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Re: Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)

Sam Hoskins
 

Mike, it's easy. Just use two Airheart master cylinders. Here is how
I did mine:
http://samhoskins.blogspot.com/

Regards,

Sam Hoskins

On Feb 17, 2008 4:03 PM, Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...> wrote:






Paul Fisher wrote that he used dual finger brakes on his Q-200. I am
interested in that setup because:
-- gives differential braking
-- totally independent of the tail cone/tail wheel
-- a fracture there still leaves you with steering
-- simplifies rudder pedal/tail wheel construction
-- brake master cylinders are more accessible for maintenance.

I purchased the Great Plains Dual Hand Lever Master Cylinders, but they are
heavier and bulkier than I expected. (I also have the GPASC toe brake
cylinders. I need to decide soon which I am going to install.)

Questions:
What sources have people used for "Finger Brake" master cylinders?
Where do you locate them?
Any comments on cockpit ergonomics?

Thanks for any help -- Mike Perry

At 04:41 AM 2/17/2008 +0000, Paul Fisher wrote:

>Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
>(two masters cylinders).
>
>- Paul
>Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours




Re: Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

Not exactly. I used spaces to indent the fifth and sixth lines in the
first version, to show they were subsidiary concepts to the third line. In
the second version I moved those into parentheses. I forgot that Yahoo
strips out duplicate spaces.

Mike Perry

At 10:19 PM 2/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:

FYI Mike, both of your posts came out the same!

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)

Yahoo groups reformatted my post so it isn't clear. Try this version:

Paul Fisher wrote that he used dual finger brakes on his Q-200. I am
interested in that setup because:
-- gives differential braking
-- totally independent of the tail cone/tail wheel (a fracture there still
leaves you with steering, and rudder pedal/tail wheel construction is simpler)
-- brake master cylinders are more accessible for maintenance.

I purchased the Great Plains Dual Hand Lever Master Cylinders, but they are
heavier and bulkier than I expected. (I also have the GPASC toe brake
cylinders. I need to decide soon which I am going to install.)

Questions:
What sources have people used for "Finger Brake" master cylinders?
Where do you locate them?
Any comments on cockpit ergonomics?

Thanks for any help -- Mike Perry

At 04:41 AM 2/17/2008 +0000, Paul Fisher wrote:

Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
(two masters cylinders).

- Paul
Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours


Re: Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)

Paul Buckley
 

FYI Mike, both of your posts came out the same!

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)


Yahoo groups reformatted my post so it isn't clear. Try this version:

Paul Fisher wrote that he used dual finger brakes on his Q-200. I am
interested in that setup because:
-- gives differential braking
-- totally independent of the tail cone/tail wheel (a fracture there still
leaves you with steering, and rudder pedal/tail wheel construction is simpler)
-- brake master cylinders are more accessible for maintenance.

I purchased the Great Plains Dual Hand Lever Master Cylinders, but they are
heavier and bulkier than I expected. (I also have the GPASC toe brake
cylinders. I need to decide soon which I am going to install.)

Questions:
What sources have people used for "Finger Brake" master cylinders?
Where do you locate them?
Any comments on cockpit ergonomics?

Thanks for any help -- Mike Perry

>At 04:41 AM 2/17/2008 +0000, Paul Fisher wrote:
>
> >Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
> >(two masters cylinders).
> >
> >- Paul
> >Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours








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Re: Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

Yahoo groups reformatted my post so it isn't clear. Try this version:

Paul Fisher wrote that he used dual finger brakes on his Q-200. I am
interested in that setup because:
-- gives differential braking
-- totally independent of the tail cone/tail wheel (a fracture there still
leaves you with steering, and rudder pedal/tail wheel construction is simpler)
-- brake master cylinders are more accessible for maintenance.

I purchased the Great Plains Dual Hand Lever Master Cylinders, but they are
heavier and bulkier than I expected. (I also have the GPASC toe brake
cylinders. I need to decide soon which I am going to install.)

Questions:
What sources have people used for "Finger Brake" master cylinders?
Where do you locate them?
Any comments on cockpit ergonomics?

Thanks for any help -- Mike Perry

At 04:41 AM 2/17/2008 +0000, Paul Fisher wrote:

Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
(two masters cylinders).

- Paul
Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours


Finger Brakes (was nylaflow tubing)

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

Paul Fisher wrote that he used dual finger brakes on his Q-200. I am
interested in that setup because:
-- gives differential braking
-- totally independent of the tail cone/tail wheel
-- a fracture there still leaves you with steering
-- simplifies rudder pedal/tail wheel construction
-- brake master cylinders are more accessible for maintenance.

I purchased the Great Plains Dual Hand Lever Master Cylinders, but they are
heavier and bulkier than I expected. (I also have the GPASC toe brake
cylinders. I need to decide soon which I am going to install.)

Questions:
What sources have people used for "Finger Brake" master cylinders?
Where do you locate them?
Any comments on cockpit ergonomics?

Thanks for any help -- Mike Perry

At 04:41 AM 2/17/2008 +0000, Paul Fisher wrote:

Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
(two masters cylinders).

- Paul
Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours


Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

Richard Hole <rickhole@...>
 

In Velocity main gear we cover the nylaflow with plastic soda straws,
glass in place so the nylaflow is serviceable. Sorry guys I forgot that
technique.

--- In Q-LIST@..., dkeats <dkeats@...> wrote:

When I built my Dragonlfy I imbeded the nylaflow in the canard to
the
Mark 2 landing gear. After a few years and some abuse the nylaflow
cracked just where it came out of the canard. Because it was down at
the time I replaced the tube with a much larger tube and floxed it
in
place. I now slide the brake Nylaflow tubing into the larger tubing.
Easy to replace and has room top flex. Should of done it this way
from
the start. ----- Canada Chris


Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

dkeats <dkeats@...>
 

When I built my Dragonlfy I imbeded the nylaflow in the canard to the Mark 2 landing gear. After a few years and some abuse the nylaflow cracked just where it came out of the canard. Because it was down at the time I replaced the tube with a much larger tube and floxed it in place. I now slide the brake Nylaflow tubing into the larger tubing. Easy to replace and has room top flex. Should of done it this way from the start. ----- Canada Chris


Re: Nylaflow tubing poll

Richard Hole <rickhole@...>
 

Point is well taken. Un-ispectable and possibly damaged tubing, do not
reuse. Why take the needless risk.

--- In Q-LIST@..., Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...> wrote:

Experience winns, nylaflow it is, ..me no, but ok. I will not rain on
anyones parade, and there are no reason to argue with something that
have been experimented with and won.

I will humbly bow and yeald on this one.


Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

Larry Severson
 

At 04:09 PM 2/16/2008, you wrote:

Let's take a poll of long-term Q2 flyers. Has the Nylaflow brake
tubing caused difficulties due to ruptured lines, tubing blown off
fittings, abraded through, etc.
Murphy was an optimist. The question should not be who has had problems, but what would happen if you do? How are you going to repair the system that is embedded in the canard? Actually, as you assemble the plane, how are you going to repair things that go wrong? How easy will it be to take your instrument panel out to work on the instruments, OR remove the engine? QAC plans show how to build a plane that will NEVER need any work on it. Does that mean your plane won't?


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: Elevator Binding

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Hi Lynn,

Nothing helpful, just some comments...

I just had me elevators off for my condition inspection. My center pivot
pins were slightly loose but no where close to falling out or being
dangerous (my opinion). When installing my elevators (with the plane on
it's gear), the alignment of the center pin is pretty close to right on.
While reinstalling, I did have a question about lateral freeplay in the
elevator pivot assembly and found that the plans call for .05" for the GU
canard (page 10-10, item #9 on that page).

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
LJFrench
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:07 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator Binding


I would think the area you mention on the bracket would be the most
suseptable to failure and that the hinge pin would be the most likely thing
to start working loose on the elevator. It is hard for me to understand why
we have not seen more problems in this area. Maybe it is a better design
than appears on the surface. I had considered a slight vertical slot in the
backet to allow for the flexing of the elevator torque tube, but that seems
to have questions in my mind as well.

Has anyone else experienced issues in this area or seen any variations of
attachment?

LJ French


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad/Iris Baerg" <brirbrg@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator Binding


Group
I've seen one centre bracket failure (cs?). It broke at the part of the
bracket where it narrows to clear the elevator tube.
The problem was discovered on the pre-flight, so it was not known if it
occurred in flight or on the last landing.
That centre mount should definitely be on every checklist .

Brad
Tri-Q
CGTA



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Re: Experimental!

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Well said Paul!

Winds were too much for me yesterday but I got up for about an hour this
morning. Flying is sssooooo much better than building and way better than
thinking about building....

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
n17pf
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:52 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Experimental!


Well, while you Darwin Award Contestants (DACs) continue to argue
about the best way to kill yourselves, I actually went flying today!
First time in over a month! We have been averaging snow every three
days since December first. And of course we're expecting another 8-10
inches tomorrow (geez!).

But today was a good day. Took an hour to shovel the snow out from in
front of the hanger, but it was well worth it. Beautiful clear day,
snow covered ground, and great visibility! The plane performed
flawlessly. I didn't go anywhere in particular, but it was nice to
get up off the ground for a while.

To those of you who are trying to understand the bickering going on
lately, just ignore it. If you want a nice plane to fly, go with the
LS1 (thankfully you can still get spars), put an O-200 on it and build
it per plans. Some mods have been proven and are worth doing (look up
the Jim-Bob six pack). Trust me, that's the fastest way to get in the
air and you'll end up with a great machine!

For those DACs who want to re-invent the wheel and "fix" things that
aren't broken - please take a nice photo of yourself and send it to
Doug Humble. That will help him when he runs your obituary in the
newsletter.

Personally, I intend to ignore the debates and (if the weather
cooperates) just fly the plane!

Paul A. Fisher
Taylor Ridge, Illinois
Q-200 N17PF - 1335 hours in 17.5 years


Re: Avionics Help

LJFrench <LJFrench@...>
 

Barry,
Steve Roberts is the person who purchased your kit from me and he still has not picked it up. It is my guess that he may have lost interest. If so he might be willing to sell it back. Most of it is still here at my place.
Regards,
Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: "BARRY AMANDA STEARNS" <stearns2559@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:21 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Avionics Help


Greetings all. Some of you will recognize my name and some won't as I was a builder for a while and then had to sell my kit to afford changes in my life (getting married, buying a house, and having a son). Some may remember I was an Avionics Tech for 10 years and an Avionics Manager for a year here in Grand Island, Nebraska. However, I have stepped away from the post and have gone to work in another area, but would be very willing (now that I am not bound by my former employer/company) to help with an avionics questions or problem you are having. I do NOT have an A&P License (as most avionics techs that obtained their degrees in the late 90's) but would gladly do wire up for you and help with any install/tech questions you have. Emailing me is the best form of contact and if you need more info I'll gladly send you my cell phone number.

Looking forward to helping you guys out when needed and I am always looking for another kit, a Q2 w/spars!!!

Barry Stearns
Nebraska




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Re: Nylaflow tubing poll

Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
 

Experience winns, nylaflow it is, ..me no, but ok. I will not rain on anyones parade, and there are no reason to argue with something that have been experimented with and won.

I will humbly bow and yeald on this one.

However , the original question was if he could use the existing nylaflow. Coming from wire operated breakes, the old "Flintsone breakes" , and going to hydraulic brakes.

That would assume that the original lines have been previously used for a wire conduit.

Now , reusing those, I am against. If there have been a wire going back and forth in those lines, there might very well be weak spots, from the wire eating into one side or the other.


n17pf <FisherPaul@...> wrote:
Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
(two masters cylinders).

- Paul
Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours

--- In Q-LIST@..., MartinErni@... wrote:

20 years, 1060 hrs, no problems.

Earnest
Triq200





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Re: Nylaflow tubing poll

n17pf <FisherPaul@...>
 

Me too. 17.5 years on standard equipment. Independant finger brakes
(two masters cylinders).

- Paul
Q-200 N17PF 1335 hours

--- In Q-LIST@..., MartinErni@... wrote:

20 years, 1060 hrs, no problems.

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Re: VW Engine starters

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Richard,
Glad you've got your Q running. My hangar is snowed in now, but as the weather warms up (if it ever does), I'll be at the airport more and more. Contact me whenever you're ready to come down, either on this list or my cell phone (413)772-9165, and I'll be glad to show you my Q2. Dave D.

vt325xi <rlabarre@...> wrote:
Dave from Orange MA. Thanks for the information. It seems as though
there is no issue as the engine has fired right up. I posted it on
YouTube and it appears to run fine. BTW, it has the fine wire
aviation plugs and dual magnetos.

Here's the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owdAad-tp8

I would like to visit you sometime if you have an airworthy Quickie
to look it over and see what you've done on yours that we can also do
similar. I can fly down sometime. Let me know. I would be going
with my Quickie partner in my Cessna 140.

Thanks,
Richard

--- In Q-LIST@..., Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,
Is your engine a Revmaster, because if it is Revmaster is in CA
and sells any part that you need. I switched to heads with
automotive plugs, which cost about $650.00. I ran my engine with
inserts for a while but they came out when I removed the spark plug.
Does your engine have auto or aviation plugs? Where abouts in VT are
you.....I'm based in Orange MA. Good luck.......Dave Dugas

vt325xi <rlabarre@...> wrote:
I am Richard. My Q2 is in VT. I bought it last fall and
my mechanic
and I are airplane partners are working on it. He is an A&P with
Inspector authorization. He is working on repainting the plane
right
now and just got the engine back together after inpecting and
overhauling some problem areas. For example the spark plug holes
were stripped and he tapped new inserts for them. Now the mags need
to be overhauled. In the meantime he turned over the engine and
noticed it is rather slow to turn over.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Doug Humble" <hawkidoug@> wrote:

Who are you? Where are you? What brand of VW do you have and have
you contacted them? How long has it been since the engine as been
started? Is your battery in good condition? What type of starter do
you have?

I would have to say my VW starts similar to my car in "speed" and
sound when the battery is in good condition.


Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: vt325xi
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] VW Engine starters


I am working on my Q2 and found that the engine turns over rather
slowly. This is a flying plane that I am working on refurbishing.
The
current VW model starter seems to turn the engine over slow. I
have
two questions about it. One, is there another starter available
for a
direct replacement on these engines? Two, how fast is the
original
starter on these engines? Does anyone have a video if a Q2
startup
with the original starter?

Thanks.











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Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

jerry kennedy <jerrykennedy2001@...>
 

--- Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...> wrote:

No problems, original equipment 20 years.

Peter



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From: Q-LIST@...
[mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2008 10:47 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes -
advice please



No problems,
Airheart single lever.
Mike Q200 N3QP 1000+ hours

Richard Hole wrote:
Let's take a poll of long-term Q2 flyers. Has the
Nylaflow brake
tubing caused difficulties due to ruptured lines,
tubing blown off
fittings, abraded through, etc. I am fairly new to
Q2, but have seen
this same tubing used extensively in other
experimental designs
successfully in service for 20+ years. Perhaps the
old adage: "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it" may have some use here.
One caveat: I would
not use Nylaflow for a brake system which keeps
the lines pressurized
as a parking brake. The high pressure maintained
over long periods of
time just can't be all that good an idea...



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23 years with on problems. Hand brake as well as
toe brakes.

Jerry Kennedy
Q2- 214FK





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Re: Experimental!

Steve <sham@...>
 

Amen






Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: n17pf
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Experimental!


Well, while you Darwin Award Contestants (DACs) continue to argue
about the best way to kill yourselves, I actually went flying today!
First time in over a month! We have been averaging snow every three
days since December first. And of course we're expecting another 8-10
inches tomorrow (geez!).

But today was a good day. Took an hour to shovel the snow out from in
front of the hanger, but it was well worth it. Beautiful clear day,
snow covered ground, and great visibility! The plane performed
flawlessly. I didn't go anywhere in particular, but it was nice to
get up off the ground for a while.

To those of you who are trying to understand the bickering going on
lately, just ignore it. If you want a nice plane to fly, go with the
LS1 (thankfully you can still get spars), put an O-200 on it and build
it per plans. Some mods have been proven and are worth doing (look up
the Jim-Bob six pack). Trust me, that's the fastest way to get in the
air and you'll end up with a great machine!

For those DACs who want to re-invent the wheel and "fix" things that
aren't broken - please take a nice photo of yourself and send it to
Doug Humble. That will help him when he runs your obituary in the
newsletter.

Personally, I intend to ignore the debates and (if the weather
cooperates) just fly the plane!

Paul A. Fisher
Taylor Ridge, Illinois
Q-200 N17PF - 1335 hours in 17.5 years


Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

No problems, original equipment 20 years.

Peter



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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Mike Dwyer
Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2008 10:47 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please



No problems,
Airheart single lever.
Mike Q200 N3QP 1000+ hours

Richard Hole wrote:

Let's take a poll of long-term Q2 flyers. Has the Nylaflow brake
tubing caused difficulties due to ruptured lines, tubing blown off
fittings, abraded through, etc. I am fairly new to Q2, but have seen
this same tubing used extensively in other experimental designs
successfully in service for 20+ years. Perhaps the old adage: "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it" may have some use here. One caveat: I would
not use Nylaflow for a brake system which keeps the lines pressurized
as a parking brake. The high pressure maintained over long periods of
time just can't be all that good an idea...



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Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
 

No problems,
Airheart single lever.
Mike Q200 N3QP 1000+ hours


Richard Hole wrote:

Let's take a poll of long-term Q2 flyers. Has the Nylaflow brake tubing caused difficulties due to ruptured lines, tubing blown off fittings, abraded through, etc. I am fairly new to Q2, but have seen this same tubing used extensively in other experimental designs successfully in service for 20+ years. Perhaps the old adage: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" may have some use here. One caveat: I would not use Nylaflow for a brake system which keeps the lines pressurized as a parking brake. The high pressure maintained over long periods of time just can't be all that good an idea...



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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links





Re: Q1 Hydraulic Brakes - advice please

Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

No problems.
Q2 with original single lever hand Airheart brakes.
900+ hours

Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

Richard Hole <rickhole@...> wrote: Let's take a poll of long-term Q2 flyers. Has the Nylaflow brake
tubing caused difficulties due to ruptured lines, tubing blown off
fittings, abraded through, etc. I am fairly new to Q2, but have seen
this same tubing used extensively in other experimental designs
successfully in service for 20+ years. Perhaps the old adage: "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it" may have some use here. One caveat: I would
not use Nylaflow for a brake system which keeps the lines pressurized
as a parking brake. The high pressure maintained over long periods of
time just can't be all that good an idea...






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