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Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

John Hartley
 

Mike,

Sorry to hear about your experience. Glad to see the video of you, hands on your hips, talking to the first responders. You did great, sir.

I have a 21' flat bed aluminum trailer and a couple engine hoists in Kissimmee. If they can be of any assistance in your recovery efforts, please let me know.

John Hartley
740-352-5752

Most of the money I've made in my life has been spent on airplanes. I wasted the rest.
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Frankenbird Vern
 

 You might take a look at the Amzoil racer incident. You will find it is not only a tandem wing design but 
was constructed by RAF specifically with the features you are alluding to.  There are some other 
revisions since then that can also add margins, to a limit. 

 Survival has much has to do with time available to evaluate. Dave arriving at the FOD in Enid, now Mike. 
The amount of time to deal with a "7700" code is pertinent. I had my first in flight emergency rather early 
in my piloting days (had just soloed 2 hours before with a total of 7.5 hours in my logbook!), and it was at 
possibly the worst time frame in any flight. But I learned each pilot who has experienced an in-flight emergency 
had a problem "package" to deal with and all of us can learn something very positive from their experiences.  

 Something that really bugs the hell out of me is the non-flying public doesn't understand is when a pilot that 
is well versed and confident in the machine, then has an in-flight emergency, the training kicks in.. AFTER 
some delay to realize what is happening, they have a very good chance to survive. The airplane doesn't just 
fall out of the sky in a "nose dive". The airplane probably won't survive, but it is a machine and can be replaced. 
It is expendable; but those below and inside are not, and in the midst of the emergency that is exactly the 
mindset needed.   
 
 All of a sudden the "what if" becomes VERY real, and the survivor PIC always does this "fly the airplane first!" 

 In my case a rental Cessna 152 gave me a behind the instrument panel electrical fire, which quickly progressed 
to a full on carpet blaze and the cabin almost instantly full of stinging and choking smoke. Once I realized the 
emergency situation my training kicked in.  I hit the main buss, opened the window to evacuate the smoke and 
then had to beat the flaming carpet fire out with my metal E6B! As Richard Prior once said..FIRE IS INSPIRATIONAL! 

I did this all at about 600 feet, already past the runway, and in a TRIMMED climb (I stress that as I had practiced 
and was trained to do, the aircraft was already trimmed for best climb speed) and over a large area of residential housing 
below. No idea how much fire I still had going on, or where, but the airplane was still controllable and the 
powerplant still operating.  

 First thing after the visible fire was out...fly airspeed best rate of climb away from the residential, next level off, turn and 
return, last was line up for the grass downwind and prepare to abandon ship as soon as possible. I shut the engine and fuel 
selector off in the flare. BOTH off. There was no time for radio work and the main buss was off anyway. North Little Rock Municipal
was a non controlled field and is where I learned to fly from. The active was 18 that day, light breezes, CAVU. 

 Once below about 20 mph I unstrapped and took the exit allowing the airplane to roll in the grass near the active past 
me to a clear area from anyone or anything else. All of this happened in less than probably 8 minutes time.     

 Years later I was fortunate enough to listen to Capt. Sully in person. An Airbus is a bit different than a Cessna. The forum 
was totally dedicated and endorsed by the Seattle area F.A.A. and I took the day off from work at Boeing to go. Totally 
about emergency landing experiences as told by other pilots. I would HIGHLY suggest any here who have not yet 
done so to attend any such offerings from the E.A.A. or F.A.A.  

 From the Aerospace Engineering side, Ian, we can only build in so much margin..and at the end of the day the 
pilot in command is the key factor, and that has been true if it says so or not in nearly every report you might read. 
 The CAUSE will be secondary to you at the moment of realization the situation is going to result in an emergency landing.
The RESULT of what is on the 6 o'clock news is usually the person in the left seat. 

 In a race car the events happen so quickly there is very little the driver can do other than relax and take the ride. You 
can't do that in an aircraft. Cars don't normally fly, conversely, airplanes usually operate in three dimensions. But do take 
a look at the Amzoil and the events it experienced at Reno. We can improve of course...but the PIC is a very big part of the 
improvements.
 
 Ironically my job at the time at Boeing I attended the F.A.A. Forum was Engineering protection due to in-flight cargo fires..to 
protect the aircraft structure and systems long enough from cruise altitude so the crew could have a chance at survival.  That 
ability was NOT the case in the 747-400 and earlier. Several of 747 versions prior to -8 have resulted in total fatalities due to 
lithium battery fires in the cargo areas. I was Lead M.E. in charge of flammability testing and production on 747-8F and 
747-8 Intercontinental. The same is true on 777. both Freighter and Passenger built from about 2011 to now. I was also part of 
the effort on those airacraft in the same cargo group.  

 So.. BIG time Kudos to Mike and also Dave! They both proved serious mettle in the heat of the moment.  And yes... the News
people are big time drama vampires in my thinking. They are especially negative toward aviation in general and especially 
toward general aviation!               

Vern

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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today
 

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Ian Ashdown
 

Hi Mike,

Thank you for your reply. 

I agree that parts coming off is a good thing.  I made my career in professional motorsports and we design the cars, F1 and Indy, to shed parts the dissipate energy.  200+mph against a concrete wall is a hard hit and we’ve made it survivable, but key to that is maintaining a ‘survival cell’, hence my thoughts about keeping the front bulkhead.  I’d like to see the engine separate and get far away, but leave the structure intact.

Having a fuel spill and no fire is beyond lucky!  Cool engine definitely helped.  It reinforces my decision to use bladders, dry break connectors etc.  I’ve even thought about an onboard fire system.  All standard race car stuff.

Very happy you came through this.  I actually think there was more than luck at play, you obviously kept your head and made some good decisions.  Bravo!

Ian
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Hi Bart,
The ntsb wouldn't let me open it up to look, but I had an oil cooler hooked up with two flex lines to the engine.  I suspect one line may have come loose and I was pumping oil overboard.  My normal oil consumption was 8 hours per qt.
And I took off with 5 qts.
Mike Dwyer Q200


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 10:52 AM Bartholomew Hanson Fisher <fisherb@...> wrote:
Mike any preliminary thoughts on oil pressure? In a little bit over 450 hours I have had one loss of oil pressure it was due to the remote oil filter assembly accessory plate warped causing air lock..... I was fortunate to shut it off and I did a total overhaul to verify everything’s was fine this was about 18 years ago. Oil sampling and compressions all good.


On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:38 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Ian,
I liked the firewall tearing off.  Fyi, when the canard ripped off it took the header tank with it and cracked the main tank so I had a total fuel spillage.  

No fire for 3 reasons.  1) had been gliding for a while and engine was off and cool.  2) landed on grass. 3) electrical design that I had not planned on.  A large cable came up to the starter solenoid and was high up on the firewall, engine side.  That wire stayed hot, so not great.  Then I ran all the aircraft systems from a smaller hot wire that ran to a plug under the instrument panel.  That plug separated in the crash basically shutting down everything.

That turned out to be a good idea.

Mike Dwyer Q200

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:42 AM Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...> wrote:

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Bartholomew Hanson Fisher
 

Mike any preliminary thoughts on oil pressure? In a little bit over 450 hours I have had one loss of oil pressure it was due to the remote oil filter assembly accessory plate warped causing air lock..... I was fortunate to shut it off and I did a total overhaul to verify everything’s was fine this was about 18 years ago. Oil sampling and compressions all good.


On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:38 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Ian,
I liked the firewall tearing off.  Fyi, when the canard ripped off it took the header tank with it and cracked the main tank so I had a total fuel spillage.  

No fire for 3 reasons.  1) had been gliding for a while and engine was off and cool.  2) landed on grass. 3) electrical design that I had not planned on.  A large cable came up to the starter solenoid and was high up on the firewall, engine side.  That wire stayed hot, so not great.  Then I ran all the aircraft systems from a smaller hot wire that ran to a plug under the instrument panel.  That plug separated in the crash basically shutting down everything.

That turned out to be a good idea.

Mike Dwyer Q200

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:42 AM Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...> wrote:

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Steinsland
 

Based on all your posts I know you really enjoyed flying that airplane. So sad to see all that come to an end for now. That airplane served you well even in the end.

 Still impressed by you and the others in this group that keep your head when things like this happen. 
Glad you're all right. 
God's not done with you yet.

Cheers from the Great White North


On Sat., Mar. 19, 2022, 8:27 a.m. Mike Dwyer, <q200pilot@...> wrote:
Hi Fred, 
Best I can figure is the canard rotated downward, ripped off the firewall and all went under the plane.  Maybe related to that gulley I went into.  The wing tips hit first.
Fly Safe,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:15 PM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Ian,
I liked the firewall tearing off.  Fyi, when the canard ripped off it took the header tank with it and cracked the main tank so I had a total fuel spillage.  

No fire for 3 reasons.  1) had been gliding for a while and engine was off and cool.  2) landed on grass. 3) electrical design that I had not planned on.  A large cable came up to the starter solenoid and was high up on the firewall, engine side.  That wire stayed hot, so not great.  Then I ran all the aircraft systems from a smaller hot wire that ran to a plug under the instrument panel.  That plug separated in the crash basically shutting down everything.

That turned out to be a good idea.

Mike Dwyer Q200

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:42 AM Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...> wrote:

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Fredd Baber
 

Thanks Mike!  Hope to catch up with you one day soon!!

Fredd Baber


On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Hi Fred, 
Best I can figure is the canard rotated downward, ripped off the firewall and all went under the plane.  Maybe related to that gulley I went into.  The wing tips hit first.
Fly Safe,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:15 PM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Hi Fred, 
Best I can figure is the canard rotated downward, ripped off the firewall and all went under the plane.  Maybe related to that gulley I went into.  The wing tips hit first.
Fly Safe,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:15 PM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Raymond Johnson
 

I would happy to see these parts tear away if l were to crash my plane, it helps to cushion the impact .
Well done Mick.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...>
Date: 19/3/22 3:42 pm (GMT+10:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Ian Ashdown
 

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal
Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Fredd Baber
 

Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Jay Scheevel
 

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Michael Dunning
 

So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
Re: Patty Wagstaff

Dragonfly Russell
 

Marianne Fox’s crash at SGJ happened on March 4. Patty Wagstaff posted on Facebook about it yesterday. 

Russell Austin


On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:

Two plane crashes in FL in the same day?!?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 3:35 PM, John Frank via groups.io <krtrcrfl@...> wrote:

Not Really !


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 

Re: Patty Wagstaff

Fredd Baber
 

Two plane crashes in FL in the same day?!?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 3:35 PM, John Frank via groups.io <krtrcrfl@...> wrote:

Not Really !


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 

Re: Patty Wagstaff

John Frank
 

Not Really !


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 

Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Martin Skiby
 

Very good job Mike!  you are to be commended for putting it down exactly where you intended, after a no go to the airport.   Glad you are OK!!!

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From: "Mike Dwyer"
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Cc:
Sent: Thursday March 17 2022 5:22:28PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

Just got this from our local CH8 news... That I was kinda rude to.  Told him I'm not going to say anything and tried very hard to keep my back to them.  Never talk to reporters after a crash!  I was actually going for that road until all these cars showed up!  And, darn, no inside camera today.  I don't know if I'd have taken the time to turn it on anyway.
https://youtu.be/GZe2qIPWKUo
Mike Dwyer xQ200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:40 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Glad you’re ok Mike!  Things happen fast when you’re looking for a parking place!  Ya did good!
Blessings!
Bruce Crain


On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

So glad you are OK Mike!  Good piloting!!!


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From: "Mike Dwyer"
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Sent: Thursday March 17 2022 1:38:12PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

Yup, lost oil pressure and engine quit just a bit too soon.  Didn't quite make the airport.  The Q is one tough bird.  Not a scratch on me but plane is totaled.  More to follow.
Mike Dwyer x Q200 pilot

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 12:12 PM Nick Wright <nwright27@...> wrote:
Being told by a friend that there's a Q-200 down in Florida today. I'm told the pilot survived, but the airplane is destroyed. I will post pictures as soon as I get them. 
Re: Patty Wagstaff

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 

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