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Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Bartholomew Hanson Fisher
 

Mike any preliminary thoughts on oil pressure? In a little bit over 450 hours I have had one loss of oil pressure it was due to the remote oil filter assembly accessory plate warped causing air lock..... I was fortunate to shut it off and I did a total overhaul to verify everything’s was fine this was about 18 years ago. Oil sampling and compressions all good.


On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:38 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Ian,
I liked the firewall tearing off.  Fyi, when the canard ripped off it took the header tank with it and cracked the main tank so I had a total fuel spillage.  

No fire for 3 reasons.  1) had been gliding for a while and engine was off and cool.  2) landed on grass. 3) electrical design that I had not planned on.  A large cable came up to the starter solenoid and was high up on the firewall, engine side.  That wire stayed hot, so not great.  Then I ran all the aircraft systems from a smaller hot wire that ran to a plug under the instrument panel.  That plug separated in the crash basically shutting down everything.

That turned out to be a good idea.

Mike Dwyer Q200

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:42 AM Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...> wrote:

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Steinsland
 

Based on all your posts I know you really enjoyed flying that airplane. So sad to see all that come to an end for now. That airplane served you well even in the end.

 Still impressed by you and the others in this group that keep your head when things like this happen. 
Glad you're all right. 
God's not done with you yet.

Cheers from the Great White North


On Sat., Mar. 19, 2022, 8:27 a.m. Mike Dwyer, <q200pilot@...> wrote:
Hi Fred, 
Best I can figure is the canard rotated downward, ripped off the firewall and all went under the plane.  Maybe related to that gulley I went into.  The wing tips hit first.
Fly Safe,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:15 PM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Ian,
I liked the firewall tearing off.  Fyi, when the canard ripped off it took the header tank with it and cracked the main tank so I had a total fuel spillage.  

No fire for 3 reasons.  1) had been gliding for a while and engine was off and cool.  2) landed on grass. 3) electrical design that I had not planned on.  A large cable came up to the starter solenoid and was high up on the firewall, engine side.  That wire stayed hot, so not great.  Then I ran all the aircraft systems from a smaller hot wire that ran to a plug under the instrument panel.  That plug separated in the crash basically shutting down everything.

That turned out to be a good idea.

Mike Dwyer Q200

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:42 AM Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...> wrote:

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Fredd Baber
 

Thanks Mike!  Hope to catch up with you one day soon!!

Fredd Baber


On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Hi Fred, 
Best I can figure is the canard rotated downward, ripped off the firewall and all went under the plane.  Maybe related to that gulley I went into.  The wing tips hit first.
Fly Safe,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:15 PM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Hi Fred, 
Best I can figure is the canard rotated downward, ripped off the firewall and all went under the plane.  Maybe related to that gulley I went into.  The wing tips hit first.
Fly Safe,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:15 PM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Raymond Johnson
 

I would happy to see these parts tear away if l were to crash my plane, it helps to cushion the impact .
Well done Mick.



Sent from my Samsung Mobile on the Telstra Mobile Network


-------- Original message --------
From: Ian Ashdown <ian.ashdown@...>
Date: 19/3/22 3:42 pm (GMT+10:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Ian Ashdown
 

Hi,

Never met Mike, but have seen all his YouTube videos, and I too am very glad he came out of this OK.

I had similar thoughts about the canard and also the firewall.  I’m expecting to receive my unbuilt kit in July and wonder if this can be treated as a learning opportunity for new builders such as myself.  


I have several safety concerns about the crashworthyness as designed.  I have planned to look at a ‘false floor’ to provide a flat area for  the pedals and potentially conceal plumbing, wiring etc.  I also feel that the attachment of the firewall bulkhead to the fuselage seems a little ‘minimal’; this crash possibly indicates that may be true.  My major concern are the fuel tanks/system.  Very fortunately there appears to have been no fuel spillage in this case, but from my research it appears many were not so fortunate.

Obviously a major accident is never going to have a good result; my concern is the minor accidents that have potential to have a very bad result, but could possibly be mitigated with better design or manufacturing.

Is there a case for a ‘lessons learned’ discussion?

Again, very happy Mike survived this accident and feel badly for the loss of his aircraft.

Ian
SoCal


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Fredd Baber
 

Mike,

Glad you’re ok.  Never met but hope to one day soon.  I’m down at KPGD and trying to get a ride in Adam Heidi’s Dfly one day soon.  My question is how, when the canard was torn off, did your feet (and rudder pedals) not go with it??  Aren’t your feet sitting on top of it?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Jay Scheevel
 

Good to have you back in a talking mood, Mike. You did good out there. 

Cheers,
Jay 


On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Mike Dwyer
 

Thanks Mike.  I should have kept a log of all the rides I've given.  Only had one guy that had a death grip on the stick.  I showed him how well two fingers work but he never got it.
Y'all be safe out there!
Mike Dwyer

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:37 PM Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:
So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Michael Dunning
 

So glad to hear you're okay, Mike. To echo everyone else, having you here still with us is more important than the airplane ever was but it still stinks. Can't believe you walked out of that one when the whole FIREWALL was missing.

I've actually been talking to a guy here in KHSV looking for your contact info. Khurram Aman wants to personally thank you for giving him his very first airplane ride in N3QP years ago and starting his love of aviation. Just condition inspected his T-67M260 today and he looked over #2827. He was amazed when he found out I was building the same type of plane 😢
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Patty Wagstaff

Dragonfly Russell
 

Marianne Fox’s crash at SGJ happened on March 4. Patty Wagstaff posted on Facebook about it yesterday. 

Russell Austin


On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:

Two plane crashes in FL in the same day?!?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 3:35 PM, John Frank via groups.io <krtrcrfl@...> wrote:

Not Really !


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 


Re: Patty Wagstaff

Fredd Baber
 

Two plane crashes in FL in the same day?!?

Fredd Baber


On Mar 18, 2022, at 3:35 PM, John Frank via groups.io <krtrcrfl@...> wrote:

Not Really !


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 


Re: Patty Wagstaff

John Frank
 

Not Really !


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Thanks Nick. Thats great news!
Jim
N46JP Q200

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Martin Skiby
 

Very good job Mike!  you are to be commended for putting it down exactly where you intended, after a no go to the airport.   Glad you are OK!!!

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From: "Mike Dwyer"
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Thursday March 17 2022 5:22:28PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

Just got this from our local CH8 news... That I was kinda rude to.  Told him I'm not going to say anything and tried very hard to keep my back to them.  Never talk to reporters after a crash!  I was actually going for that road until all these cars showed up!  And, darn, no inside camera today.  I don't know if I'd have taken the time to turn it on anyway.
https://youtu.be/GZe2qIPWKUo
Mike Dwyer xQ200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:40 PM Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
Glad you’re ok Mike!  Things happen fast when you’re looking for a parking place!  Ya did good!
Blessings!
Bruce Crain


On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

So glad you are OK Mike!  Good piloting!!!


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From: "Mike Dwyer"
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Thursday March 17 2022 1:38:12PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

Yup, lost oil pressure and engine quit just a bit too soon.  Didn't quite make the airport.  The Q is one tough bird.  Not a scratch on me but plane is totaled.  More to follow.
Mike Dwyer x Q200 pilot

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 12:12 PM Nick Wright <nwright27@...> wrote:
Being told by a friend that there's a Q-200 down in Florida today. I'm told the pilot survived, but the airplane is destroyed. I will post pictures as soon as I get them. 


Re: Patty Wagstaff

Jim Patillo
 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Wright <nwright27@...>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Patty Wagstaff
 
There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 


Re: Patty Wagstaff

Nick Wright
 

There was an accident a couple days ago in St. Augustine (where Patty is based out of I believe) where a female aviator died after landing long. Wasn't Patty. 


Patty Wagstaff

Jim Patillo
 

Can anyone confirm Patty Wagstaff has died in a plane crash this morning. 

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Report of a Q-200 crash today

Richard Thomson
 

    Glad your ok Mike, the rest can be sorted.

    Rich T.

On 17/03/2022 18:02, Paul Fisher wrote:
Wow, scary.  But from the video it looks like Mike did a superb job of putting it down without hurting anyone on the ground not himself. Clearly superior piloting skill - good job Mike!  Glad you are ok.

Paul

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 12:51 Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
Mike this is Jim. I hope you are alright. This is an awful thing to happen and it looks bad. My thoughts and prayers are with you. 
Jim Patillo

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of David J. Gall <David@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:22:14 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today
 

Yeah, that’s Mike alright. He’s walking without a limp and he bent down to get his hat out of the wreckage so it appears that he’s all good.

Mike, you did good picking a landing site. It looks like you may have clipped a wire and taken a tumble but you “saved the neighbors” and yourself. Good job.

 

 

David J. Gall

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jay Scheevel
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:45 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

 

This looks bad, however it appears that the cabin is in good shape. I found a news video shot from a news helicopter and it looks like Mike is there standing near the wreckage and pointing out things on what is left of the plane to the emergency people at the location. That would be a very good sign. If that is Mike, I am sure he will let us know what happened soon.

News video: https://www.wfla.com/news/local-news/hernando-county/pilot-okay-after-plane-crashes-near-brooksville-middle-school/

 

Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:37 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Report of a Q-200 crash today

 

Oh No!  That's terrible.

Looks like everything forward of the trailing edge of the canard is gone.  Must have been a hard hit.

Please let us know of Mike's condition.


--
Q2 N86KL


Re: Spring Fling

Jon Finley
 

Thanks for organizing this Keith.  Afraid I am allowed east of the Peco's a very limited number of times each year so will probably miss this one.

If I could make it, my input would be:
1. Less blue - more magenta airport.
2. More elevation. Not sure my airplane will fly at sub-thousand foot altitudes.
3. Free gas.

Jon Finley
Flying an RV-4 - Truth or Consequences, NM

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