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Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Jay.. would you send you elevator profile plots? My aircraft will need both elevators built and adding a third pivot is already part of my canard...it has the pads bonded to the aft spar. PM if you prefer.

As for my wing I have one aileron..the other was never built that I can see. The difference might be I have the GU canard airfoil (being Dragonfly of course). I don't remember if you have the LS1 or GU canard for your Tri-Q.

 You see why my project from the git go is a true Frankenbird..pieces here and there..the kit was picked over and who knows what parts were left behind. No matter..it is all Shop time anyway and I never intended to build a clone.  

Vern 


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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Re designed midspan elevator pivot
 




I will put it in the files section, Sam.

 You are right Mike. Retrofitting would probably be impossible unless you build new elevators, but if someone is working on an unbuilt kit, it would work. Some have been known to build new elevators too. Right, Sam? 

I have an elevator design on my computer that would eliminate the sparrow strainer that I may build some day. Will go with the same design for the pivot if I build those.

Cheers,
Jay 


On Jan 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Jay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:55 PM Sam Hoskins via groups.io <sam.hoskins=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kay, how about archiving it on the Files section of the Q-List?

Sam

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Richard Thomson
 

Hi Jay,

Always liked this design, you have put some careful thought into aspects of your TriQ.

Would have thought it could be retrofitted to an existing set up, as a secondary support say 4 inches inboard of the current midspan. The doubler tube could be added fairly easily.

At least If the pin or the mounting or the bonded joint failed it would continue to support.

Rich T.

On 12/01/2022 06:23, Jay Scheevel wrote:




 I will put it in the files section, Sam.

 You are right Mike. Retrofitting would probably be impossible unless you build new elevators, but if someone is working on an unbuilt kit, it would work. Some have been known to build new elevators too. Right, Sam? 

I have an elevator design on my computer that would eliminate the sparrow strainer that I may build some day. Will go with the same design for the pivot if I build those.

Cheers,
Jay 


On Jan 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Jay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:55 PM Sam Hoskins via groups.io <sam.hoskins=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kay, how about archiving it on the Files section of the Q-List?

Sam

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

One Sky Dog
 

Jay,

Nice hinge design! 

Am I to understand you might have determined the elevator (airfoil) shape that would provide the same proportional down force without the local sparrow strainer drag?

Busting out the hot wire. But going flying today light winds high in the 60’s

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 11:23 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:





 I will put it in the files section, Sam.

 You are right Mike. Retrofitting would probably be impossible unless you build new elevators, but if someone is working on an unbuilt kit, it would work. Some have been known to build new elevators too. Right, Sam? 

I have an elevator design on my computer that would eliminate the sparrow strainer that I may build some day. Will go with the same design for the pivot if I build those.

Cheers,
Jay 


On Jan 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Jay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:55 PM Sam Hoskins via groups.io <sam.hoskins=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kay, how about archiving it on the Files section of the Q-List?

Sam

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Jay Scheevel
 





I will put it in the files section, Sam.

 You are right Mike. Retrofitting would probably be impossible unless you build new elevators, but if someone is working on an unbuilt kit, it would work. Some have been known to build new elevators too. Right, Sam? 

I have an elevator design on my computer that would eliminate the sparrow strainer that I may build some day. Will go with the same design for the pivot if I build those.

Cheers,
Jay 


On Jan 11, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


Jay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:55 PM Sam Hoskins via groups.io <sam.hoskins=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kay, how about archiving it on the Files section of the Q-List?

Sam

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Sam Hoskins
 

Jay.


On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:55 PM Sam Hoskins via groups.io <sam.hoskins=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kay, how about archiving it on the Files section of the Q-List?

Sam

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Mike Dwyer
 

I meant Jay... Would blame the spell checker but it's my fault!
Fly Safe,
Mike 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 10:50 PM Mike Dwyer via groups.io <q200pilot=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Really good design Pat.  I don't think an old design elevator could be retrofitted with this new design without building new elevators.  Is that correct?
Thanks,
Mike Dwyer Q200

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 7:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Sam Hoskins
 

Kay, how about archiving it on the Files section of the Q-List?

Sam

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Mike Dwyer
 

Really good design Pat.  I don't think an old design elevator could be retrofitted with this new design without building new elevators.  Is that correct?
Thanks,
Mike Dwyer Q200

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 7:53 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Jay Scheevel
 

As some of you may remember, I redesigned the mid-span pivot for the elevators on my Q-2, essentially retaining none of the original design, excepting the BL position of the pivot on the span of the elevator. I was motivated to do this re design based on a fatal accident caused by the failure of a midspan pivot pin on the original design. NTSB determined that the pivot pin failed as a result of corrosion and metal fatigue.

 

I wrote up my re design document at the time and posted it on the Yahoo group and labelled it as untested and unproven. I now have almost 200 flight hours on this design and it retains its original smooth operation, shows no wear and has demonstrated the design intent of superior strength, low friction, and zero corrosion. In addition, I can visually inspect all critical components of this pivot  in a few seconds during a preflight. 

 

So I am pleased to report that this re design is now a tested modification. I am reposting my design document for anyone who is interested.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel  Tri-Q2 N8WQ 200 hours


Q2 project in Sunriver, Oregon 90% comp. - $8,00

Bill Higdon
 

Found this on craigslist
https://bend.craigslist.org/avo/d/bend-q2-project-90-comp/7425980729.html


Re: Web site for flight planning

Jay Scheevel
 

What a great site John. Thanks for that.

Cheers,
Jay 


On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:59 PM, John Hartley via groups.io <John.hartley1@...> wrote:

Thanks for sharing Mike!
A fellow Florida fella here, down the road in Kissimmee. I almost always just read this list and let those smarter than me do the contributing. This time, I'll throw my $0.02 in the pile... let's say you're flying somewhere you haven't been before - to buy a widget, see a family member, who knows. You know the address you want to go to but you have to do the ForeFlight dance to find out the closest appropriate airport at which to land. Dance no more, just put the address in this site https://landingfinder.com
add whatever filters you like (runway length, paved, fuel type, etc) and it'll spit out the nearest airports to that address in distance-order.
I'll shrink back into the corner now. 

John

Most of the money I've made in my life has been spent on airplanes. I wasted the rest.


Re: Web site for flight planning

John Hartley
 

Thanks for sharing Mike!
A fellow Florida fella here, down the road in Kissimmee. I almost always just read this list and let those smarter than me do the contributing. This time, I'll throw my $0.02 in the pile... let's say you're flying somewhere you haven't been before - to buy a widget, see a family member, who knows. You know the address you want to go to but you have to do the ForeFlight dance to find out the closest appropriate airport at which to land. Dance no more, just put the address in this site https://landingfinder.com
add whatever filters you like (runway length, paved, fuel type, etc) and it'll spit out the nearest airports to that address in distance-order.
I'll shrink back into the corner now. 

John

Most of the money I've made in my life has been spent on airplanes. I wasted the rest.


Re: Web site for flight planning

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for posting your site! Lots of good info there.

 

You may be interested in to adding the following two links to your weather section. I find both of these extremely useful, with lots of information available in the type of map presentation and detail that pilots love to see, the forecasting is tied into Global Integrated Modeling frameworks used by NOAA, but is much more interactive and therefore useful for zeroing in on both long and short flights:

 

https://www.ventusky.com

and

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models

 

Cheers,

Jay

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Dwyer
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 3:21 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [Q-List] Web site for flight planning

 

You might find this link useful for flight planning.  Every time I find something useful, I add it to this list.   Lots of the ASOS are local to me or trips I've planned (you can ignore those).

 

 

 

Fly Safe,

Mike Dwyer Q200

 


Re: Web site for flight planning

Paul Fisher
 

Thanks Mike.  I'd suggest adding navmonster.com.  I use it often to get a view of current conditions for local flights (<250 miles).

Paul

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 16:21 Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
You might find this link useful for flight planning.  Every time I find something useful, I add it to this list.   Lots of the ASOS are local to me or trips I've planned (you can ignore those).



Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer Q200


Web site for flight planning

Mike Dwyer
 

You might find this link useful for flight planning.  Every time I find something useful, I add it to this list.   Lots of the ASOS are local to me or trips I've planned (you can ignore those).



Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer Q200


Re: Airport Operations at Commercial airports

Mike Dwyer
 

Awesome story Keith.  Thanks for sharing.
Mike Dwyer Q200

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022, 6:44 PM Keith Welsh <kw544@...> wrote:
Wow!  This badge stuff is interesting.
I've been flying out of KHUF since the 80"s.  HUF is a Class D with radar and operates like a class C.  It's been the 181st Natl Guard air wing since the 60's and now the 181st intelligence wing.  Major cool what they do. 
HUF has limited freight operations and two flight schools plus GA and the Natl Guard 181st Intelligence Wing based here.
The biggest change was when the fences went up after 911 and key's were issued to enter the hangar area.  Several of us had garage door clickers which was great until some dumbo let an idiot use their clicker who then helped themselves to the airport.  YA DON'T DRIVE CARS ON THE TAXI WAY!  And that was the end of the clickers.  Now they're going to card swipes with a camera looking at you.  Ok, I guess.
 
Last summer the week long military joint operation called Jaded Thunder was here which included F-16's, Osprey's, Tankers, and F-15E's from SJ plus other stuff and LOTS of military personnel.  Being the only tenant on the other side of the airport I found the F-15's were right in front of my hangar, about 20 of em.
There are two gates I have to pass through to get to my hangar.  Security was inside the first gate off the highway and drove in front of the gate to let me in, didn't have to use my key....cool.  I asked if I would be allowed to my hangar, he didn't know.  Said he knew I had a key for the second gate and to go find out.  He asked "What's the worse thing they can tell ya....leave?"  Oh...and he said not to tell em he let me in.  Gods honest truth.
 
Got lots of looks when I entered the hot ramp and drove up to the hangar.  One Sargent came over and asked what I was doing.  Told him this is was my hangar and would they mind if I watched...he said, OK.  Then I asked if I could open the big door and watch...he said, OK.  So I sat there for a little while, the jets were only about 75-100' in front of me and boy are they loud when idling, then he came over and motioned for me come out onto the ramp...told me I could see better from there.  Gods honest truth...I kid you not.  Here I am in shorts and a T-shirt the only civilian on a military hot ramp.  Later I asked if they would mind if I brought some family out and that I WOULD NOT advertise this opportunity keeping the invites to only a few people.  Not a problem.  Brought Vicki out the next day with lunch & drinks...why not?  Their base of operations was the hanger next to mine and the food!!  They had a gas grill with one of the grates missing and fire shooting all over the food.  I asked if that was a military model....noooo....they borrowed it from the guard base and it fell out of the pickup on the way over.  No one seemed to know where that grate section went. 
 
We had a great time visiting with the airmen and learned allot about the F-15E.  The next day one of the airmen came up to us and said the Air Wing commander sent out a text that evening to not worry about the folks in the hangar, they're OK.  I was told that he had driven by us several times checking things out.  Wouldn't you know nearly every airman, 18-23 year olds and a few pilots, noticed the Quickie and had to look.  While various jets were gone the crews had time to relax and would come over.  Several got to set in the Quickie and lots of pix were taken.  There was a guy in a blue polo shirt with Boeing on it walking around.  He was a wizo kind of guy and very talkative.  I asked if he was here to support the jets he said no these are MY airplanes and I'm responsible for each one of them and I was told where NOT to point the camera when they were being serviced.  He was responsible for communicating with the ground crews, troubleshooting and briefing the flight crews prior to each sortie about the jet they were about to fly.  He works with the ground crews, communicates to the Air Wing commander and flight crews any issues prior to flight and he had the power to ground an aircraft. A super nice guy with tons of responsibility.  I was impressed that the 20 year old crew chief of #503 had that power also.  That young man made it quite clear that his jet would not go down.  He understood the importance of that airplane flying.   
 
Vicki, our son & his wife and our 16 year old grand daughter were there the next day with food and drinks, may as well stay for lunch.  I thought it was interesting that many airmen walked by toward the porta-potties that day...anyway didn't think much about it till the next day when a Major came up to me and asked who that young girl was.  Ok, I get it...duh!!  She lettered in soccer as a sophomore, tall and very athletic.....you can fill in the blank.  :)
 
Throughout that experience a precious few of us got a behind the scenes look at our military airmen.  They are an absolutely phenomenal group of young men and women who take their responsibility very seriously. They love what they do and the cause for which they are doing it.  Those of us who got to watch, visit with and to know them those few short days came away more proud than ever to call ourselves AMERICANS!! 
 
The F-15E's were from the Seymour Johnson Air Force base in Goldsboro, NC.  Their jets were built from 1986-1989 they told us and that the F-15 is still in production.  Knowing they were supporting ground operations training I asked why the F-15?  Isn't it an air superiority fighter?  They said yes but that it can also drop bombs which it did from 30,000'.  I don't know if that's right but is what I was told.  Maybe one of you veterans would know perhaps like Leif Johnson from the RAFE.  
The Osprey's and F-16's were on the far side of the airport well away from us. 
 
I hope I haven't bored y'all too much.  It's freezing rain here through tomorrow and movies (wife's choices) are boring, and speaking of badges, I got thinking you all might enjoy what we hicks here in IN get to do from time to time.
Keith


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Bruce Crain" <jcrain2@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 20:39:24 -0600

We actually have two badges.  One we leave at the gate and the other stays on a lanyard around our neck or clip onto our shirts.  Both have our names and pictures on them so they can verify it is actually us walking out of the prison.  The badge also helps in case of a problem or riot.  We also wear checkered shirts to identify us from inmates in case the guards come in blazing.  If you’re on the ground and in a checkered shirt you might be ushered out more quickly.  

My friend Ralph entered once with his team sweat shirt from OSU.  It was Orange and Ralph was sitting with his circle of inmates for prayer and share.  (Their inmate clothing is total orange).  I asked them if they had seen Ralph a couple of times before Ralph said “oh you  son of a gun”.  The inmates fell out laughing!  I don’t remember if Ralph made that mistake again.
 
Bruce

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 2:24 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Jay,
 
Yes you need the badge to open the get to get out at Ogden but they dropped making you enter your PIN number to get out. You need the badge and secret PIN number to get in.
 
Charlie.





On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 1:17 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Do you need to have the badge to exit the prison?  😊

 

Sorry, could not resist.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports

 

I am required to have background check and badge to enter the prison that we minister.  Are pilots now considered "Terrorists"?  Probably thanks to 911 and other attacks.  And the border is porous so....

My 2 cents.

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ryszard Zadow" <ryszardzadow@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Cc: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:19:11 -0500

 

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:14, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

New regulations for hangar use at KOGD proof city hates GA pilots and builders.

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS 

 

 

 

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS

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Charlie

 






 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:05 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

Here is KOGD info it is a pain and Ogden City hates general aviation pilots and hangar owners.

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT 

 

 

 

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT

 

 

 

 

 

Charlie



 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 9:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Do any of you own/rent hangars at USA airports that have Scheduled airlines?

 

If so, I'd like to know how your airport handles TSA Badge requirements.

 

KPIE started charging a $20 a year badge fee and makes us take a TSA test on driving airport tugs and reporting bags that are left laying around... none of which we have at the General Aviation hangars!

 

The badge manager and I had a discussion.  He believes that all pilots flying have some sort of training and badges that allow them to walk on the ramp.  I told him that I could fly into any airport in the country and I don't need no stinking badge!  LOL.

 

Thanks,

Mike Dwyer Q200

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

 
 






Re: Airport Operations at Commercial airports

Dave Dugas
 

Great reading your story.... thanks. That's what America's been missing for too long. 
Dave D


On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 8:11 PM, Jerry Marstall
<jerrylm1986@...> wrote:
Great report. Envious. Jerry m

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022, 6:44 PM Keith Welsh <kw544@...> wrote:
Wow!  This badge stuff is interesting.
I've been flying out of KHUF since the 80"s.  HUF is a Class D with radar and operates like a class C.  It's been the 181st Natl Guard air wing since the 60's and now the 181st intelligence wing.  Major cool what they do. 
HUF has limited freight operations and two flight schools plus GA and the Natl Guard 181st Intelligence Wing based here.
The biggest change was when the fences went up after 911 and key's were issued to enter the hangar area.  Several of us had garage door clickers which was great until some dumbo let an idiot use their clicker who then helped themselves to the airport.  YA DON'T DRIVE CARS ON THE TAXI WAY!  And that was the end of the clickers.  Now they're going to card swipes with a camera looking at you.  Ok, I guess.
 
Last summer the week long military joint operation called Jaded Thunder was here which included F-16's, Osprey's, Tankers, and F-15E's from SJ plus other stuff and LOTS of military personnel.  Being the only tenant on the other side of the airport I found the F-15's were right in front of my hangar, about 20 of em.
There are two gates I have to pass through to get to my hangar.  Security was inside the first gate off the highway and drove in front of the gate to let me in, didn't have to use my key....cool.  I asked if I would be allowed to my hangar, he didn't know.  Said he knew I had a key for the second gate and to go find out.  He asked "What's the worse thing they can tell ya....leave?"  Oh...and he said not to tell em he let me in.  Gods honest truth.
 
Got lots of looks when I entered the hot ramp and drove up to the hangar.  One Sargent came over and asked what I was doing.  Told him this is was my hangar and would they mind if I watched...he said, OK.  Then I asked if I could open the big door and watch...he said, OK.  So I sat there for a little while, the jets were only about 75-100' in front of me and boy are they loud when idling, then he came over and motioned for me come out onto the ramp...told me I could see better from there.  Gods honest truth...I kid you not.  Here I am in shorts and a T-shirt the only civilian on a military hot ramp.  Later I asked if they would mind if I brought some family out and that I WOULD NOT advertise this opportunity keeping the invites to only a few people.  Not a problem.  Brought Vicki out the next day with lunch & drinks...why not?  Their base of operations was the hanger next to mine and the food!!  They had a gas grill with one of the grates missing and fire shooting all over the food.  I asked if that was a military model....noooo....they borrowed it from the guard base and it fell out of the pickup on the way over.  No one seemed to know where that grate section went. 
 
We had a great time visiting with the airmen and learned allot about the F-15E.  The next day one of the airmen came up to us and said the Air Wing commander sent out a text that evening to not worry about the folks in the hangar, they're OK.  I was told that he had driven by us several times checking things out.  Wouldn't you know nearly every airman, 18-23 year olds and a few pilots, noticed the Quickie and had to look.  While various jets were gone the crews had time to relax and would come over.  Several got to set in the Quickie and lots of pix were taken.  There was a guy in a blue polo shirt with Boeing on it walking around.  He was a wizo kind of guy and very talkative.  I asked if he was here to support the jets he said no these are MY airplanes and I'm responsible for each one of them and I was told where NOT to point the camera when they were being serviced.  He was responsible for communicating with the ground crews, troubleshooting and briefing the flight crews prior to each sortie about the jet they were about to fly.  He works with the ground crews, communicates to the Air Wing commander and flight crews any issues prior to flight and he had the power to ground an aircraft. A super nice guy with tons of responsibility.  I was impressed that the 20 year old crew chief of #503 had that power also.  That young man made it quite clear that his jet would not go down.  He understood the importance of that airplane flying.   
 
Vicki, our son & his wife and our 16 year old grand daughter were there the next day with food and drinks, may as well stay for lunch.  I thought it was interesting that many airmen walked by toward the porta-potties that day...anyway didn't think much about it till the next day when a Major came up to me and asked who that young girl was.  Ok, I get it...duh!!  She lettered in soccer as a sophomore, tall and very athletic.....you can fill in the blank.  :)
 
Throughout that experience a precious few of us got a behind the scenes look at our military airmen.  They are an absolutely phenomenal group of young men and women who take their responsibility very seriously. They love what they do and the cause for which they are doing it.  Those of us who got to watch, visit with and to know them those few short days came away more proud than ever to call ourselves AMERICANS!! 
 
The F-15E's were from the Seymour Johnson Air Force base in Goldsboro, NC.  Their jets were built from 1986-1989 they told us and that the F-15 is still in production.  Knowing they were supporting ground operations training I asked why the F-15?  Isn't it an air superiority fighter?  They said yes but that it can also drop bombs which it did from 30,000'.  I don't know if that's right but is what I was told.  Maybe one of you veterans would know perhaps like Leif Johnson from the RAFE.  
The Osprey's and F-16's were on the far side of the airport well away from us. 
 
I hope I haven't bored y'all too much.  It's freezing rain here through tomorrow and movies (wife's choices) are boring, and speaking of badges, I got thinking you all might enjoy what we hicks here in IN get to do from time to time.
Keith


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Bruce Crain" <jcrain2@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 20:39:24 -0600

We actually have two badges.  One we leave at the gate and the other stays on a lanyard around our neck or clip onto our shirts.  Both have our names and pictures on them so they can verify it is actually us walking out of the prison.  The badge also helps in case of a problem or riot.  We also wear checkered shirts to identify us from inmates in case the guards come in blazing.  If you’re on the ground and in a checkered shirt you might be ushered out more quickly.  

My friend Ralph entered once with his team sweat shirt from OSU.  It was Orange and Ralph was sitting with his circle of inmates for prayer and share.  (Their inmate clothing is total orange).  I asked them if they had seen Ralph a couple of times before Ralph said “oh you  son of a gun”.  The inmates fell out laughing!  I don’t remember if Ralph made that mistake again.
 
Bruce

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 2:24 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Jay,
 
Yes you need the badge to open the get to get out at Ogden but they dropped making you enter your PIN number to get out. You need the badge and secret PIN number to get in.
 
Charlie.





On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 1:17 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Do you need to have the badge to exit the prison?  😊

 

Sorry, could not resist.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports

 

I am required to have background check and badge to enter the prison that we minister.  Are pilots now considered "Terrorists"?  Probably thanks to 911 and other attacks.  And the border is porous so....

My 2 cents.

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ryszard Zadow" <ryszardzadow@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Cc: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:19:11 -0500

 

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:14, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

New regulations for hangar use at KOGD proof city hates GA pilots and builders.

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS 

 

 

 

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS

Legal publisher offering ordinance codification services for local governments, specializing in providing codes of ordinances in print and on the Internet

 

 

 

Charlie

 






 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:05 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

Here is KOGD info it is a pain and Ogden City hates general aviation pilots and hangar owners.

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT 

 

 

 

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT

 

 

 

 

 

Charlie



 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 9:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Do any of you own/rent hangars at USA airports that have Scheduled airlines?

 

If so, I'd like to know how your airport handles TSA Badge requirements.

 

KPIE started charging a $20 a year badge fee and makes us take a TSA test on driving airport tugs and reporting bags that are left laying around... none of which we have at the General Aviation hangars!

 

The badge manager and I had a discussion.  He believes that all pilots flying have some sort of training and badges that allow them to walk on the ramp.  I told him that I could fly into any airport in the country and I don't need no stinking badge!  LOL.

 

Thanks,

Mike Dwyer Q200

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

 
 






Re: Airport Operations at Commercial airports

Jerry Marstall
 

Great report. Envious. Jerry m


On Sat, Jan 8, 2022, 6:44 PM Keith Welsh <kw544@...> wrote:
Wow!  This badge stuff is interesting.
I've been flying out of KHUF since the 80"s.  HUF is a Class D with radar and operates like a class C.  It's been the 181st Natl Guard air wing since the 60's and now the 181st intelligence wing.  Major cool what they do. 
HUF has limited freight operations and two flight schools plus GA and the Natl Guard 181st Intelligence Wing based here.
The biggest change was when the fences went up after 911 and key's were issued to enter the hangar area.  Several of us had garage door clickers which was great until some dumbo let an idiot use their clicker who then helped themselves to the airport.  YA DON'T DRIVE CARS ON THE TAXI WAY!  And that was the end of the clickers.  Now they're going to card swipes with a camera looking at you.  Ok, I guess.
 
Last summer the week long military joint operation called Jaded Thunder was here which included F-16's, Osprey's, Tankers, and F-15E's from SJ plus other stuff and LOTS of military personnel.  Being the only tenant on the other side of the airport I found the F-15's were right in front of my hangar, about 20 of em.
There are two gates I have to pass through to get to my hangar.  Security was inside the first gate off the highway and drove in front of the gate to let me in, didn't have to use my key....cool.  I asked if I would be allowed to my hangar, he didn't know.  Said he knew I had a key for the second gate and to go find out.  He asked "What's the worse thing they can tell ya....leave?"  Oh...and he said not to tell em he let me in.  Gods honest truth.
 
Got lots of looks when I entered the hot ramp and drove up to the hangar.  One Sargent came over and asked what I was doing.  Told him this is was my hangar and would they mind if I watched...he said, OK.  Then I asked if I could open the big door and watch...he said, OK.  So I sat there for a little while, the jets were only about 75-100' in front of me and boy are they loud when idling, then he came over and motioned for me come out onto the ramp...told me I could see better from there.  Gods honest truth...I kid you not.  Here I am in shorts and a T-shirt the only civilian on a military hot ramp.  Later I asked if they would mind if I brought some family out and that I WOULD NOT advertise this opportunity keeping the invites to only a few people.  Not a problem.  Brought Vicki out the next day with lunch & drinks...why not?  Their base of operations was the hanger next to mine and the food!!  They had a gas grill with one of the grates missing and fire shooting all over the food.  I asked if that was a military model....noooo....they borrowed it from the guard base and it fell out of the pickup on the way over.  No one seemed to know where that grate section went. 
 
We had a great time visiting with the airmen and learned allot about the F-15E.  The next day one of the airmen came up to us and said the Air Wing commander sent out a text that evening to not worry about the folks in the hangar, they're OK.  I was told that he had driven by us several times checking things out.  Wouldn't you know nearly every airman, 18-23 year olds and a few pilots, noticed the Quickie and had to look.  While various jets were gone the crews had time to relax and would come over.  Several got to set in the Quickie and lots of pix were taken.  There was a guy in a blue polo shirt with Boeing on it walking around.  He was a wizo kind of guy and very talkative.  I asked if he was here to support the jets he said no these are MY airplanes and I'm responsible for each one of them and I was told where NOT to point the camera when they were being serviced.  He was responsible for communicating with the ground crews, troubleshooting and briefing the flight crews prior to each sortie about the jet they were about to fly.  He works with the ground crews, communicates to the Air Wing commander and flight crews any issues prior to flight and he had the power to ground an aircraft. A super nice guy with tons of responsibility.  I was impressed that the 20 year old crew chief of #503 had that power also.  That young man made it quite clear that his jet would not go down.  He understood the importance of that airplane flying.   
 
Vicki, our son & his wife and our 16 year old grand daughter were there the next day with food and drinks, may as well stay for lunch.  I thought it was interesting that many airmen walked by toward the porta-potties that day...anyway didn't think much about it till the next day when a Major came up to me and asked who that young girl was.  Ok, I get it...duh!!  She lettered in soccer as a sophomore, tall and very athletic.....you can fill in the blank.  :)
 
Throughout that experience a precious few of us got a behind the scenes look at our military airmen.  They are an absolutely phenomenal group of young men and women who take their responsibility very seriously. They love what they do and the cause for which they are doing it.  Those of us who got to watch, visit with and to know them those few short days came away more proud than ever to call ourselves AMERICANS!! 
 
The F-15E's were from the Seymour Johnson Air Force base in Goldsboro, NC.  Their jets were built from 1986-1989 they told us and that the F-15 is still in production.  Knowing they were supporting ground operations training I asked why the F-15?  Isn't it an air superiority fighter?  They said yes but that it can also drop bombs which it did from 30,000'.  I don't know if that's right but is what I was told.  Maybe one of you veterans would know perhaps like Leif Johnson from the RAFE.  
The Osprey's and F-16's were on the far side of the airport well away from us. 
 
I hope I haven't bored y'all too much.  It's freezing rain here through tomorrow and movies (wife's choices) are boring, and speaking of badges, I got thinking you all might enjoy what we hicks here in IN get to do from time to time.
Keith


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Bruce Crain" <jcrain2@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 20:39:24 -0600

We actually have two badges.  One we leave at the gate and the other stays on a lanyard around our neck or clip onto our shirts.  Both have our names and pictures on them so they can verify it is actually us walking out of the prison.  The badge also helps in case of a problem or riot.  We also wear checkered shirts to identify us from inmates in case the guards come in blazing.  If you’re on the ground and in a checkered shirt you might be ushered out more quickly.  

My friend Ralph entered once with his team sweat shirt from OSU.  It was Orange and Ralph was sitting with his circle of inmates for prayer and share.  (Their inmate clothing is total orange).  I asked them if they had seen Ralph a couple of times before Ralph said “oh you  son of a gun”.  The inmates fell out laughing!  I don’t remember if Ralph made that mistake again.
 
Bruce

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 2:24 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Jay,
 
Yes you need the badge to open the get to get out at Ogden but they dropped making you enter your PIN number to get out. You need the badge and secret PIN number to get in.
 
Charlie.





On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 1:17 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Do you need to have the badge to exit the prison?  😊

 

Sorry, could not resist.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports

 

I am required to have background check and badge to enter the prison that we minister.  Are pilots now considered "Terrorists"?  Probably thanks to 911 and other attacks.  And the border is porous so....

My 2 cents.

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ryszard Zadow" <ryszardzadow@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Cc: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:19:11 -0500

 

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:14, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

New regulations for hangar use at KOGD proof city hates GA pilots and builders.

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS 

 

 

 

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS

Legal publisher offering ordinance codification services for local governments, specializing in providing codes of ordinances in print and on the Internet

 

 

 

Charlie

 






 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:05 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

Here is KOGD info it is a pain and Ogden City hates general aviation pilots and hangar owners.

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT 

 

 

 

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT

 

 

 

 

 

Charlie



 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 9:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Do any of you own/rent hangars at USA airports that have Scheduled airlines?

 

If so, I'd like to know how your airport handles TSA Badge requirements.

 

KPIE started charging a $20 a year badge fee and makes us take a TSA test on driving airport tugs and reporting bags that are left laying around... none of which we have at the General Aviation hangars!

 

The badge manager and I had a discussion.  He believes that all pilots flying have some sort of training and badges that allow them to walk on the ramp.  I told him that I could fly into any airport in the country and I don't need no stinking badge!  LOL.

 

Thanks,

Mike Dwyer Q200

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

 
 






Re: Airport Operations at Commercial airports

Jay Scheevel
 

Great summary and commentary. Sometimes the best experiences are when you least expect them. Thanks for sharing all this. Hicks in the sticks are cool dudes👍😊

Cheers,
Jay


On Jan 8, 2022, at 4:44 PM, Keith Welsh <kw544@...> wrote:


Wow!  This badge stuff is interesting.
I've been flying out of KHUF since the 80"s.  HUF is a Class D with radar and operates like a class C.  It's been the 181st Natl Guard air wing since the 60's and now the 181st intelligence wing.  Major cool what they do. 
HUF has limited freight operations and two flight schools plus GA and the Natl Guard 181st Intelligence Wing based here.
The biggest change was when the fences went up after 911 and key's were issued to enter the hangar area.  Several of us had garage door clickers which was great until some dumbo let an idiot use their clicker who then helped themselves to the airport.  YA DON'T DRIVE CARS ON THE TAXI WAY!  And that was the end of the clickers.  Now they're going to card swipes with a camera looking at you.  Ok, I guess.
 
Last summer the week long military joint operation called Jaded Thunder was here which included F-16's, Osprey's, Tankers, and F-15E's from SJ plus other stuff and LOTS of military personnel.  Being the only tenant on the other side of the airport I found the F-15's were right in front of my hangar, about 20 of em.
There are two gates I have to pass through to get to my hangar.  Security was inside the first gate off the highway and drove in front of the gate to let me in, didn't have to use my key....cool.  I asked if I would be allowed to my hangar, he didn't know.  Said he knew I had a key for the second gate and to go find out.  He asked "What's the worse thing they can tell ya....leave?"  Oh...and he said not to tell em he let me in.  Gods honest truth.
 
Got lots of looks when I entered the hot ramp and drove up to the hangar.  One Sargent came over and asked what I was doing.  Told him this is was my hangar and would they mind if I watched...he said, OK.  Then I asked if I could open the big door and watch...he said, OK.  So I sat there for a little while, the jets were only about 75-100' in front of me and boy are they loud when idling, then he came over and motioned for me come out onto the ramp...told me I could see better from there.  Gods honest truth...I kid you not.  Here I am in shorts and a T-shirt the only civilian on a military hot ramp.  Later I asked if they would mind if I brought some family out and that I WOULD NOT advertise this opportunity keeping the invites to only a few people.  Not a problem.  Brought Vicki out the next day with lunch & drinks...why not?  Their base of operations was the hanger next to mine and the food!!  They had a gas grill with one of the grates missing and fire shooting all over the food.  I asked if that was a military model....noooo....they borrowed it from the guard base and it fell out of the pickup on the way over.  No one seemed to know where that grate section went. 
 
We had a great time visiting with the airmen and learned allot about the F-15E.  The next day one of the airmen came up to us and said the Air Wing commander sent out a text that evening to not worry about the folks in the hangar, they're OK.  I was told that he had driven by us several times checking things out.  Wouldn't you know nearly every airman, 18-23 year olds and a few pilots, noticed the Quickie and had to look.  While various jets were gone the crews had time to relax and would come over.  Several got to set in the Quickie and lots of pix were taken.  There was a guy in a blue polo shirt with Boeing on it walking around.  He was a wizo kind of guy and very talkative.  I asked if he was here to support the jets he said no these are MY airplanes and I'm responsible for each one of them and I was told where NOT to point the camera when they were being serviced.  He was responsible for communicating with the ground crews, troubleshooting and briefing the flight crews prior to each sortie about the jet they were about to fly.  He works with the ground crews, communicates to the Air Wing commander and flight crews any issues prior to flight and he had the power to ground an aircraft. A super nice guy with tons of responsibility.  I was impressed that the 20 year old crew chief of #503 had that power also.  That young man made it quite clear that his jet would not go down.  He understood the importance of that airplane flying.   
 
Vicki, our son & his wife and our 16 year old grand daughter were there the next day with food and drinks, may as well stay for lunch.  I thought it was interesting that many airmen walked by toward the porta-potties that day...anyway didn't think much about it till the next day when a Major came up to me and asked who that young girl was.  Ok, I get it...duh!!  She lettered in soccer as a sophomore, tall and very athletic.....you can fill in the blank.  :)
 
Throughout that experience a precious few of us got a behind the scenes look at our military airmen.  They are an absolutely phenomenal group of young men and women who take their responsibility very seriously. They love what they do and the cause for which they are doing it.  Those of us who got to watch, visit with and to know them those few short days came away more proud than ever to call ourselves AMERICANS!! 
 
The F-15E's were from the Seymour Johnson Air Force base in Goldsboro, NC.  Their jets were built from 1986-1989 they told us and that the F-15 is still in production.  Knowing they were supporting ground operations training I asked why the F-15?  Isn't it an air superiority fighter?  They said yes but that it can also drop bombs which it did from 30,000'.  I don't know if that's right but is what I was told.  Maybe one of you veterans would know perhaps like Leif Johnson from the RAFE.  
The Osprey's and F-16's were on the far side of the airport well away from us. 
 
I hope I haven't bored y'all too much.  It's freezing rain here through tomorrow and movies (wife's choices) are boring, and speaking of badges, I got thinking you all might enjoy what we hicks here in IN get to do from time to time.
Keith


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Bruce Crain" <jcrain2@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 20:39:24 -0600

We actually have two badges.  One we leave at the gate and the other stays on a lanyard around our neck or clip onto our shirts.  Both have our names and pictures on them so they can verify it is actually us walking out of the prison.  The badge also helps in case of a problem or riot.  We also wear checkered shirts to identify us from inmates in case the guards come in blazing.  If you’re on the ground and in a checkered shirt you might be ushered out more quickly.  

My friend Ralph entered once with his team sweat shirt from OSU.  It was Orange and Ralph was sitting with his circle of inmates for prayer and share.  (Their inmate clothing is total orange).  I asked them if they had seen Ralph a couple of times before Ralph said “oh you  son of a gun”.  The inmates fell out laughing!  I don’t remember if Ralph made that mistake again.
 
Bruce

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 2:24 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Jay,
 
Yes you need the badge to open the get to get out at Ogden but they dropped making you enter your PIN number to get out. You need the badge and secret PIN number to get in.
 
Charlie.





On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 1:17 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Do you need to have the badge to exit the prison?  😊

 

Sorry, could not resist.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports

 

I am required to have background check and badge to enter the prison that we minister.  Are pilots now considered "Terrorists"?  Probably thanks to 911 and other attacks.  And the border is porous so....

My 2 cents.

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ryszard Zadow" <ryszardzadow@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Cc: Q_List <Q-List@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:19:11 -0500

 

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:14, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

New regulations for hangar use at KOGD proof city hates GA pilots and builders.

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS 

 

 

 

 

POLICY 2040 NONAERONAUTICAL USE OF AIRPORT HANGARS

Legal publisher offering ordinance codification services for local governments, specializing in providing codes of ordinances in print and on the Internet

 

 

 

Charlie

 






 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:05 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

Here is KOGD info it is a pain and Ogden City hates general aviation pilots and hangar owners.

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT 

 

 

 

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT

 

 

 

 

 

Charlie



 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 9:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Do any of you own/rent hangars at USA airports that have Scheduled airlines?

 

If so, I'd like to know how your airport handles TSA Badge requirements.

 

KPIE started charging a $20 a year badge fee and makes us take a TSA test on driving airport tugs and reporting bags that are left laying around... none of which we have at the General Aviation hangars!

 

The badge manager and I had a discussion.  He believes that all pilots flying have some sort of training and badges that allow them to walk on the ramp.  I told him that I could fly into any airport in the country and I don't need no stinking badge!  LOL.

 

Thanks,

Mike Dwyer Q200

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

 
 






Re: Airport Operations at Commercial airports

Rodney Herzig
 

Great story Keith! Sounds like a really cool event. Hope to see you in September 

Rod Herzig 
CozyIII N399BR


On Jan 8, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Keith Welsh <kw544@...> wrote:


Wow!  This badge stuff is interesting.
I've been flying out of KHUF since the 80"s.  HUF is a Class D with radar and operates like a class C.  It's been the 181st Natl Guard air wing since the 60's and now the 181st intelligence wing.  Major cool what they do. 
HUF has limited freight operations and two flight schools plus GA and the Natl Guard 181st Intelligence Wing based here.
The biggest change was when the fences went up after 911 and key's were issued to enter the hangar area.  Several of us had garage door clickers which was great until some dumbo let an idiot use their clicker who then helped themselves to the airport.  YA DON'T DRIVE CARS ON THE TAXI WAY!  And that was the end of the clickers.  Now they're going to card swipes with a camera looking at you.  Ok, I guess.
 
Last summer the week long military joint operation called Jaded Thunder was here which included F-16's, Osprey's, Tankers, and F-15E's from SJ plus other stuff and LOTS of military personnel.  Being the only tenant on the other side of the airport I found the F-15's were right in front of my hangar, about 20 of em.
There are two gates I have to pass through to get to my hangar.  Security was inside the first gate off the highway and drove in front of the gate to let me in, didn't have to use my key....cool.  I asked if I would be allowed to my hangar, he didn't know.  Said he knew I had a key for the second gate and to go find out.  He asked "What's the worse thing they can tell ya....leave?"  Oh...and he said not to tell em he let me in.  Gods honest truth.
 
Got lots of looks when I entered the hot ramp and drove up to the hangar.  One Sargent came over and asked what I was doing.  Told him this is was my hangar and would they mind if I watched...he said, OK.  Then I asked if I could open the big door and watch...he said, OK.  So I sat there for a little while, the jets were only about 75-100' in front of me and boy are they loud when idling, then he came over and motioned for me come out onto the ramp...told me I could see better from there.  Gods honest truth...I kid you not.  Here I am in shorts and a T-shirt the only civilian on a military hot ramp.  Later I asked if they would mind if I brought some family out and that I WOULD NOT advertise this opportunity keeping the invites to only a few people.  Not a problem.  Brought Vicki out the next day with lunch & drinks...why not?  Their base of operations was the hanger next to mine and the food!!  They had a gas grill with one of the grates missing and fire shooting all over the food.  I asked if that was a military model....noooo....they borrowed it from the guard base and it fell out of the pickup on the way over.  No one seemed to know where that grate section went. 
 
We had a great time visiting with the airmen and learned allot about the F-15E.  The next day one of the airmen came up to us and said the Air Wing commander sent out a text that evening to not worry about the folks in the hangar, they're OK.  I was told that he had driven by us several times checking things out.  Wouldn't you know nearly every airman, 18-23 year olds and a few pilots, noticed the Quickie and had to look.  While various jets were gone the crews had time to relax and would come over.  Several got to set in the Quickie and lots of pix were taken.  There was a guy in a blue polo shirt with Boeing on it walking around.  He was a wizo kind of guy and very talkative.  I asked if he was here to support the jets he said no these are MY airplanes and I'm responsible for each one of them and I was told where NOT to point the camera when they were being serviced.  He was responsible for communicating with the ground crews, troubleshooting and briefing the flight crews prior to each sortie about the jet they were about to fly.  He works with the ground crews, communicates to the Air Wing commander and flight crews any issues prior to flight and he had the power to ground an aircraft. A super nice guy with tons of responsibility.  I was impressed that the 20 year old crew chief of #503 had that power also.  That young man made it quite clear that his jet would not go down.  He understood the importance of that airplane flying.   
 
Vicki, our son & his wife and our 16 year old grand daughter were there the next day with food and drinks, may as well stay for lunch.  I thought it was interesting that many airmen walked by toward the porta-potties that day...anyway didn't think much about it till the next day when a Major came up to me and asked who that young girl was.  Ok, I get it...duh!!  She lettered in soccer as a sophomore, tall and very athletic.....you can fill in the blank.  :)
 
Throughout that experience a precious few of us got a behind the scenes look at our military airmen.  They are an absolutely phenomenal group of young men and women who take their responsibility very seriously. They love what they do and the cause for which they are doing it.  Those of us who got to watch, visit with and to know them those few short days came away more proud than ever to call ourselves AMERICANS!! 
 
The F-15E's were from the Seymour Johnson Air Force base in Goldsboro, NC.  Their jets were built from 1986-1989 they told us and that the F-15 is still in production.  Knowing they were supporting ground operations training I asked why the F-15?  Isn't it an air superiority fighter?  They said yes but that it can also drop bombs which it did from 30,000'.  I don't know if that's right but is what I was told.  Maybe one of you veterans would know perhaps like Leif Johnson from the RAFE.  
The Osprey's and F-16's were on the far side of the airport well away from us. 
 
I hope I haven't bored y'all too much.  It's freezing rain here through tomorrow and movies (wife's choices) are boring, and speaking of badges, I got thinking you all might enjoy what we hicks here in IN get to do from time to time.
Keith


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Bruce Crain" <jcrain2@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 20:39:24 -0600

We actually have two badges.  One we leave at the gate and the other stays on a lanyard around our neck or clip onto our shirts.  Both have our names and pictures on them so they can verify it is actually us walking out of the prison.  The badge also helps in case of a problem or riot.  We also wear checkered shirts to identify us from inmates in case the guards come in blazing.  If you’re on the ground and in a checkered shirt you might be ushered out more quickly.  

My friend Ralph entered once with his team sweat shirt from OSU.  It was Orange and Ralph was sitting with his circle of inmates for prayer and share.  (Their inmate clothing is total orange).  I asked them if they had seen Ralph a couple of times before Ralph said “oh you  son of a gun”.  The inmates fell out laughing!  I don’t remember if Ralph made that mistake again.
 
Bruce

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 2:24 PM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Jay,
 
Yes you need the badge to open the get to get out at Ogden but they dropped making you enter your PIN number to get out. You need the badge and secret PIN number to get in.
 
Charlie.





On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 1:17 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Do you need to have the badge to exit the prison?  😊

 

Sorry, could not resist.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:14 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports

 

I am required to have background check and badge to enter the prison that we minister.  Are pilots now considered "Terrorists"?  Probably thanks to 911 and other attacks.  And the border is porous so....

My 2 cents.

Bruce

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From: "Ryszard Zadow" <ryszardzadow@...>
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Airport Operations at Commercial airports
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:19:11 -0500

 

 

On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:14, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

New regulations for hangar use at KOGD proof city hates GA pilots and builders.

 

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Charlie

 






 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 10:05 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

Here is KOGD info it is a pain and Ogden City hates general aviation pilots and hangar owners.

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT 

 

 

 

 

Airport Badging | Ogden, UT

 

 

 

 

 

Charlie



 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 9:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Do any of you own/rent hangars at USA airports that have Scheduled airlines?

 

If so, I'd like to know how your airport handles TSA Badge requirements.

 

KPIE started charging a $20 a year badge fee and makes us take a TSA test on driving airport tugs and reporting bags that are left laying around... none of which we have at the General Aviation hangars!

 

The badge manager and I had a discussion.  He believes that all pilots flying have some sort of training and badges that allow them to walk on the ramp.  I told him that I could fly into any airport in the country and I don't need no stinking badge!  LOL.

 

Thanks,

Mike Dwyer Q200

 

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

 

 

 
 





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