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Re: Sparrow Strainer
I am not smart enough to be in this discussion. The one comment I will make is I make mine adjustable. If I change the angle 2 degrees + or 2 degrees - from plans the way the airplane flies is
I am not smart enough to be in this discussion. The one comment I will make is I make mine adjustable. If I change the angle 2 degrees + or 2 degrees - from plans the way the airplane flies is
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Terry Crouch
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#53851
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
I will research this, Troy. Thanks for bringing this up. That is a huge difference. The 17.75 inch version is much lower angle, which probably explains the proportional reduction in angle on that
I will research this, Troy. Thanks for bringing this up. That is a huge difference. The 17.75 inch version is much lower angle, which probably explains the proportional reduction in angle on that
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Jay Scheevel
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#53850
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
I want to add a note on the sparrow strainers that I haven’t seen mentioned yet. There are (at least) two variations of sparrow strainers in the plans from QAC.
Here is the one that you will get in
I want to add a note on the sparrow strainers that I haven’t seen mentioned yet. There are (at least) two variations of sparrow strainers in the plans from QAC.
Here is the one that you will get in
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Troy Zawlacki
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#53849
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
Ok, just checked the plans based version and it is more like 40 degrees from the top of the sparrow strainer airfoil and the top of the elevator. That is what mine is, since it is per plans, or at
Ok, just checked the plans based version and it is more like 40 degrees from the top of the sparrow strainer airfoil and the top of the elevator. That is what mine is, since it is per plans, or at
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Jay Scheevel
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#53848
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
Thanks Chris,
Quick turn around! It sounds like you are about in the same ballpark as I am wrt to angle, so my guess is that your sparrow strainer is also stalled. Sometime when you get back to flying
Thanks Chris,
Quick turn around! It sounds like you are about in the same ballpark as I am wrt to angle, so my guess is that your sparrow strainer is also stalled. Sometime when you get back to flying
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Jay Scheevel
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#53847
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
Jay----------- I found the info you wanted. Easier than putting on the snow shoes. The strainer airfoil is 2 x 10.25 and is upside down. I used
balsa and sanded to an airfoil shape and glassed.
Jay----------- I found the info you wanted. Easier than putting on the snow shoes. The strainer airfoil is 2 x 10.25 and is upside down. I used
balsa and sanded to an airfoil shape and glassed.
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Chris Walterson
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#53846
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
Thanks Chris. Any chance you could put on your snowshoes and go out to measure the angle difference between the top of the strainer airfoil and the top of the elevator surface. This would give me some
Thanks Chris. Any chance you could put on your snowshoes and go out to measure the angle difference between the top of the strainer airfoil and the top of the elevator surface. This would give me some
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Jay Scheevel
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#53845
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Re: Sparrow Strainer
Here are few pics of what I did. These are strainers from Dragonfly plans. I only have two hrs on the airplane, but it did fly hands off with the available trim I had originally set. Lucky. Take
Here are few pics of what I did. These are strainers from Dragonfly plans. I only have two hrs on the airplane, but it did fly hands off with the available trim I had originally set. Lucky. Take
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Chris Walterson
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#53844
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Problem is, Ben. It is always needed. The elevator will always want to push up (causing the plane to dive), so something needs to keep it in place. If it is not for the sparrow strainer, then you will
Problem is, Ben. It is always needed. The elevator will always want to push up (causing the plane to dive), so something needs to keep it in place. If it is not for the sparrow strainer, then you will
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Jay Scheevel
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#53843
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Anthony, I believe what you are talking about is an elevator slot, similar to a slotted flap? Jay's proposed elevator design is plain-flap style, unlike the R1145MS which does make use of an elevator
Anthony, I believe what you are talking about is an elevator slot, similar to a slotted flap? Jay's proposed elevator design is plain-flap style, unlike the R1145MS which does make use of an elevator
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Michael Dunning
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#53842
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Jay - Keep going!
This is great fun.
With yarn video and your flow analysis it's clear there is a problem.
What about an articulating tab, up only when it's needed?
Ben Wilson
Jay - Keep going!
This is great fun.
With yarn video and your flow analysis it's clear there is a problem.
What about an articulating tab, up only when it's needed?
Ben Wilson
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Ben Wilson
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#53841
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
I think you are misunderstanding a concept. The airfoil only changes the direction of the flow, it does not occlude the flow. It doesn’t matter how closely you “tuck in behind” another body. The
I think you are misunderstanding a concept. The airfoil only changes the direction of the flow, it does not occlude the flow. It doesn’t matter how closely you “tuck in behind” another body. The
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Jay Scheevel
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#53840
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Ok, thank you.
Very hard to believe that an airfoil in free stream would behave similarly to the same airfoil tucked closely behind another body.
I'm obviously missing something. I'll go back and
Ok, thank you.
Very hard to believe that an airfoil in free stream would behave similarly to the same airfoil tucked closely behind another body.
I'm obviously missing something. I'll go back and
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Anthony P
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#53839
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
There I virtually no aerodynamic impact of the transition from the fixed elevator slot core to the elevator, so if that is what you mean, then no there is no effect.
Cheers,
Jay
There I virtually no aerodynamic impact of the transition from the fixed elevator slot core to the elevator, so if that is what you mean, then no there is no effect.
Cheers,
Jay
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Jay Scheevel
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#53838
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
"Elevator Slot" = "pocket"
(pic taken from http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2014-06-18T04:55:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=27&by-date=false)
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Q2 N86KL
"Elevator Slot" = "pocket"
(pic taken from http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2014-06-18T04:55:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=27&by-date=false)
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Q2 N86KL
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Anthony P
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#53837
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Not sure what you mean by “pocket”??
Not sure what you mean by “pocket”??
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Jay Scheevel
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#53836
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Sparrow Strainer
Here is about the best pic I could find without going out to the airport (sore throat). If I get a chance I will go to the airport for a side view so it can bet better evaluated. This is my set up
Here is about the best pic I could find without going out to the airport (sore throat). If I get a chance I will go to the airport for a side view so it can bet better evaluated. This is my set up
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Bruce Crain
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#53835
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Jay, this is all very interesting.
Do your (model) numbers for the above profile include the effect of the pocket that the elevator partially occupies and the gaps to the trailing edges of the
Jay, this is all very interesting.
Do your (model) numbers for the above profile include the effect of the pocket that the elevator partially occupies and the gaps to the trailing edges of the
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Anthony P
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#53834
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Hi Brian,
So here is the non-engineering answer:
The solution was developed a long time ago. John Roncz solved most problems for the Long EZ canard by introducing the new airfoil (Roncz
Hi Brian,
So here is the non-engineering answer:
The solution was developed a long time ago. John Roncz solved most problems for the Long EZ canard by introducing the new airfoil (Roncz
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Jay Scheevel
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#53833
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
We think so..but remember that aerodynamics since 1980 has itself changed quite a bit, Brian. Aerodynamics is still an evolving study. Actually Manufacturing and Structures Design is also. Internal
We think so..but remember that aerodynamics since 1980 has itself changed quite a bit, Brian. Aerodynamics is still an evolving study. Actually Manufacturing and Structures Design is also. Internal
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Frankenbird Vern
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#53832
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