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Re: Large Appendix Sheets

Don Short
 

Corbin not sure I need any, I just wanted to join this group. I built a Q-2 in the late 80's and no longer have it. I wrecked it and sold as is to someone. Flew it for 5 years prior.. I just would love to have another one...

Thank You,
Don Short


On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:11 PM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I believe I have them all scanned at a resolution to print large scale.  Which one(s) are you needing?

Corbin

On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



I also have a full set. I can get them scanned 1 to 1 on a full sized scanner if there is a need. Which sheets are you specifically needing?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of David J. Gall
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 6:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Good question. I have mine but I’m guarding them jealously. What do you need?

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Dunning
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 5:08 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Is the only remaining source of the large appendix sheets and airfoil templates the Q2 info package from Quickheads/Canardzone? Mine were "consumed" in the building process...

https://www.canardzone.com/store/product/3-ultimate-quickie-q2q200-information-package/
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Re: Large Appendix Sheets

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I believe I have them all scanned at a resolution to print large scale.  Which one(s) are you needing?

Corbin

On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



I also have a full set. I can get them scanned 1 to 1 on a full sized scanner if there is a need. Which sheets are you specifically needing?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of David J. Gall
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 6:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Good question. I have mine but I’m guarding them jealously. What do you need?

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Dunning
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 5:08 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Is the only remaining source of the large appendix sheets and airfoil templates the Q2 info package from Quickheads/Canardzone? Mine were "consumed" in the building process...

https://www.canardzone.com/store/product/3-ultimate-quickie-q2q200-information-package/
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#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


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Re: Large Appendix Sheets

Jay Scheevel
 

I also have a full set. I can get them scanned 1 to 1 on a full sized scanner if there is a need. Which sheets are you specifically needing?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of David J. Gall
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 6:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Good question. I have mine but I’m guarding them jealously. What do you need?

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Dunning
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 5:08 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Is the only remaining source of the large appendix sheets and airfoil templates the Q2 info package from Quickheads/Canardzone? Mine were "consumed" in the building process...

https://www.canardzone.com/store/product/3-ultimate-quickie-q2q200-information-package/
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Large Appendix Sheets

David J. Gall
 

Good question. I have mine but I’m guarding them jealously. What do you need?

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Dunning
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 5:08 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Large Appendix Sheets

 

Is the only remaining source of the large appendix sheets and airfoil templates the Q2 info package from Quickheads/Canardzone? Mine were "consumed" in the building process...

https://www.canardzone.com/store/product/3-ultimate-quickie-q2q200-information-package/
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Large Appendix Sheets

Michael Dunning
 

Is the only remaining source of the large appendix sheets and airfoil templates the Q2 info package from Quickheads/Canardzone? Mine were "consumed" in the building process...

https://www.canardzone.com/store/product/3-ultimate-quickie-q2q200-information-package/
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Chris Walterson
 

Eugen-------------- I dug out my old construction pictures from the Q1 I built in 94.  I did lay up the glass on one side before turning. Then layed the glass on the other side. Then stand on nose and glue aileron fairings in place . Then install aileron hinges. Then , lay back down and install glass to hold aileron fairings to main wing.

 When the aileron hinges are installed the ailerons need to be made. As I said before it is better to install the  hinge inserts in the ailerons tubes and then attach them to the foam and glass. Same for elevators.

  That's my story and I am sticking to it.  Take care--------------  Chris


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Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Chris Walterson
 

Eugen------  I think the main wing cores need to be glassed before flipping and then you join the aileron cores, and glass them,

 At least that is how  I remember it on my Dragonfly and Q200. I think this is how it was done on the Q1 I built also. Could be wrong, it's been a while, but it makes sense  micro the cores together , while installing them in the jigging  templates.

 Lay up the glass on the foam going over the edge about an inch and covering the back shear web. Peel ply the entire wing or at least all the edges. Install the plywood jigs as in my photo and using a string or preferably lazer level and digital level.

Break the foam from the bottom jig and flip it onto the level plywood jigs , then glass this surface going over the back shear web and over the front. Don't forget to remove peel ply. Remember to install level block on finished wing. Now you can flip it on it's nose to glue on the aileron cores. You can make an airfoil template to help with aligning. Now you can turn it and glass the cores.  Leave on the plywood templates and finish the glassing using the plywood level jigs against the table.

This is how I prefer to do it.--------------  Chris




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Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Steve Rothert
 

See Photo section - Grove gear installation
Steve


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Bill,

 

0.31” X0.5”stainless strap. take the edges/corners off with emery cloth. The nutplate is  a MS21055L3 two lug all metal corner anchor (AN3 bolt, don’t remember the length, but yours may vary). Install the corner 45 degrees to the long dimension of the strap with flush rivets on the inside surface of the strap.

 

Fit everything together before you drill the strap so that you know it does not have any slop in the assembly. Do this before you install the phenolic anchor (modified CS 17) on the shear web, so you can do it all in a vice.

 

When you are installing the anchor (CS 17) on the shear web, you will be doing so using flox. Before you install this anchor, make sure you have already installed the inboard and outboard pivots permanently. Then, when you install the CS 17 before the flox sets up fully, install the midspan assembly complete with strap and move the elevator through its range several times, so that you are assured of perfect alignment once the flox is fully cured.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Higdon via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:02 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Re designed midspan elevator pivot

 

Jay,

In looking at the photo's & the data sheets for the nut plates, I'm wondering what size of stainless steel strap & nut plate did you use in your final version?

Bill Higdon


Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Eugen Pilarski
 

Hi @ all,

thanks for your comments and hints, after I spend two weekends to listen all Q-News letters and looks around for a solution that cover that issue.

Currently the solution that Terry indicate sounds like the best option, based on the fact, that the main wing at this stage need to turn around 90 degree without any layout of BID or UNI glass on it.  It's necessary to join the foam cores together with micro slurry and I'm not sure how strange this combo are before turn the wing to glass the shear web area. I think that this step is only necessary, as Anthony noted, because of gravity and the "lower" layers.  I also thought about building a partial vacuum in this area to save me the turning, but there is the problem of sealing, which is easier on a smooth surface than on a very porous one like the foam. Maybe I worry to much about this step.

@Terry, did you send the picture already?

Best regards

Eugen 


Re: Re designed midspan elevator pivot

Bill Higdon
 

Jay,

In looking at the photo's & the data sheets for the nut plates, I'm wondering what size of stainless steel strap & nut plate did you use in your final version?

Bill Higdon


Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Terry Crouch
 

Hi Eugen,

When I built my wing I leveled 4 saw horses all is the same plane and bonded them to the floor. I built a table on top of them with hinges on one side. Hinges pins must all line up. Leveled and aligned the wings jigs, Glasses around the aileron edge of the outer cores installed the cores. Then it is easy to lift the table 90 degrees and screw on some supports to hold it in place to glass sheer web. Pay attention to allow for thickness of sheer web overlap on to outer cores. I sent you some photos.

Terry Crouch
Quickie N14TC




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From: Eugen Pilarski <interbus@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2022 9:23 am
Subject: [Q-List] Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Hello Q-Community,

Im on my way to build the main wing, please find in the attachment picture from ailerons slot with 1 bid 45° with some peelply on the top.

Additional to that it´s necessary to flip the table to place 2 Bid at 45° to Spanwise direction, page 9-7 of  Quickie Plans. Is there any solution available to do not flip the table (picture in attachment) ? I do not like to move the Jigs in any way after spend couple of hour to level the table and the wing.

Best regards 

Eugen 


Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Yes it is the way to do this.. in the factory settings these types of tools are named "strongbacks".  A stable frame of some kind to maintain the wing in construction or during moves to final join. The wings I am more used to working with are as much as 20 meters span or more each but the same reasoning and methods apply. 

 Eugen.. adding the piece highlighted in red below that Chris mentions in his build process for final alignment before moving anything is a key feature. 
Setting your decalage much simplified.

 In my case, with finished surfaces, decalage is going to be a bit of a challenge fitting accurately within the fuselage shell. 😌   


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Chris Walterson <dkeats@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 10:21 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel
 
 Eugen  I made four sets of adjustable jigs.  While the wing is in the
jig I bondod the  slotted plywood to the wing.  The other pieces of
plywood are installed with two bolts in the slots for adjustment. Using
a string and digital level the plywood pieces are leveled and
tightened.  Before moving anything I glued a piece of plywood on the
wing for level reference.. Now you can  break the wing loose and attach
the aileron slots. After you can flip the wing onto the leveled plywood
and glass some more. Once the wing is glassed I also install another
plywood piece on top for level reference during installation in the
fuslelage.

  Clear as mud???           Chris


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Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Chris Walterson
 

Eugen  I made four sets of adjustable jigs.  While the wing is in the jig I bondod the  slotted plywood to the wing.  The other pieces of plywood are installed with two bolts in the slots for adjustment. Using a string and digital level the plywood pieces are leveled and tightened.  Before moving anything I glued a piece of plywood on the wing for level reference.. Now you can  break the wing loose and attach the aileron slots. After you can flip the wing onto the leveled plywood and glass some more. Once the wing is glassed I also install another plywood piece on top for level reference during installation in the fuslelage.

 Clear as mud???           Chris


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Re: Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Anthony P
 



Get two of these or make your own from wood or metal.

It looks like they're just trying to get gravity to work with you instead of against.  
If you can fixture, clamp, and vacuum bag well enough, I bet it can be done horizontally.
You seem to be very good at fixturing and vacuum bagging.


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Q1 - Main wing - Flip tabel

Eugen Pilarski
 

Hello Q-Community,

Im on my way to build the main wing, please find in the attachment picture from ailerons slot with 1 bid 45° with some peelply on the top.

Additional to that it´s necessary to flip the table to place 2 Bid at 45° to Spanwise direction, page 9-7 of  Quickie Plans. Is there any solution available to do not flip the table (picture in attachment) ? I do not like to move the Jigs in any way after spend couple of hour to level the table and the wing.

Best regards 

Eugen 


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Jon Finley
 

I had a chance to take a look at Steve and Al's aluminum gear installation (in a DF) and they did a really nice job!  The ability to remove the canard (and wing) from a DF has always been a neat advantage - being able to leave the airplane on its gear while doing so would seem to be a huge advantage.

Back to the fiberglass DF hoop gear, there used to be a 'plan' available for this gear. I half helped a fellow build one a very long time ago. Like the EZ gear (but wider, shorter, and more 'bow') it required a form and consumed a LOT of glass and epoxy but seemed to work just fine.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Steve Rothert
 

We have not yet done a Weight & Balance. We took a lot of measurements when having the Grove landing gear made, in an attempt to maintain the same height off the ground. The pilot seems to sit just a bit higher, maybe 1 or two inches. Will try to take some pictures, the next time I am at the owner's hangar.

I'm trying to help the owner get signed onto this group, so he can particpate.

Steve


Re: Modified video

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks so much for the pointers, Jon. I will look into the Smart Remote. Sounds like it I will simplify things. Much appreciated.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Finley
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:38 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Modified video

 

No doubt... GoPro Quik is not very intuitive. Once you select a media file and add the desired "gauges", select the scissor icon (Create a Clip). This allows you to select the portion of the media file to output (all of it down to just a small portion) and then Save. You can then select a new file name, video quality, and save it locally.

I really like the VSI and map that the Telemetry Overlay software provides. 👍 The GoPro Quik gauges are probably fine for some applications but I'm not a fan.  Anxious for the Bennies to start falling so I have another reason to spend more hours sitting at my computer!! 😉

Since your already in the money...  Once you get to the point of running several GoPro cameras, the GoPro Smart Remote is the ticket.  Using the app in the cockpit is neat but I found it far too time consuming to be switching cameras and then starting/stopping them while simultaneously trying to avoid low flying rocks and trees. 😲 The Smart Remote is fairly basic - change mode and start/stop recording of all connected cameras - but is quick and easy.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Modified video

Jon Finley
 

No doubt... GoPro Quik is not very intuitive. Once you select a media file and add the desired "gauges", select the scissor icon (Create a Clip). This allows you to select the portion of the media file to output (all of it down to just a small portion) and then Save. You can then select a new file name, video quality, and save it locally.

I really like the VSI and map that the Telemetry Overlay software provides. 👍 The GoPro Quik gauges are probably fine for some applications but I'm not a fan.  Anxious for the Bennies to start falling so I have another reason to spend more hours sitting at my computer!! 😉

Since your already in the money...  Once you get to the point of running several GoPro cameras, the GoPro Smart Remote is the ticket.  Using the app in the cockpit is neat but I found it far too time consuming to be switching cameras and then starting/stopping them while simultaneously trying to avoid low flying rocks and trees. 😲 The Smart Remote is fairly basic - change mode and start/stop recording of all connected cameras - but is quick and easy.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4

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