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Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Jim Patillo
 

The smaller Chen Shing 11:00x4:00/5 we now use is a ribbed tire. They are 6/8 ply and last a lot longer than the originals.  The only problem is, the tube Spruce sells has an angled brass valve stem that orients wrong when inflated, pushing
the stem hard into the wheel. This makes it difficult if not impossible to fill without taking the tire/wheel off.

Jim
N46JP Q200


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 5:10:34 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts
 
I’ve replaced one of them with the same size/tread but I think I had to grab a different manufacturer.  I’ll check tomorrow or Friday.

Corbin

On May 25, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Corbin do you still have the stock tires on your plane?

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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 2:46:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts
 

Hi Corbin

Seems like correct answer to tire pressure.

Won’t even need Keith’s 22nd-century space-coveralls. 😊

Just kidding.

Ben

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

 

Corbin



On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

 


--

Corbin 
N121CG


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Brake Lines?

Robert Cringely
 

Rutan standard was Nylaflo brake lines, sometimes with metal lines (or a metal reinforcement) just on the brake end to avoid melting the plastic under heavy braking. So that copper you are seeing may only be a few inches long...


On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:41 PM Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:
My rescue project looks like it has copper brake lines inside a nylon tube. Was that the standard?

I am planning to first pressure test my existing lines and see if they are corroded but I am wondering what others have done? Will the copper line even pull thru the nylon line inside the canard?

The wonders of buying a plane that sat outside too long ;-)

Robert
--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


Re: Brake Lines?

Michael Dunning
 

Sounds like someone performed the Yates mod...something I've thought about doing myself. Might even be you have Robert or Terry's old plane??


Q-talk 49: Letters

...Brake lines: I got some 1/8" aluminum tubing to use for brake lines on the advise of Terry Yake. It tolerates the heat well and gives good, solid brakes. It will also go inside the Nylaflow tubing we use for brake lines, so it can be retrofitted. Neat, huh? If I think of anything else, I'll send it to you. Still a great newsletter. I enjoy it and the CSA flyer about as much as anything I get. Keep it up. Robert Bounds


-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I’ve replaced one of them with the same size/tread but I think I had to grab a different manufacturer.  I’ll check tomorrow or Friday.

Corbin

On May 25, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Corbin do you still have the stock tires on your plane?

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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 2:46:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts
 

Hi Corbin

Seems like correct answer to tire pressure.

Won’t even need Keith’s 22nd-century space-coveralls. 😊

Just kidding.

Ben

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:55 AM
To: Q List <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

 

Corbin



On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

 


--

Corbin 
N121CG


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Jim Patillo
 

Corbin do you still have the stock tires on your plane?


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Ben Wilson <4benwilson@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 2:46:53 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts
 

Hi Corbin

Seems like correct answer to tire pressure.

Won’t even need Keith’s 22nd-century space-coveralls. 😊

Just kidding.

Ben

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:55 AM
To: Q List <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

 

Corbin



On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

 


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

There’s a chance it will all be done this time next week.  Then I need for my conditional to be done and he is not avail until mid to late June.  So I may just be able to do some run ups and taxi tests for a bit.

Tonight, he should be tucking all the wires away and starting to clean up.  Then we have a little work to do reinstalling power controls and re-mounting the ignition coils.

Getting close!

Corbin

On May 25, 2022, at 4:56 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hey Corbin,

 

When you are you going to have yours with the upgraded avionics and panel up flying again?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:55 AM
To: Q List <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

 

Corbin



On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

 


--

Corbin 
N121CG


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Jay Scheevel
 

Hey Corbin,

 

When you are you going to have yours with the upgraded avionics and panel up flying again?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:55 AM
To: Q List <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

 

Corbin



On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

 


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Ben Wilson
 

Hi Corbin

Seems like correct answer to tire pressure.

Won’t even need Keith’s 22nd-century space-coveralls. 😊

Just kidding.

Ben

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:55 AM
To: Q List <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

 

Corbin



On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

 


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I don’t use tire stem covers at all.   Like others, I rarely need to air them up/down and when I do I use the access hole to screw on an attachment to air up.  I  would not be able to unscrew a stem cover without raising up the wheel and possible even removing it.

Corbin

On May 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Any of you use these? I do on my RV4 ...


--
Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Michael Dunning
 

Can confirm that the large hole+Rube Goldberg valve stem extender(s) contraption is still a PITA for all the reasons mentioned above. I don't have enough room to roll the fwd fuselage around, so I end up jacking the wing up to get at the valve stem. By then, what's the point?!?


--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Jim Patillo
 

I have to do the same with those smaller tires, Sam. The brass innertube valve stem is at the wrong angle for the aluminum wheels we have. I thought is was just me.😬

The simplest way to deal with the low tire pressure issue is as others have said "Drop the wheel/tire and add air". Adding holes on the outside of the wheel pant is not the answer. If you keep a look out for the tire pressure, it's pretty obvious. I monitor the tire spread on the floor or ground.    

Jim
N46JP - Q200



From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 6:18 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts
 
Here's the thing. On my wheels at least, the valve stem doesn't point straight out. In fact, when filling air on my bench I often have to wedge a screwdriver behind it so I can get the air hose on it. You might want to hold off on this until you have some hands-on experience with it, then you can decide if it's necessary or not.

Sam

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:52 PM Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the same philosophy as Sam on the tire thing. I don't have a hole in my wheelpant either. I just see how they look during the preflight. Mine are inflated to 30 lbs. to start with. If they look good after 24 hours, they should be good for the season. Have fun at the Spring Fling. Planning on being at the FOD in the fall no matter what.... Dave D


On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

I have one like that, Mike. Tricky part is that the hose has to be exactly parallel with the stem to seal got pressure reading and filling. That is hard to do if you don’t have some wiggle room to line it up.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:43 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.

R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.

 

 

On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Mike Steinsland
 

Thanks guys
Seems like the juice might not be worth the squeeze on this one


On Mon., May 23, 2022, 9:18 p.m. Sam Hoskins, <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Here's the thing. On my wheels at least, the valve stem doesn't point straight out. In fact, when filling air on my bench I often have to wedge a screwdriver behind it so I can get the air hose on it. You might want to hold off on this until you have some hands-on experience with it, then you can decide if it's necessary or not.

Sam

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:52 PM Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the same philosophy as Sam on the tire thing. I don't have a hole in my wheelpant either. I just see how they look during the preflight. Mine are inflated to 30 lbs. to start with. If they look good after 24 hours, they should be good for the season. Have fun at the Spring Fling. Planning on being at the FOD in the fall no matter what.... Dave D


On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

I have one like that, Mike. Tricky part is that the hose has to be exactly parallel with the stem to seal got pressure reading and filling. That is hard to do if you don’t have some wiggle room to line it up.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:43 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.

R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.

 

 

On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Sam Hoskins
 

Here's the thing. On my wheels at least, the valve stem doesn't point straight out. In fact, when filling air on my bench I often have to wedge a screwdriver behind it so I can get the air hose on it. You might want to hold off on this until you have some hands-on experience with it, then you can decide if it's necessary or not.

Sam

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:52 PM Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the same philosophy as Sam on the tire thing. I don't have a hole in my wheelpant either. I just see how they look during the preflight. Mine are inflated to 30 lbs. to start with. If they look good after 24 hours, they should be good for the season. Have fun at the Spring Fling. Planning on being at the FOD in the fall no matter what.... Dave D


On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

I have one like that, Mike. Tricky part is that the hose has to be exactly parallel with the stem to seal got pressure reading and filling. That is hard to do if you don’t have some wiggle room to line it up.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:43 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.

R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.

 

 

On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Dave Dugas
 

I have the same philosophy as Sam on the tire thing. I don't have a hole in my wheelpant either. I just see how they look during the preflight. Mine are inflated to 30 lbs. to start with. If they look good after 24 hours, they should be good for the season. Have fun at the Spring Fling. Planning on being at the FOD in the fall no matter what.... Dave D


On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 7:49 PM, Jay Scheevel
<jay@...> wrote:

I have one like that, Mike. Tricky part is that the hose has to be exactly parallel with the stem to seal got pressure reading and filling. That is hard to do if you don’t have some wiggle room to line it up.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:43 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.

R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.

 

 

On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Jay Scheevel
 

I have one like that, Mike. Tricky part is that the hose has to be exactly parallel with the stem to seal got pressure reading and filling. That is hard to do if you don’t have some wiggle room to line it up.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:43 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Group Moderators <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.

R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.

 

 

On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Spring Fling 22

Jerry Marstall
 

I did get him onto his toes. Good thing he is tall.  Where do you think the saying, "white boys can't jump" came from?


On Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:42 PM Keith Welsh <kw544@...> wrote:
Were you fired?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jerry Marstall" <jerrylm1986@...>
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 19:34:59 -0400

I was Larry's jumping coach.  That says it all. Jm

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:32 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I will take you up on that. Jerry Marstall on one side of Larry and me on the other!  I am sure Jerry must have played a few pick-up games with Larry when he lived in Boston 😉

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Welsh
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22

 

Jay,

 

French Lick is actually in the Southern part of the state.  That area is famous for it's mineral springs which drew upper echelon crowds and even a president or two through the turn of the century and beyond and was supported by a couple of very exquisite hotels.  Both are still in operation.  Now a golf resort.  However, for those really hard up to see something Larry Bird there is a VERY tall statue of him in front of the ISU Hulman Civic Center.  Maybe around 20' tall.  Kinda forget now.  Incidentally the sculptor, who is from Terre Haute, had his insurance with my wife for many years.  Very nice folks.

So yes Jay, if your a Bird fan I can show ya something that is worth a photo.  

 

Keith

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 17:06:34 -0600

Can we go visit the French Lick, Larry Bird Shrine, while we are there? Kin we, pleeeze?

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Welsh
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:57 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22

 

You know where the name Hoosier's came from?

Who's yur momma Who's yur daddy.

Were just a bunch of rednecks around here and don't know no better. 

 

Actually when I talked to the manager and stated that this is a very weather sensitive event and could go either way in a flash, I had to know the cancellation policy and that's what he told me.  He said they work with the airport all the time, glad to do it. 

 

See ya in a week +

Keith

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Bergen" <dmbergen@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 06:24:23 -0700

Life often gets in the way so at the chance that the Bergen's are OBE, or WX gets in the way, I called the hotel front desk for the cancellation policy. Apparently they are quite lenient and she stated that if need be call even the day of the arrival and there will be no charge.

I like Indiana already!

Mike

 

 


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Mike Steinsland
 


On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:42 p.m. Mike Steinsland, <mikeskustoms@...> wrote:
I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.
R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.



On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

Mike Steinsland
 

I'm thinking one of these inflator / gauges wouldn't need much of a hole and could reach in.
R& R ing the cap may require a creative gizmo of some sort.



On Mon., May 23, 2022, 7:34 p.m. Jay Scheevel, <jay@...> wrote:

Think of it like this. The empty weight is probably 650 pounds, and the amount of fuel may vary +/- 60 pounds. Most of the weight is on the mains, so you will be accurate to plus or minus 10%. I’d say good-to-go 😉

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Hole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:32 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

That is clever.  Does the amount of fuel change the footprint much?  I am guessing to do it with half to 3/4 fuel unless you always top off before flight.

Rick Hole

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 5:04 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I usually just look at it. A polished eye can tell if it is low. However, you will need a port for filling them, so I think that is a good idea to build something like that.

 

If you don’t like “eyeballing it”, like I do, here is something you can do to measure pressure without putting a gauge on the stem.

 

Based on the fact that the tire-contact-area (sq in) X tire-pressure (psi) must be equal the weight on the wheel, and you know the weight on the wheel from your W&B, you can put a piece of paper under the tire and at different tire pressures draw a pencil line on the paper around contact of the tire to the paper for each pressure. Label these outlines corresponding to each pressure (you just need to do this once). Then take this paper to a xerox and make a bunch of copies. When you want to check the pressure, just roll the wheel onto a fresh sheet and check the size of its “footprint”. That will tell you the pressure.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Steinsland
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Q2 Brakes and wheel mounts

 

Hi Guys
2 things on my mind today.
First.... I attached some pictures of the little saddles I epoxied above my axles to help line up the axles with the holes in the wheel pants.
It's a snap with the airplane upside down, probably have to use a small jack under the tire to hold it up when it's right side up.
No jiggling around any more.

Second....What are you doing to accommodate checking and filling the air in the tires.
I'm thinking of drilling a hole large enough on the outside of the wheel pant to get the gauge/ filler in.
Somewhere between 3 and 9 o'clock low. Any recommendations?

Cheers
Mike


Re: Spring Fling 22

 

Were you fired?


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jerry Marstall" <jerrylm1986@...>
To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 19:34:59 -0400

I was Larry's jumping coach.  That says it all. Jm

 

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 7:32 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I will take you up on that. Jerry Marstall on one side of Larry and me on the other!  I am sure Jerry must have played a few pick-up games with Larry when he lived in Boston 😉

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Welsh
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 5:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22

 

Jay,

 

French Lick is actually in the Southern part of the state.  That area is famous for it's mineral springs which drew upper echelon crowds and even a president or two through the turn of the century and beyond and was supported by a couple of very exquisite hotels.  Both are still in operation.  Now a golf resort.  However, for those really hard up to see something Larry Bird there is a VERY tall statue of him in front of the ISU Hulman Civic Center.  Maybe around 20' tall.  Kinda forget now.  Incidentally the sculptor, who is from Terre Haute, had his insurance with my wife for many years.  Very nice folks.

So yes Jay, if your a Bird fan I can show ya something that is worth a photo.  

 

Keith

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 17:06:34 -0600

Can we go visit the French Lick, Larry Bird Shrine, while we are there? Kin we, pleeeze?

 

Cheers,
Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith Welsh
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 4:57 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22

 

You know where the name Hoosier's came from?

Who's yur momma Who's yur daddy.

Were just a bunch of rednecks around here and don't know no better. 

 

Actually when I talked to the manager and stated that this is a very weather sensitive event and could go either way in a flash, I had to know the cancellation policy and that's what he told me.  He said they work with the airport all the time, glad to do it. 

 

See ya in a week +

Keith

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Mike Bergen" <dmbergen@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling 22
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 06:24:23 -0700

Life often gets in the way so at the chance that the Bergen's are OBE, or WX gets in the way, I called the hotel front desk for the cancellation policy. Apparently they are quite lenient and she stated that if need be call even the day of the arrival and there will be no charge.

I like Indiana already!

Mike

 

 

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