the aluminum just FYI. Merry Christmas
Dave D


On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:12 PM, Corbin via groups.io
<c_geiser@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]

Typos corrected:  I’ve always had a bit of a headache removing the axle when needing to remove the tire.  In one of the pics below, the darker steel rod is what I use to slide in and tap out the axle (which is the other pic).  The axle will easily pull out from the position in the pic.  However, the rod I use to tap out the axle is stuck and won’t move back out or further in.

I have the plane raised so there is no weight on the tire.  I have tried tapping the axle back in to push back out the rod.  I’ve reached the point of, “nothing should ever be tapped that hard” so I’m stumped.


The tire and wheel spin freely.  I’m tempted to cut the steel rod off as close to the wheel pant as I can just so I can get the tire/wheel out.

Any ideas out there on a solution or something worth trying?



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG






Axle Removal Problems

Corbin
 
Edited

Typos corrected: I’ve always had a bit of a headache removing the axle when needing to remove the tire. In one of the pics below, the darker steel rod is what I use to slide in and tap out the axle (which is the other pic). The axle will easily pull out from the position in the pic. However, the rod I use to tap out the axle is stuck and won’t move back out or further in.

I have the plane raised so there is no weight on the tire. I have tried tapping the axle back in to push back out the rod. I’ve reached the point of, “nothing should ever be tapped that hard” so I’m stumped.

The tire and wheel spin freely. I’m tempted to cut the steel rod off as close to the wheel pant as I can just so I can get the tire/wheel out.

Any ideas out there on a solution or something worth trying?



Corbin

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Corbin
N121CG


Re: 0200 Engine

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks Jon, I'm looking forward to the AV30. It looks like a good unit. 

Merry Christmas to you, somewhere in the Southwest. 

Jim


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jon Finley <jd@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 4:16:54 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
Very nice update Jim!  Also good to hear that your airplane won't suck anymore!! 😋😂
(Can't believe this juvenile group hasn't already thought of this.... 😉 )

A few years back my flying buddy did a bunch of testing (mostly aerobatic work) with the AV-30 for Bill Shuert when they were creating it (before selling to uAvionics). He was very impressed with the unit and even bought a couple of them for his airplanes. A long way of saying... I think it is a solid device.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: 0200 Engine

Jon Finley
 

Very nice update Jim!  Also good to hear that your airplane won't suck anymore!! 😋😂
(Can't believe this juvenile group hasn't already thought of this.... 😉 )

A few years back my flying buddy did a bunch of testing (mostly aerobatic work) with the AV-30 for Bill Shuert when they were creating it (before selling to uAvionics). He was very impressed with the unit and even bought a couple of them for his airplanes. A long way of saying... I think it is a solid device.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: 0200 Engine

Jerry Marstall
 

I believe Sam has over 2000hrs


On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 10:31 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
Hey Jim, that's nearly 13 times around the world.  You got the high time award!

The AV30 looks nice, and at the price $1100? After rebate is killer.

Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer Q200 with only 1400 hours.


On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 9:37 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Kevin I am putting in two AV30’s (with wifi). Have they fixed the drift problem in the DH yet? The two units combined supposedly equate to an EFIS without tearing your panel apart. I plan to use the 1st one as an AI and the other as a DG but as you know, they both have optional screens. It would be nice if UA could come up with a glide slope. Maybe it's in the works. 😊

Jim 
N46JP Q200
I now have 1822 hours on my Q which equates to roughly 310,000 miles. I fly weekly and she still runs fast and steady. 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 4:32 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
Me too Jim!
Got an AV 30!

Kevin


On Dec 20, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Does anyone have an 0200 vacuum pump cover they would part with? I'm finally getting rid of about 30 lbs. of vacuum stuff. 

Jim
N46JP


Re: 0200 Engine

Mike Dwyer
 

Hey Jim, that's nearly 13 times around the world.  You got the high time award!

The AV30 looks nice, and at the price $1100? After rebate is killer.

Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer Q200 with only 1400 hours.


On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 9:37 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Kevin I am putting in two AV30’s (with wifi). Have they fixed the drift problem in the DH yet? The two units combined supposedly equate to an EFIS without tearing your panel apart. I plan to use the 1st one as an AI and the other as a DG but as you know, they both have optional screens. It would be nice if UA could come up with a glide slope. Maybe it's in the works. 😊

Jim 
N46JP Q200
I now have 1822 hours on my Q which equates to roughly 310,000 miles. I fly weekly and she still runs fast and steady. 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 4:32 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
Me too Jim!
Got an AV 30!

Kevin


On Dec 20, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Does anyone have an 0200 vacuum pump cover they would part with? I'm finally getting rid of about 30 lbs. of vacuum stuff. 

Jim
N46JP


Re: 0200 Engine

Jim Patillo
 

Kevin I am putting in two AV30’s (with wifi). Have they fixed the drift problem in the DH yet? The two units combined supposedly equate to an EFIS without tearing your panel apart. I plan to use the 1st one as an AI and the other as a DG but as you know, they both have optional screens. It would be nice if UA could come up with a glide slope. Maybe it's in the works. 😊

Jim 
N46JP Q200
I now have 1822 hours on my Q which equates to roughly 310,000 miles. I fly weekly and she still runs fast and steady. 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 4:32 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
Me too Jim!
Got an AV 30!

Kevin


On Dec 20, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Does anyone have an 0200 vacuum pump cover they would part with? I'm finally getting rid of about 30 lbs. of vacuum stuff. 

Jim
N46JP


Re: 0200 Engine

britmcman99
 

I saw that guy on twitter cut a pipe, stuff it with a cucumber, cut it smooth to the pipe and dollop JB Weld over the end. Looked like it might meet AC 43.13.

Hello Jim: Glad to see you moving into the modern era. Have you settled on any particular AHRS brand for your upgrade?

Phil Lankford

On Dec 20, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks guys. Mike N. Directed me to one. 

Jim
N46JP

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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 5:28:55 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
I did the same as Mike. Use the gasket as a template.

On Monday, December 20, 2021, 8:19:19 PM EST, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I think I just built one out of 1/4" AL.  Back before CAD so don't ask for a drawing!
Mike Dwyer Q200

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 8:15 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Does anyone have an 0200 vacuum pump cover they would part with? I'm finally getting rid of about 30 lbs. of vacuum stuff. 

Jim
N46JP


Re: 0200 Engine

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks for the input guys. I found a new one at Wentworth for 20 bucks. 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 5:57:51 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
I had not thought of this fix Rich.  Good advice!
Bruce

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From: "Richard Thomson" <richard@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 09:52:43 +0000

    Hi Jim

    There is an oil gallery on the face that is about 1/8th inch diameter. I used some PRC on an 1/8 countersink rivet to seal it off. had no leaks on my plate at all.

    Rich T

On 21/12/2021 03:45, Bruce Crain wrote:
Say Jim an A and P used a “wicking lock tight” at the outside of the crank case halves in the split.  I had not been able to get this area to seal the oil seep.  
I also used several 8 x 11 sheets of sand paper laid flat to “surface” the metal covere that replaced the suction pump when removed.  Cleared up most all of the oil seeps and things are now dry after several years.
Bruce Crain


On Dec 20, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Thanks guys. Mike N. Directed me to one. 
 
Jim
N46JP
 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Sheeley via groups.io <kjsheely1@...>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 5:28:55 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] 0200 Engine
 
I did the same as Mike. Use the gasket as a template.
 
On Monday, December 20, 2021, 8:19:19 PM EST, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
 
 
I think I just built one out of 1/4" AL.  Back before CAD so don't ask for a drawing!
Mike Dwyer Q200
 
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 8:15 PM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Does anyone have an 0200 vacuum pump cover they would part with? I'm finally getting rid of about 30 lbs. of vacuum stuff. 
 
Jim
N46JP
 


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