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Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

RMARIETTA@...
 

Raven of Boulder CO is working on the 3 cyclinder, 4 cycle, water cooled,
laid hortz. with a redrive that is designed to use the same egine mount as
the Rotax 503. HP-45-50, 90 lbs.
They have been working with this engine for some time, just recently using it
in the hort. position.


Re: Great flying airplanes

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

BD5ER@... wrote:

Don't think like an "air head", Water-cooled is the way to go <G>
But not for everybody. The VW Tp IV should also be on your list.
I have a Type IV core engine available cheap...

Pat


Re: Aircraft Registration

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

James Postma wrote:

I would like to speak to someone off list who has experience or knowledge about reregistering an experimental aircraft with the FAA which has had its registration deleted and sold as parts.
James,

Any luck with finding the answer?

Pat


Re: sliding BROWNer

Jim Patillo <patillo@...>
 

I wanted something very simple that I could install quick release locking
pins in. My canopy can be removed in about 10 seconds.

Materials required: (4) 1" x 12 x 1/4" pieces of flat bar aluminum, four
locking pins and nuts and bolts, very simple. Bottom end of arms attaches
fuselage and top of arms to canopy forming a parallel a gram. There is about
4" between fuselage and canopy when open, providing the "right" amount of
air when taxiing on a hot summer day. Vision is not compromised. "Racking"
is minimal when opening or closing canopy.

I tried both the side hinge and forward hinge before settling on this
configuration.

If anyone is interested in this setup, contact me off line.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200


The 4 arm canopy that patillo has gets you the air blast but does not lay
down close enough to the front deck when open. This may discourage one
from
having it open during taxi. I dunno. It probably racks a little but may be
more stable than the sliders.

j.





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Re: sliding BROWNer

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 11:19:36 AM Central Standard Time,
patillo@... writes:


I wanted something very simple that I could install quick release locking
pins in. My canopy can be removed in about 10 seconds.

Emergency egress is important to me. I figure you could blow a forward hinge
canopy in about 5 seconds or less. I think 10 for the parallelogram is quite
good... and you have the advantage of summer airflow.

j.


Re: sliding BROWNer

Archer Family <blues@...>
 

You could use two cables and six pulleys I think. Take one cable and run
forward from one side's slide beyond most forward postion , turn 90 degrees
over to the other side, turn aft and back to beyond rearmost position, and
then turn 180 degrees back and connect to aft side of other slide. Do the
same thing from the opposite side. Get the picture? They do the same thing
on automotive lifts, called load equalization cables. Bill Archer

-----Original Message-----
From: JMasal@... [mailto:JMasal@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:11 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: sliding BROWNer


J'ever notice that Malechek is a little fussy about his sliding canopy, Mr
B.
? If someone is not careful and he gets a little racking, the sliders can
come off track. To stop the racking one has to somehow connect both sides so
they both move simultaneously and equally. I have seen a system of cables
and
pulleys on a Dragonfly that prevents an unequal distribution of force but I
ain't got it figured out yet.

The 4 arm canopy that patillo has gets you the air blast but does not lay
down close enough to the front deck when open. This may discourage one from
having it open during taxi. I dunno. It probably racks a little but may be
more stable than the sliders.

j.





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Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 12/31/01 11:11:29 PM Central Standard Time,
KingDWS@... writes:


Since Jim says you can put something other than a Onan in my Q1 Kit,
I'll take a step to the middle and say "FOLLOW THE PLANS"

Happy New Years EveryOne

Dave K
I dint say you should DO it, wise guy, I only said I've flown behind them.
I'm just makin' a theoretical estimation you unnerstand.


Re: Measurements.camber

david.cyr@...
 

I'll say this. The negative camber does cause tire wear to be off center to the
inside of the tire. I don't know whether that's good or bad. I let the tire wear
on one side, then turn them around and wear the other side. I am getting about
175-200 hours per set of tires. I should go back and count the landings made in
that time to get a better comparison with other airplanes. The Gall alignment
should even out the tire wear, but maybe should include removing the toe out
when it is done. Has anyone experience with a "zero-zero" setting for toe and
camber?>

Bob Farnam,
Yes, I have a zero-zero set up. I inadvertently "half corrected" my camber when
I decided to remove the 2" toe-out that we had built into the Q2 at construction
time. I say half corrected, because I sighted the axle holes dead center when
the Q2 was on its mains with only its empty weight deflecting the canard. I
believe I noted a significant improvement in stability as a result. After
reading the David Gall article a few years later, I changed the camber to zero,
still with zero toe-in/out. I recall seeing some additional improvement. I
have (on occasion) rolled to a stop without moving the pedals, on a very smooth
runway. BTW, I rely heavily on reverse aileron steering for extra help when
needed... I don't have dual brakes, reflexor, belly-board or any other mod
other than a vertical tail-wheel pivot.
Dave Cyr


Re: sliding BROWNer

JMasal@...
 

J'ever notice that Malechek is a little fussy about his sliding canopy, Mr B.
? If someone is not careful and he gets a little racking, the sliders can
come off track. To stop the racking one has to somehow connect both sides so
they both move simultaneously and equally. I have seen a system of cables and
pulleys on a Dragonfly that prevents an unequal distribution of force but I
ain't got it figured out yet.

The 4 arm canopy that patillo has gets you the air blast but does not lay
down close enough to the front deck when open. This may discourage one from
having it open during taxi. I dunno. It probably racks a little but may be
more stable than the sliders.

j.


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

Dave King <KingDWS@...>
 

At 11:37 PM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Having flown behind a so-called Onan 22hp, a Global and a Rotax, I think that
35 horses would be just about right for a Quickie. Seems like the 503's are
excessive and need to be restrained by prop pitch.

j.
Since Jim says you can put something other than a Onan in my Q1 Kit,
I'll take a step to the middle and say "FOLLOW THE PLANS"

Happy New Years EveryOne

Dave K


Great flying airplanes!

Fisher Paul <FisherPaul@...>
 

Since 2001 wasn't a good year for aviation, I spent the last day of the
year, exercising our freedom to fly. Other than being cold (18 degrees F),
it was a beautifully clear day with 30-50 miles of visibility. The air was
so smooth, I just didn't want to come down! When I did finally bring it
home, the Hobbes showed 940.0 hours.

For those of you who are still building, you have GOT to get finished.
These airplanes are just too much fun to let them sit on the ground. Stop
trying to re-design them. Bob and Jim have given you the keys to getting a
good flying airplane. Once you have it flying you can change it as much as
you want - but I'm willing to bet that once you have it flying, you won't
want to ground it long enough to make too many changes!

Happy New Year Everyone!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200, N17PF ~940 hours
fisherpaul@...


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

Dave King <KingDWS@...>
 

At 08:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
I'm planning on picking up my new project next weekend and would kind
of like to have it flying about the same time that my brother gets his Tri-Q
in the air. I have not yet decided on the "proper" power plant but I have
run across a 22 Hp V2 that, weighs a bit less than the Onan (minus radiator;
and fluid), has a nice flat torque curve that peaks in the right spot for
direct drive, is affordable, - but is only 22 Hp.
You know I'm really rather picky on what engine I'll let you put on MY kit ;-]
Depending on what engine you have to start with you can get an easy 35
hp out of them. The Kohler has a 100 extra cc's displacement but the Brigg's
and Honda's have a lot of after market parts. All of them are involved in racing
and will put out 70+ hp in race trim. Just your regular everyday lawn mower engine
burning nitro.....

I think there are two people onlist getting ready to fly behind the Kohlers, The Brigg's
has flown in several guises and there is a German conversion rated at 38hp. The Honda
was out as the "David engine" by Sky West. I think those turned out to be more hype
than horsepower 45-60hp from a 630cc. engine.

Dave


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed - Onan, firewall forward with prop and cowling For Sale

John Loram <johnl@...>
 

I have an Onan, firewall forward with prop, cowling and motor mounts for
sale including the prop. It was last flown about 8 years ago. Stored indoors
in a heated space but not pickled.

$300 + shipping.

-john-

-----Original Message-----
From: jtenhave@... [mailto:jtenhave@...]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:40 PM
To: 'Q-LIST@...'
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed


Leon,

...you might want to consider reducing
the variables somewhat by either purchasing an Onan firewall forward
package( they are not exactly a sought after commodity) and using that to
debug the airframe...


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
 

Leon,

has your project flown at all? If not, you might want to consider reducing
the variables somewhat by either purchasing an Onan firewall forward
package( they are not exactly a sought after commodity) and using that to
debug the airframe, learn to fly it and then or parallel to that effort
develop the new power plant.

If the airframe is a proven performer, have a look at one of the back
issues of "Contact" which describes Leon Davis's conversion of the engine
to which you refer - it will save you a great deal of grief. ( he is a
pretty smart engineer and did nice work on that project)

A final comment on low HP powerplants. a 2 hp degradation in performance
is not much normally, but if the engine is only good for 20 hp it is a 10%
reduction so maintaining optimum tune is extremely important. Higher HP
engines are a bit more tolerant of being slightly off song. Performance
is closely related to power to wieght ratios. If you want the best from the
power available, get the weight down and keep it down. Too often the
decision is made to put a more powerful engine in to compensate and the
attention to wieght saving is relaxed. The net result being that much of
the anticipated gain is lost.

The number of times I have been outclimbed by an otherwise identical Q1
flown by a pilot 20 kg lighter than I ( the fact that he was a much better
pilot had absolutely nothing to do with it ;-)) are too numerous to
mention. That said, the life of an anorexic midget is not for everyone....

John

-----Original Message-----
From: BD5ER@... [SMTP:BD5ER@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 12:19 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

I'm planning on picking up my new project next weekend and would
kind
of like to have it flying about the same time that my brother gets his
Tri-Q
in the air. I have not yet decided on the "proper" power plant but I have
run across a 22 Hp V2 that, weighs a bit less than the Onan (minus
radiator;
and fluid), has a nice flat torque curve that peaks in the right spot for
direct drive, is affordable, - but is only 22 Hp.
I will normally fly at high density altitudes and at high gross and
know that even the high horsepower versions of the Onan were not really up
to
the job. What I would like is some feed back (or even speculation with
logic
attached) from some current or former Q-1 pilots on just how much Hp is
"enough".
Will also entertain alternate powerplant recommendations - excluding
2
stroke. There is nothing wrong with a 2 stroke in a Q-1, but it's just not
for me.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Think outside the box......Fly in the envelope

Leon McAtee
Q-2/turbo VW Rabbit GTI/G-60
Q-1//3 Cyl Diahatsu Diesel?????????????????????????????






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Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

JMasal@...
 

Having flown behind a so-called Onan 22hp, a Global and a Rotax, I think that
35 horses would be just about right for a Quickie. Seems like the 503's are
excessive and need to be restrained by prop pitch.

j.


Re: Happy New Year to all y'all.

JMasal@...
 

Nuff said.


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 12/31/01 7:58:02 PM Central Standard Time, BD5ER@...
writes:



I didn't know that Leon (strange name) Davis
Actually I think it's Leeon. They do some funky things out in west Texas.


Re: Measurements.camber

Neil Jepsen <jepsen@...>
 

Hi Chris W
Thanks for your input. I've never seen a pair of ice
skates in my life, let alone a frozen lake. I drove past a lake in our
south island once, that sometimes freezes over, but thats the closest
I've been. I saw a puddle frozen over once, but that was years ago!
I take your point about steering when one wheel lifts. I haven't
experienced that yet...the instability is with all 3 wheels down. I
haven't made any progress since last week, as I've been aeway towing
gliders for a week, and today is new yrs day, so I probably would get
into trouble with "she who must be obeyed" if I went to the airport
today.
There was an interesting comment on the Dragonfly list yesterday
regarding handling, and it alludes to the fact that maybe some ( a lot?)
of my trouble may be the heavy footed pilot. However. someone said today
that on a scale of 0-10, the Q2 was a 7 in the handling dept cf other
tail draggers. I've flown TGs for over a 1000 hrs and many types, and on
a scale of 0-10, my Q2 is 0 at present. Tomorrows another day.
seasons greetings Chris
neil



DorotheaKeats and ChrisWalterson wrote:

Neil Jepsen-------- I had built my little Quickie per plans and
then
stuffed the 503 Rotax in the front end. I increased the gross to 600
lbs and this gave me quit a bit on - camber. I flew it about 30 hrs

before I did the Gall mod and I think it was only my Dragonfly
experience that kept me on the runway. After the Gall mod it was much

better. Before, when all the wheels were on the runway it was not too

bad , but if one wheel lifted before the other as in taking off , or
landing in a crosswind it was a real handfull.
Do an experiment. Grab a set of roller blades or ice skates. Go
wide open and with both skates at 0 camber in a glide , lift one
skate.
You should still go straight ahead. Now do the same thing but give
your
skates some - camber and then lift one skate. You will turn away from

the skate that is still on the ice. This is the same thing that
happens on the airplane . If the right wheel is on the ground , you
turn
left if there is - camber. A little hard for your brain to digest when

you are doing seventy down the runway with your ailerons and rudder
saying you should be going right. Once the wheel is airborn, all is
well.
Small amounts of + or - camber are of no concern, but when you can
visually see that the wheel is canted , be aware. My wheels are set
to
0 camber and 0 toe out at gross and it all works for me. That's what
I
found.------------Canada Chris


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Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

Hot Wings
 

In a message dated 12/31/01 6:45:29 PM Mountain Standard Time,
jtenhave@... writes:


. That said, the life of an anorexic midget is not for everyone....
This is something I will NEVER know - but I should try a bit harder on
the anorexic part<G>
I didn't know that Leon (strange name) Davis had been working with
water-cooled motors. He does have a bunch of experience with the smaller
power plants so I guess I'll have to scare up a copy of Contact.
Thanks for the tip.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Think outside the box......Fly in the envelope

Leon McAtee
Q-2/turbo VW Rabbit GTI/G-60
Q-1//3 Cyl Diahatsu Diesel????????????????????


Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

Hot Wings
 

I'm planning on picking up my new project next weekend and would kind
of like to have it flying about the same time that my brother gets his Tri-Q
in the air. I have not yet decided on the "proper" power plant but I have
run across a 22 Hp V2 that, weighs a bit less than the Onan (minus radiator;
and fluid), has a nice flat torque curve that peaks in the right spot for
direct drive, is affordable, - but is only 22 Hp.
I will normally fly at high density altitudes and at high gross and
know that even the high horsepower versions of the Onan were not really up to
the job. What I would like is some feed back (or even speculation with logic
attached) from some current or former Q-1 pilots on just how much Hp is
"enough".
Will also entertain alternate powerplant recommendations - excluding 2
stroke. There is nothing wrong with a 2 stroke in a Q-1, but it's just not
for me.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Think outside the box......Fly in the envelope

Leon McAtee
Q-2/turbo VW Rabbit GTI/G-60
Q-1//3 Cyl Diahatsu Diesel?????????????????????????????