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Re: January 1 Progress Report

Chris McAtee <Subcanis@...>
 

<<Well, it's the start of a new year and time for all the builders to 'fess up....>>

Well, I didn't get a whole lot done. It was odd, as I had many weeks with absolutely no work followed by week-long spurts of working 12 hours a day. I got my spars joined wnd the leading edge cores (incl center section cores) attached, and have been working on micro-ing them into perfection before I cover them. Unfortunatly, its been too cold to do any glass work so its been sitting in my garage acting as a storage shelf for my moms stuff (that really really annoys me, by the way).

Even though I haven't been physically working on my plane in a while, I've been thinking a lot about what I want to do with it (ie: engine choice, panel layout, canopy mechanism, etc). I guess it counts for something, as I've decided on a lot of things (which I think will help in the long run, since Ill already have many things laid out and wont have to take time out when its warm enough to work to plan things). Im leaning heavily towards using a Corvair engine, with the proper cam and following William Wynnes conversion manual. I've been looking heavily at using both the MicroMoniter and the MicroEncoder from Rocky Mountain instruments, which will save me lots of panel space (that and theyre made right here in Wyoming!). As far as the canopy goes, Im thinking of using Patillo's idea. I got to see it when he and Bob Farnum were passing through Cheyenne earlier this fall (man thems is some purdy planes!).

This winter is going to be spent going to school and trying to save up for my Tri-Gear kit. Then (fingers crossed here) this summer will be spent installing the canard, the tri-gear, and all the flight controls. The winter after that is engine work (rebuild and installation) followed by panel and paint.

If all goes as planned with college and finances, my airplane WILL be flying for the fall/winter of 2003. Im going to be flying in the year of the 100th anniversary of powered flight, and you all can mark me on that one. Have a productive and safe year everybody, and I want to thank everyone thats put up with all my ignorance and helped me out so much. Ill finally get it someday, I promise!

Chris McAtee
Tri-Q200 (in progress)
Email:
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Home:
2917 Pheasant Dr.
Casper, WY 82604
(307)265-5375
School:
University of Wyoming
614 White Hall
Laramie, WY 82071
(307)766-8670


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January 1 Progress Report

John Loram <johnl@...>
 

Well, it's the start of a new year and time for all the builders to 'fess
up....

What did you get done last year???

For myself, I completed and installed the cockpit internal structures ( fuel
tanks, arm rests, center console ), plumbed the fuel system, installed the
aileron control system (dual side sticks), and fabricated the motor mount
for the Jabiru 3300.

Next is mounting the canopy and installing the rudder control system ala
Farnam, then the toe brakes.

Happy New Year and happy building to all, -john-


Re: Prop Questions

kittleson1@...
 

Dear John,

I don't think that a turbine engine hitting some resonant frequency and
coming apart
has anything to do with revving the O200 over 2750 rpm.

I would bet that the redline was set more by them as that's where they
achieved the HP they had
set out to deliver. Using your empirical wisdom would DICtate that the
similarly sized Lycoming would
come apart a hundred or so RPM sooner, as it has a lower redline.

Happy New Year

Al

On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:54:16 +1100 "jtenhave@..."
<jtenhave@...> writes:
Hi David,

You and I are both right, but I should have been a bit more
concise. I
was referring to the remedial derating of the engine (i.e. reducing
the RPM
range out of resonance). This reduction enabled the jets to remain
flying
whilst the Rolls Royce engine designers stood in a circle taking
turns to
kick each others bums for overlooking the "not so obvious" and
trying to
explain to the bean counters why this "whoopsie" was going to cost
several
million dollars to fix.

happy New Year to you all

John

-----Original Message-----
From: David J. Gall [SMTP:David@...]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:44 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Prop Questions

John,

You, of course, meant to say, "take the parts INTO the resonant
range."


David J. Gall

-----Original Message-----
From: jtenhave@... [mailto:jtenhave@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:07 PM
To: 'Q-LIST@...'
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Prop Questions


Richard,
and the TBO is......?
< snip, snip... >

From memory 6% change in RPM was all that was required to take
the
parts
out of the resonant range.





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Re: sliding BROWNer

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Regarding emergency egress, none of these designs are any good when the
plane is upside down. I'm speaking from experience. I now carry a really
coarse folding saw (Stanley) for the worse case scenario.

$.02

Sam

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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: sliding BROWNer


In a message dated 1/1/02 11:19:36 AM Central Standard Time,
patillo@... writes:


I wanted something very simple that I could install quick release
locking
pins in. My canopy can be removed in about 10 seconds.

Emergency egress is important to me. I figure you could blow a forward
hinge
canopy in about 5 seconds or less. I think 10 for the parallelogram is
quite
good... and you have the advantage of summer airflow.

j.






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Re: sliding BROWNer

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

The parallelogram canopy is pretty simple, so I like it, ... but compaired
to the side hinge type it looks like it would be a little harder to get in
and out of the plane. I can eject my side hinge canopy in about a second
(just open it, it will be ripped off right fast!) Taxi cooling of the pilot
on the ground with the side mount is good with the canopy in the safety
latch position (see plans).

Mike Q-200

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: sliding BROWNer


In a message dated 1/1/02 11:19:36 AM Central Standard Time,
patillo@... writes:


I wanted something very simple that I could install quick release locking
pins in. My canopy can be removed in about 10 seconds.

Emergency egress is important to me. I figure you could blow a forward hinge
canopy in about 5 seconds or less. I think 10 for the parallelogram is quite
good... and you have the advantage of summer airflow.

j.


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Re: Great flying airplanes!

Imagine50@...
 

I agree, get the plane finished and flying and all those little changes you
think you need won't seem so important. I have been planning to do some wing
tip mods and repaint my plane for over two years now and haven't been able to
force myself to take the plane out of service to do the work. I just keep
flying the darn thing. Were else can you fly a plane with so much performance
for so little.
Allan N59RJ


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

Hot Wings
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 4:44:17 PM Mountain Standard Time,
RMARIETTA@... writes:


Raven of Boulder CO is working on the 3 cyclinder, 4 cycle, water cooled,
laid hortz. with a redrive that is designed to use the same egine mount as
the Rotax 503. HP-45-50, 90 lbs.
They have been working with this engine for some time, just recently using
it
in the hort. position.
I've got 3 of these motors in the shop (#128 as pulled from the
vehicle) and I had originally planed to do the same thing long before I saw
Ravens' version. Kind of a Q-1 version of the Rabbit I'm going to put in my
Q-2. If they can get this done at #90 without lopping of the third cylinder
I think 9.98 m/sec needs to be revised a bit.
There will be a flood of BD-5 builders waiting outside their doors if
they could pull this off.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Think outside the box......Fly in the envelope

Leon McAtee
Q-2/turbo VW Rabbit GTI/G-60
Q-1//3 Cyl Diahatsu Diesel???


Re: Great flying airplanes

Hot Wings
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 11:00:32 AM Mountain Standard Time,
panzera@... writes:


I have a Type IV core engine available cheap...

Pat
I have enough, 7+, but my nephew is still looking for a ' vair core.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Think outside the box......Fly in the envelope

Leon McAtee
Q-2/turbo VW Rabbit GTI/G-60
Q-1//???????????????


Forward Opening vs Sliding Canopy

david.cyr@...
 

Mike,
There are benefits to both systems I guess. Given the work required to do the
forward opening canopy, perhaps I should consider the sliding approach. Either
would be an improvement over the clam shell! Are there plans and/or a kit for a
"slider" that operates (slides) well?
Dave Cyr
======================== Happy and Safe New Year to All! ===================
From: mbrowner1@...
Subject: Re: Re: Forward Opening Canopy Plans

Thanks Dave,

BTW, a couple of summers ago I flew in Tom Moore's Q200 and Bob Malecheck's
Q200. Tom has the fwd hinged canopy and Bob has the sliding canopy. I was
going to go with the fwd hinged canopy till I rode in Bob's plane. On a summer
day near Dallas Bob and I were able to taxi out with the canopy cracked and we
had a nice cool blast of air on us all the way. It also removes easily for
access to the back side of the instrument panel. I'm going with the sliding
canopy.

Mike Brown


Re: sliding BROWNer

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 4:56:32 PM Central Standard Time,
shoskins@... writes:


none of these designs are any good when the
plane is upside down.
A good .o2. Been there, done that too... and some form of cutter is vital as
you will not kick your way out.


Re: sliding BROWNer

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 4:56:32 PM Central Standard Time,
shoskins@... writes:


none of these designs are any good when the
plane is upside down.


Re: sliding BROWNer

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 4:25:05 PM Central Standard Time,
mdwyer@... writes:


type it looks like it would be a little harder to get in
and out of the plane.
I agree. That's the downside of the parallelogram and the forward hinge with
pistons. QAC was designing for a wide variety of occupants.


Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

RMARIETTA@...
 

Raven of Boulder CO is working on the 3 cyclinder, 4 cycle, water cooled,
laid hortz. with a redrive that is designed to use the same egine mount as
the Rotax 503. HP-45-50, 90 lbs.
They have been working with this engine for some time, just recently using it
in the hort. position.


Re: Great flying airplanes

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

BD5ER@... wrote:

Don't think like an "air head", Water-cooled is the way to go <G>
But not for everybody. The VW Tp IV should also be on your list.
I have a Type IV core engine available cheap...

Pat


Re: Aircraft Registration

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

James Postma wrote:

I would like to speak to someone off list who has experience or knowledge about reregistering an experimental aircraft with the FAA which has had its registration deleted and sold as parts.
James,

Any luck with finding the answer?

Pat


Re: sliding BROWNer

Jim Patillo <patillo@...>
 

I wanted something very simple that I could install quick release locking
pins in. My canopy can be removed in about 10 seconds.

Materials required: (4) 1" x 12 x 1/4" pieces of flat bar aluminum, four
locking pins and nuts and bolts, very simple. Bottom end of arms attaches
fuselage and top of arms to canopy forming a parallel a gram. There is about
4" between fuselage and canopy when open, providing the "right" amount of
air when taxiing on a hot summer day. Vision is not compromised. "Racking"
is minimal when opening or closing canopy.

I tried both the side hinge and forward hinge before settling on this
configuration.

If anyone is interested in this setup, contact me off line.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200


The 4 arm canopy that patillo has gets you the air blast but does not lay
down close enough to the front deck when open. This may discourage one
from
having it open during taxi. I dunno. It probably racks a little but may be
more stable than the sliders.

j.





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Re: sliding BROWNer

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/02 11:19:36 AM Central Standard Time,
patillo@... writes:


I wanted something very simple that I could install quick release locking
pins in. My canopy can be removed in about 10 seconds.

Emergency egress is important to me. I figure you could blow a forward hinge
canopy in about 5 seconds or less. I think 10 for the parallelogram is quite
good... and you have the advantage of summer airflow.

j.


Re: sliding BROWNer

Archer Family <blues@...>
 

You could use two cables and six pulleys I think. Take one cable and run
forward from one side's slide beyond most forward postion , turn 90 degrees
over to the other side, turn aft and back to beyond rearmost position, and
then turn 180 degrees back and connect to aft side of other slide. Do the
same thing from the opposite side. Get the picture? They do the same thing
on automotive lifts, called load equalization cables. Bill Archer

-----Original Message-----
From: JMasal@... [mailto:JMasal@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:11 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: sliding BROWNer


J'ever notice that Malechek is a little fussy about his sliding canopy, Mr
B.
? If someone is not careful and he gets a little racking, the sliders can
come off track. To stop the racking one has to somehow connect both sides so
they both move simultaneously and equally. I have seen a system of cables
and
pulleys on a Dragonfly that prevents an unequal distribution of force but I
ain't got it figured out yet.

The 4 arm canopy that patillo has gets you the air blast but does not lay
down close enough to the front deck when open. This may discourage one from
having it open during taxi. I dunno. It probably racks a little but may be
more stable than the sliders.

j.





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Re: Q-1 - How much Hp is needed

JMasal@...
 

In a message dated 12/31/01 11:11:29 PM Central Standard Time,
KingDWS@... writes:


Since Jim says you can put something other than a Onan in my Q1 Kit,
I'll take a step to the middle and say "FOLLOW THE PLANS"

Happy New Years EveryOne

Dave K
I dint say you should DO it, wise guy, I only said I've flown behind them.
I'm just makin' a theoretical estimation you unnerstand.