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Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

Just seemed to be a distinction w/o a differentce.

----- Original Message -----
From: JohntenHave
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo


Pedantry.

Why do you ask?

John

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Mark A. Pearson" <wlkabout@...> wrote:
>
> what is the difference between a "tail spring" and a "tailspring"???
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JohntenHave
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:04 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Attribution error by Jim Patillo
>
>
> Jim,
>
> For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
> pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
> Harris and I.
>
> I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.
>
> I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
> Peter Harris did either.
>
> Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
> suspect Peter would have the same request.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Gas struts for forward hinging canopy

Bruce Crain
 

I think my struts are 80 lbs a piece.
Bruce




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Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo

John ten
 

Pedantry.

Why do you ask?

John

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Mark A. Pearson" <wlkabout@...> wrote:

what is the difference between a "tail spring" and a "tailspring"???


----- Original Message -----
From: JohntenHave
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Attribution error by Jim Patillo


Jim,

For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
Harris and I.

I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.

I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
Peter Harris did either.

Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
suspect Peter would have the same request.

Thanks

John






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo

John ten
 

Sam,

what the ...indeed!

(Peter, stick your fingers in your ears, ummm, eyes...?)

You will like Peter. He is thoughtful, situationally aware, mature,
modest and engineeringly savvy. Most importantly he knows enough to
recognise when and what he does not know. He admits his rare errors
willingly (one clear sign of a professional).

He thinks things through, understands the full consequences of his
actions and is refreshingly free of behaviors which are at odds with
social acceptability, common sense or wisdom. He is open minded and
highly experimental but he does not break all the rules and and then
substitute volume of self generated adulation for attitude adjustment.
He is also very good company.

His ego has miraculously survived intact, thus far, without being
surrounded with "a conga-line of sycophantic suck holes" (with
apologies to Mark Latham)

To the best of my knowledge he also flies with both hands on the
aircraft controls at all times...

Regards

John

(Iconoclast)

(P.S. Peter, you may remove your fingers...;-))

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

What the?

I checked out the photos. Jim has indeed posted a couple photos of my
installation. Ugly aren't they? That's why I'm not in any danger of
winning a workmanship award.

A lot of the cracks seen are from me using the wrong filler (polyester
instead of epoxy) 22 years ago. Seemed like a good idea at the time,
but was a big mistake.

I guess that is the tenHave/Harris spring, not really enough in the
photo to tell which iteration is shown. I am pretty happy with the
spring and it has survived some solid landings. Definitely better
than the stock spring that I had before.

My tail wheel works. Jim Patillo's tail wheel works.

And for the record, I consider both Jim Patillo and John tenHave to be
friends of mine. (I haven't met Peter in person, yet).

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL


--- In Q-LIST@..., "JohntenHave" <johntenhave@> wrote:

Jim,

For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
Harris and I.

I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.

I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
Peter Harris did either.

Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
suspect Peter would have the same request.

Thanks

John


Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

what is the difference between a "tail spring" and a "tailspring"???

----- Original Message -----
From: JohntenHave
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Attribution error by Jim Patillo


Jim,

For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
Harris and I.

I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.

I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
Peter Harris did either.

Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
suspect Peter would have the same request.

Thanks

John


Gas struts for forward hinging canopy

Kevin Sheely
 

Does anyone know what poundage the struts are or needs to be? I just
bought a pair at 45 pounds and these are marginal.

Kevin


Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo

Sam Hoskins
 

What the?

I checked out the photos. Jim has indeed posted a couple photos of my
installation. Ugly aren't they? That's why I'm not in any danger of
winning a workmanship award.

A lot of the cracks seen are from me using the wrong filler (polyester
instead of epoxy) 22 years ago. Seemed like a good idea at the time,
but was a big mistake.

I guess that is the tenHave/Harris spring, not really enough in the
photo to tell which iteration is shown. I am pretty happy with the
spring and it has survived some solid landings. Definitely better
than the stock spring that I had before.

My tail wheel works. Jim Patillo's tail wheel works.

And for the record, I consider both Jim Patillo and John tenHave to be
friends of mine. (I haven't met Peter in person, yet).

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL

--- In Q-LIST@..., "JohntenHave" <johntenhave@...> wrote:

Jim,

For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
Harris and I.

I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.

I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
Peter Harris did either.

Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
suspect Peter would have the same request.

Thanks

John


Re: Attribution error by Jim Patillo

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Jim

Are you trying to discredit John and I ? Why so?

Please remove my name from your post also.

Peter H





_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
JohntenHave
Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2007 9:05 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Attribution error by Jim Patillo



Jim,

For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
Harris and I.

I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.

I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
Peter Harris did either.

Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
suspect Peter would have the same request.

Thanks

John


Attribution error by Jim Patillo

John ten
 

Jim,

For reasons best known to yourself you have incorrectly and
pointlessly attributed some photos on this web site to both Peter
Harris and I.

I designed a tail spring For Peter and a tailspring for Sam Hoskins.

I did not design nor conduct the installation you depict and I doubt
Peter Harris did either.

Please get your facts straight and remove my name from the photos. I
suspect Peter would have the same request.

Thanks

John


Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Doug layers of UNI were added at that location extending about 8" from the
top surface of the spar/canard and up the outside of the hull to strengthen
against compression at that location.

Details should be found in the latest issue of plans.

Peter



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Doug Humble
Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2007 5:14 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: LS1 repair//HELP



Jim P. - Have Reg send you the photos of his damage. It is on the out side
of the fuselage and his spar may or may not be damaged. Thanks for helping
him!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Reg,

I posted in the archives in 2003 about a total failure of my LS1
canard and carbon spar just under the passenger leg compartment.
Pictures are listed in teh files section. The repair has been place
since then. The plane has been loaded to 1325 lbs. many times for
trips. I can help. My phone is 510-468-4891.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com, Reginald
Clarke <airryder@...> wrote:

Hello Doug
yes I have the LS1,I will waite for your reply
Reg Clarke wounded Q2/N624JC.EH !


On 10-Oct-07, at 6:26 AM, Doug Humble wrote:

Reg - I have looked at your photos & I believe you have an LS1
canard.
We must make sure that is what you have first before we begin
with
repair advice. Look at you canard inside the cockpit. Can you see
the
round spars or a more squared off section?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: Reginald Clarke
To: Q2 BUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] LS1 repair//HELP

I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked at
plans
off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the lay-
up the
same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright
direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The top
skin
was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it
didn't
really sit any different.

Thankyou in advance

Reg Clarke
wounded Q2/N624JC




Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Jim Patillo
 

No problem Doug, just waiting for Reg to call or e-mail me. I have a
couple of suggestions regarding layups that might help him. The
repair should be quite easy.

JP

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Doug Humble" <hawkidoug@...> wrote:

Jim P. - Have Reg send you the photos of his damage. It is on the
out side of the fuselage and his spar may or may not be damaged.
Thanks for helping him!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: LS1 repair//HELP



Reg,

I posted in the archives in 2003 about a total failure of my LS1
canard and carbon spar just under the passenger leg compartment.
Pictures are listed in teh files section. The repair has been
place
since then. The plane has been loaded to 1325 lbs. many times for
trips. I can help. My phone is 510-468-4891.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., Reginald Clarke <airryder@> wrote:
>
> Hello Doug
> yes I have the LS1,I will waite for your reply
> Reg Clarke wounded Q2/N624JC.EH !
>
>
> On 10-Oct-07, at 6:26 AM, Doug Humble wrote:
>
> > Reg - I have looked at your photos & I believe you have an
LS1
canard.
> > We must make sure that is what you have first before we begin
with
> > repair advice. Look at you canard inside the cockpit. Can you
see
the
> > round spars or a more squared off section?
> >
> > Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
> > A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
> > Omaha NE
> > N25974
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reginald Clarke
> > To: Q2 BUILDERS
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:51 PM
> > Subject: [Q-LIST] LS1 repair//HELP
> >
> > I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked
at
plans
> > off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the
lay-
up the
> > same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright
> > direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The
top
skin
> > was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it
didn't
> > really sit any different.
> >
> > Thankyou in advance
> >
> > Reg Clarke
> > wounded Q2/N624JC
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>







Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Jim P. - Have Reg send you the photos of his damage. It is on the out side of the fuselage and his spar may or may not be damaged. Thanks for helping him!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: LS1 repair//HELP



Reg,

I posted in the archives in 2003 about a total failure of my LS1
canard and carbon spar just under the passenger leg compartment.
Pictures are listed in teh files section. The repair has been place
since then. The plane has been loaded to 1325 lbs. many times for
trips. I can help. My phone is 510-468-4891.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., Reginald Clarke <airryder@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Doug
> yes I have the LS1,I will waite for your reply
> Reg Clarke wounded Q2/N624JC.EH !
>
>
> On 10-Oct-07, at 6:26 AM, Doug Humble wrote:
>
> > Reg - I have looked at your photos & I believe you have an LS1
canard.
> > We must make sure that is what you have first before we begin
with
> > repair advice. Look at you canard inside the cockpit. Can you see
the
> > round spars or a more squared off section?
> >
> > Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
> > A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
> > Omaha NE
> > N25974
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reginald Clarke
> > To: Q2 BUILDERS
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:51 PM
> > Subject: [Q-LIST] LS1 repair//HELP
> >
> > I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked at
plans
> > off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the lay-
up the
> > same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright
> > direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The top
skin
> > was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it
didn't
> > really sit any different.
> >
> > Thankyou in advance
> >
> > Reg Clarke
> > wounded Q2/N624JC
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Jim Patillo
 

Reg,

I posted in the archives in 2003 about a total failure of my LS1
canard and carbon spar just under the passenger leg compartment.
Pictures are listed in teh files section. The repair has been place
since then. The plane has been loaded to 1325 lbs. many times for
trips. I can help. My phone is 510-468-4891.

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200


--- In Q-LIST@..., Reginald Clarke <airryder@...> wrote:

Hello Doug
yes I have the LS1,I will waite for your reply
Reg Clarke wounded Q2/N624JC.EH !


On 10-Oct-07, at 6:26 AM, Doug Humble wrote:

Reg - I have looked at your photos & I believe you have an LS1
canard.
We must make sure that is what you have first before we begin
with
repair advice. Look at you canard inside the cockpit. Can you see
the
round spars or a more squared off section?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: Reginald Clarke
To: Q2 BUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] LS1 repair//HELP

I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked at
plans
off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the lay-
up the
same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright
direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The top
skin
was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it
didn't
really sit any different.

Thankyou in advance

Reg Clarke
wounded Q2/N624JC




Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Reginald Clarke <airryder@...>
 

Hello Doug
yes I have the LS1,I will waite for your reply
Reg Clarke wounded Q2/N624JC.EH !

On 10-Oct-07, at 6:26 AM, Doug Humble wrote:

Reg - I have looked at your photos & I believe you have an LS1 canard. We must make sure that is what you have first before we begin with repair advice. Look at you canard inside the cockpit. Can you see the round spars or a more squared off section?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: Reginald Clarke
To: Q2 BUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] LS1 repair//HELP

I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked at plans
off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the lay-up the
same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright
direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The top skin
was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it didn't
really sit any different.

Thankyou in advance

Reg Clarke
wounded Q2/N624JC



Spring Flyng

Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
 

I looks like the Spring Flyng has a date.
May 2,3,4, 2008. Iowa City IA,
The details will follow, but it appears that the hanger is still
standing and may be next spring.
So get the calendars marked, make no other plans, and have your ass
there.

Kevin Boddicker
Tri Q 200 N7868B 76 hours
Luana, IA.


Re: LS1 repair//HELP

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Reg - I have looked at your photos & I believe you have an LS1 canard. We must make sure that is what you have first before we begin with repair advice. Look at you canard inside the cockpit. Can you see the round spars or a more squared off section?

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: Reginald Clarke
To: Q2 BUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] LS1 repair//HELP


I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked at plans
off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the lay-up the
same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright
direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The top skin
was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it didn't
really sit any different.

Thankyou in advance

Reg Clarke
wounded Q2/N624JC


Q2 For sale Trademe NZ

Kerri & Mark <ksm@...>
 

List

If any body is interested there is a Q2 listed for sale here in NZ. It's been listed before....
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Aircraft/auction-121988966.htm

Mark Fitz
Q1 NZ (getting there)


Re: Air Vent Holes

Ron Weiss <ronweiss4@...>
 

-Thanks Guy's, I appreciate your responses. Time to whip out the
saw!!!! Ron-- In Q-LIST@..., "Jon Finley" <jon@...> wrote:

Ron,

A number of years ago, several of us had the pleasure of listening
to Gary
Hertzler perform an efficiency review of Bob Farnam's Q200. If
memory
serves, he stated that the vent holes would cause less drag if
moved aft and
to the bottom of the tailcone. I believe the argument was less
wetted area
for the vented air to effect. I do not know how well the vent
would work in
that location on a Q2. However; I did use that location in my Q1
and it
worked fine but I never tried any other location so have nothing to
compare
it to.

I guess the best answer depends on your objective. Under the wing
is easy
and works but probably not the best for low drag.

Jon
P.S. My Q2 vents are under the wing and work.



-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
Ron Weiss
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:45 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Air Vent Holes


Hey Guy's, I'm a little confused about the venting holes required to
ventilate the cockpit. Why are most Quickies I see have holes
drilled
under the wing in a high pressure area and mostly isolated from the
cockpit/ passenger compartment? Very little air can flow to that
part
of the fuselage when the seatbacks are in place and the control
channel
is closed off. Not to mention that very little air, if any, can
escape
through such a high pressure area under the wing.
Jim Patillo has his on top of the fuselage where air can easily
flow
through the upper wing compartment and out of the airplane. I
haven't
drilled holes yet, but , under the wing is far easier to deal with
than
on top of the fuselage. Any thoughts gentleman???? Ron

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Re: Air Vent Holes

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Ron,

A number of years ago, several of us had the pleasure of listening to Gary
Hertzler perform an efficiency review of Bob Farnam's Q200. If memory
serves, he stated that the vent holes would cause less drag if moved aft and
to the bottom of the tailcone. I believe the argument was less wetted area
for the vented air to effect. I do not know how well the vent would work in
that location on a Q2. However; I did use that location in my Q1 and it
worked fine but I never tried any other location so have nothing to compare
it to.

I guess the best answer depends on your objective. Under the wing is easy
and works but probably not the best for low drag.

Jon
P.S. My Q2 vents are under the wing and work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Ron Weiss
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:45 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Air Vent Holes


Hey Guy's, I'm a little confused about the venting holes required to
ventilate the cockpit. Why are most Quickies I see have holes drilled
under the wing in a high pressure area and mostly isolated from the
cockpit/ passenger compartment? Very little air can flow to that part
of the fuselage when the seatbacks are in place and the control channel
is closed off. Not to mention that very little air, if any, can escape
through such a high pressure area under the wing.
Jim Patillo has his on top of the fuselage where air can easily flow
through the upper wing compartment and out of the airplane. I haven't
drilled holes yet, but , under the wing is far easier to deal with than
on top of the fuselage. Any thoughts gentleman???? Ron

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LS1 repair//HELP

Reginald Clarke <airryder@...>
 

I have a LS1 to repair on top close to fusalage.I have looked at plans off org web sight and presume the canard is the GU ,,is the lay-up the same or is repair different If someone can point me in wright direction for the repair I would greatly appreciate it. The top skin was wrinkled up into small ve but airplane with weight on it didn't really sit any different.

Thankyou in advance

Reg Clarke
wounded Q2/N624JC