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Re: Delamination

Sam Hoskins
 

Please send photos. 


On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 11:26 PM Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:
I have had several major life changes happen over the last year. I've had to make several adjustments to my life and schedule which had put my quickie on the back burner. But as things are balancing out for me, I have finally been home enough to begin work again.
On this note, I have found a 6 inch delamination where the wood should reinforce the shell below the canopy. Is this going to become a major concern? I was thinking of carving the section out and repairing it. It's probably too far back to use as a place to install naca ducts for airflow. It would be just above my left arm if I was using the throttle or mixture controls. I'm working on laminating the bulkheads and maybe the seat/tank like Chris did on his before I match the shells together and finish cutting out the frame. 


Re: Delamination

Troy Zawlacki
 

Im guessing this a Q1? On the Q2, the wood longerons dont go in until after the shells are joined, and then yes they are a very important structural member.

Taz

On Jun 23, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Cody <cody.craig1985@...> wrote:

I have had several major life changes happen over the last year. I've had to make several adjustments to my life and schedule which had put my quickie on the back burner. But as things are balancing out for me, I have finally been home enough to begin work again.
On this note, I have found a 6 inch delamination where the wood should reinforce the shell below the canopy. Is this going to become a major concern? I was thinking of carving the section out and repairing it. It's probably too far back to use as a place to install naca ducts for airflow. It would be just above my left arm if I was using the throttle or mixture controls. I'm working on laminating the bulkheads and maybe the seat/tank like Chris did on his before I match the shells together and finish cutting out the frame. 


Delamination

 

I have had several major life changes happen over the last year. I've had to make several adjustments to my life and schedule which had put my quickie on the back burner. But as things are balancing out for me, I have finally been home enough to begin work again.
On this note, I have found a 6 inch delamination where the wood should reinforce the shell below the canopy. Is this going to become a major concern? I was thinking of carving the section out and repairing it. It's probably too far back to use as a place to install naca ducts for airflow. It would be just above my left arm if I was using the throttle or mixture controls. I'm working on laminating the bulkheads and maybe the seat/tank like Chris did on his before I match the shells together and finish cutting out the frame. 


Re: Wheel Alignment Discussion

Anthony P
 

I believe that the symptoms of toe-in, toe-out, positive camber, and negative camber are described in the Gall Wheel Alignment document.  These symptoms/behaviors are not unique to Quickies or airplanes.
I also remember seeing reasonable alignment goals stated in that doc.

Make sure that full fuel and your body weight are represented when measuring both toe and camber.  Extra points if you do the measurements again at gross and then again with main empty and a light pilot.  There will be a compromise.
It's a complex cantilevered structure and both measurements will change with load.

I think you want each axle axis to be within a 1"-2" radius of the opposite axle center.  Others will have better numbers.


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Re: Wheel Alignment Discussion

Jim Patillo
 

Robert, I will be at the restaurant In Watsonville tomorrow at noon to take you for your first  Quickie Ride. I hope you enjoy it!

Best,
Jim
N46JP -Q200


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Subject: [Q-List] Wheel Alignment Discussion
 
Since this conversation got going on a different topic thread I figured I ask my question in a new topic ... What's the ideal alignment? No camber, light toe out @ Gross Weight?

I am asking because the built frame I bought has neutral toe and loaded with weight has slight negative camber (top tilted inward) ... What will that do on landings?

And for reference, here is the link to the Gall Wheel Alignment ... http://www.quickheads.com/images/safety/DavidGall_WheelAlignment.pdf
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Wheel Alignment Discussion

 

Since this conversation got going on a different topic thread I figured I ask my question in a new topic ... What's the ideal alignment? No camber, light toe out @ Gross Weight?

I am asking because the built frame I bought has neutral toe and loaded with weight has slight negative camber (top tilted inward) ... What will that do on landings?

And for reference, here is the link to the Gall Wheel Alignment ... http://www.quickheads.com/images/safety/DavidGall_WheelAlignment.pdf
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Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid
(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


Re: CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off

Jim Patillo
 

Good morning Sam and Mike,

To be clear, my plane was never “twitchy”. but we saw planes that were and fixed them with the bell crank mod. Sam taxied my plane in Kansas and knows it tracks like it’s on rails. 

David’s alignment certainly helped and I suspect saved several planes.  I didn’t do his wheel alignment but did splay the mains “wheels/tires”
a couple degrees out. With the tires straight or slightly toed in, the plane becomes a wheel barrow and exacerbates the problem.  If the tires are toe’d out the plane tends to grab better and track straight. Just my opinion.

Like I said way back, I’ve quit trying to convince anyone about anything, to each his own. I just know what works. That’s why they call um’ experimental. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200
2000+ take off and landings without incident. 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 7:15:43 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off
 
If I might add to Sams post.  My tailwheel setup was purely to plans with no mods.  I set up my main wheels with slight toe out and no camber at gross weight.  You can see all the landings on my youtube page.  There was no twitchyness!  I'd propose that the Gaul Wheel alignment is clearly the critical step in getting a Q to roll straight.

Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:07 AM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
When we created the bell crank in good old KLVK, it was so that you could remove some of the twitchy- ness out of the tail wheel on landing, and ditto for the toe brakes (during the transition from flight to ground handling). This is where Q pilots can get into trouble. 
 
 By using a 6” bell crank you can create proportional differential between the rudder and tail wheel.  Sam’s splitter solves the broken tail spring issue but does not address the twitchy issue. Correct me if I am wrong Sam, I'm getting old. 😊
IMHO, properly doing the Gall Alignment takes care of the handling issues. In the history of the Q-2/Q-200, there were a lot of handling issues because the plans didn't takke into account the weight of the aircraft.  If you compare the Q-1 plans with the Q-2 plans you will see that the lifted the wheel pant installation as a cut and paste from the Q-1 plans.

Way back when, the community tried all sorts of fixes for instance, changing deck angles, changing the geometry of the tailwheel bracket, changing the position of the axle in the wheel pants, and most radicaly, converting it to a tricycle gear.  Then David Gall came along and nailed the true problem - the wheel alignment was wrong once the engine was installed and the aircraft was loaded.  He published the fix.  I think he did a white paper on it as well.  When I built a new cannard I incorporated the Gall Alignment at the get go.  It's somewhere here: https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Canard%20-%20%20LS-1%20for%20Q-200/Improved%20LS1%20Instructions-1.pdf

My aircraft handles better than it ever has and the rudder pedals are responsive. At this point, who's aircraft is twitchy or not?  I guess the way we could only tell is to have a meet-up sometime.

Sam


Re: CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off

Mike Dwyer
 

If I might add to Sams post.  My tailwheel setup was purely to plans with no mods.  I set up my main wheels with slight toe out and no camber at gross weight.  You can see all the landings on my youtube page.  There was no twitchyness!  I'd propose that the Gaul Wheel alignment is clearly the critical step in getting a Q to roll straight.

Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:07 AM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
When we created the bell crank in good old KLVK, it was so that you could remove some of the twitchy- ness out of the tail wheel on landing, and ditto for the toe brakes (during the transition from flight to ground handling). This is where Q pilots can get into trouble. 
 
 By using a 6” bell crank you can create proportional differential between the rudder and tail wheel.  Sam’s splitter solves the broken tail spring issue but does not address the twitchy issue. Correct me if I am wrong Sam, I'm getting old. 😊
IMHO, properly doing the Gall Alignment takes care of the handling issues. In the history of the Q-2/Q-200, there were a lot of handling issues because the plans didn't takke into account the weight of the aircraft.  If you compare the Q-1 plans with the Q-2 plans you will see that the lifted the wheel pant installation as a cut and paste from the Q-1 plans.

Way back when, the community tried all sorts of fixes for instance, changing deck angles, changing the geometry of the tailwheel bracket, changing the position of the axle in the wheel pants, and most radicaly, converting it to a tricycle gear.  Then David Gall came along and nailed the true problem - the wheel alignment was wrong once the engine was installed and the aircraft was loaded.  He published the fix.  I think he did a white paper on it as well.  When I built a new cannard I incorporated the Gall Alignment at the get go.  It's somewhere here: https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Canard%20-%20%20LS-1%20for%20Q-200/Improved%20LS1%20Instructions-1.pdf

My aircraft handles better than it ever has and the rudder pedals are responsive. At this point, who's aircraft is twitchy or not?  I guess the way we could only tell is to have a meet-up sometime.

Sam


Re: CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off

Sam Hoskins
 

When we created the bell crank in good old KLVK, it was so that you could remove some of the twitchy- ness out of the tail wheel on landing, and ditto for the toe brakes (during the transition from flight to ground handling). This is where Q pilots can get into trouble. 
 
 By using a 6” bell crank you can create proportional differential between the rudder and tail wheel.  Sam’s splitter solves the broken tail spring issue but does not address the twitchy issue. Correct me if I am wrong Sam, I'm getting old. 😊
IMHO, properly doing the Gall Alignment takes care of the handling issues. In the history of the Q-2/Q-200, there were a lot of handling issues because the plans didn't takke into account the weight of the aircraft.  If you compare the Q-1 plans with the Q-2 plans you will see that the lifted the wheel pant installation as a cut and paste from the Q-1 plans.

Way back when, the community tried all sorts of fixes for instance, changing deck angles, changing the geometry of the tailwheel bracket, changing the position of the axle in the wheel pants, and most radicaly, converting it to a tricycle gear.  Then David Gall came along and nailed the true problem - the wheel alignment was wrong once the engine was installed and the aircraft was loaded.  He published the fix.  I think he did a white paper on it as well.  When I built a new cannard I incorporated the Gall Alignment at the get go.  It's somewhere here: https://q-list.groups.io/g/main/files/Canard%20-%20%20LS-1%20for%20Q-200/Improved%20LS1%20Instructions-1.pdf

My aircraft handles better than it ever has and the rudder pedals are responsive. At this point, who's aircraft is twitchy or not?  I guess the way we could only tell is to have a meet-up sometime.

Sam


Re: CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off

Jim Patillo
 

Hi Michael,

Have you ever landed a Quickie? 

When we created the bell crank in good old KLVK, it was so that you could remove some of the twitchy- ness out of the tail wheel on landing, and ditto for the toe brakes (during the transition from flight to ground handling). This is where Q pilots can get into trouble. 

 By using a 6” bell crank you can create proportional differential between the rudder and tail wheel.  Sam’s splitter solves the broken tail spring issue but does not address the twitchy issue. Correct me if I am wrong Sam, I'm getting old. 😊

Jim
N46JP - Q200
2000 + take off and landings. 

PS. Robert, I just used some basic automotive primer, let it dry and then painted over it with Dark Gray Zolatone. I sprayed the entire main body inside less the tail cone. If I were doing it again, I would stop at the seatbacks for weight savings. Are you back in Watsonville? If so I might be able to stop by Friday or Saturday. Fog permitting. 

 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Dunning <dunningme@...>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 2:57:43 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off
 
Robert,

Have you looked at Sam Hoskins' splitter setup? Worth considering before investing the work and weight in the bellcrank version...
7. It's a very good thing to have a splitter in the rudder cables. That way, if the tail spring should break, you still have the rudder. Ditto the differential brakes. 
8. I think the aftermarket intermediate rudder cable bellcrank is unnecessary.
https://samhoskins.blogspot.com/2006/09/how-bout-that-wheel-rudder-my-strong.html
Detail Photo #1
Detail Photo #2
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#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Kevin Boddicker
 

THAT’S IT!!!!!

On Jun 20, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:

Terry wins the Internet (newsletter?) for the day...attached is a 600dpi scan of Quicktalk Sept/Oct 1984 Issue #17 page 6:

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#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building) <Reflexor Plans - Quicktalk 17.jpg>


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Kevin Boddicker
 

Mike,
That is the original plans unit he doesn’t want.

The item I sent is what he needs, but haven’t found the instructions and side view. 
Those are very important. I’ll continue to search.

On Jun 20, 2022, at 2:26 PM, Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:

Here's a link to the QAC version:

Free Plans
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Kevin Boddicker
 

Robert,
This might help. Thought I had the text as well, but it eludes me. I'll keep looking. Maybe someone else can help.
I have a file from Paul Spackman, but I think it is and old EXEC file, and I can’t open it. I believe it had the better drawings and build text.
Guess I can attach that and see if you can open it.

Good luck,




Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B    583 hrs
Luana, IA.




On Jun 20, 2022, at 2:18 AM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:

So I have been searching here and QHeads now for hours to find a reflexor drawings that give me dimensions for this type of setup, taken from Jay's build log ...

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The plan drawings have this quirky mechanism that slides up and down which looks more complicated than one eccentric rotating piece but I can't find clear measurements such as thickness of parts, where the eccentric hole is the arm length etc.

Did you guys all build one offs or have measurements to make from? Thanks as always for links, drawings and more pics.

Robert

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Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


Re: CAD Drafts for Bellcrank & Oil Screen Block Off

Michael Dunning
 

Robert,

Have you looked at Sam Hoskins' splitter setup? Worth considering before investing the work and weight in the bellcrank version...
7. It's a very good thing to have a splitter in the rudder cables. That way, if the tail spring should break, you still have the rudder. Ditto the differential brakes. 
8. I think the aftermarket intermediate rudder cable bellcrank is unnecessary.
https://samhoskins.blogspot.com/2006/09/how-bout-that-wheel-rudder-my-strong.html
Detail Photo #1
Detail Photo #2
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

 

You guys rock. I will make a CAD drawing of this for me, so I can have it waterjet in my plane partners "office" and then share
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www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Michael Dunning
 

Terry wins the Internet (newsletter?) for the day...attached is a 600dpi scan of Quicktalk Sept/Oct 1984 Issue #17 page 6:

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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Michael Dunning
 

Here's a link to the QAC version:

Free Plans
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Terry Crouch
 

The info you are looking for is in Quicktalk  Sept/Oct 1984 issue #17 page 6. This reflexer has been working great in my airplane for the last 1000+ hours.

Terry Crouch
Quickie  N14TC


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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reflexor Drawings?




-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Q-List] Reflexor Drawings?

So I have been searching here and QHeads now for hours to find a reflexor drawings that give me dimensions for this type of setup, taken from Jay's build log ...



The plan drawings have this quirky mechanism that slides up and down which looks more complicated than one eccentric rotating piece but I can't find clear measurements such as thickness of parts, where the eccentric hole is the arm length etc.

Did you guys all build one offs or have measurements to make from? Thanks as always for links, drawings and more pics.

Robert

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(408) 805-5450

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www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.


Re: Makes metal parts

Steve S
 

I sent you a pm. My email is chopndrag@... I don't have a minimum order and turn around is pretty quick if I have the material in stock. 


On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:24 AM, Mike via groups.io
<n7000t@...> wrote:
I haven’t. Thanks 

Mike.      200QK


On Jun 20, 2022, at 2:29 AM, Michael Dunning <dunningme@...> wrote:

Mike,

Have you heard of www.sendcutsend.com? They made my brake mounts. Only a $29 minimum order with 3 day turnaround and free 2 day shipping.

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Re: Reflexor Drawings?

Terry Crouch
 




-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Schmid <robert@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2022 2:18 am
Subject: [Q-List] Reflexor Drawings?

So I have been searching here and QHeads now for hours to find a reflexor drawings that give me dimensions for this type of setup, taken from Jay's build log ...



The plan drawings have this quirky mechanism that slides up and down which looks more complicated than one eccentric rotating piece but I can't find clear measurements such as thickness of parts, where the eccentric hole is the arm length etc.

Did you guys all build one offs or have measurements to make from? Thanks as always for links, drawings and more pics.

Robert

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(408) 805-5450

www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos
www.theflyingfriscos.com

Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane.

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