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Re: Purchased Q200

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

It has the origional canard, wish it was the LS1. He has the engine
removed and some of the wireing so I have to go through everything. I
will be checking everything and balancing the elevators, rudder and
ailerons for starters. I would be interested what there is to do with
the 0-200 for more horsepower, Being at 6245' elev. I am very familar
with denisity altitude for the last 39 years. We like turbo's up here. I
am enclosing a picture in jpeg of what it looked like last year.

Ron Triano

-----Original Message-----
From: James Patillo [mailto:logistics_engineering@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 10:34 AM
To: Q-LIST_1
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Purchased Q200


Ron,

Does your plane have an LS1 canard? As far as I know the elevators did
not change and can be reinstalled per plans. Can your plane be flyable
after the wheel pants are glassed on? If not how much more has to be
done.

I am increasing the HP on my plane and if yours has not been done
already you may seriously want to consider it. They are kinda guttless
around Tahoe on a warm day loaded.

Regards, Jim N46JP Q200
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Triano
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 10:16 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Purchased Q200

Thanks for the reply Jim, I had asked you for a ride at Laughlin when
you took Pat up but never did get together with you, I flew in with
Brad and Allan in Allan's dfly. Yours is a beautiful Q. Chuck Collings
was killed and owned the Q200. He had been flying in a glass air as a
passenger.The engine looks new and has very low time on it. Has there
been any changes to the elevators? Or maybe they just came off with the
cutting of the wheel pants. I really want to keep the outboard wheel
look. I have hoop gear on my dfly.
Thanks

Ron Triano


-----Original Message-----
From: James Patillo [mailto:logistics_engineering@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:46 AM
To: Q-LIST_1
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Purchased Q200


Ron,

I have a Q200 flying in Livermore, CA near you. We are having a fly in
in August and hope you can make it. There should be several Q's and DF's
there. Bob Farnam on the field here may still have wheel pant templates
and I have a friend locally that may have some as he built two Q's.

If I were building new wheel pants, I would seriously consider sizing
them for 5:00 x 5 tires as the smaller original tires are no longer
available. Further consider building the pant with the rear being a
"blade" as opposed to pointed. Both Bob and I have tuff tested our wheel
pants and found the air comes "unglued" on the top and inside of the
wheel pant just rear of the elevator faring. Many RV's and EZE's have
made this modification.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. Whose airplane did you purchase?





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Re: Purchased Q200

Jim Patillo
 

Ron,

Does your plane have an LS1 canard? As far as I know the elevators did not change and can be reinstalled per plans. Can your plane be flyable after the wheel pants are glassed on? If not how much more has to be done.

I am increasing the HP on my plane and if yours has not been done already you may seriously want to consider it. They are kinda guttless around Tahoe on a warm day loaded.

Regards, Jim N46JP Q200

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Triano
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 10:16 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Purchased Q200

Thanks for the reply Jim, I had asked you for a ride at Laughlin when
you took Pat up but never did get together with you, I flew in with
Brad and Allan in Allan's dfly. Yours is a beautiful Q. Chuck Collings
was killed and owned the Q200. He had been flying in a glass air as a
passenger.The engine looks new and has very low time on it. Has there
been any changes to the elevators? Or maybe they just came off with the
cutting of the wheel pants. I really want to keep the outboard wheel
look. I have hoop gear on my dfly.
Thanks

Ron Triano


-----Original Message-----
From: James Patillo [mailto:logistics_engineering@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:46 AM
To: Q-LIST_1
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Purchased Q200


Ron,

I have a Q200 flying in Livermore, CA near you. We are having a fly in
in August and hope you can make it. There should be several Q's and DF's
there. Bob Farnam on the field here may still have wheel pant templates
and I have a friend locally that may have some as he built two Q's.

If I were building new wheel pants, I would seriously consider sizing
them for 5:00 x 5 tires as the smaller original tires are no longer
available. Further consider building the pant with the rear being a
"blade" as opposed to pointed. Both Bob and I have tuff tested our wheel
pants and found the air comes "unglued" on the top and inside of the
wheel pant just rear of the elevator faring. Many RV's and EZE's have
made this modification.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. Whose airplane did you purchase?





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Re: Purchased Q200

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Thanks for the reply Jim, I had asked you for a ride at Laughlin when
you took Pat up but never did get together with you, I flew in with
Brad and Allan in Allan's dfly. Yours is a beautiful Q. Chuck Collings
was killed and owned the Q200. He had been flying in a glass air as a
passenger.The engine looks new and has very low time on it. Has there
been any changes to the elevators? Or maybe they just came off with the
cutting of the wheel pants. I really want to keep the outboard wheel
look. I have hoop gear on my dfly.
Thanks

Ron Triano

-----Original Message-----
From: James Patillo [mailto:logistics_engineering@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:46 AM
To: Q-LIST_1
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Purchased Q200


Ron,

I have a Q200 flying in Livermore, CA near you. We are having a fly in
in August and hope you can make it. There should be several Q's and DF's
there. Bob Farnam on the field here may still have wheel pant templates
and I have a friend locally that may have some as he built two Q's.

If I were building new wheel pants, I would seriously consider sizing
them for 5:00 x 5 tires as the smaller original tires are no longer
available. Further consider building the pant with the rear being a
"blade" as opposed to pointed. Both Bob and I have tuff tested our wheel
pants and found the air comes "unglued" on the top and inside of the
wheel pant just rear of the elevator faring. Many RV's and EZE's have
made this modification.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. Whose airplane did you purchase?





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Re: Purchased Q200

Jim Patillo
 

Ron,

I have a Q200 flying in Livermore, CA near you. We are having a fly in in August and hope you can make it. There should be several Q's and DF's there. Bob Farnam on the field here may still have wheel pant templates and I have a friend locally that may have some as he built two Q's.

If I were building new wheel pants, I would seriously consider sizing them for 5:00 x 5 tires as the smaller original tires are no longer available. Further consider building the pant with the rear being a "blade" as opposed to pointed. Both Bob and I have tuff tested our wheel pants and found the air comes "unglued" on the top and inside of the wheel pant just rear of the elevator faring. Many RV's and EZE's have made this modification.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. Whose airplane did you purchase?


Re: reflexor

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

John ,
Thanks . Seems like the need for a reflexor rises mainly from the the ground handling issue which is very common . I have not heard from anyone without a reflexor who is satisfied with the ground handling .
I wonder if the GH problem is confined to Q200 or is found in Q2 as well .If it is related to FWD CG or insufficient canard lift . If the latter , by faulty design or by construction.?
It appears as if there are three solutions that have been tried successfully .ie the reflexor ; increased canard incidence , and ailerons permanently set up .
I suppose the last is a "poor man's" reflexor but I can say that mine worked perfectly well.
I would like to know when is the reflexor reset down . I guess this gives a better view but there would be a need for more elevator ?

Peter H

----- Original Message -----
From: jtenhave@...
To: 'Q-LIST@...'
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] reflexor


Peter,

your approach and reasoning is right on the money. You have a mature
airframe and an experienced pilot. I suggest that you will know in a
heartbeat if anything is amiss. I strongly support your focus on getting
the basics right first, fixing what is broken and omitting all unjustified
complications and failure modes.

As someone who has also more than his share of Q gliding time, the
ergonomics issues you have raised are very valid. The fact that there are
a bunch of capable folk who can master a less than ideal setup when
everything is going well does not change the fact that in extremis, things
in the wrong place when you need them will contribute to overload faster
than almost anything else.

You also ask a most interesting question - exactly why do you need to fit a
reflexor? What problem are you trying to fix and is this the best
solution?

You are absolutely right to analyse what is needed and what is not, and as
you so rightly point out, you have to be happy to take responsibility for
whatever you do. Sounds a lot like responsible engineering to me.

Thanks for the kind words.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Harris [SMTP:peterjfharris@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] reflexor

"Oh shit" Settle down Al,
If you read my post you will know I have a lot of other priorities to fix
before thinking about the reflexor .
If test flights are successful ie if the Q is back to original flight and
handling then I will need a good reason to fit this system .I have done
enough test flights to know not to make more than one change at a time .

<If you fly your plane enough you will have the tailwheel sliding around
and the plane porpoises on the
runway. I hope you don't hurt yourself the day you say, "Oh shit" and
finally realize that we were giving you good advice to install the thing.>

I have 300 hrs and the owner before me 250 hrs. The above does not apply .
I would need some other reason to fit a reflexor .
I have pondered about these reports of ground handling problems and think
it must be due to gaps in information in the plans For example there is
nothing to say how to properly allign the elevator brackets CS 15, 17 and
19 . But these should be fitted so the elevator axis of rotation is
coincident with the level lines
For those that miss this point the airfoil is spoiled and canard lift could
be reduced which would contribute to a number of the reported problems .
Another possibility is in technique . The practice of holding forward stick
will reduce tailwheel load and may cause tail liftoff at about 40KTS.
Sam I am receptive to good ideas but must make the final decision for my
Q.During the course of this repair job I have had a heap of good advice
from the group.
I am grateful to Pat Panzera for the idea to use a serrated applicator for
micro . The glass is visible so the thickness is easily controlled ,sanding
is 50% easier to achieve shape and the remaining grooves are easily and
accurately filled with a flexible flat applicator .Thanks also for the
ideas on a better trim control.
To John Tenhave for his unselfish help to define the recipe for the
replacement spars and for visiting the sparmaker , and for proper design of
the tail spring which I will be fitting this week .
To David Gall for explaining the interaction of canard and main wing
incidence so we were able to able to CALCULATE by how much to adjust canard
incidence .
and to many others for inspiration.
The job is half painted and starting to look like an aeroplane.
Peter H



On Thu, 23 May 2002 16:50:51 +1000 "Peter Harris"
<peterjfharris@...> writes:
Rene , Sam , Earnest ,
The reflexor has been a popular fix for a number of problems and as
I understand it the reflexor fixes ground handling and is easier to
use than the pitch trim in flight .
I was completely satisfied with my plans built Q in ground handling
and flight .It has no T tail .I was surprised to hear of the
problems in other Qs and wonder how much is due to the variations
that can occur in making to these plans . Perhaps technique is
another factor to explain these problems .Mine was pitch stable and
max airspeed with the Revmaster 65HP was 140 KTS IAS at 1500 ft.I
made 3 trips of 950NM / day without fatigue . My only complaint is
with the ergonomics and I plan to relocate the starter switch and
the trim control , but first to release the control friction where
it is.
I am hoping to get the same performance and handling from the new
canard . If I do I don't know why I would need a reflexor .I need to
know more about exactly what the reflexor fixes , or what it
improves , before I can decide on one for my Q.
Peter H
elevator trim Maybe you could
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Robertson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] reflexor


Earnest,
Please re-phrase that to read "HAS ONE OR HAS A T-TAIL". I've never
had the
need for a reflexor, but do have a T-tail. It may just be my
opinion, but I
think mine flies successfully.
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

MartinErni@... wrote:

Peter,
I am will Al, you need a reflexor. Every successfully
flying Q or
dragonfly that I HAVE SEEN HAS ONE. I guess everyone flying could
be wrong.

Earnest Martin
750 hrs TRIQ200


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Purchased Q200

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Hi I am new to the Q list but not new to Dragonfly's. I just got a deal
on a Q200, the Owner crashed in another bird as a passenger and was
killed about a year ago. I saw this Q back about a year and a half ago
and was interested in it as it was flying back then. Since he has taken
it all apart. Looks like he was going to change to different landing
gear as the outboard wheels have been completely cut off, along with the
elevators. It has a very low time 0-200 on it and seams to be all there.
I'm sure the engine is worth more than what I paid for everything. Would
sure like some comments on putting the wheels back on the tips of the
canard and what layups are required in that area. He was a 2nd owner and
has no plans. I am at a bit of a loss there.

Thankyou in advance for any help


Ron Triano in sunny South Lake Tahoe, CA


Re: Spinners

Jim Patillo
 

Sam,

I made my front spinner bulkhead. Cut a piece of aluminum (appropriate thickness and diameter) the right size for the front of the hub, measure and drill prop bolt holes, cut clear tubing and install around the radius. When the spinner is installed bulkhead should be a snug fit. I have 280 hours on it and not a sign of a crack. I have a polished aluminum spinner.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 5:51 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Spinners

All,

I have purchased a Performance Designs prop, which has a hub thickness of 4.0" My old prop was a Warnke, with a hub thickness of 3.5". My old spinner, fit for the Warnke, will not fit the new prop.

It looks like I'm going to buy a new spinner from A/C Spruce and use it. The problem being, A/C Spruce does not offer a front bulkhead for 4" hubs.

Has anybody sucessfully made and flown a spinner with a homemade front bulkhead? If so, how did you fabricate it?

Any other suggestions?

Sam


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Re: Spinners

jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
 

Sam,
far and away the easiest way is to get your local metal spinner to make you one. The

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Ham [SMTP:sehu@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 10:29 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Spinners

Sam, I saw a fellow make a bulkhead for a spinner. He cut a 2" piece of
plywood in the radius he needed and the cut a female an eighth of a inck
bigger. Then laid a piece of aluminum cut in a circle about a half of an
inch larger over the (male) form and put the female on top. Put it in a
press and Wal-laa had a bulkhead.
Steve Ham

PS Call me when you get a chance...317 575 0418
I have got a question for you.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:50 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Spinners


All,

I have purchased a Performance Designs prop, which has a hub thickness of
4.0" My old prop was a Warnke, with a hub thickness of 3.5". My old
spinner, fit for the Warnke, will not fit the new prop.

It looks like I'm going to buy a new spinner from A/C Spruce and use it.
The problem being, A/C Spruce does not offer a front bulkhead for 4" hubs.

Has anybody sucessfully made and flown a spinner with a homemade front
bulkhead? If so, how did you fabricate it?

Any other suggestions?

Sam



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Spinners

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

All,

I have purchased a Performance Designs prop, which has a hub thickness of 4.0" My old prop was a Warnke, with a hub thickness of 3.5". My old spinner, fit for the Warnke, will not fit the new prop.

It looks like I'm going to buy a new spinner from A/C Spruce and use it. The problem being, A/C Spruce does not offer a front bulkhead for 4" hubs.

Has anybody sucessfully made and flown a spinner with a homemade front bulkhead? If so, how did you fabricate it?

Any other suggestions?

Sam


Re: Spinners

Steven Ham <sehu@...>
 

Sam, I saw a fellow make a bulkhead for a spinner. He cut a 2" piece of
plywood in the radius he needed and the cut a female an eighth of a inck
bigger. Then laid a piece of aluminum cut in a circle about a half of an
inch larger over the (male) form and put the female on top. Put it in a
press and Wal-laa had a bulkhead.
Steve Ham

PS Call me when you get a chance...317 575 0418
I have got a question for you.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:50 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Spinners


All,

I have purchased a Performance Designs prop, which has a hub thickness of
4.0" My old prop was a Warnke, with a hub thickness of 3.5". My old
spinner, fit for the Warnke, will not fit the new prop.

It looks like I'm going to buy a new spinner from A/C Spruce and use it.
The problem being, A/C Spruce does not offer a front bulkhead for 4" hubs.

Has anybody sucessfully made and flown a spinner with a homemade front
bulkhead? If so, how did you fabricate it?

Any other suggestions?

Sam



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Re: Aussies attending Oshkosh (forums)

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Sam and Sandy,
I wish , but the piggy bank is busted .Hope you all enjoy.
Peter H , Kangaroo Q

<How about dragging along Peter Harris, Neil J., John tenHave, and John
Cartledge? Have I forgotton anyone? I'll introduce you all around.

Could we name the breed from down under the Kangaroo Qs?

Fantastic!

Sam and Sandy >

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur & Margaret" <warreen@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Oshkosh forums


Well Mike I am coming to Oshkosh this year with one of my Q building
buddy's, 70 so far coming with the tour group for Oshkosh,and we arrive on
th 21st till 29th then home to the wife for her birthday I should get 10
points for that.At the last count there were 7 or 8 coming from my chapter
1296 and we well be saying at the University. The days are pasting
veryyyyyyy slowly the waiting is wearing me out. Regards Arthur Boyd
Tri-q
t building.



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Re: Aussies attending Oshkosh (forums)

Neil Jepsen <jepsen@...>
 

We will make it one day Sam.
neil j

Sam Hoskins wrote:

Arthur, that is just great!! Sandy and I are really looking foward
to
seeing you and Margret again. We'll have to figure out how to do
dinner
some evening!
How about dragging along Peter Harris, Neil J., John tenHave, and John

Cartledge? Have I forgotton anyone? I'll introduce you all around.

Could we name the breed from down under the Kangaroo Qs?

Fantastic!

Sam and Sandy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur & Margaret" <warreen@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Oshkosh forums


Well Mike I am coming to Oshkosh this year with one of my Q building
buddy's, 70 so far coming with the tour group for Oshkosh,and we
arrive on
th 21st till 29th then home to the wife for her birthday I should
get 10
points for that.At the last count there were 7 or 8 coming from my
chapter
1296 and we well be saying at the University. The days are pasting
veryyyyyyy slowly the waiting is wearing me out. Regards Arthur Boyd
Tri-q
t building.



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Congratulations in Order For 1,000-Hour Homebuilts

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

Congratulations in Order For 1,000-Hour Homebuilts
If you've flown your amateur-built aircraft for more than 1,000 hours, EAA'
s Aviation Information Services wants to hear from you so it can properly
recognize the accomplishment. Your important contribution to recreational
aviation and the homebuilt movement will be commemorated with a special
Certificate of Accomplishment signed by EAA President Tom Poberezny. To
receive your 1000-Hour Homebuilt certificate, send your name, complete
mailing address, and aircraft make, model and N number to info@..., or
mail to: EAA Aviation Information Services P.O. Box 3086, Oshkosh, WI
54903-3086.


Re: Aussies attending Oshkosh (forums)

Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
 

Arthur, that is just great!! Sandy and I are really looking foward to
seeing you and Margret again. We'll have to figure out how to do dinner
some evening!
How about dragging along Peter Harris, Neil J., John tenHave, and John
Cartledge? Have I forgotton anyone? I'll introduce you all around.

Could we name the breed from down under the Kangaroo Qs?

Fantastic!

Sam and Sandy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur & Margaret" <warreen@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Oshkosh forums


Well Mike I am coming to Oshkosh this year with one of my Q building
buddy's, 70 so far coming with the tour group for Oshkosh,and we arrive on
th 21st till 29th then home to the wife for her birthday I should get 10
points for that.At the last count there were 7 or 8 coming from my chapter
1296 and we well be saying at the University. The days are pasting
veryyyyyyy slowly the waiting is wearing me out. Regards Arthur Boyd
Tri-q
t building.



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Re: Oshkosh forums

Arthur & Margaret <warreen@...>
 

Well Mike I am coming to Oshkosh this year with one of my Q building
buddy's, 70 so far coming with the tour group for Oshkosh,and we arrive on
th 21st till 29th then home to the wife for her birthday I should get 10
points for that.At the last count there were 7 or 8 coming from my chapter
1296 and we well be saying at the University. The days are pasting
veryyyyyyy slowly the waiting is wearing me out. Regards Arthur Boyd Tri-q
t building.


Re: reflexor

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Mike ,Thanks ,
<Reason 1, I found that without touching the throttle I can get 4 mph more
speed by putting the reflexer up so that the elevator is flush on the canard
wing. This is on a standard Q-200. Free speed, a good reason.>

This one I like , but I will need to see whether my Q NEEDS help to flush the elevator . It was only 1 deg down before and with help from David Gall we have adjusted the canard incidence to zero this out . Mine is a Q2 - 100 ie close to 100HP from the Norton engine which weighs only 64KG ie 141LB wet and that could be a factor . Perhaps the 0-200 weight brings the Q200 to a more FWD CG than mine hence the need for elevator down.

<Reason 2, upon landing I reflex the ailerons up fully and have much better
tail wheel steering. I can now clamp on the brakes more than I could
without the reflexer.>

Again a FWD CG in the Q200 if applicable would contribute to tail being light , but I must admit my ailerons were set up by 1.5 deg permanently which no doubt helped the good steering characteristics . The Canard adjustment we made will preserve this characteristic and I can let them down to zero and there should be no degradation in ground handling.

<Reason 3, I set the reflexer one way when I'm at full gross and another with
single pilot operation. This helps me to keep the tail wheel from hitting
first if heavy or not wanting to set down if light. If this was the only
reason I could live without the reflexer.>

Again I have not had the "light tail" problem and most of my flights are solo.

All in all I have probably been lucky . The builders were experienced model builders and knew what to do even if the plans were lacking .
However as a result of the total replacement of the canard it remains to be seen if it still handles that way .

The overal impression I am getting is that the most common problem overcome by the reflexer is the "light tail" problem and I would like to get a better understanding of why ie is it FWD CG or a lack of lift by the canard ?? Item 1 correction of the elevator flush to canard is a clue .
Peter H


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Re: reflexor

jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
 

Peter,

your approach and reasoning is right on the money. You have a mature
airframe and an experienced pilot. I suggest that you will know in a
heartbeat if anything is amiss. I strongly support your focus on getting
the basics right first, fixing what is broken and omitting all unjustified
complications and failure modes.

As someone who has also more than his share of Q gliding time, the
ergonomics issues you have raised are very valid. The fact that there are
a bunch of capable folk who can master a less than ideal setup when
everything is going well does not change the fact that in extremis, things
in the wrong place when you need them will contribute to overload faster
than almost anything else.

You also ask a most interesting question - exactly why do you need to fit a
reflexor? What problem are you trying to fix and is this the best
solution?

You are absolutely right to analyse what is needed and what is not, and as
you so rightly point out, you have to be happy to take responsibility for
whatever you do. Sounds a lot like responsible engineering to me.

Thanks for the kind words.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Harris [SMTP:peterjfharris@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:53 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] reflexor

"Oh shit" Settle down Al,
If you read my post you will know I have a lot of other priorities to fix
before thinking about the reflexor .
If test flights are successful ie if the Q is back to original flight and
handling then I will need a good reason to fit this system .I have done
enough test flights to know not to make more than one change at a time .

<If you fly your plane enough you will have the tailwheel sliding around
and the plane porpoises on the
runway. I hope you don't hurt yourself the day you say, "Oh shit" and
finally realize that we were giving you good advice to install the thing.>

I have 300 hrs and the owner before me 250 hrs. The above does not apply .
I would need some other reason to fit a reflexor .
I have pondered about these reports of ground handling problems and think
it must be due to gaps in information in the plans For example there is
nothing to say how to properly allign the elevator brackets CS 15, 17 and
19 . But these should be fitted so the elevator axis of rotation is
coincident with the level lines
For those that miss this point the airfoil is spoiled and canard lift could
be reduced which would contribute to a number of the reported problems .
Another possibility is in technique . The practice of holding forward stick
will reduce tailwheel load and may cause tail liftoff at about 40KTS.
Sam I am receptive to good ideas but must make the final decision for my
Q.During the course of this repair job I have had a heap of good advice
from the group.
I am grateful to Pat Panzera for the idea to use a serrated applicator for
micro . The glass is visible so the thickness is easily controlled ,sanding
is 50% easier to achieve shape and the remaining grooves are easily and
accurately filled with a flexible flat applicator .Thanks also for the
ideas on a better trim control.
To John Tenhave for his unselfish help to define the recipe for the
replacement spars and for visiting the sparmaker , and for proper design of
the tail spring which I will be fitting this week .
To David Gall for explaining the interaction of canard and main wing
incidence so we were able to able to CALCULATE by how much to adjust canard
incidence .
and to many others for inspiration.
The job is half painted and starting to look like an aeroplane.
Peter H



On Thu, 23 May 2002 16:50:51 +1000 "Peter Harris"
<peterjfharris@...> writes:
Rene , Sam , Earnest ,
The reflexor has been a popular fix for a number of problems and as
I understand it the reflexor fixes ground handling and is easier to
use than the pitch trim in flight .
I was completely satisfied with my plans built Q in ground handling
and flight .It has no T tail .I was surprised to hear of the
problems in other Qs and wonder how much is due to the variations
that can occur in making to these plans . Perhaps technique is
another factor to explain these problems .Mine was pitch stable and
max airspeed with the Revmaster 65HP was 140 KTS IAS at 1500 ft.I
made 3 trips of 950NM / day without fatigue . My only complaint is
with the ergonomics and I plan to relocate the starter switch and
the trim control , but first to release the control friction where
it is.
I am hoping to get the same performance and handling from the new
canard . If I do I don't know why I would need a reflexor .I need to
know more about exactly what the reflexor fixes , or what it
improves , before I can decide on one for my Q.
Peter H
elevator trim Maybe you could
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Robertson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] reflexor


Earnest,
Please re-phrase that to read "HAS ONE OR HAS A T-TAIL". I've never
had the
need for a reflexor, but do have a T-tail. It may just be my
opinion, but I
think mine flies successfully.
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

MartinErni@... wrote:

Peter,
I am will Al, you need a reflexor. Every successfully
flying Q or
dragonfly that I HAVE SEEN HAS ONE. I guess everyone flying could
be wrong.

Earnest Martin
750 hrs TRIQ200


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Re: reflexor

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

From: Peter Harris
I would need some other reason to fit a reflexor .
Mikes Response:
Reason 1, I found that without touching the throttle I can get 4 mph more
speed by putting the reflexer up so that the elevator is flush on the canard
wing. This is on a standard Q-200. Free speed, a good reason.

Reason 2, upon landing I reflex the ailerons up fully and have much better
tail wheel steering. I can now clamp on the brakes more than I could
without the reflexer.

Reason 3, I set the reflexer one way when I'm at full gross and another with
single pilot operation. This helps me to keep the tail wheel from hitting
first if heavy or not wanting to set down if light. If this was the only
reason I could live without the reflexer.

The reflexer is a simple tool that gives me more control over the flying
charicteristics of the Q-200.

Mike Q-200 900+ hours


Re: reflexor

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Mike ,
I agree 100% and it is worth fixing.
Pat P has a neat schematic for the side stick at www.groups.yahoo/groupQ-LIST/files/dualsidesticks.jpg
I am pondering a centre stick extension that would pivot at the base of the centre stick and rest on the lap just above the family jewels . It could be used with either hand and would lift clear for access.
Alternatively a left handed vernier cable controlled pitch trim.
Peter H

< The ergonomics of a standard plans-built Q are, to put it politely,
terrible. Unless you are a three-armed-and-handed mutant, or have an octopus
as SIC, it is impossible to reach all the flight controls quickly and
easily. I want to be able to control the throttle, stick, and brakes all at
the same time. This cannot be done unless you go to toe brakes and move the
throttle to the left. If you want the radios accessible, they need to be on
the left, too.>
<I want the trim wheel beside
the stick where it can be reached with a finger or thumb on the stick hand
without turning loose, instead of up near the panel where it must be
operated with the left hand, while leaning forward, to get to it. Being able
to reach everything easily just makes good sense to me.
Another option is a left side stick, which I haven't ruled out either.
It would require some re-engineering of the controls, but it would make for
a much better cockpit layout,>


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Re: reflexor

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

"Oh shit" Settle down Al,
If you read my post you will know I have a lot of other priorities to fix before thinking about the reflexor .
If test flights are successful ie if the Q is back to original flight and handling then I will need a good reason to fit this system .I have done enough test flights to know not to make more than one change at a time .

<If you fly your plane enough you will have the tailwheel sliding around
and the plane porpoises on the
runway. I hope you don't hurt yourself the day you say, "Oh shit" and
finally realize that we were giving you good advice to install the thing.>

I have 300 hrs and the owner before me 250 hrs. The above does not apply . I would need some other reason to fit a reflexor .
I have pondered about these reports of ground handling problems and think it must be due to gaps in information in the plans For example there is nothing to say how to properly allign the elevator brackets CS 15, 17 and 19 . But these should be fitted so the elevator axis of rotation is coincident with the level lines
For those that miss this point the airfoil is spoiled and canard lift could be reduced which would contribute to a number of the reported problems .
Another possibility is in technique . The practice of holding forward stick will reduce tailwheel load and may cause tail liftoff at about 40KTS.
Sam I am receptive to good ideas but must make the final decision for my Q.During the course of this repair job I have had a heap of good advice from the group.
I am grateful to Pat Panzera for the idea to use a serrated applicator for micro . The glass is visible so the thickness is easily controlled ,sanding is 50% easier to achieve shape and the remaining grooves are easily and accurately filled with a flexible flat applicator .Thanks also for the ideas on a better trim control.
To John Tenhave for his unselfish help to define the recipe for the replacement spars and for visiting the sparmaker , and for proper design of the tail spring which I will be fitting this week .
To David Gall for explaining the interaction of canard and main wing incidence so we were able to able to CALCULATE by how much to adjust canard incidence .
and to many others for inspiration.
The job is half painted and starting to look like an aeroplane.
Peter H



On Thu, 23 May 2002 16:50:51 +1000 "Peter Harris"
<peterjfharris@...> writes:
Rene , Sam , Earnest ,
The reflexor has been a popular fix for a number of problems and as
I understand it the reflexor fixes ground handling and is easier to
use than the pitch trim in flight .
I was completely satisfied with my plans built Q in ground handling
and flight .It has no T tail .I was surprised to hear of the
problems in other Qs and wonder how much is due to the variations
that can occur in making to these plans . Perhaps technique is
another factor to explain these problems .Mine was pitch stable and
max airspeed with the Revmaster 65HP was 140 KTS IAS at 1500 ft.I
made 3 trips of 950NM / day without fatigue . My only complaint is
with the ergonomics and I plan to relocate the starter switch and
the trim control , but first to release the control friction where
it is.
I am hoping to get the same performance and handling from the new
canard . If I do I don't know why I would need a reflexor .I need to
know more about exactly what the reflexor fixes , or what it
improves , before I can decide on one for my Q.
Peter H
elevator trim Maybe you could
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Robertson
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] reflexor


Earnest,
Please re-phrase that to read "HAS ONE OR HAS A T-TAIL". I've never
had the
need for a reflexor, but do have a T-tail. It may just be my
opinion, but I
think mine flies successfully.
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

MartinErni@... wrote:

Peter,
I am will Al, you need a reflexor. Every successfully
flying Q or
dragonfly that I HAVE SEEN HAS ONE. I guess everyone flying could
be wrong.

Earnest Martin
750 hrs TRIQ200


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